Bingo for me at least.

 

I had the Vista "Calculating" hang on a brand new Vista machine. As

soon as I took an old, probably crappy D-Link Switch out of the path

from the Vista machine to my network server, boom - problem

disappeared.

 

Me thinks Vista get somehow confused by the D-link switch.

In my case, the "calculating" hang is some kind of bug in Explorer

under certain hardware scenarios. Once I removed an old D-link Switch

from the path from my Vista machine to a network share, the

calculating hang disppeared. I'd assume that there is a bug in the

"calculating feature" (which users should be allowed to turn off) that

causes it to hang when IP'ing through certain old networking devices.

Lousy programming and lousy testing by Microsoft.

RobertSeattle wrote:

> In my case, the "calculating" hang is some kind of bug in Explorer

> under certain hardware scenarios. Once I removed an old D-link Switch

> from the path from my Vista machine to a network share, the

> calculating hang disppeared. I'd assume that there is a bug in the

> "calculating feature" (which users should be allowed to turn off) that

> causes it to hang when IP'ing through certain old networking devices.

> Lousy programming and lousy testing by Microsoft.

>

 

Funny, I previously suggested checking all of the LAN/WAN hardware to

one person an got slammed for doing so.

Go figure?

Frank

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:21:46 -0700, RobertSeattle

<r2715seattle@gmail.com> wrote:

>In my case, the "calculating" hang is some kind of bug in Explorer

>under certain hardware scenarios. Once I removed an old D-link Switch

>from the path from my Vista machine to a network share, the

>calculating hang disppeared. I'd assume that there is a bug in the

>"calculating feature" (which users should be allowed to turn off) that

>causes it to hang when IP'ing through certain old networking devices.

>Lousy programming and lousy testing by Microsoft.

 

Probably just one of several things wrong. Before I made the changes I

mentioned in other threads I got the calculating time hang just

transferring files between different hard drives internally in the

same box. No network involved.

 

You know Microsoft screwed something up if when you try to delete a

single file it can take ten seconds to thirty or more. Doing the same

thing from a shell like Directory Opus you can delete GB's worth of

files and it is almost instant.

 

Of course idiots like Frank will stand on a stack of bibles and curse

anybody that said Vista is broke.

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> Of course idiots like Frank will stand on a stack of bibles and curse

> anybody that said Vista is broke.

>

 

Can't control your rage over me kick your dumb arse all over this ng can

you, you stupid moron!

Never said some things in Vista aren't broken, they're just aren't

consistently broken and obviously you don't have the computer acumen to

figure out how to fix them or do workarounds.

You have one big stupid mouth and your pointy head shoved all the way up

your arse.

Give it up bozo as you'll never be smarter than most people.

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

 

 

> You know Microsoft screwed something up if when you try to delete a

> single file it can take ten seconds to thirty or more.

 

Which would very occasionally be useful when you have one of those "Oh

Sh*t" moments and realize that file was the wrong one - except that as

slow as it goes you still can't stop it :)

--

Ian

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:j8nca31e7ra415rgp6ks0jucr2s5sr1cs5@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:21:46 -0700, RobertSeattle

> <r2715seattle@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>In my case, the "calculating" hang is some kind of bug in Explorer

>>under certain hardware scenarios. Once I removed an old D-link Switch

>>from the path from my Vista machine to a network share, the

>>calculating hang disppeared. I'd assume that there is a bug in the

>>"calculating feature" (which users should be allowed to turn off) that

>>causes it to hang when IP'ing through certain old networking devices.

>>Lousy programming and lousy testing by Microsoft.

>

> Probably just one of several things wrong. Before I made the changes I

> mentioned in other threads I got the calculating time hang just

> transferring files between different hard drives internally in the

> same box. No network involved.

>

> You know Microsoft screwed something up if when you try to delete a

> single file it can take ten seconds to thirty or more. Doing the same

> thing from a shell like Directory Opus you can delete GB's worth of

> files and it is almost instant.

>

> Of course idiots like Frank will stand on a stack of bibles and curse

> anybody that said Vista is broke.

>

>

--

Ian

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:21:46 -0700, RobertSeattle

> <r2715seattle@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>In my case, the "calculating" hang is some kind of bug in Explorer

>>under certain hardware scenarios. Once I removed an old D-link Switch

>>from the path from my Vista machine to a network share, the

>>calculating hang disppeared. I'd assume that there is a bug in the

>>"calculating feature" (which users should be allowed to turn off) that

>>causes it to hang when IP'ing through certain old networking devices.

>>Lousy programming and lousy testing by Microsoft.

>

> Probably just one of several things wrong. Before I made the changes I

> mentioned in other threads I got the calculating time hang just

> transferring files between different hard drives internally in the

> same box. No network involved.

>

> You know Microsoft screwed something up if when you try to delete a

> single file it can take ten seconds to thirty or more. Doing the same

> thing from a shell like Directory Opus you can delete GB's worth of

> files and it is almost instant.

>

> Of course idiots like Frank will stand on a stack of bibles and curse

> anybody that said Vista is broke.

>

>You either run a useless set up or are just mouthing off again. I can do it

>in seconds across networks or HDs.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:17:29 -0500, Adam Albright wrote:

>On Tue, RobertSeattle wrote:

>>In my case, the "calculating" hang is some kind of bug in Explorer

>>under certain hardware scenarios. Once I removed an old D-link Switch

>>from the path from my Vista machine to a network share, the

>>calculating hang disppeared. I'd assume that there is a bug in the

>>"calculating feature" (which users should be allowed to turn off) that

>>causes it to hang when IP'ing through certain old networking devices.

>>Lousy programming and lousy testing by Microsoft.

 

This sounds a bit like a thread in one of the TechNet forums - are you

from there, too? That was about this issue, and someone was pondering

about RPC as a possible factor. I suggested this state chart:

 

Local PC Network Shares

Explorer.exe A B

Cmd.exe C D

 

On the face of it, you'd expect network issues to make B and D slow,

whereas Explorer issues would be expected to make A and B slow.

 

But a slow network connection might make A and B slow while leaving C

and D fast, if the effect is mediated through Explorer fiddling with

the namespace and thus inappropriately traversing the slow network

connection as part of that namespace fiddling.

 

So I'd try things like keeping the network switch but dumping any

shortcuts, letter mappings or shell folder redirects to the network,

and see whether that speeds things up.

>Probably just one of several things wrong. Before I made the changes I

>mentioned in other threads I got the calculating time hang just

>transferring files between different hard drives internally in the

>same box. No network involved.

 

A namespace overhead could have that effect. I suspect there are

basic scalability issues here, and/or an unawareness of the impact of

"slow" or "expensive" devices. More in the TechNet thread on that.

>You know Microsoft screwed something up if when you try to delete a

>single file it can take ten seconds to thirty or more. Doing the same

>thing from a shell like Directory Opus you can delete GB's worth of

>files and it is almost instant.

 

Yup. See...

 

http://cquirke.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!C7DAB1E724AB8C23!288.entry

>Of course idiots like Frank will ...

 

....bore us to tears and initiate a barrage of no-content emo-posts

that will cause me to Ignore the rest of this thread.

 

So, please don't invoke the F or A names -)

 

 

>--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -

To one who only has a hammer,

everything looks like a nail

>--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:l2af93t35c1jqn0satd891jj96v4fohbn2@4ax.com...

>> It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen

>> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to

>> useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and

>> said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing

>> it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think

>> it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete

>> files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And

>> wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come

>> back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on

>> Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not

>> responding, Explorer needs to close message.

 

What's the crash information for that failure?

http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket

 

That sounds like a hang bucket, of course, which are generally ten times the

nuisance to diagnose, but if there is a problem there I do generally work

with the right people to sort that type of thing out.

 

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> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:dc2g939gba9o0ea6e4ok8i6spfkep4roue@4ax.com...

>> When Microsoft first introduced it

>> Media Player was a no frills little applet that didn't do anything but

>> play media files. Now it has a lot of bells and whistles but often

>> crashes trying to do it's main function... play media files.

 

What's the crash information for the above referenced crashes?

http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket

 

We both can agree that it shouldn't be crashing. Given crash information,

it should be possible to either fix you up or get it On The List.

 

--

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:25:04 -0700, "zachd [MSFT]"

<zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>> news:dc2g939gba9o0ea6e4ok8i6spfkep4roue@4ax.com...

>>> When Microsoft first introduced it

>>> Media Player was a no frills little applet that didn't do anything but

>>> play media files. Now it has a lot of bells and whistles but often

>>> crashes trying to do it's main function... play media files.

>

>What's the crash information for the above referenced crashes?

> http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket

 

You ask me weeks later?

>

>We both can agree that it shouldn't be crashing. Given crash information,

>it should be possible to either fix you up or get it On The List.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:25:04 -0700, "zachd [MSFT]"

> <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>> news:dc2g939gba9o0ea6e4ok8i6spfkep4roue@4ax.com...

>>>> When Microsoft first introduced it

>>>> Media Player was a no frills little applet that didn't do anything but

>>>> play media files. Now it has a lot of bells and whistles but often

>>>> crashes trying to do it's main function... play media files.

>>What's the crash information for the above referenced crashes?

>> http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket

> You ask me weeks later?

 

I've been out of the country without network access.

 

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