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Don't buy any hardware. Nobody forces you to do it. I had this problem with

XP. It is motherboard related, not OS related.

 

The first part of this advice has nothing to do wit hardware. I gave you a

list of drivers.

 

I am sharing my experience. Don't spend your money. I am against it. Keep

blaming Vista.

 

"Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message

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> And why should I have to buy additional hardware just to make Vista work?

> For what advantage? I have already had to replace my perfectly good HP

> Printer and Canon Scanner because they did not work with Vista. I have

> also lots of perfectly good redundant software (eg expensive Adobe 6.0).

> There is literally nothing in Vista which justifies this outlay in new

> hardware and software - and you are now suggesting I pay out more to fix a

> really basic fundamental problem????

>

>

>

> "alexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message

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>> Make sure there are such files in this folder:

>>

>> Directory of C:\Windows\Inf

>> angelusb.inf angelusb.PNF

>> irstusb.inf irstusb.PNF

>> stusb2ir.inf stusb2ir.PNF

>> usb.inf usb.PNF

>> usbccid.inf usbccid.PNF

>> usbcir.inf usbcir.PNF

>> usbport.inf usbport.PNF

>> usbprint.inf usbprint.PNF

>> usbstor.inf usbstor.PNF

>> usbvideo.inf usbvideo.PNF

>> wceusbsh.inf wceusbsh.PNF

>> wdma_usb.inf wdma_usb.PNF

>> winusb.inf winusb.PNF

>> 26 File(s) 1,113,306 bytes

>> 3 Dir(s) 53,645,410,304 bytes free

>> [usbhub]

>>

>> Make sure there are such drivers:

>> Directory Windows\System32\drivers\

>> usb8023.sys USBAUDIO.sys

>> USBCAMD.sys USBCAMD2.sys

>> usbccgp.sys usbcir.sys

>> usbd.sys usbehci.sys

>> usbhub.sys usbohci.sys

>> usbport.sys usbprint.sys

>> USBSTOR.SYS usbuhci.sys

>> 14 File(s) 857,472 bytes

>>

>> In one of my Vistas 6 files were missing in the first directory and one

>> driver in second.

>>

>> Although I fixed that it did not resolve the story completely. I had this

>> problem for many years in XP and then in Vista.

>>

>> What I ended up doing after a person from another forum suggested me to

>> do was to purchase a Belkin Internal 5-Port USB PCI card. He purchased

>> Belkin's. I did not quite trust the maker but went for his pointer. It

>> resolved the eissue completely. I removed a firewire PCI card in the back

>> that I never used and plugged in Belkin. It isntalled itself and I've

>> never had any problems since.

>>

>> This card and similar cards by other makers allow for the 5-th USB port

>> to be engaged. It is not exposed to the elements. It faces the internals

>> of the computer. However, if you have a floppy you do not need you can

>> buy another External USB card (not PCI) and mount it up front ripping off

>> the floppy drive. Thus you will have 8 fully functional USB ports and

>> they will all work.

>>

>> I did it on 2 machines so far. I do not need to use the 5th, internal

>> port. I now have plenty.

>> "Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message

>> news:E0BEC6B8-0E82-441C-99B4-1889D4041C39@microsoft.com...

>>>I am in exactly the same quandary. I am having terrible problems with USB

>>>drivers on my Vista machine and I have lost days of productivity trying

>>>to fix it. I too am considering the drastic action of formatting and

>>>reinstalling everything on XP.

>>>

>>> I also wish to buy a laptop and am in a similar quandary. I really don't

>>> want to buy a Vista laptop at the moment. Dell say they will sell me one

>>> of their laptops with XP on it, but if it was designed to run Vista I

>>> fear that I will have problems trying to run XP on it.

>>>

>>> It would certainly be reassuring if there was a date for Vista SP1.

>>

>

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    Don't buy any hardware. Nobody forces you to do it. I had this problem with

    XP. It is motherboard related, not OS related.

     

    The first part of this advice has nothing to do wit hardware. I gave you a

    list of drivers.

     

    I am sharing my experience. Don't spend your money. I am against it. Keep

    blaming Vista.

     

    "Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message

    news:1CA44BCE-4304-4B17-94DA-22D5B1584F11@microsoft.com...

    > And why should I have to buy additional hardware just to make Vista work?

    > For what advantage? I have already had to replace my perfectly good HP

    > Printer and Canon Scanner because they did not work with Vista. I have

    > also lots of perfectly good redundant software (eg expensive Adobe 6.0).

    > There is literally nothing in Vista which justifies this outlay in new

    > hardware and software - and you are now suggesting I pay out more to fix a

    > really basic fundamental problem????

    >

    >

    >

    > "alexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message

    > news:uU0F1QnaIHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    >> Make sure there are such files in this folder:

    >>

    >> Directory of C:\Windows\Inf

    >> angelusb.inf angelusb.PNF

    >> irstusb.inf irstusb.PNF

    >> stusb2ir.inf stusb2ir.PNF

    >> usb.inf usb.PNF

    >> usbccid.inf usbccid.PNF

    >> usbcir.inf usbcir.PNF

    >> usbport.inf usbport.PNF

    >> usbprint.inf usbprint.PNF

    >> usbstor.inf usbstor.PNF

    >> usbvideo.inf usbvideo.PNF

    >> wceusbsh.inf wceusbsh.PNF

    >> wdma_usb.inf wdma_usb.PNF

    >> winusb.inf winusb.PNF

    >> 26 File(s) 1,113,306 bytes

    >> 3 Dir(s) 53,645,410,304 bytes free

    >> [usbhub]

    >>

    >> Make sure there are such drivers:

    >> Directory Windows\System32\drivers\

    >> usb8023.sys USBAUDIO.sys

    >> USBCAMD.sys USBCAMD2.sys

    >> usbccgp.sys usbcir.sys

    >> usbd.sys usbehci.sys

    >> usbhub.sys usbohci.sys

    >> usbport.sys usbprint.sys

    >> USBSTOR.SYS usbuhci.sys

    >> 14 File(s) 857,472 bytes

    >>

    >> In one of my Vistas 6 files were missing in the first directory and one

    >> driver in second.

    >>

    >> Although I fixed that it did not resolve the story completely. I had this

    >> problem for many years in XP and then in Vista.

    >>

    >> What I ended up doing after a person from another forum suggested me to

    >> do was to purchase a Belkin Internal 5-Port USB PCI card. He purchased

    >> Belkin's. I did not quite trust the maker but went for his pointer. It

    >> resolved the eissue completely. I removed a firewire PCI card in the back

    >> that I never used and plugged in Belkin. It isntalled itself and I've

    >> never had any problems since.

    >>

    >> This card and similar cards by other makers allow for the 5-th USB port

    >> to be engaged. It is not exposed to the elements. It faces the internals

    >> of the computer. However, if you have a floppy you do not need you can

    >> buy another External USB card (not PCI) and mount it up front ripping off

    >> the floppy drive. Thus you will have 8 fully functional USB ports and

    >> they will all work.

    >>

    >> I did it on 2 machines so far. I do not need to use the 5th, internal

    >> port. I now have plenty.

    >> "Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message

    >> news:E0BEC6B8-0E82-441C-99B4-1889D4041C39@microsoft.com...

    >>>I am in exactly the same quandary. I am having terrible problems with USB

    >>>drivers on my Vista machine and I have lost days of productivity trying

    >>>to fix it. I too am considering the drastic action of formatting and

    >>>reinstalling everything on XP.

    >>>

    >>> I also wish to buy a laptop and am in a similar quandary. I really don't

    >>> want to buy a Vista laptop at the moment. Dell say they will sell me one

    >>> of their laptops with XP on it, but if it was designed to run Vista I

    >>> fear that I will have problems trying to run XP on it.

    >>>

    >>> It would certainly be reassuring if there was a date for Vista SP1.

    >>

    >

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    DanS, I had this problem in XPs for years. Go to XP forum and you will see

    the same posts.

     

    "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

    news:Xns9A3ECF61181D7thisnthatadelphianet@207.46.248.16...

    > "Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in

    > news:1CA44BCE-4304-4B17-94DA-22D5B1584F11@microsoft.com:

    >

    >> And why should I have to buy additional hardware just to make Vista

    >> work? For what advantage? I have already had to replace my perfectly

    >> good HP Printer and Canon Scanner because they did not work with

    >> Vista. I have also lots of perfectly good redundant software (eg

    >> expensive Adobe 6.0). There is literally nothing in Vista which

    >> justifies this outlay in new hardware and software - and you are now

    >> suggesting I pay out more to fix a really basic fundamental

    >> problem????

    >

    > Yes, he is. That is the MS way.

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    DanS, I had this problem in XPs for years. Go to XP forum and you will see

    the same posts.

     

    "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

    news:Xns9A3ECF61181D7thisnthatadelphianet@207.46.248.16...

    > "Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in

    > news:1CA44BCE-4304-4B17-94DA-22D5B1584F11@microsoft.com:

    >

    >> And why should I have to buy additional hardware just to make Vista

    >> work? For what advantage? I have already had to replace my perfectly

    >> good HP Printer and Canon Scanner because they did not work with

    >> Vista. I have also lots of perfectly good redundant software (eg

    >> expensive Adobe 6.0). There is literally nothing in Vista which

    >> justifies this outlay in new hardware and software - and you are now

    >> suggesting I pay out more to fix a really basic fundamental

    >> problem????

    >

    > Yes, he is. That is the MS way.

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    On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga

    <IngaBinga@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    >I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything takes 10

    >times longer to install and configure, it won't even consistently synch with

    >my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting my license to XP Pro and I'm

    >wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to this and a myriad of other hassles

    >that have made the "upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my

    >printer drivers having to be reinstalled every time I turn the printer on

    >because Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I might miss

    >is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start bar and that's

    >not nearly enough to continue.

    >

    >My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view of

    >Vista but I thought I would put this out here:

    >Is there any compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to

    >6 months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >

     

    Got back to XP, am running SP1 RTM on one PC and it is better, but

    many basic bugs were not fixed.

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    On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga

    <IngaBinga@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    >I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything takes 10

    >times longer to install and configure, it won't even consistently synch with

    >my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting my license to XP Pro and I'm

    >wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to this and a myriad of other hassles

    >that have made the "upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my

    >printer drivers having to be reinstalled every time I turn the printer on

    >because Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I might miss

    >is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start bar and that's

    >not nearly enough to continue.

    >

    >My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view of

    >Vista but I thought I would put this out here:

    >Is there any compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to

    >6 months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >

     

    Got back to XP, am running SP1 RTM on one PC and it is better, but

    many basic bugs were not fixed.

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    On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:31:05 -0800, Frank <fb@jr.kmo> wrote:

    >ray wrote:

    >

    >> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:46:46 -0800, Frank wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >>>ray wrote:

    >>>

    >>>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>>I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>>takes 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even

    >>>>>consistently synch with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting

    >>>>>my license to XP Pro and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to

    >>>>>this and a myriad of other hassles that have made the "upgrade" to

    >>>>>Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my printer drivers having to be

    >>>>>reinstalled every time I turn the printer on because Vista forgot I had

    >>>>>that printer. The only feature that I might miss is the window preview

    >>>>>when you hover over an app on the start bar and that's not nearly

    >>>>>enough to continue.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view of

    >>>>>Vista but I thought I would put this out here: Is there any compelling

    >>>>>reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to 6 months or should

    >>>>>I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>I've not tried the SP beta myself, but reviews have indicated that it

    >>>>will not fix any major problems. IMHO - you'd be better off with

    >>>>something else that is more robust - XP or Linux.

    >>>

    >>>That is simply not true!

    >>>Frank

    >>

    >>

    >> What's not true? That I have an opinion?

    >

    >Well having a opinion based on actual product usage is what most people

    >have.

    >Having an opinion like you do based on your prejudicial hatred of MS and

    >no actual usage is just FUD spreading and trolling.

    >Frank

     

    What village idiots with a delusional love for M$?

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    On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:31:05 -0800, Frank <fb@jr.kmo> wrote:

    >ray wrote:

    >

    >> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:46:46 -0800, Frank wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >>>ray wrote:

    >>>

    >>>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>>I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>>takes 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even

    >>>>>consistently synch with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting

    >>>>>my license to XP Pro and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to

    >>>>>this and a myriad of other hassles that have made the "upgrade" to

    >>>>>Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my printer drivers having to be

    >>>>>reinstalled every time I turn the printer on because Vista forgot I had

    >>>>>that printer. The only feature that I might miss is the window preview

    >>>>>when you hover over an app on the start bar and that's not nearly

    >>>>>enough to continue.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view of

    >>>>>Vista but I thought I would put this out here: Is there any compelling

    >>>>>reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to 6 months or should

    >>>>>I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>I've not tried the SP beta myself, but reviews have indicated that it

    >>>>will not fix any major problems. IMHO - you'd be better off with

    >>>>something else that is more robust - XP or Linux.

    >>>

    >>>That is simply not true!

    >>>Frank

    >>

    >>

    >> What's not true? That I have an opinion?

    >

    >Well having a opinion based on actual product usage is what most people

    >have.

    >Having an opinion like you do based on your prejudicial hatred of MS and

    >no actual usage is just FUD spreading and trolling.

    >Frank

     

    What village idiots with a delusional love for M$?

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    On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:46:29 -0800, Frank <fb@jr.kmo> wrote:

    >Alias wrote:

    >

    >> Frank wrote:

    >>

    >>> ray wrote:

    >>>

    >>>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>> I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>> takes

    >>>>> 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even consistently

    >>>>> synch with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting my license to

    >>>>> XP Pro and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to this and a

    >>>>> myriad of other hassles that have made the "upgrade" to Vista extremely

    >>>>> painful. I'm tire of my printer drivers having to be reinstalled every

    >>>>> time I turn the printer on because Vista forgot I had that printer.

    >>>>> The

    >>>>> only feature that I might miss is the window preview when you hover

    >>>>> over

    >>>>> an app on the start bar and that's not nearly enough to continue.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view of

    >>>>> Vista but I thought I would put this out here: Is there any compelling

    >>>>> reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to 6 months or should

    >>>>> I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> I've not tried the SP beta myself, but reviews have indicated that it

    >>>> will not fix any major problems. IMHO - you'd be better off with

    >>>> something else that is more robust - XP or Linux.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> That is simply not true!

    >>> Frank

    >>

    >>

    >> This from someone who posted this:

    >

    >

    >You still can't deal with the truth can you mr liar, mr troll, mr

    >spammer, mr bigot...LOL!

    >Frank

     

     

    Never mind, Alias kicked me in the head and I'm feeling much better

    now.

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    On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:46:29 -0800, Frank <fb@jr.kmo> wrote:

    >Alias wrote:

    >

    >> Frank wrote:

    >>

    >>> ray wrote:

    >>>

    >>>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>> I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>> takes

    >>>>> 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even consistently

    >>>>> synch with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting my license to

    >>>>> XP Pro and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to this and a

    >>>>> myriad of other hassles that have made the "upgrade" to Vista extremely

    >>>>> painful. I'm tire of my printer drivers having to be reinstalled every

    >>>>> time I turn the printer on because Vista forgot I had that printer.

    >>>>> The

    >>>>> only feature that I might miss is the window preview when you hover

    >>>>> over

    >>>>> an app on the start bar and that's not nearly enough to continue.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view of

    >>>>> Vista but I thought I would put this out here: Is there any compelling

    >>>>> reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to 6 months or should

    >>>>> I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> I've not tried the SP beta myself, but reviews have indicated that it

    >>>> will not fix any major problems. IMHO - you'd be better off with

    >>>> something else that is more robust - XP or Linux.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> That is simply not true!

    >>> Frank

    >>

    >>

    >> This from someone who posted this:

    >

    >

    >You still can't deal with the truth can you mr liar, mr troll, mr

    >spammer, mr bigot...LOL!

    >Frank

     

     

    Never mind, Alias kicked me in the head and I'm feeling much better

    now.

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    I am kind of suspicious of your Irish ancestry. You mangle English

    occasionally, I don't think your language is colloquial enough and you don't

    seem to use street slang. I do not mean street-street. Just a bit of a

    flavor of modernity. On the other hand I haven't been in reading your posts

    too much: not too much interested.

     

    OK, it's to go back to the first question. Again, I am speaking from my

    personal experience. I am a developer and I need very deep understanding of

    certain aspects of OS, not even the user interface we are discussing here.

    In the past I had spent years working with non-MS stuff and finally

    realized that I wasted a lot of time. I had to catch up. It was painful. All

    those software packages I worked with went down the drain because their

    sponsors (companies) could not survive, could not upgrade, could not provide

    new versions and they went under.

     

    MS is the only one that serviced. In the process it has become a monster in

    terms of the knowledge base. It is enormous. I will spend years trying to

    burrow thru many things I need.

     

    People who waste time on Linux/Ubuntu, Solaris will pay a price later. This

    may not be so painful for an ordinary user, however, you never know. Even an

    ordinary user faces with what we all are facing in Vista. I think MS is on a

    roll, It will be getting more complex software wise. It is a phenomenon.

    Just recently new classes were introduced in C# (Linq). I haven't even

    touched them yet. I think people should think seriously about taking MS way.

     

    This is my private opinion. PRIVATE. I think Ubuntu is a toy and in some

    circles is used as a vehicle to sell cheep computers overseas. You never

    know where this money goes.

     

    On that Ubuntu website I quoted before you can clearly see that most of the

    users are nuts.

     

    "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

    news:ODp5kfnaIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    > alexB wrote:

    >> What is so difficult to understand about the Hell, Al-Alias?

    >

    > Nothing. The question is how Ubuntu/Linux can lead one "down to hell", a

    > question that you cannot answer.

    >

    > BTW, my ancestry is Irish and I was born in the USA. I have blue eyes and

    > blond hair.

    >

    > Alias

    >>

    >> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

    >> news:eStLNYnaIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>> alexB wrote:

    >>>> Go with Linux/Ubuntu, it will take you down to hell!

    >>>

    >>> Really? Please explain (as if).

    >>>

    >>> Alias

    >>>>

    >>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

    >>>> news:fohuo3119es@news2.newsguy.com...

    >>>>> Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>>

    >>>>>> I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>>> takes

    >>>>>> 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even consistently

    >>>>>> synch

    >>>>>> with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting my license to XP

    >>>>>> Pro

    >>>>>> and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to this and a myriad

    >>>>>> of

    >>>>>> other hassles

    >>>>>> that have made the "upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of

    >>>>>> my

    >>>>>> printer drivers having to be reinstalled every time I turn the

    >>>>>> printer on

    >>>>>> because Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I

    >>>>>> might

    >>>>>> miss is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start

    >>>>>> bar and

    >>>>>> that's not nearly enough to continue.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view

    >>>>>> of

    >>>>>> Vista but I thought I would put this out here:

    >>>>>> Is there any compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear

    >>>>>> in 3

    >>>>>> to 6 months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>>

    >>>>> There is NO compelling reason to wait for SP1 or to wait for SP5 for

    >>>>> that

    >>>>> matter when you can be running a real operating system NOW. Don't even

    >>>>> think about converting to XP Pro. That's old news, an old o/s that

    >>>>> ain't

    >>>>> going anywhere. Go with Linux, it is the future.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com

    >>>>>

    >>>>> Cheers.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> --

    >>>>> Frank's Brain Activity Plotted (watch the red line):

    >>>>> http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/Astronomy2/PreformanceMonitor.jpg

    >>>>>

    >>>>> AlexB: "If it is Business or Ultimate open Command Prompt as

    >>>>> administrator

    >>>>> and type lusrmgr.msc."

    >>>>> ^^^^^

    >>>>> I must say the developers at Microsoft do have a sense of humour.

    >>>>

    >>

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    I am kind of suspicious of your Irish ancestry. You mangle English

    occasionally, I don't think your language is colloquial enough and you don't

    seem to use street slang. I do not mean street-street. Just a bit of a

    flavor of modernity. On the other hand I haven't been in reading your posts

    too much: not too much interested.

     

    OK, it's to go back to the first question. Again, I am speaking from my

    personal experience. I am a developer and I need very deep understanding of

    certain aspects of OS, not even the user interface we are discussing here.

    In the past I had spent years working with non-MS stuff and finally

    realized that I wasted a lot of time. I had to catch up. It was painful. All

    those software packages I worked with went down the drain because their

    sponsors (companies) could not survive, could not upgrade, could not provide

    new versions and they went under.

     

    MS is the only one that serviced. In the process it has become a monster in

    terms of the knowledge base. It is enormous. I will spend years trying to

    burrow thru many things I need.

     

    People who waste time on Linux/Ubuntu, Solaris will pay a price later. This

    may not be so painful for an ordinary user, however, you never know. Even an

    ordinary user faces with what we all are facing in Vista. I think MS is on a

    roll, It will be getting more complex software wise. It is a phenomenon.

    Just recently new classes were introduced in C# (Linq). I haven't even

    touched them yet. I think people should think seriously about taking MS way.

     

    This is my private opinion. PRIVATE. I think Ubuntu is a toy and in some

    circles is used as a vehicle to sell cheep computers overseas. You never

    know where this money goes.

     

    On that Ubuntu website I quoted before you can clearly see that most of the

    users are nuts.

     

    "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

    news:ODp5kfnaIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    > alexB wrote:

    >> What is so difficult to understand about the Hell, Al-Alias?

    >

    > Nothing. The question is how Ubuntu/Linux can lead one "down to hell", a

    > question that you cannot answer.

    >

    > BTW, my ancestry is Irish and I was born in the USA. I have blue eyes and

    > blond hair.

    >

    > Alias

    >>

    >> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

    >> news:eStLNYnaIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>> alexB wrote:

    >>>> Go with Linux/Ubuntu, it will take you down to hell!

    >>>

    >>> Really? Please explain (as if).

    >>>

    >>> Alias

    >>>>

    >>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

    >>>> news:fohuo3119es@news2.newsguy.com...

    >>>>> Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>>

    >>>>>> I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>>> takes

    >>>>>> 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even consistently

    >>>>>> synch

    >>>>>> with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting my license to XP

    >>>>>> Pro

    >>>>>> and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to this and a myriad

    >>>>>> of

    >>>>>> other hassles

    >>>>>> that have made the "upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of

    >>>>>> my

    >>>>>> printer drivers having to be reinstalled every time I turn the

    >>>>>> printer on

    >>>>>> because Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I

    >>>>>> might

    >>>>>> miss is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start

    >>>>>> bar and

    >>>>>> that's not nearly enough to continue.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view

    >>>>>> of

    >>>>>> Vista but I thought I would put this out here:

    >>>>>> Is there any compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear

    >>>>>> in 3

    >>>>>> to 6 months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>>

    >>>>> There is NO compelling reason to wait for SP1 or to wait for SP5 for

    >>>>> that

    >>>>> matter when you can be running a real operating system NOW. Don't even

    >>>>> think about converting to XP Pro. That's old news, an old o/s that

    >>>>> ain't

    >>>>> going anywhere. Go with Linux, it is the future.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com

    >>>>>

    >>>>> Cheers.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> --

    >>>>> Frank's Brain Activity Plotted (watch the red line):

    >>>>> http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/Astronomy2/PreformanceMonitor.jpg

    >>>>>

    >>>>> AlexB: "If it is Business or Ultimate open Command Prompt as

    >>>>> administrator

    >>>>> and type lusrmgr.msc."

    >>>>> ^^^^^

    >>>>> I must say the developers at Microsoft do have a sense of humour.

    >>>>

    >>

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    On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:31:05 -0800, Frank wrote:

    > ray wrote:

    >

    >> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:46:46 -0800, Frank wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >>>ray wrote:

    >>>

    >>>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>>I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>>takes 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even

    >>>>>consistently synch with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of

    >>>>>converting my license to XP Pro and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide

    >>>>>the fixes to this and a myriad of other hassles that have made the

    >>>>>"upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my printer drivers

    >>>>>having to be reinstalled every time I turn the printer on because

    >>>>>Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I might miss

    >>>>>is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start bar and

    >>>>>that's not nearly enough to continue.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view

    >>>>>of Vista but I thought I would put this out here: Is there any

    >>>>>compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to 6

    >>>>>months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>I've not tried the SP beta myself, but reviews have indicated that it

    >>>>will not fix any major problems. IMHO - you'd be better off with

    >>>>something else that is more robust - XP or Linux.

    >>>

    >>>That is simply not true!

    >>>Frank

    >>

    >>

    >> What's not true? That I have an opinion?

    >

    > Well having a opinion based on actual product usage is what most people

    > have.

    > Having an opinion like you do based on your prejudicial hatred of MS and

    > no actual usage is just FUD spreading and trolling. Frank

     

    I see. So everyone is welcome to have an opinion as long as it agrees

    with yours.

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    On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:31:05 -0800, Frank wrote:

    > ray wrote:

    >

    >> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:46:46 -0800, Frank wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >>>ray wrote:

    >>>

    >>>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>>I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>>takes 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even

    >>>>>consistently synch with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of

    >>>>>converting my license to XP Pro and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide

    >>>>>the fixes to this and a myriad of other hassles that have made the

    >>>>>"upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my printer drivers

    >>>>>having to be reinstalled every time I turn the printer on because

    >>>>>Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I might miss

    >>>>>is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start bar and

    >>>>>that's not nearly enough to continue.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view

    >>>>>of Vista but I thought I would put this out here: Is there any

    >>>>>compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to 6

    >>>>>months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>I've not tried the SP beta myself, but reviews have indicated that it

    >>>>will not fix any major problems. IMHO - you'd be better off with

    >>>>something else that is more robust - XP or Linux.

    >>>

    >>>That is simply not true!

    >>>Frank

    >>

    >>

    >> What's not true? That I have an opinion?

    >

    > Well having a opinion based on actual product usage is what most people

    > have.

    > Having an opinion like you do based on your prejudicial hatred of MS and

    > no actual usage is just FUD spreading and trolling. Frank

     

    I see. So everyone is welcome to have an opinion as long as it agrees

    with yours.

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    "Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in

    news:1CA44BCE-4304-4B17-94DA-22D5B1584F11@microsoft.com:

    > And why should I have to buy additional hardware just to make Vista

    > work? For what advantage? I have already had to replace my perfectly

    > good HP Printer and Canon Scanner because they did not work with

    > Vista. I have also lots of perfectly good redundant software (eg

    > expensive Adobe 6.0). There is literally nothing in Vista which

    > justifies this outlay in new hardware and software - and you are now

    > suggesting I pay out more to fix a really basic fundamental

    > problem????

     

    Is it a fundamental problem ? I can't answer that, there wasn't much info

    to go on here about your actual problem.

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    "Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in

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    > And why should I have to buy additional hardware just to make Vista

    > work? For what advantage? I have already had to replace my perfectly

    > good HP Printer and Canon Scanner because they did not work with

    > Vista. I have also lots of perfectly good redundant software (eg

    > expensive Adobe 6.0). There is literally nothing in Vista which

    > justifies this outlay in new hardware and software - and you are now

    > suggesting I pay out more to fix a really basic fundamental

    > problem????

     

    Is it a fundamental problem ? I can't answer that, there wasn't much info

    to go on here about your actual problem.

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    "alexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in

    news:ueVDnPpaIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

    > DanS, I had this problem in XPs for years. Go to XP forum and you will

    > see the same posts.

     

    I'm sure you'd had many problems for years....some of them even related to

    XP.

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    "alexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in

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    > DanS, I had this problem in XPs for years. Go to XP forum and you will

    > see the same posts.

     

    I'm sure you'd had many problems for years....some of them even related to

    XP.

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    ray wrote:

    > On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:31:05 -0800, Frank wrote:

    >

    >

    >>ray wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:46:46 -0800, Frank wrote:

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>>ray wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>>I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>>>takes 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even

    >>>>>>consistently synch with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of

    >>>>>>converting my license to XP Pro and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide

    >>>>>>the fixes to this and a myriad of other hassles that have made the

    >>>>>>"upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my printer drivers

    >>>>>>having to be reinstalled every time I turn the printer on because

    >>>>>>Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I might miss

    >>>>>>is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start bar and

    >>>>>>that's not nearly enough to continue.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view

    >>>>>>of Vista but I thought I would put this out here: Is there any

    >>>>>>compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to 6

    >>>>>>months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>I've not tried the SP beta myself, but reviews have indicated that it

    >>>>>will not fix any major problems. IMHO - you'd be better off with

    >>>>>something else that is more robust - XP or Linux.

    >>>>

    >>>>That is simply not true!

    >>>>Frank

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>What's not true? That I have an opinion?

    >>

    >>Well having a opinion based on actual product usage is what most people

    >>have.

    >>Having an opinion like you do based on your prejudicial hatred of MS and

    >>no actual usage is just FUD spreading and trolling. Frank

    >

    >

    > I see. So everyone is welcome to have an opinion as long as it agrees

    > with yours.

     

     

    I've noticed that when you get cornered you try and put words into

    others mouths.

    In this case you'll notice I didn't say anything even close to your

    response.

    Maybe you should try some other tactic in order to win...?

    Frank

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    ray wrote:

    > On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:31:05 -0800, Frank wrote:

    >

    >

    >>ray wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:46:46 -0800, Frank wrote:

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>>ray wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga wrote:

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>>I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything

    >>>>>>takes 10 times longer to install and configure, it won't even

    >>>>>>consistently synch with my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of

    >>>>>>converting my license to XP Pro and I'm wondering if SP1 will provide

    >>>>>>the fixes to this and a myriad of other hassles that have made the

    >>>>>>"upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my printer drivers

    >>>>>>having to be reinstalled every time I turn the printer on because

    >>>>>>Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I might miss

    >>>>>>is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start bar and

    >>>>>>that's not nearly enough to continue.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view

    >>>>>>of Vista but I thought I would put this out here: Is there any

    >>>>>>compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to 6

    >>>>>>months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>I've not tried the SP beta myself, but reviews have indicated that it

    >>>>>will not fix any major problems. IMHO - you'd be better off with

    >>>>>something else that is more robust - XP or Linux.

    >>>>

    >>>>That is simply not true!

    >>>>Frank

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>What's not true? That I have an opinion?

    >>

    >>Well having a opinion based on actual product usage is what most people

    >>have.

    >>Having an opinion like you do based on your prejudicial hatred of MS and

    >>no actual usage is just FUD spreading and trolling. Frank

    >

    >

    > I see. So everyone is welcome to have an opinion as long as it agrees

    > with yours.

     

     

    I've noticed that when you get cornered you try and put words into

    others mouths.

    In this case you'll notice I didn't say anything even close to your

    response.

    Maybe you should try some other tactic in order to win...?

    Frank

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    thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:

    > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga

    > <IngaBinga@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    >

    >

    >>I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything takes 10

    >>times longer to install and configure, it won't even consistently synch with

    >>my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting my license to XP Pro and I'm

    >>wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to this and a myriad of other hassles

    >>that have made the "upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my

    >>printer drivers having to be reinstalled every time I turn the printer on

    >>because Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I might miss

    >>is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start bar and that's

    >>not nearly enough to continue.

    >>

    >>My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view of

    >>Vista but I thought I would put this out here:

    >>Is there any compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to

    >>6 months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>

    >

    >

    > Got back to XP, am running SP1 RTM on one PC and it is better, but

    > many basic bugs were not fixed.

     

    How would a brain dead queen of the village idiots like you know a 'bug"

    if you ever came across one?...LOL

    Moron!

    Frank

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    thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:

    > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:58:00 -0800, Inga Binga

    > <IngaBinga@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    >

    >

    >>I'm at the end of my rope with Vista Business... Almost everything takes 10

    >>times longer to install and configure, it won't even consistently synch with

    >>my Tilt w/ WM6. I'm on the verge of converting my license to XP Pro and I'm

    >>wondering if SP1 will provide the fixes to this and a myriad of other hassles

    >>that have made the "upgrade" to Vista extremely painful. I'm tire of my

    >>printer drivers having to be reinstalled every time I turn the printer on

    >>because Vista forgot I had that printer. The only feature that I might miss

    >>is the window preview when you hover over an app on the start bar and that's

    >>not nearly enough to continue.

    >>

    >>My small group of friends and associates share this excremental view of

    >>Vista but I thought I would put this out here:

    >>Is there any compelling reason to wait for the SP1 that might appear in 3 to

    >>6 months or should I convert to XP Pro or Linux?

    >>

    >

    >

    > Got back to XP, am running SP1 RTM on one PC and it is better, but

    > many basic bugs were not fixed.

     

    How would a brain dead queen of the village idiots like you know a 'bug"

    if you ever came across one?...LOL

    Moron!

    Frank

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    If you have "new gear" then you have a different problem. "New gear" should

    have come designed for Vista. If you have a combination of "new gear" and

    "old gear" then it is possible XP may be better. Note that this isn't a

    Vista thing but a new OS thing. Ask Apple PowerPC users about it. Think back

    to when XP was released and how poor some Windows 98 systems worked when you

    tried to upgrade to XP. Things change. Combining old and new doesn't always

    work.

     

    --

    Kerry Brown

    Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

    http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

     

     

    "Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message

    news:AFE2118F-1754-4F6D-9771-906527CCFE4E@microsoft.com...

    >

    > That's what I'm having to do too, despite considerable outlay already on

    > new gear. What a friigging waste of money Vista is....

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    If you have "new gear" then you have a different problem. "New gear" should

    have come designed for Vista. If you have a combination of "new gear" and

    "old gear" then it is possible XP may be better. Note that this isn't a

    Vista thing but a new OS thing. Ask Apple PowerPC users about it. Think back

    to when XP was released and how poor some Windows 98 systems worked when you

    tried to upgrade to XP. Things change. Combining old and new doesn't always

    work.

     

    --

    Kerry Brown

    Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

    http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

     

     

    "Rich T" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message

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    >

    > That's what I'm having to do too, despite considerable outlay already on

    > new gear. What a friigging waste of money Vista is....

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    alexB wrote:

    > I am kind of suspicious of your Irish ancestry.

     

    And the reason you think I care if you believe me or not is? But, hell,

    I'll play, my grandfather -- who was born in Ireland -- told me a joke

    that went something like this:

     

    An Irishman and a Scotsman were equidistant from two bus stops. The

    Irish one went toward the bus stop that would catch the bus sooner and

    the Scotsman went to the bus stop that would catch the bus later. Do you

    know why?

    > You mangle English

    > occasionally,

     

    You do it with almost every post.

    > I don't think your language is colloquial enough and you

    > don't seem to use street slang.

     

    Try me. You still haven't answered as to when one should use "a" or "an"

    yet. Don't know?

    > I do not mean street-street. Just a bit

    > of a flavor of modernity. On the other hand I haven't been in reading

    > your posts too much: not too much interested.

     

    IOW, you are commenting on something your know very little about. Every

    one act surprised!

    > OK, it's to go back to the first question.

     

    Let's not.

     

    Snip.

     

    Alias

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