Lang Murphy wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:uqVRGCkxHHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> I too am Mensa,

>>

>> Hahahahahaha! Now *that's* funny!

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> Jealous? Gee... not surprising.

>

> Lang

 

Why should I be jealous of some boor like Frank who lies about his

intelligence and who can only express himself with third grade clichés?

 

Alias

GO wrote:

> Dell and HP don't have any options for XP. Well, Dell does but only for a

> select few of their high-end machines. There's always exceptions (eg local

> computer shops) but the bulk of computers are not purchased there. So for

> your average consumer there's not really a whole lot of choice.

 

That might be true in BushLand but over here in the civilized world, the

two largest computer chains will build a computer for you with Vista

(only if you insist), XP or Linux. Both will give you a real copy of the

OS, not some hidden partition or an ad-ware choked "recovery" disc.

 

Alias

>

>

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> "Want XP? Too bad, not an option."

>> Look again.

>> Some if not all the major OEMs sell computers with Windows XP.

>> You can also go to a local shop and have a computer built to your

>> specs including Windows XP.

>> This is not new for Window Vista.

>> After Windows XP was released nearly six years ago, you could the

>> previous operating system for quite a while.

>>

>> "but then you end up paying MS twice."

>> Not necessary since windows XP is still available.

>>

>>

>> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message

>> news:%23CZVYnnxHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> That's not necessarily true, especially in the case of Vista. If

>>> you go to

>>> buy a computer today, what's preinstalled? Vista. Want XP? Too

>>> bad, not

>>> an option. Yeah, you can go buy a copy (if you can find one) but

>>> then you

>>> end up paying MS twice.

>

>

Frank wrote:

You have no business here unless you have a legitimate

> install of Vista.

 

1. You're not the moderator.

 

2. What about people who are considering Vista?

 

3. What about people who can offer a viable alternative to the

intrusive, DRM riddled public BETA called Vista?

 

4. You're not the moderator.

 

Alias

Couldn't you guys just start another whole group called

Microsoft.public.windows.vista.flamefrank or

Microsoft.public.windows.vista.frank.v.theworld or something and do your

name calling and pro and anti MS propaganda there instead? :)

Alias and people like him do not want to do the sensible thing, they are

trolls who just want to cause trouble and arguments

 

 

 

--

Ian

 

"Greg" <greg.munro@bigpond.com> wrote in message

news:ull5EUtxHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Couldn't you guys just start another whole group called

> Microsoft.public.windows.vista.flamefrank or

> Microsoft.public.windows.vista.frank.v.theworld or something and do your

> name calling and pro and anti MS propaganda there instead? :)

>

What do you call people who are here just to push Linux and condemn Vista

with not other purpose than to argue and disrupt. Troll is apt.

 

 

 

--

Ian

 

"GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message

news:u3We$FqxHHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Frank wrote:

>> GO wrote:

>>

>>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:19:36 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That's fine. But, just because things are working on your

>>>>>>> machines does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the

>>>>>>> users idiots who are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows.

>>>>>>> Even Richard Urban admits Explorer blows.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> -Michael

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing

>>>>>> hardware. Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>> Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> -Michael

>>>>

>>>> I think Frank has this big bowl and in it there's a bunch of answers

>>>> written on little scraps of paper. Frankie just reaches in the bowl

>>>> without looking, pulls one out and says here, do this.

>>>

>>>

>>> Damn Adam!! You're killing me!! Priceless!!! LOL

>>>

>>>

>> Oh, that's a real good one. Adam is the one with the problem, not me!

>> And you go following him around like some kind of a little puppy dog

>> licking his boots at every stop.

>> Now you two look like a couple of goof ball morons (oh, I forgot he's

>> genius who can't fix his own computer!) trying to cover up your

>> ignorance. Brilliant!!!

>> ROTFLMAO!!!

>> Frank

>

> I'm not following him around like a puppy, but is there a problem if I

> did?

> Puppies are cute. I have been following him on this thread though, but

> just

> for the sheer entertainment value. It also just happens that I agree with

> him. You and the other MS drones are not very objective. You start

> pouncing on people calling them trolls and other childish names when they

> come with legitimate problems.

>

>

>

* Frank:

> MICHAEL wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>>> does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>>>> are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban admits

>>>> Explorer blows.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -Michael

>>> You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>>> Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>> Frank

>>

>> Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>

>>

>> -Michael

>

> Careful there Michael, I too don't need to be insulted.

 

I haven't insulted you, yet.

> If you don't know what is causing the problem, then you don't know what

> is not causing the problem.

 

Give me a break. I've looked at this problem from *all* angles,

and I have tried numerous things. There is a problem with Windows

Explorer... it is that simple.

 

During 2006, I and others mentioned Explorer's miserable performance

many times. Shortly after RTM last November, when it was crystal clear

the problems had not been fixed, I mostly stopped complaining about it

and moved on... I started using a much better file manager.

 

Windows Explorer's various performance problems are so widely

known, I can't believe you brush it aside like you do. Your inability

to admit that Vista has some problems, really taints anything you

have to say.... almost to the point of irrelevancy. You really aren't

any different than Alias.... one-sided and blind-sided points of view.

Either open your eyes, or shut your mouth. You're starting to look

really foolish and that's a shame.... I sort of liked you.

> I proly been trouble shooting electronics gear longer than you've been

> alive.

 

Being old and experienced doesn't impress me, and it certainly doesn't

make you right. As smart as you claim to be, it might do you some good

to study the difference between subjectivity and objectivity, and learn

that you often fail at applying the latter. Of course, that is often the case

of those who claim superiority just by being older and supposedly more

experienced.... they dropped off objectivity at some exit sign decades ago.

 

 

-Michael

* Frank:

> GO wrote:

>

>

>> I have been following him on this thread though, but just

>> for the sheer entertainment value.

>

> Yeah, I guess it is fun watching a genius make a fool out of himself. I

> guess although I really think he's rather pathetic...good for a laugh

> though...I guess....

>

> It also just happens that I agree with

>> him.

>

> You agree that he's too stupid to fix his one and only computer and I've

> 9 of them, all built in house that don't have any Vista related

> problems. He's like, your "leader" huh?

> Good choice...hah.

>

>

> You and the other MS drones are not very objective. You start

>> pouncing on people calling them trolls and other childish names when they

>> come with legitimate problems.

>>

>

> No and that's a lie and you know it. You're one of the linux fanatics

> who inhabit this group for nefarious reasons and I give no quarter to

> people like you.

 

I am certainly no Linux fanatic, and I will give credit to Microsoft

or brag on one of their products when I think they deserve it.

I will also loud them out when they deserve it.

 

You just seem to take it like some wretched little minion.

> You have no business here unless you have a legitimate

> install of Vista.

 

That's not your decision to make.

> Adam, georgie boy, mr genius, has a bad habit of opening his postings

> with an insult, then slams MS and then labels the op as an idiot. He

> also stalks a couple of MVP's for no apparent reason.

 

Adam does get carried away from time to time, but your continuous

back and forth with him and Alias is just as obnoxious and useless

as you claim them to be.

> I've currently got some spare time, so I'm "tracking" him and not

> letting him get by with his usual antics.

 

Get a life. Do you have any idea how pathetic your sentence

above sounds? Quite pathetic... really.

> He doesn't like it, but I do!

 

Obviously. Is your life that boring?

> If you don't like it, too bad!

 

No different than what Alias usually says.

You guys feed off one another, and deep down,

enjoy all this way too much. I don't think that's

a good thing.

 

If you ever need to talk, email me.

 

 

-Michael

This is what is known as a TROLL.

In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts

derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an

established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait

users into responding.[1] They may also plant images and data on networks

that others may find disturbing (usually indirectly relating to the

individual in person)[citation needed] in order to cause confrontation.

 

You and Alias are obviously of the same ilk.

 

 

 

 

--

Ian

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:4l8j93tv52dneb5s3n9q07lmf7me522o7u@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:19:36 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

> wrote:

>

>>Frank wrote:

>>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>>> does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>>>> are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban

>>>> admits

>>>> Explorer blows.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -Michael

>>>

>>> You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>>> Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>> Frank

>>

>>Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>

>>

>>-Michael

>

> I think Frank has this big bowl and in it there's a bunch of answers

> written on little scraps of paper. Frankie just reaches in the bowl

> without looking, pulls one out and says here, do this.

>

>

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:02:58 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>MICHAEL wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>>MICHAEL wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>>>does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>>>>are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban admits

>>>>Explorer blows.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>-Michael

>>>

>>>You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>>>Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>>Frank

>>

>>

>> Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>

>>

>> -Michael

>

>Careful there Michael, I too don't need to be insulted.

 

Oh? You insult somebody in nearly every thread you post to.

>If you don't know what is causing the problem, then you don't know what

>is not causing the problem.

>I proly been trouble shooting electronics gear longer than you've been

>alive.

>Frank

 

And have learned absolutely nothing based on the crap you've posted.

Just another Frankie post claiming mine is bigger than yours.

 

ROTFLMAO!

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:51:05 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>GO wrote:

>

>

>> I have been following him on this thread though, but just

>> for the sheer entertainment value.

>

>Yeah, I guess it is fun watching a genius make a fool out of himself. I

>guess although I really think he's rather pathetic...good for a laugh

>though...I guess....

>

> It also just happens that I agree with

>> him.

>

>You agree that he's too stupid to fix his one and only computer and I've

>9 of them, all built in house that don't have any Vista related

>problems. He's like, your "leader" huh?

>Good choice...hah.

>

>

> You and the other MS drones are not very objective. You start

>> pouncing on people calling them trolls and other childish names when they

>> come with legitimate problems.

>>

>

>No and that's a lie and you know it. You're one of the linux fanatics

>who inhabit this group for nefarious reasons and I give no quarter to

>people like you. You have no business here unless you have a legitimate

>install of Vista.

>

>Adam, georgie boy, mr genius, has a bad habit of opening his postings

>with an insult, then slams MS and then labels the op as an idiot. He

>also stalks a couple of MVP's for no apparent reason.

>I've currently got some spare time, so I'm "tracking" him and not

>letting him get by with his usual antics. He doesn't like it, but I do!

>If you don't like it, too bad!

>Frank

>>

 

You're a full time idiot Frankie. Everybody you disagree with you drag

out that big rubber stamp you carry around with you and label them a

troll. You just did it again, you being the fool you are. Most of all,

just exactly like Justin used to do, you claim you have a right to be

as nasty and as obnoxious as you want. So again you're just a nut job

that whines and screams about others then turns around and does worse

himself then the funny part, attempts to justify it.

 

I've deal with wackos like you for decades in countless newsgroups and

forums. Frankly Frankie, you're minor league all the way. Not tripe A

either. You're just a rank, always bungling, always loud, ignorant

faker living a Water Mitty existence here in some vain effort to pump

up you ego to starve off your low self-esteem. Just like Justin used

to do.

 

In fact everything you do is a mirror image of what Justin used to do.

You desperately try to fake being expert, so did Justin.

 

You're loud and obnoxious, so was Justin.

 

You go out of your way to attack people, especially if you think they

use Linux, just like Justin did.

 

You defend Microsoft blindly, just like Justin did.

 

You tend to repeat yourself over and over, just like Justin did.

 

You lie constantly, just like Justin did.

 

You arrived on scene at about the time Justin left. How revealing.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:39:17 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

 

>Search my name and you'll see I've helped many others in the past.

 

Just what Justin claimed. -)

>Recently no. I've been at war with the linux losers and other assorted

>morons (and one genius!).

 

Just what Justin did. LOL!

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:03:40 -0500, "GO"

<aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>> I think Frank has this big bowl and in it there's a bunch of answers

>> written on little scraps of paper. Frankie just reaches in the bowl

>> without looking, pulls one out and says here, do this.

>

>Damn Adam!! You're killing me!! Priceless!!! LOL

 

I'm the unofficial chairman of the entertainment committee. Nobody

takes Frankie seriously, we just like to play with him.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:32:37 -0500, "GO"

<aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>Frank wrote:

>> GO wrote:

>>

>>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:19:36 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That's fine. But, just because things are working on your

>>>>>>> machines does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the

>>>>>>> users idiots who are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows.

>>>>>>> Even Richard Urban admits Explorer blows.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> -Michael

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing

>>>>>> hardware. Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>> Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> -Michael

>>>>

>>>> I think Frank has this big bowl and in it there's a bunch of answers

>>>> written on little scraps of paper. Frankie just reaches in the bowl

>>>> without looking, pulls one out and says here, do this.

>>>

>>>

>>> Damn Adam!! You're killing me!! Priceless!!! LOL

>>>

>>>

>> Oh, that's a real good one. Adam is the one with the problem, not me!

>> And you go following him around like some kind of a little puppy dog

>> licking his boots at every stop.

>> Now you two look like a couple of goof ball morons (oh, I forgot he's

>> genius who can't fix his own computer!) trying to cover up your

>> ignorance. Brilliant!!!

>> ROTFLMAO!!!

>> Frank

>

>I'm not following him around like a puppy, but is there a problem if I did?

>Puppies are cute. I have been following him on this thread though, but just

>for the sheer entertainment value. It also just happens that I agree with

>him. You and the other MS drones are not very objective. You start

>pouncing on people calling them trolls and other childish names when they

>come with legitimate problems.

 

I've been trying to make Frankie a better troll, but he don't take

kindly to advice. You can sum Frankie up in one sentence. If he

doesn't experience the problem himself his default answer is you must

be a idiot because he don't see the problem so you must being doing

something wrong. That's about the extend of Frankie's expertise and

sadly others too.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:18:28 -0500, "GO"

<aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>> You have no business here unless you have a

>> legitimate install of Vista.

>

>That's the silliest thing I've heard in a while. Why's that? I do actually

>have Vista installed but why can't some come here to learn about Vista? Or

>something on the verge of upgrading coming to see what types of problems

>they may encounter.

 

Frankie wants to be the gatekeeper to this newsgroup. If you agree to

praise Microsoft at least once a week, and kiss Bill Gates on the ass

if he happens to pass by then Frankie will be your life long friend.

If not, Frankie will label you a Linux troll and go into his you got

to be a idiot routine.

 

As nuts as it sounds Frankie and other dolts like him really want to

ban open discussion here. In Frankie's little fantasy world he thinks

you need to be a loyal Microsoft fan to be able to post here. That

wacko opinion is shared by other fanboys and some MVP's.

 

The main value of this newsgroup isn't so much any "help" you may get,

that's sprinkled here and there, rather watching the endless turf

battles. I do my part to keep it entertaining. -)

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:02:07 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>I have no need or interest in defending myself. There is no relevancy

>to this or any thread at all. Most of all, there is no need.

 

You're so far past the point where you could defend yourself. You are

so pro Microsoft in every thread nobody takes anything you say

seriously. Somebody should tell you. Oh, I just did. <wink>

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

> You have no business here unless you have a legitimate

>> install of Vista.

>

> 1. You're not the moderator.

>

> 2. What about people who are considering Vista?

>

> 3. What about people who can offer a viable alternative to the

> intrusive, DRM riddled public BETA called Vista?

>

> 4. You're not the moderator.

>

> Alias

 

 

Hehe, are you trying to accuse Frank of "Moderation" ???

Greg wrote:

> Couldn't you guys just start another whole group called

> Microsoft.public.windows.vista.flamefrank or

> Microsoft.public.windows.vista.frank.v.theworld or something and do your

> name calling and pro and anti MS propaganda there instead? :)

 

 

Well, as your :) indicates you know that these discussions do sometimes

throw up some interesting facts. I agree about the name calling but oh

well... :)

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:03:05 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>> You have no business here unless you have a legitimate

>>> install of Vista.

>>

>> 1. You're not the moderator.

>>

>> 2. What about people who are considering Vista?

>>

>> 3. What about people who can offer a viable alternative to the

>> intrusive, DRM riddled public BETA called Vista?

>>

>> 4. You're not the moderator.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

>Hehe, are you trying to accuse Frank of "Moderation" ???

 

 

Now THAT is funny!

 

Considering Frankie is the most biased poster here. Remember Frankie

is engaged in his own Jihad (holy war) to cleanse this newsgroup of

anyone not showing undying allegiance to Microsoft. Need proof?

Frankie's own words repeated:

 

"You have no business here unless you have a legitimate

install of Vista"

Ian Betts wrote:

> This is what is known as a TROLL.

> In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts

> derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in

> an established online community such as an online discussion forum to

> bait users into responding.[1] They may also plant images and data on

> networks that others may find disturbing (usually indirectly relating to

> the individual in person)[citation needed] in order to cause confrontation.

>

> You and Alias are obviously of the same ilk.

>

>

 

So how come only the Linux users are "Trolls" then but the Windows users

who do the same remain free from criticism? You're not actually

biased are you? Because if you are then you are doing just that which

you accuse others of, trolling :)

 

Now, let's see the value of this type of discussion...

 

The groups are archived, as a newbie I can search the archive to see who

in the groups I should trust to answer my question.

 

It is no use my asking a Microsoft sycophant about my problem because I

will either get told "It's a user Problem", "It's a driver problem" or

"It's not a problem here and we have xx machines so your Vista can't

have been installed properly". None of these answers solve my problem.

People come here for solutions.

 

Do some research and you will find that often the solutions come from

people who have had the same or similar problems, and many of them

therefore have some legitimate criticism of the system being discussed.

I've read them and i find no useful facts whatsoever.

 

 

 

--

Ian

 

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

news:uO#qKGvxHHA.2432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Greg wrote:

>> Couldn't you guys just start another whole group called

>> Microsoft.public.windows.vista.flamefrank or

>> Microsoft.public.windows.vista.frank.v.theworld or something and do your

>> name calling and pro and anti MS propaganda there instead? :)

>

>

> Well, as your :) indicates you know that these discussions do sometimes

> throw up some interesting facts. I agree about the name calling but oh

> well... :)

>

MICHAEL wrote:

>

> * Frank:

>

>>MICHAEL wrote:

>>

>>>Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>MICHAEL wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>>>>does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>>>>>are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban admits

>>>>>Explorer blows.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>-Michael

>>>>

>>>>You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>>>>Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>>>Frank

>>>

>>>Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>>

>>>

>>>-Michael

>>

>>Careful there Michael, I too don't need to be insulted.

>

>

> I haven't insulted you, yet.

>

>

>>If you don't know what is causing the problem, then you don't know what

>>is not causing the problem.

>

>

> Give me a break. I've looked at this problem from *all* angles,

> and I have tried numerous things. There is a problem with Windows

> Explorer... it is that simple.

 

All Vista installs have Windows Explorer but not all Vista installs are

having this problem. So apparently, it is not "that simple".

>

> During 2006, I and others mentioned Explorer's miserable performance

> many times. Shortly after RTM last November, when it was crystal clear

> the problems had not been fixed, I mostly stopped complaining about it

> and moved on... I started using a much better file manager.

>

> Windows Explorer's various performance problems are so widely

> known, I can't believe you brush it aside like you do.

 

"like I do"...I'm not brushing anything aside. That's not true.

 

 

Your inability

> to admit that Vista has some problems, really taints anything you

> have to say.... almost to the point of irrelevancy.

 

Now you're getting a bit ridiculous. We've worked very hard at

customization and a few work arounds with Vista. Nothing is as good as

you want it to be nor as bad as it seems. Vista is no exception.

 

 

You really aren't

> any different than Alias.... one-sided and blind-sided points of view.

> Either open your eyes, or shut your mouth.

 

Seems you've taken the same path you're accusing me of being on.

 

You're starting to look

> really foolish and that's a shame.... I sort of liked you.

>

>

>>I proly been trouble shooting electronics gear longer than you've been

>>alive.

>

>

> Being old and experienced doesn't impress me, and it certainly doesn't

> make you right. As smart as you claim to be, it might do you some good

> to study the difference between subjectivity and objectivity, and learn

> that you often fail at applying the latter. Of course, that is often the case

> of those who claim superiority just by being older and supposedly more

> experienced.... they dropped off objectivity at some exit sign decades ago.

 

Arrogance and ignorance are only a few letters apart.

We're planning on building a high-end test mule in the near future. I'll

see to it that Vista Ultimate is installed in a totally default

manner...no customization, no work arounds. Hopefully this slow file

transfer problem will rear it's ugly head and we can trouble shot it as

a singular problem.

Later.

Frank

In article <qioi935ktceoke4qtlfqcdvc9t5ndme01l@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> You only copied 22 files. Try again copying 3200 files or 30,000 files

> that amount to roughly the same volume. You seem to have "tested" the

> same dumb way the boys of Redmond Washington probably did.

 

OK, I ran 2 tests. Copy 2,319 files totaling 6.1 GB. Vista took 15

minutes and change. OS X took 13 minutes and change.

 

I then copied 15,029 files totaling 7.26 GB. Vista took 20 minutes

and change. OS X took 16 minutes and change.

 

Once again, OS X was marginally faster. Both varied on the "Time

remaining" calculations, both going up and down during the copy. Vista

always starts really high - like 30 minutes or so - but quickly adjusts

to the (more or less) correct time. OS X starts out pretty accurate

but does jump up and down as the copy progresses.

 

Again, there is no inherent Vista problem. It is isolated and probably

driver related.

 

Mike

In article <950j93dpsk8on6qpk6tg13j7dq9f5asqo1@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> So you're trying to say those 900,000+ posts linked on Goggle are all

> wrong?

 

Are all those 900,000 posts from 900,000 unique users? Even if we

assume they are (which is highly unlikely), that's a pretty small

percentage of the total Vista user base.

 

Mike

* Frank:

> You really aren't

>> any different than Alias.... one-sided and blind-sided points of view.

>> Either open your eyes, or shut your mouth.

>

> Seems you've taken the same path you're accusing me of being on.

>

>> You're starting to look

>> really foolish and that's a shame.... I sort of liked you.

>>

>>> I proly been trouble shooting electronics gear longer than you've been

>>> alive.

>>

>> Being old and experienced doesn't impress me, and it certainly doesn't

>> make you right. As smart as you claim to be, it might do you some good

>> to study the difference between subjectivity and objectivity, and learn

>> that you often fail at applying the latter. Of course, that is often the case

>> of those who claim superiority just by being older and supposedly more

>> experienced.... they dropped off objectivity at some exit sign decades ago.

>

> Arrogance and ignorance are only a few letters apart.

> We're planning on building a high-end test mule in the near future. I'll

> see to it that Vista Ultimate is installed in a totally default

> manner...no customization, no work arounds. Hopefully this slow file

> transfer problem will rear it's ugly head and we can trouble shot it as

> a singular problem.

> Later.

> Frank

 

I have no intention of going on about this, I've stated what I

needed to, as have you.

 

 

Take care,

 

Michael