Another reason to hate Vista

July 14, 200717 yr

Well as long as we are plugging file managers I might as well

get one in for the best.

http://www.v-com.com/product/PowerDesk_Pro_Home.html

Pro-Version

http://www.v-com.com/product/PowerDesk_free.html

Free Version

http://www.v-com.com/product/PowerDesk_Pro_Compare2.html

Pro - Free compared

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> Yes, there is a problem with using **EXPLORER** to copy/move files.

>

> Why are people so adverse to using a 3rd party file manager to perform

> disk/file chores? Some good ones are even FREE! Other better ones are very

> inexpensive nag ware. If you can live with the initial nag screen you can

> use it forever without contributing to the author of the program.

>

> Total Commander is so good that I actually paid for it about 8 years ago.

> I have received about 20 free upgrades since then, all on the initial

> price. I can copy files over my home Vista/XP network at 75-90 meg per

> second. I can copy an image of my Vista computer to my XP server in about

> 4 minutes (file size about 8 gig).

>

> --

>

> Regards,

>

> Richard Urban

> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>

> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

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>>

>> * Adam Albright:

>>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:47:28 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>>>

>>>> In article <v0eg93h92cporg95t9ql9vfcv39ka4mdrc@4ax.com>,

>>>> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>> But Vista hasn't. Vista has absolutely nothing in common with

>>>>>> Windows

>>>>>> 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98 or ME. It doesn't even have much

>>>>>> in

>>>>>> common with NT 3.1, 3,51, 4,0 or Windows 2000.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Wake up, dummy.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Mike

>>>>> Remain clueless if you must. That fits in with most of the regulars.

>>>> So you are claiming that Vista is based on Windows 1.0 code? And you

>>>> call *me* clueless!?!?

>>>>

>>>> Mike

>>>

>>> Nice strawman attempt. That's about the limit of your intelligence.

>>>

>>> Actually I'm in good company. People that actually KNOW something

>>> about Windows unlike the dopes that hang out here throwing rocks from

>>> the bushes.

>>>

>>> Take John C. Dvorak for example.

>>>

>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2123848,00.asp

>>>

>>> Who's John? Oh he just authored or co-authored a dozen books, is a

>>> award winning columnist for magazines like PC Magazine, Mac User,

>>> Forbes, Barrens, writes for the New York Times and Los Angeles Times,

>>> others major newspapers and magazines.

>>>

>>> What have you done Mikey besides getting fall down drunk on the

>>> weekends and shooting your mouth off in this backwater newsgroup?

>>

>> Adam,

>>

>> I don't always agree with you or the lengths you go to

>> when trying to get your point across. However, when it

>> comes to the issues of Windows Explorer and deleting/moving/

>> copying files locally or across a network- anyone who says

>> Vista does not have a major malfunction is a fukkin fool.

>> Far too many folks have brought this up, and those that say

>> "it doesn't happen on my computer, must only be you", are

>> either lying, enormously ignorant, or stupid sycophantic shills.

>> Perhaps, even a bit of all the above.

>>

>> I have Vista installed on three different machines, and I have

>> experienced the pitifulness of Windows Explorer on all three.

>>

>> -Michael

>

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One more that has been growing in popularity

http://www.zabkat.com/

Introducing xplorer²

All the shell goodies from windows explorer — none of the hassle! Plus all the features you

would expect from a powerful tabbed dual-pane file manager, including Omni-Finder, a find files

module that simply outclasses all known search tools. Don't take our word for it, seeing is

believing!

xplorer² is a file and information manager that adheres to the philosophy "efficiency through

simplicity". Without reinventing the wheel, it integrates the best features of Windows' shell

architecture in a small, resource efficient package that's instantly familiar to work with. But

look a little closer and you'll discover a whole new world under the surface that offers power,

precision and flexibility, and will boost your everyday productivity no end!

Spirit wrote:

> Well as long as we are plugging file managers I might as well get one in for the best.

>

> http://www.v-com.com/product/PowerDesk_Pro_Home.html Pro-Version

>

> http://www.v-com.com/product/PowerDesk_free.html Free Version

>

> http://www.v-com.com/product/PowerDesk_Pro_Compare2.html Pro - Free compared

>

> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:uqNlmShxHHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Yes, there is a problem with using **EXPLORER** to copy/move files.

>>

>> Why are people so adverse to using a 3rd party file manager to perform disk/file chores?

>> Some good ones are even FREE! Other better ones are very inexpensive nag ware. If you can

>> live with the initial nag screen you can use it forever without contributing to the author

>> of the program.

>>

>> Total Commander is so good that I actually paid for it about 8 years ago. I have received

>> about 20 free upgrades since then, all on the initial price. I can copy files over my home

>> Vista/XP network at 75-90 meg per second. I can copy an image of my Vista computer to my

>> XP server in about 4 minutes (file size about 8 gig).

>>

>> --

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my

>> address)

>>

>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

>> news:Oz6rargxHHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> * Adam Albright:

>>>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:47:28 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> In article <v0eg93h92cporg95t9ql9vfcv39ka4mdrc@4ax.com>, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>> But Vista hasn't. Vista has absolutely nothing in common with Windows 1.0,

>>>>>>> 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98 or ME. It doesn't even have much in common with NT

>>>>>>> 3.1, 3,51, 4,0 or Windows 2000.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Wake up, dummy.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mike

>>>>>> Remain clueless if you must. That fits in with most of the regulars.

>>>>> So you are claiming that Vista is based on Windows 1.0 code? And you call *me*

>>>>> clueless!?!?

>>>>>

>>>>> Mike

>>>> Nice strawman attempt. That's about the limit of your intelligence.

>>>>

>>>> Actually I'm in good company. People that actually KNOW something about Windows unlike

>>>> the dopes that hang out here throwing rocks from the bushes.

>>>>

>>>> Take John C. Dvorak for example.

>>>>

>>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2123848,00.asp

>>>>

>>>> Who's John? Oh he just authored or co-authored a dozen books, is a award winning

>>>> columnist for magazines like PC Magazine, Mac User, Forbes, Barrens, writes for the

>>>> New York Times and Los Angeles Times, others major newspapers and magazines.

>>>>

>>>> What have you done Mikey besides getting fall down drunk on the weekends and shooting

>>>> your mouth off in this backwater newsgroup?

>>> Adam,

>>>

>>> I don't always agree with you or the lengths you go to when trying to get your point

>>> across. However, when it comes to the issues of Windows Explorer and deleting/moving/

>>> copying files locally or across a network- anyone who says Vista does not have a major

>>> malfunction is a fukkin fool. Far too many folks have brought this up, and those that

>>> say "it doesn't happen on my computer, must only be you", are either lying, enormously

>>> ignorant, or stupid sycophantic shills. Perhaps, even a bit of all the above.

>>>

>>> I have Vista installed on three different machines, and I have experienced the

>>> pitifulness of Windows Explorer on all three.

>>>

>>> -Michael

>

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MICHAEL wrote:

> Richard Urban wrote:

>> Yes, there is a problem with using **EXPLORER** to copy/move files.

>>

>> Why are people so adverse to using a 3rd party file manager to perform disk/file chores?

>> Some good ones are even FREE! Other better ones are very inexpensive nag ware. If you can

>> live with the initial nag screen you can use it forever without contributing to the author

>> of the program.

>>

>> Total Commander is so good that I actually paid for it about 8 years ago. I have received

>> about 20 free upgrades since then, all on the initial price. I can copy files over my home

>> Vista/XP network at 75-90 meg per second. I can copy an image of my Vista computer to my XP

>> server in about 4 minutes (file size about 8 gig).

>

> Richard,

>

> I don't have a problem using another file manger, I have

> regularly plugged Directory Opus 9 in this forum.

> http://www.gpsoft.com.au/

>

> I have used Total Commander and I liked it, I just think

> Opus 9 is better and also has a better GUI.

>

> However, this isn't really the point- Windows Explorer

> should work better than it does. People pay for the

> expensive Vista, and it should just work and work well. Period.

>

> Here we are in 2007 and several years since XP was released-

> this is the best Microsoft can offer? When I look at the tremendous

> advances in technology since XP was released, from hardware to

> software, and even looking at the great strides Linux has made

> during that time- Microsoft can't even get Windows Explorer

> to work well... a fukkin file manager. Pathetic.

>

> -Michael

I can't give you figures but moving stuff over a wired network using

plain old drag and drop to copy a few GB of data goes like this...

64 bit Vista well over an hour

32 bit Vista over an hour

XP to XP (32) around an hour

Debian to Debian 12 minutes

Not sure how repeatable this is however the situation was pretty much

the same each time, machines left alone to do the job.

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:10:31 -0500, "GO"

<aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>>>>> So you are claiming that Vista is based on Windows 1.0 code? And

>>>>> you call *me* clueless!?!?

>>>>>

>>>>> Mike

>>>>

>>>> Little has changed in the routine for copying/moving/deleting files

>>>> which is the subject we're discussing. Do try to pay better

>>>> attention and you'll avoid looking so dumb.

>>>

>>> LOL! Good one! If nothing else this group is good for a laugh

>>> every now and then. :)

>>>

>> The only reason I hang around is to get a few laughs from Bozos like

>> Frank and Mike. I miss Justin too. Whatever happened to that phony?

>

>All three are new to me, although I have had a couple run-ins with Frank.

>It's definitely amusing jabbing the zealots from time to time but it never

>ceases to amaze me at how defensive these people get over legitimate

>problems. I'm guessing MS must be paying them off or something )

It sure can be amusing. I just don't get why some get so defensive. It

isn't just the Microsoft fanboys either. There are wild eyed Mac

zealots, Linux ones, UNIX ones, obviously political zealots on both

the extreme far left and right, for sure a nasty bunch on religious

issues, there use to be a fanatic crowd for Netscape and Opera

browsers. You name it, the kooks come running to defend whatever they

are obsessively passionate about.

Almost always they need to build a feeble strawman. Like here, saying

oh, "So you are claiming that Vista is based on Windows 1.0 code?" Did

I actually say that? No, but the kooks need to pretend, which just

adds to the sillyness.

Then we got the apologist segment. They may admit like in this example

that Windows Explorer sucks at basic file copying, moving and

deleting, then quickly add so what, use something else. Again missing

the point that people have paid a substantial amount of money for

Vista. It should simply work, not after some release of SP1 still

months down the road, it should work properly right out of the box.

Especially for simple things like handling file transfers. The FACT is

Microsoft hasn't addressed the many issues that have surrounded their

crappy shell. They obviously haven't fixed Explorer in Vista, they

didn't address it in XP or in Windows 98 before either.

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:33:58 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>In article <jpeg931sfjt27509lqgi6vhnrihkrp0gmk@4ax.com>,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>> Actually I'm in good company. People that actually KNOW something

>> about Windows unlike the dopes that hang out here throwing rocks from

>> the bushes.

>>

>> Take John C. Dvorak for example.

>>

>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2123848,00.asp

>

>You cite Dvorak as an "authority"?!?!?!?!

>

>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>

>Some much for any "credibility" you claimed to have!

>

>Mike

Compared to loud mouth idiots like you and Frank, he's an Einstein.

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:43:58 -0400, "Richard Urban"

<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Yes, there is a problem with using **EXPLORER** to copy/move files.

>

>Why are people so adverse to using a 3rd party file manager to perform

>disk/file chores?

Because copying/moving/deleting files is a CORE feature of EVERY

operating system that should be easily handled and be both fast and

problem free. Unix systems don't have any problems. Neither do Macs,

or Linux or any other OS you can name. So the question is as it often

does always comes back to WHY do you silly fanboys always want to cut

Microsoft extra slack for screwing up what everybody else can easily

manager?

Address THAT question.

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:33:58 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>

>>In article <jpeg931sfjt27509lqgi6vhnrihkrp0gmk@4ax.com>,

>>Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>

>>>Actually I'm in good company. People that actually KNOW something

>>>about Windows unlike the dopes that hang out here throwing rocks from

>>>the bushes.

>>>

>>>Take John C. Dvorak for example.

>>>

>>>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2123848,00.asp

>>

>>You cite Dvorak as an "authority"?!?!?!?!

>>

>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>

>>Some much for any "credibility" you claimed to have!

>>

>>Mike

>

> Compared to loud mouth idiots like you and Frank, he's an Einstein.

>

hehehe...ever get that upgrade version of Vista business to properly

work after all this time mr lush expert?...lol...idiot!

Frank

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You can ,cut, copy and paste on all windows versions up to and including

Vista and in Explorer its just the same process.

You maybe need a little instruction but not the stupid onslaught you now use

here.

--

Ian

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:43:58 -0400, "Richard Urban"

> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>>Yes, there is a problem with using **EXPLORER** to copy/move files.

>>

>>Why are people so adverse to using a 3rd party file manager to perform

>>disk/file chores?

>

> Because copying/moving/deleting files is a CORE feature of EVERY

> operating system that should be easily handled and be both fast and

> problem free. Unix systems don't have any problems. Neither do Macs,

> or Linux or any other OS you can name. So the question is as it often

> does always comes back to WHY do you silly fanboys always want to cut

> Microsoft extra slack for screwing up what everybody else can easily

> manager?

>

> Address THAT question.

>

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:41:55 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:33:58 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>>

>>>In article <jpeg931sfjt27509lqgi6vhnrihkrp0gmk@4ax.com>,

>>>Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>>Actually I'm in good company. People that actually KNOW something

>>>>about Windows unlike the dopes that hang out here throwing rocks from

>>>>the bushes.

>>>>

>>>>Take John C. Dvorak for example.

>>>>

>>>>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2123848,00.asp

>>>

>>>You cite Dvorak as an "authority"?!?!?!?!

>>>

>>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>>

>>>Some much for any "credibility" you claimed to have!

>>>

>>>Mike

>>

>> Compared to loud mouth idiots like you and Frank, he's an Einstein.

>>

>

>hehehe...ever get that upgrade version of Vista business to properly

>work after all this time mr lush expert?...lol...idiot!

>Frank

Feeble little fools like you depend on spreading lies. Your two most

popular are pretending I'm a drunk and that I can't get Vista to work.

Both total fabrications anybody can easily spot.

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:41:55 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

>

>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>>On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:33:58 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>>>

>>>>In article <jpeg931sfjt27509lqgi6vhnrihkrp0gmk@4ax.com>,

>>>>Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>Actually I'm in good company. People that actually KNOW something

>>>>>about Windows unlike the dopes that hang out here throwing rocks from

>>>>>the bushes.

>>>>>

>>>>>Take John C. Dvorak for example.

>>>>>

>>>>>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2123848,00.asp

>>>>

>>>>You cite Dvorak as an "authority"?!?!?!?!

>>>>

>>>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>>>

>>>>Some much for any "credibility" you claimed to have!

>>>>

>>>>Mike

>>>

>>>Compared to loud mouth idiots like you and Frank, he's an Einstein.

>>>

>>

>>hehehe...ever get that upgrade version of Vista business to properly

>>work after all this time mr lush expert?...lol...idiot!

>>Frank

>

> Feeble little fools like you depend on spreading lies. Your two most

> popular are pretending I'm a drunk and that I can't get Vista to work.

> Both total fabrications anybody can easily spot.

>

You lying sack of sh*t!

Only a feeble minded moron lush like you would do an "upgrade" of Vista

business then complain that it's MS's fault it's not working properly.

Let me give you a piece of expert computer advice:

1) backup all important data

2) flatten your HDD (that means format the drive)

3) do a clean install using your upgrade DVD of Windows Vista Business

Edition.

Then report back on how good it's working!

Any questions?

Frank

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In article <8beg93d258cun31a7s6o1s0i8ju7v6eicn@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> Little has changed in the routine for copying/moving/deleting files

> which is the subject we're discussing.

And you know this....how exactly? The file system has changed

multiple times. The OS kernel has changed multiple times. The

network stack has changed multiple times.

>Do try to pay better attention and you'll avoid looking so dumb.

Even if you *did* pay attention you'd still look like the moron here.

Mike

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In article <dbfg93hggba6sdi0ed160h0lu067cus75r@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> >I turn it off.

>

> So you claim to know all about something you just admitted you turned

> off. Classic dummy response.

Of course. It's there to hold the hand of newbies like you, but those

of us with some brains can do just fine without it.

Mike

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In article <thph93t6s6n7mgbtd6644v5grsqvkgkqqt@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> >You cite Dvorak as an "authority"?!?!?!?!

> >

> >BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

> >

> >Some much for any "credibility" you claimed to have!

> >

> >Mike

>

> Compared to loud mouth idiots like you and Frank, he's an Einstein.

Only to mental midgets such as you. Intelligent people stopped

reading Dvorak in 1992 when he called Windows 3.1 a "disaster". Yeah,

OS/2 would have killed to have been such a "disaster".

Mike

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I knew there was something I liked about you, despite the fact that you

always fully quote the trolls. :)

KB

"Frank" wrote in message news:eRDMgbdxHHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

I too am Mensa, which as it turns out is meaningless in terms of life’s

achievements.

Boasting about one's iq score is considered to be the cult of

braggadocio, or one who employs vain and empty boasting but is actually

a cowardly and boastful man.

Never confuse education with intelligence or intelligence with

achievement and always be thankful of your hard work and the luck you

had in achieving your goals.

Frank

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:10:31 -0500, "GO"

> <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>

>>>>>> So you are claiming that Vista is based on Windows 1.0 code?

>>>>>> And you call *me* clueless!?!?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Mike

>>>>>

>>>>> Little has changed in the routine for copying/moving/deleting

>>>>> files which is the subject we're discussing. Do try to pay better

>>>>> attention and you'll avoid looking so dumb.

>>>>

>>>> LOL! Good one! If nothing else this group is good for a laugh

>>>> every now and then. :)

>>>>

>>> The only reason I hang around is to get a few laughs from Bozos like

>>> Frank and Mike. I miss Justin too. Whatever happened to that phony?

>>

>> All three are new to me, although I have had a couple run-ins with

>> Frank. It's definitely amusing jabbing the zealots from time to time

>> but it never ceases to amaze me at how defensive these people get

>> over legitimate problems. I'm guessing MS must be paying them off

>> or something )

>

> It sure can be amusing. I just don't get why some get so defensive. It

> isn't just the Microsoft fanboys either. There are wild eyed Mac

> zealots, Linux ones, UNIX ones, obviously political zealots on both

> the extreme far left and right, for sure a nasty bunch on religious

> issues, there use to be a fanatic crowd for Netscape and Opera

> browsers. You name it, the kooks come running to defend whatever they

> are obsessively passionate about.

>

> Almost always they need to build a feeble strawman. Like here, saying

> oh, "So you are claiming that Vista is based on Windows 1.0 code?" Did

> I actually say that? No, but the kooks need to pretend, which just

> adds to the sillyness.

>

> Then we got the apologist segment. They may admit like in this example

> that Windows Explorer sucks at basic file copying, moving and

> deleting, then quickly add so what, use something else. Again missing

> the point that people have paid a substantial amount of money for

> Vista. It should simply work, not after some release of SP1 still

> months down the road, it should work properly right out of the box.

> Especially for simple things like handling file transfers. The FACT is

> Microsoft hasn't addressed the many issues that have surrounded their

> crappy shell. They obviously haven't fixed Explorer in Vista, they

> didn't address it in XP or in Windows 98 before either.

But why would they have to fix it? Vista is so much prettier! )

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Frank wrote:

> I too am Mensa,

Hahahahahaha! Now *that's* funny!

Alias

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KristleBawl wrote:

> I knew there was something I liked about you, despite the fact that you

> always fully quote the trolls. :)

>

> KB

>

> "Frank" wrote in message news:eRDMgbdxHHA.3784@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> I too am Mensa, which as it turns out is meaningless in terms of life’s

> achievements.

> Boasting about one's iq score is considered to be the cult of

> braggadocio, or one who employs vain and empty boasting but is actually

> a cowardly and boastful man.

> Never confuse education with intelligence or intelligence with

> achievement and always be thankful of your hard work and the luck you

> had in achieving your goals.

> Frank

>

:-D

Frank

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In addition to learning the realestate price of certatain members home..

and the IQ number of others - there's a lot of good info here on what is

the best "file manager." You can learning something even with people

throwing verbal rocks at each other... )

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:54:25 -0500, "GO"

<aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>But why would they have to fix it? Vista is so much prettier! )

Starting with the packaging it comes in, Microsoft didn't do it's

homework for Vista. They dumped UAC on the unsuspecting masses and

offered no warning and their "help" that is suppose to explain it you

have to drill down to find and it is written is such a way that only a

UNIX purist would appreciate it.

Then there is the multiple versions of Vista, an obvious move to try

to push as many users as possible into the most costly version,

Ultimate, cutting off features like built-in DVD burning in what they

laughingly call their "business" version. Then we got for no reason

purchasers of Home premium which oddly they suggest as the most often

recommended version to upgrade to is surprise... crippled by design so

you can't do an install in place. That means if you want to do that

cough up another $40 to get the business version which again no

surprise, removed features that were included in home premium, yet

it's most expensive. Only Microsoft gets away with jacking up the

price and taking away features.

Yes, Windows is still Windows. Everybody expected a half-baked, lot of

features don't work right release. After all, Microsoft has used and

gotten away with a 'let our army of customers beta test for us free'

business model for over twenty years.

Yes, you still have the moronic fanboy crowd that are unpaid

apologists for Microsoft. They're as funny as ever saying such stupid

things as if your don't like it, nobody forced you to buy Vista, just

reinstall XP or my personal favorite just about every fanboy and MVP

admitting file copying/moving/deleting with Windows Explorer sucks,

further admitting they use something else themselves, yet never ever

being critical of Microsoft for not fixing this obviously broken core

feature that has long plagued Windows.

But you're right, for sure Vista is pretty. I'm sure glad I paid $200

to get a prettier Window desktop, a moronic revolving double circle

icon to watch while Explorer inches along trying to copy files and it

is always fun to watch my sidebar gadgets reshuffle their order for no

reason. -)

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:07:51 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>In article <8beg93d258cun31a7s6o1s0i8ju7v6eicn@4ax.com>,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>> Little has changed in the routine for copying/moving/deleting files

>> which is the subject we're discussing.

>

>And you know this....how exactly? The file system has changed

>multiple times. The OS kernel has changed multiple times. The

>network stack has changed multiple times.

>

>>Do try to pay better attention and you'll avoid looking so dumb.

>

>Even if you *did* pay attention you'd still look like the moron here.

I always have fun playing with guys then fake they know something when

in fact the harder they try the dumber they sound. File processing in

Vista is BROKEN. Anybody that knows anything about Windows understands

that.

The proof is if you open a command prompt and copy/move/delete files

directly bypassing the endless layers of Vista added garbage the

process works as good as it ever did, which isn't saying much since

most every OS does it better, but what it does point to is whatever

boneheads at Microsoft designed the GUI "features" that file

processing NORMALLY passes through didn't do their homework. This is

further confirmed by nearly any third party shell you can install

which is way faster than Windows Explorer. These are called FACTS

Mike. Do try to keep up.

When Windows Explorer tries to work on files it can crash if file

names are too long which is insane on the surface since the files

already exist on the system somewhere with these "too long" file

names, yet it only seems to bother Vista is they get moved. Then we

got the moronic checking for file permissions, the equally stupid DRM

filtering, the even dumber attempts to sort in place while files are

still getting moved or the laughable creating thumbnails when not

needed, opening scores of handles to handle the job, the always

inaccurate time estimate, the clunky "calculating time remaining" BS,

the fact the number of files, not the net sum of what's being moved

impacts negatively on Vista's performance all point to a poorly

designed, untested, pile of crap. Pretend it is something better all

you want. The one that looks foolish is YOU.

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July 14, 200717 yr

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:12:42 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>In article <thph93t6s6n7mgbtd6644v5grsqvkgkqqt@4ax.com>,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>> >You cite Dvorak as an "authority"?!?!?!?!

>> >

>> >BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>> >

>> >Some much for any "credibility" you claimed to have!

>> >

>> >Mike

>>

>> Compared to loud mouth idiots like you and Frank, he's an Einstein.

>

>Only to mental midgets such as you. Intelligent people stopped

>reading Dvorak in 1992 when he called Windows 3.1 a "disaster". Yeah,

>OS/2 would have killed to have been such a "disaster".

>

>Mike

You read magazines with words in them? Wow, I'm impressed!

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July 14, 200717 yr

In article <a6bi9353pn54t64qnnonvm6ga34ud6ck1l@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> I always have fun playing with guys then fake they know something when

> in fact the harder they try the dumber they sound.

So you like playing with yourself then?

> File processing in

> Vista is BROKEN. Anybody that knows anything about Windows understands

> that.

No, only people with a broken install know that. I have seen none of

the "problems" you mention in your rant.

Mike

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In article <bs8i939h4srku7ihsd8sscbrdv9q63vk7k@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> Then there is the multiple versions of Vista

What a load of tripe. There are exactly the same number of versions of

Vista as there are XP.

XP Home, XP Pro, XP Tablet, XP Media Center.

Vista Home Basic, Vista Home Premium, Vista Business, Vista Ultimate.

Yeah, that is just SO confusing. You would think that a guy with an

"IQ of 170" could figure it out.

Mike

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July 14, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> I always have fun playing with guys then fake they know something when

> in fact the harder they try the dumber they sound.

You mean you...right? Oh, I forgot you're an iq 170 genius...lol!

You have fun making a stupid fool out of yourself in case you didn't

know genius boy.

File processing in

> Vista is BROKEN. Anybody that knows anything about Windows understands

> that.

>

Well, not really. Yours may be broken. Ours aren't..why do you suppose

that is mr genius...lol?

Maybe cause we know what we're doing and you only think you know what

you're doing...lol!

> The proof is if you open a command prompt and copy/move/delete files

> directly bypassing the endless layers of Vista added garbage the

> process works as good as it ever did, which isn't saying much since

> most every OS does it better, but what it does point to is whatever

> boneheads at Microsoft designed the GUI "features" that file

> processing NORMALLY passes through didn't do their homework. This is

> further confirmed by nearly any third party shell you can install

> which is way faster than Windows Explorer. These are called FACTS

> Mike. Do try to keep up.

Did it every enter your little (oops..genius) mind that maybe you have a

bad install from doing an "upgrade" install. I know of no one with any

computer savvy who would even think of doing an in place upgrade install

vs a clean install. Oh, but I forgot, you a double genius..iq and computers.

You're really a just drunken fool!!!

>

> When Windows Explorer tries to work on files it can crash if file

> names are too long which is insane on the surface since the files

> already exist on the system somewhere with these "too long" file

> names, yet it only seems to bother Vista is they get moved. Then we

> got the moronic checking for file permissions, the equally stupid DRM

> filtering, the even dumber attempts to sort in place while files are

> still getting moved or the laughable creating thumbnails when not

> needed, opening scores of handles to handle the job, the always

> inaccurate time estimate, the clunky "calculating time remaining" BS,

> the fact the number of files, not the net sum of what's being moved

> impacts negatively on Vista's performance all point to a poorly

> designed, untested, pile of crap. Pretend it is something better all

> you want. The one that looks foolish is YOU.

It's obvious you've got a bad in place upgrade install fool!

The one who really looks FOOLISH IS YOU, MR IQ GENIUS!!!

Frank

>

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:10:31 -0500, "GO"

> <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>

>>>>>> So you are claiming that Vista is based on Windows 1.0 code? And

>>>>>> you call *me* clueless!?!?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Mike

>>>>> Little has changed in the routine for copying/moving/deleting files

>>>>> which is the subject we're discussing. Do try to pay better

>>>>> attention and you'll avoid looking so dumb.

>>>> LOL! Good one! If nothing else this group is good for a laugh

>>>> every now and then. :)

>>>>

>>> The only reason I hang around is to get a few laughs from Bozos like

>>> Frank and Mike. I miss Justin too. Whatever happened to that phony?

>> All three are new to me, although I have had a couple run-ins with Frank.

>> It's definitely amusing jabbing the zealots from time to time but it never

>> ceases to amaze me at how defensive these people get over legitimate

>> problems. I'm guessing MS must be paying them off or something )