The same can be said about your obvious bias.

 

"wonderful"

Exactly where was this quote from?

I do not recall saying that and you have misrepresented others before.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:08:16 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> Your opinion that Vista is "wonderful" also needs to be looked at

> objectively.

In article <u0caaYoxHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net> wrote:

> Both machines have wireless and / or LAN and removable drives so the

> comparison is between identical hardware except the video cards which

> are very similar but not quite the same, so when I compare the Windows

> versions it should be a fair comparison. All versions are MSDN original

> CD / DVD and not very old.

>

> Vista <> Vista very slow

> XP <> XP slow

> Vista <> XP very slow

> Debian Linux <> Debian Linux MUCH faster

> Linux <> Windows may be a bit faster than either Windows <> Windows

>

> Does this clarify the situation a bit?

 

Yes. How many files are you copying? Dozens? Hundreds?

Thousands? I ask because I copied a couple dozen files that totaled

3.75 GB and got nearly identical results in Vista and OS X.

 

Mike

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:08:24 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>

>

>>We don't see this problem on any of our boxes.

>

>

> The lamest comment and one that only foolish people make. Just because

> you don't have a problem doesn't mean hundreds of thousands of others

> can't have it.

 

Uhhh...that's exactly what I said...reading problems again? Or is it

comprehension...?

 

Are you next going to pretend all the tens of thousands

> of people that said they DO have the same exact problem are liars?

 

Well...lets see...I never said the ones having the problem are liars yet

you say the ones that don't have the problem are liars.

So what's the true there mr genius?

> That's Frankie's usual pattern. Me smart, you dumb. Proving once again

> it is really Frankie that's the world class dummy.

>

>

>>Not everyone who has Vista installed sees this problem.

>

>

> Not everyone that smokes develops lung cancer. Your point?

>

 

i don't smoke, so what's your point? If you even have one.

>

>>Nobody has yet to clearly identify why this problem exist on some boxes

>>and not on others.

>

>

> Note how Frankie now tries to wiggle out of his previous lie that this

> only happens when you do an install in place and you must be a idiot

> if you've done that BS.

 

Be the first place I'd look if I we're you (God forbid!).

 

 

Given direct links where people have reported

> they see the same problem on new computers with Vista preinstalled

> little Frankie needed to change his tune.

 

Never bought a pre-installed system. Is that what you like?

>

> Thanks for playing Frankie. Your status as number one newsgroup clown

> and village idiot remains unchallenged.

 

The only thing you're playing with is yourself...(that's disgusting!).

>

> If fools like Frankie actually read what I've said they would have

> learned a partial fix.

 

Well...seeing as how I never had this problem there is really nothing to

fix or partially fix, is there?

 

But no, Frankie is all about being a smart ass

> and in that role he exceeds expectations.

 

Seems to me you're the smartass...uhhh...or rather the dumbass!

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:15:52 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>

>

>

>>>Say Frankie, there's "only" 918,997 more links, you want me to post

>>>some more or will you just admit you are just blowing smoke out your

>>>butt like you always do and everybody knows you're just a ill tempered

>>>no nothing crackpot.

>>>

>>

>>Keep reading you fool and maybe you just might learn something.

>>But I doubt it, so let me clue your ignorant (oh, sorry, genius) a*s in.

>>We don't see this problem on any of our (now 9) Vista boxes. These boxes

>>all have different hardware but all have a clean install of Vista Ultimate.

>>Since you have a genius iq of 170 (yet can't figure out how to install

>>and run Vista properly!) please tells us all why, in your infinite

>>wisdom, that not all Vista installs are having this problem?

>>Ok...?

>>And please, spare us all the google bullsh*t!

>>Frank

>

>

> Only Frankie would claim 900,000 people proving him wrong is BS.

>

900,000 huh...gee that's large number georgie-boy!

You got that off google didn't you?

And you want everyone to believe that all 900,000 are from 900,000

individual Vista users woh have the same problem don't you?

Sure...we all believe that.

You know, we all also believe that minkies could come flying out of your

rectum at any moment, right?

Sober up!

Grow up...or just get lost!

Frank

"You still have yet to answer why you're always..."

You keep repeating that pointless irrelevant question.

And yet you say "Evasion of the issue."

It seems you are guilty of what you accuse again.

 

"Evasion of the issue. People are forced into purchasing high cost..."

No evasion at all.

Obviously no one is forced to buy any version.

Your own evasion is perpetuating the fantasy people are forced to

purchase when the purchase is entirely their choice.

The version purchased is also entirely the buyers choice.

 

"I would have had to give Microsoft even more money to get Ultimate."

Nothing at all wrong with that .

Similar to any product, not just technology or computers, you decide

what you want and then you choose whether to purchase at the price and

terms set by the seller.

Who made the choice of the version you bought?

 

"Just did"

Not even close.

"Only Microsoft"

That means exclusive to Microsoft.

Perhaps you need to "learn to improve your reading comprehension."

In order to prove your statement, you need to prove no one anywhere

does that with any product.

You can't prove the statement you make again.

 

"You don't "see" at all. That's the point. You never take over your

blinders."

You are speaking of your own ignorance.

You apparently have no idea what the prices are side by side on the

shelf.

I have looked, so I know.

Why do you post and not look?

 

"ROTFLMAO!"

You do that often when you are unable to prove your point.

And you talk about "Evasion of the issue".

 

"...biggest Microsoft butt kisser."

More of your name calling.

What you said about those that are name callers:

"Name calling, typical of ten year olds."

 

Does that mean you are a typical ten year old?

That is how you described someone who posts as you post.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:49:05 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>>"I'm sure glad I paid $200"

>>100% your choice.

>>Anyone I know that feels about a product the way you say would

>>simply

>>not have purchased it.

>

> I'm guessing there are already millions working at some company

> where

> somebody made the choice for them to install Vista. You still have

> yet

> to answer why you're always such a kiss up to Microsoft. Afraid to

> tell us what you're getting out of being an apologist?

>>

>>"Then there is the multiple versions of Vista"

>>Just 4, the same as Windows XP.

>>No problem willing to do the short necessary research.

>

> Evasion of the issue. People are forced into purchasing high cost

> versions of Vista which ironically they can end up having less

> features for example the business version which lacks both direct

> DVD

> burning ability and no media center yet it costs $40 more than Home

> Premium which has both those things.

>

>>The fact is a little research and most everyone can get the feature

>>set they need without having always having to pay a higher.

>

> To get the features I wanted ability to do an install in place,

> burn

> DVD's and have Media Center I would have had to give Microsoft even

> more money to get Ultimate.

>>

>>"Only Microsoft gets away with jacking up the price and taking away

>>features."

>>Are you able to prove that statement?

>

> Just did, learn to improve your reading comprehension.

>

>>From what I see, comparing prices of products side by side on the

>>shelves, Windows Vista has comparable pricing to Windows XP so there

>>is little raising of prices.

>

> You don't "see" at all. That's the point. You never take over your

> blinders. Everybody sees you has nothing but a Microsoft apologist.

> Here's another chance for you to explain why you are. How about

> coming

> clean?

>>

>>AFAIK, there is no law, regulation etc that requires a product

>>manufacturer maintain a specific feature set especially when the

>>product has undergone a major change.

>

> Major change? ROTFLMAO!

>

> We should have an informal pole to see if you or Richard Urban is

> the

> biggest Microsoft butt kisser.

>

Frank wrote:

> MICHAEL wrote:

>

>

>> That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>> does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>> are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban admits

>> Explorer blows.

>>

>>

>> -Michael

>

> You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

> Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

> Frank

 

Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

 

 

-Michael

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:36:24 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:49:05 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

>> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>"I'm sure glad I paid $200"

>>>100% your choice.

>>>Anyone I know that feels about a product the way you say would simply

>>>not have purchased it.

>>

>>

>> I'm guessing there are already millions working at some company where

>> somebody made the choice for them to install Vista. You still have yet

>> to answer why you're always such a kiss up to Microsoft. Afraid to

>> tell us what you're getting out of being an apologist?

>>

>

>Proly the same thing you get out of being an MS basher...yah think?

 

I have both praised and bashed Vista depending on what aspect we're

talking about. It's called being objective. You should try it some

time. Watching you, Jupiter and Urban and other fanboys dance in

circles is well, amusing to say the least. -)

>

>

>>>"Then there is the multiple versions of Vista"

>>>Just 4, the same as Windows XP.

>>>No problem willing to do the short necessary research.

>>

>>

>> Evasion of the issue. People are forced into purchasing high cost

>> versions of Vista which ironically they can end up having less

>> features for example the business version which lacks both direct DVD

>> burning ability and no media center yet it costs $40 more than Home

>> Premium which has both those things.

>

>Oh, now you're complaining about cost. I thought you we're wealthy...no?

 

Has nothing to do with wealth rather what you get for your money.

Vista is basically a upgrade with a new face and a handful of behind

the scenes improvements. Factor in the horrible file handling many

experience, the laughable and next to useless UAC, lacking driver

support, and bugs, bugs, and more bugs everywhere, sorry it isn't

worth the $200 I paid for it.

>> To get the features I wanted ability to do an install in place, burn

>> DVD's and have Media Center I would have had to give Microsoft even

>> more money to get Ultimate.

>

>Hey, maybe you need to take out a second mortgage on the half mil

>trailer you're living in, no?

 

Again, as usual you totally miss the point. You've tried to make the

same flimsy argument with Alias accusing him of not being able to

afford Vista. Its the PRINCIPLE involved. Why give Microsoft more

money? I think Billy G is living rather comfortably already.

>> You don't "see" at all. That's the point. You never take over your

>> blinders. Everybody sees you has nothing but a Microsoft apologist.

>

>You mean like they see you as nothing more than a drunken MS basher? Is

>that what you're saying?

 

I'm objective. You're not. That simple. I have been critical of Vista

when it is called for and praised it when that was called for. Anybody

taking the time to check your posts on Google will see you bitterly

attacking anybody and everybody that merely mentions Linux and you

automatically trying to label them as trolls. We got your number

Frankie.

>> Major change? ROTFLMAO!

>

>Didn't/couldn't/don't yet understand those as of yet, right?

 

Everybody understand YOU perfectly Frankie. You're a fool.

>>

>> We should have an informal pole to see if you or Richard Urban is the

>> biggest Microsoft butt kisser.

>

>

>Nah...I prefer the biggest a*shole in this ng.

 

That would be you again Frankie.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:39:20 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>The same can be said about your obvious bias.

>

>"wonderful"

>Exactly where was this quote from?

>I do not recall saying that and you have misrepresented others before.

 

So your defense is I'm biased so you can be biased too?

 

Priceless.

 

The fact is I'm something you're not objective. You on the other hand

are a true blue Microsoft apologist that will defend them no matter

what. Don't think so? Ok, show us just ONE post where you even mildly

were critical of Microsoft on any topic. Just one.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:19:36 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

wrote:

>Frank wrote:

>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>

>>

>>> That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>> does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>>> are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban admits

>>> Explorer blows.

>>>

>>>

>>> -Michael

>>

>> You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>> Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>> Frank

>

>Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>

>

>-Michael

 

I think Frank has this big bowl and in it there's a bunch of answers

written on little scraps of paper. Frankie just reaches in the bowl

without looking, pulls one out and says here, do this.

MICHAEL wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>

>>

>>> That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>> does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>>> are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban admits

>>> Explorer blows.

>>>

>>>

>>> -Michael

>>

>> You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>> Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>> Frank

>

> Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>

>

> -Michael

 

Yes, he's serious. He's seriously mentally impaired.

 

Shake Hands With,

Mr. Happy

 

--

Vista: They took five years for this?

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/13114/1090/1/0/

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

news:uqVRGCkxHHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Frank wrote:

>

>> I too am Mensa,

>

> Hahahahahaha! Now *that's* funny!

>

> Alias

 

 

Jealous? Gee... not surprising.

 

Lang

MICHAEL wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>>MICHAEL wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>>does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>>>are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban admits

>>>Explorer blows.

>>>

>>>

>>>-Michael

>>

>>You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>>Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>Frank

>

>

> Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>

>

> -Michael

 

Careful there Michael, I too don't need to be insulted.

If you don't know what is causing the problem, then you don't know what

is not causing the problem.

I proly been trouble shooting electronics gear longer than you've been

alive.

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:19:36 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

> wrote:

>

>

>>Frank wrote:

>>

>>>MICHAEL wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>>>does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>>>>are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban admits

>>>>Explorer blows.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>-Michael

>>>

>>>You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>>>Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>>Frank

>>

>>Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>

>>

>>-Michael

>

>

> I think Frank has this big bowl and in it there's a bunch of answers

> written on little scraps of paper. Frankie just reaches in the bowl

> without looking, pulls one out and says here, do this.

>

Hey bozo...i mean you...you drunken sod...I'm the one who isn't having

the problem...you're one of the ones having the problem.

If you don't know whats causing the problem, then you don't know what

not causing the problem.

You know nothing about trouble shooting do you?

For a genius, you sure are one fu*kin dumb ass.

Frank

GO wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:

>

>>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:19:36 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

>>wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>>MICHAEL wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>>>>does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots

>>>>>who are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard

>>>>>Urban admits Explorer blows.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>-Michael

>>>>

>>>>You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>>>>Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>>>Frank

>>>

>>>Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>>

>>>

>>>-Michael

>>

>>I think Frank has this big bowl and in it there's a bunch of answers

>>written on little scraps of paper. Frankie just reaches in the bowl

>>without looking, pulls one out and says here, do this.

>

>

> Damn Adam!! You're killing me!! Priceless!!! LOL

>

>

Oh, that's a real good one. Adam is the one with the problem, not me!

And you go following him around like some kind of a little puppy dog

licking his boots at every stop.

Now you two look like a couple of goof ball morons (oh, I forgot he's

genius who can't fix his own computer!) trying to cover up your ignorance.

Brilliant!!!

ROTFLMAO!!!

Frank

First, *spill able* is one word, even though MS spell check doesn't think

so, then *ain't* is colloquial or substandard. Neither term is a fitting

example of educated and intelligent grammar, yet you used them both in the

same paragraph.

 

Brilliant. :p

 

"Adam Albright" wrote in message

news:ql0j93992abunockdv04u22jm6od1f4cj5@4ax.com...

> Just be sure to remove all spill able liquids away from keyboard

> before reading posts in this newsgroup. I ain't responsible for

> accidents.

Mr. Happy wrote:

> MICHAEL wrote:

>

>

>>Frank wrote:

>>

>>>MICHAEL wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>>>does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots who

>>>>are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard Urban admits

>>>>Explorer blows.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>-Michael

>>>

>>>You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>>>Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>>Frank

>>

>>Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>

>>

>>-Michael

>

>

> Yes, he's serious. He's seriously mentally impaired.

>

> Shake Hands With,

> Mr. Happy

>

Well, I'll take that as a real compliment seeing as it's coming from a

fat, bald headed, cross-dressing, communist, unemployed atheists.

Am I right or what?

Well...?

Frank

Mike wrote:

> In article <u0caaYoxHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net> wrote:

>

>> Both machines have wireless and / or LAN and removable drives so the

>> comparison is between identical hardware except the video cards which

>> are very similar but not quite the same, so when I compare the Windows

>> versions it should be a fair comparison. All versions are MSDN original

>> CD / DVD and not very old.

>>

>> Vista <> Vista very slow

>> XP <> XP slow

>> Vista <> XP very slow

>> Debian Linux <> Debian Linux MUCH faster

>> Linux <> Windows may be a bit faster than either Windows <> Windows

>>

>> Does this clarify the situation a bit?

>

> Yes. How many files are you copying? Dozens? Hundreds?

> Thousands? I ask because I copied a couple dozen files that totaled

> 3.75 GB and got nearly identical results in Vista and OS X.

>

> Mike

 

 

I think just over 1000 but to be honest I did not pay too much attention

because I was busy with something else and had never tried it before

with anything other than Windows. Had always "Assumed" (Yes I know where

that leads) that all systems would be about the same.

 

I will try this again as soon as I am able to, which is probably during

next week and maybe can get some better idea of what is going on.

GO wrote:

 

> I have been following him on this thread though, but just

> for the sheer entertainment value.

 

Yeah, I guess it is fun watching a genius make a fool out of himself. I

guess although I really think he's rather pathetic...good for a laugh

though...I guess....

 

It also just happens that I agree with

> him.

 

You agree that he's too stupid to fix his one and only computer and I've

9 of them, all built in house that don't have any Vista related

problems. He's like, your "leader" huh?

Good choice...hah.

 

 

You and the other MS drones are not very objective. You start

> pouncing on people calling them trolls and other childish names when they

> come with legitimate problems.

>

 

No and that's a lie and you know it. You're one of the linux fanatics

who inhabit this group for nefarious reasons and I give no quarter to

people like you. You have no business here unless you have a legitimate

install of Vista.

 

Adam, georgie boy, mr genius, has a bad habit of opening his postings

with an insult, then slams MS and then labels the op as an idiot. He

also stalks a couple of MVP's for no apparent reason.

I've currently got some spare time, so I'm "tracking" him and not

letting him get by with his usual antics. He doesn't like it, but I do!

If you don't like it, too bad!

Frank

>

"So your defense is I'm biased so you can be biased too?"

Not at all, no defense is necessary even though you think there is.

There you go again making assumptions.

 

"Priceless."

It is up to you if you choose to place value in the irrelevant.

 

Again it is noted you quoted me and FAILED to show where I said

"wonderful"

Your continued misquotes of others show you need to feed your blind

bias.

 

"show us just ONE post where you even mildly"

They are there.

If you want to see them, go ahead and look.

I have no need or interest in defending myself. There is no relevancy

to this or any thread at all.

Most of all, there is no need.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:qe8j93129pp5jqsud44urv9thtqbirfr8e@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:39:20 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>>The same can be said about your obvious bias.

>>

>>"wonderful"

>>Exactly where was this quote from?

>>I do not recall saying that and you have misrepresented others

>>before.

>

> So your defense is I'm biased so you can be biased too?

>

> Priceless.

>

> The fact is I'm something you're not objective. You on the other

> hand

> are a true blue Microsoft apologist that will defend them no matter

> what. Don't think so? Ok, show us just ONE post where you even

> mildly

> were critical of Microsoft on any topic. Just one.

>

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:19:36 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

> wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> That's fine. But, just because things are working on your machines

>>>> does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the users idiots

>>>> who are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows. Even Richard

>>>> Urban admits Explorer blows.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -Michael

>>>

>>> You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing hardware.

>>> Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>> Frank

>>

>> Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>

>>

>> -Michael

>

> I think Frank has this big bowl and in it there's a bunch of answers

> written on little scraps of paper. Frankie just reaches in the bowl

> without looking, pulls one out and says here, do this.

 

Damn Adam!! You're killing me!! Priceless!!! LOL

And your deliberate misquotes of others show what "being objective"

means to you.

Words, nothing more.

 

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:027j93tb7nam8d3i5pq2c71jj0t4q8j0id@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:36:24 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>

>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:49:05 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

>>> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>"I'm sure glad I paid $200"

>>>>100% your choice.

>>>>Anyone I know that feels about a product the way you say would

>>>>simply

>>>>not have purchased it.

>>>

>>>

>>> I'm guessing there are already millions working at some company

>>> where

>>> somebody made the choice for them to install Vista. You still have

>>> yet

>>> to answer why you're always such a kiss up to Microsoft. Afraid to

>>> tell us what you're getting out of being an apologist?

>>>

>>

>>Proly the same thing you get out of being an MS basher...yah think?

>

> I have both praised and bashed Vista depending on what aspect we're

> talking about. It's called being objective. You should try it some

> time. Watching you, Jupiter and Urban and other fanboys dance in

> circles is well, amusing to say the least. -)

>>

>>

>>>>"Then there is the multiple versions of Vista"

>>>>Just 4, the same as Windows XP.

>>>>No problem willing to do the short necessary research.

>>>

>>>

>>> Evasion of the issue. People are forced into purchasing high cost

>>> versions of Vista which ironically they can end up having less

>>> features for example the business version which lacks both direct

>>> DVD

>>> burning ability and no media center yet it costs $40 more than

>>> Home

>>> Premium which has both those things.

>>

>>Oh, now you're complaining about cost. I thought you we're

>>wealthy...no?

>

> Has nothing to do with wealth rather what you get for your money.

> Vista is basically a upgrade with a new face and a handful of behind

> the scenes improvements. Factor in the horrible file handling many

> experience, the laughable and next to useless UAC, lacking driver

> support, and bugs, bugs, and more bugs everywhere, sorry it isn't

> worth the $200 I paid for it.

>

>>> To get the features I wanted ability to do an install in place,

>>> burn

>>> DVD's and have Media Center I would have had to give Microsoft

>>> even

>>> more money to get Ultimate.

>>

>>Hey, maybe you need to take out a second mortgage on the half mil

>>trailer you're living in, no?

>

> Again, as usual you totally miss the point. You've tried to make the

> same flimsy argument with Alias accusing him of not being able to

> afford Vista. Its the PRINCIPLE involved. Why give Microsoft more

> money? I think Billy G is living rather comfortably already.

>

>>> You don't "see" at all. That's the point. You never take over your

>>> blinders. Everybody sees you has nothing but a Microsoft

>>> apologist.

>>

>>You mean like they see you as nothing more than a drunken MS basher?

>>Is

>>that what you're saying?

>

> I'm objective. You're not. That simple. I have been critical of

> Vista

> when it is called for and praised it when that was called for.

> Anybody

> taking the time to check your posts on Google will see you bitterly

> attacking anybody and everybody that merely mentions Linux and you

> automatically trying to label them as trolls. We got your number

> Frankie.

>

>>> Major change? ROTFLMAO!

>>

>>Didn't/couldn't/don't yet understand those as of yet, right?

>

> Everybody understand YOU perfectly Frankie. You're a fool.

>>>

>>> We should have an informal pole to see if you or Richard Urban is

>>> the

>>> biggest Microsoft butt kisser.

>>

>>

>>Nah...I prefer the biggest a*shole in this ng.

>

> That would be you again Frankie.

>

Frank wrote:

> GO wrote:

>

>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:19:36 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> That's fine. But, just because things are working on your

>>>>>> machines does not mean all is fine in Vista land, or are the

>>>>>> users idiots who are reporting how bad Windows Explorer blows.

>>>>>> Even Richard Urban admits Explorer blows.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> -Michael

>>>>>

>>>>> You might try taking a look at all of your LAN interfacing

>>>>> hardware. Modems, routers, hubs, switches, etc.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> Are you serious, Frank? Don't insult me like that.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -Michael

>>>

>>> I think Frank has this big bowl and in it there's a bunch of answers

>>> written on little scraps of paper. Frankie just reaches in the bowl

>>> without looking, pulls one out and says here, do this.

>>

>>

>> Damn Adam!! You're killing me!! Priceless!!! LOL

>>

>>

> Oh, that's a real good one. Adam is the one with the problem, not me!

> And you go following him around like some kind of a little puppy dog

> licking his boots at every stop.

> Now you two look like a couple of goof ball morons (oh, I forgot he's

> genius who can't fix his own computer!) trying to cover up your

> ignorance. Brilliant!!!

> ROTFLMAO!!!

> Frank

 

I'm not following him around like a puppy, but is there a problem if I did?

Puppies are cute. I have been following him on this thread though, but just

for the sheer entertainment value. It also just happens that I agree with

him. You and the other MS drones are not very objective. You start

pouncing on people calling them trolls and other childish names when they

come with legitimate problems.

Dell and HP don't have any options for XP. Well, Dell does but only for a

select few of their high-end machines. There's always exceptions (eg local

computer shops) but the bulk of computers are not purchased there. So for

your average consumer there's not really a whole lot of choice.

 

 

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "Want XP? Too bad, not an option."

> Look again.

> Some if not all the major OEMs sell computers with Windows XP.

> You can also go to a local shop and have a computer built to your

> specs including Windows XP.

> This is not new for Window Vista.

> After Windows XP was released nearly six years ago, you could the

> previous operating system for quite a while.

>

> "but then you end up paying MS twice."

> Not necessary since windows XP is still available.

>

>

> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message

> news:%23CZVYnnxHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> That's not necessarily true, especially in the case of Vista. If

>> you go to

>> buy a computer today, what's preinstalled? Vista. Want XP? Too

>> bad, not

>> an option. Yeah, you can go buy a copy (if you can find one) but

>> then you

>> end up paying MS twice.

GO wrote:

>> It also just happens that I agree with

>>

>>>him.

>>

>>You agree that he's too stupid to fix his one and only computer and

>>I've 9 of them, all built in house that don't have any Vista related

>>problems. He's like, your "leader" huh?

>>Good choice...hah.

>

>

>

> No, I agree that he's got a valid problem and you guys are pouncing over

> him. Just because you and your 9 computers aren't having problems doesn't

> make it any less real. I'm not experiencing it either, but there is ample

> evidence that it is indeed a real problem. So rather than name calling why

> don't you help?

 

Well, I've recommended a clean install rather than an in place upgrade.

Nobody wants to hear that. I know at first with the betas, we had a few

LAN problems but overcame those. I suggested to one other person take a

look at their LAN hardware and they got insulted so unless it's

something specific...and right now no one seems to know, then if I were

having the problem I'd try any and all suggestions.

 

Or if you don't have anything to offer why even bother

> posting? If he is indeed a troll then your posts are only feeding him.

>

>

>> You and the other MS drones are not very objective. You start

>>

>>>pouncing on people calling them trolls and other childish names when

>>>they come with legitimate problems.

>>>

>>

>>No and that's a lie and you know it.

>

>

> I believe we've had this discussion in another thread. If it's a lie how

> come it's the only type of posts I've seen coming from your keyboard?

 

Search my name and you'll see I've helped many others in the past.

Recently no. I've been at war with the linux losers and other assorted

morons (and one genius!).

>

>

>>You're one of the linux fanatics

>>who inhabit this group for nefarious reasons and I give no quarter to

>>people like you.

>

>

> Far from the truth. I appreciate Linux but I am far too much of Linux

> newbie to be a fanatic. I'm still very much a fan of Win2k (and to a lesser

> extent XP).

>

>

>>You have no business here unless you have a

>>legitimate install of Vista.

>

>

> That's the silliest thing I've heard in a while. Why's that? I do actually

> have Vista installed but why can't some come here to learn about Vista?

 

Then you're quite welcome here and sorry if I offhandedly insulted you.

Please forgive me.

I just have no patience for the linux loser trolls.

Frank

 

 

 

Or

> something on the verge of upgrading coming to see what types of problems

> they may encounter.

>

>

>

>

> It also just happens that I agree with

>> him.

>

> You agree that he's too stupid to fix his one and only computer and

> I've 9 of them, all built in house that don't have any Vista related

> problems. He's like, your "leader" huh?

> Good choice...hah.

 

 

No, I agree that he's got a valid problem and you guys are pouncing over

him. Just because you and your 9 computers aren't having problems doesn't

make it any less real. I'm not experiencing it either, but there is ample

evidence that it is indeed a real problem. So rather than name calling why

don't you help? Or if you don't have anything to offer why even bother

posting? If he is indeed a troll then your posts are only feeding him.

> You and the other MS drones are not very objective. You start

>> pouncing on people calling them trolls and other childish names when

>> they come with legitimate problems.

>>

> No and that's a lie and you know it.

 

I believe we've had this discussion in another thread. If it's a lie how

come it's the only type of posts I've seen coming from your keyboard?

>You're one of the linux fanatics

> who inhabit this group for nefarious reasons and I give no quarter to

> people like you.

 

Far from the truth. I appreciate Linux but I am far too much of Linux

newbie to be a fanatic. I'm still very much a fan of Win2k (and to a lesser

extent XP).

> You have no business here unless you have a

> legitimate install of Vista.

 

That's the silliest thing I've heard in a while. Why's that? I do actually

have Vista installed but why can't some come here to learn about Vista? Or

something on the verge of upgrading coming to see what types of problems

they may encounter.