"Mark R. Cusumano" <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote in message

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> "john sumner" <js33441NOSPAM@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:Xns9A3A47229A66jp33441aolcom@news.albasani.net...

>> Paul Knudsen . wrote in

>> news:d38dq39u0708m4ajclab2h77ujpk0ntm84@4ax.com:

>>

>>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:51:43 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>And I wish everyone would top post. I doubt either of us will get our

>>>>wish.

>>>

>>> Since I won't see it, I'll get mine!

>>>

>>> Bye bye loser

>>

>> Have you looked in the mirror lately.

>>

> I often wonder why people felt the need to announce they were putting someone in their

> killfile. I have several people in mine and I never felt the need to tell them. A guess we

> are supposed to feel hurt he no longer reads our posts... :'-( <G>

 

Because they are big fat goobers!

 

 

-Michael

"Mark R. Cusumano" <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote in

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> I often wonder why people felt the need to announce they were putting

> someone in their killfile. I have several people in mine and I never

> felt the need to tell them. A guess we are supposed to feel hurt he

> no longer reads our posts... :'-( <G>

 

I think it is too tell peopl to watch out for the pewrson they have plonked

i really dont tell too many people i have plonked them, because most of

them are google groupers or webtv morons, who dont know anything.

About 10 years, 8 actively. Not nearly as long as some. The world doesn't

revolve around usenet nor microsoft for that matter. I guess it all comes

down to what a person uses a newsreader for. Some may consider OE and

Windows Mail to be faulty, but they suit my purposes fine and have some rich

content capabilities (embedded flash, EOTs, JavaScript, etc.) that don't

exist in other news clients so far as I know.

 

Richard

 

 

"Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

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The date and time was 2/2/2008 6:35 AM, and on a whim, Richard Eagle

pounded out on the keyboard:

> Why? Top posting is easier and faster when reading replies in a thread. No

> having to scroll down to the bottom to read a reply. I've never understood

> why anyone would bottom post. I own some newsgroups and everyone

> has always top posted their replies. It's the common sense natural way to

> do

> it, and it would never even occur to anyone on our groups to bottom post a

> reply. Sometimes the threads can get quite long and it would be a huge

> waste

> of time if we had to scroll down to read the next reply in each message if

> people bottom posted their replies. It would be crazy to use bottom

> posting

> with a thread that might have replies a dozen levels deep. With top

> posting

> you can read the thread and follow the conversation quickly and easily.

> I'm

> wondering...do you group your messages by conversation? I use OE in XP and

> Windows Mail in Vista as newsreaders and have always grouped messages by

> conversation.

>

> Richard

>

 

It doesn't sound like you have been around newsgroups very long, or only

since MS introduced their faulty news client.

 

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On most groups, yes it would be quite rare, and it will never happen on this

group. Top posting only is the way we do it on our own private groups, and

especially in a thread with so many replies/levels, top replies are much

easier and faster.

 

Richard

 

 

"Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

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The date and time was 2/3/2008 4:56 AM, and on a whim, Richard Eagle

pounded out on the keyboard:

> In one thread on one of our groups we had 434 replies and some at least

> 12 levels deep, and all replies were of course top posted. Are you saying

> that it would have been easier to follow/read that thread if we had all

> bottom posted our replies? It's a simple yes or no question. I say no.

> What say you?

>

> Richard

>

>

 

 

It is quite simple. No. It is quite rare when EVERYONE will top post

or EVERYONE will bottom post.

 

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MICHAEL wrote:

> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

> <none@none.not> wrote in message news:fo5jjd$uul$1@aioe.org...

>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>> I could care less if folks top post or bottom post,

>>> this argument is so old, antiquated and outdated

>>> I find it hard to believe folks still go on about it.

>>>

>>> John, I do find you to be a helpful MVP and you've

>>> been in this group a long time like I have.

>>> However, I do find your sig quite obnoxiously long.

>>> 15 lines is just too much.

>>>

>>> Since I find your postings generally have value,

>>> blocking you is not an option. I do wish you'd

>>> shorten your sig, though.

>>

>> Let me then apologize for having an obnoxiously long sig. :)

>

> I may not like it, but I do enjoy reading your posts. -)

>

>

>

> -Michael

 

Awww, thanks! :)

 

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creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

I agree. I much prefer top posting ... after an hour or so of reading, I get

tired and start skipping bottom posts ...

 

.... vanilla

 

 

"Richard Eagle" <Richard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> On most groups, yes it would be quite rare, and it will never happen on

> this

> group. Top posting only is the way we do it on our own private groups, and

> especially in a thread with so many replies/levels, top replies are much

> easier and faster.

>

> Richard

>

>

> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

> news:u8v3RU1ZIHA.5784@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> The date and time was 2/3/2008 4:56 AM, and on a whim, Richard Eagle

> pounded out on the keyboard:

>

>> In one thread on one of our groups we had 434 replies and some at least

>> 12 levels deep, and all replies were of course top posted. Are you saying

>> that it would have been easier to follow/read that thread if we had all

>> bottom posted our replies? It's a simple yes or no question. I say no.

>> What say you?

>>

>> Richard

>>

>>

>

>

> It is quite simple. No. It is quite rare when EVERYONE will top post

> or EVERYONE will bottom post.

>

> --

> Terry R.

>

> ***Reply Note***

> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.

> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Same here....really some make a "one and only true religion" out of their views on ng posting.

 

Charlie

 

"vanilla" <vanilla@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:OT5y5OJaIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I agree. I much prefer top posting ... after an hour or so of reading, I get

> tired and start skipping bottom posts ...

>

> ... vanilla

>

>

> "Richard Eagle" <Richard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:OkSMgj5ZIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> On most groups, yes it would be quite rare, and it will never happen on

>> this

>> group. Top posting only is the way we do it on our own private groups, and

>> especially in a thread with so many replies/levels, top replies are much

>> easier and faster.

>>

>> Richard

>>

>>

>> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

>> news:u8v3RU1ZIHA.5784@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> The date and time was 2/3/2008 4:56 AM, and on a whim, Richard Eagle

>> pounded out on the keyboard:

>>

>>> In one thread on one of our groups we had 434 replies and some at least

>>> 12 levels deep, and all replies were of course top posted. Are you saying

>>> that it would have been easier to follow/read that thread if we had all

>>> bottom posted our replies? It's a simple yes or no question. I say no.

>>> What say you?

>>>

>>> Richard

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>> It is quite simple. No. It is quite rare when EVERYONE will top post

>> or EVERYONE will bottom post.

>>

>> --

>> Terry R.

>>

>> ***Reply Note***

>> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.

>> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:24:34 -0500, "Mark R. Cusumano"

<spam@bitbucket.com> wrote:

>"john sumner" <js33441NOSPAM@aol.com> wrote in message

>news:Xns9A3A47229A66jp33441aolcom@news.albasani.net...

>> Paul Knudsen . wrote in

>> news:d38dq39u0708m4ajclab2h77ujpk0ntm84@4ax.com:

>>

>>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:51:43 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>And I wish everyone would top post. I doubt either of us will get our

>>>>wish.

>>>

>>> Since I won't see it, I'll get mine!

>>>

>>> Bye bye loser

>>

>> Have you looked in the mirror lately.

>>

>I often wonder why people felt the need to announce they were putting

>someone in their killfile. I have several people in mine and I never felt

>the need to tell them. A guess we are supposed to feel hurt he no longer

>reads our posts... :'-( <G>

 

 

I'm not sure I can go on living....

I agree 100%. If you top post, others can save time if they are following

the thread. If you don't remember you can still scroll down and catch up.

 

 

D K Hacker

 

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"John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

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> Sorry, there is no way I am bottom posting. Top posting is more

> convenient. Having to scroll through lines and lines of previous posts is

> time consuming I have better things to do with my time.

>

> --

> --

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> Associate Expert

> Windows - Shell/User

>

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>

> "john sumner" <js33441NOSPAM@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:Xns9A366DD825877jp33441aolcom@news.albasani.net...

>>I am not a net cop, but i wish the people in this news group would stop

>>the

>> top posting, bottom post please.

>

If he doesn't have time to go and find out what he's referring to, he

doesn't have time to read the stuff above the bottom quoter's reply either.

Therefore, he might get something from the top post, but he will not have

the time to get anything from a bottom post.

 

D K Hacker

 

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"Mark R. Cusumano" <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote in message

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> Actually I stand corrected. If you are going to post a one word response

> such as ... WHY? you should bottom post or at least place your post in

> context to the message you are replying to. Top posting a one word answer

> is a but confusing. Take the time and assume the other person doesn't

> have the time to go find out what you are referring to and include it in

> your answer.

>

> --

> Mark R. Cusumano

> Skype Name: mark.cusumano

> Web: http://The-Padded-Cell.spaces.live.com

>

>

>

> "Twayne" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message

> news:EAOoj.13603$K%.2878@trnddc04...

>> Why?

>>

>>

>>> john sumner <js33441NOSPAM@aol.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in

>>>

>>>>> Yep, only one thing worse that Live Mail for newsgroup use....

>>>>> a web interface !

>>>>

>>>> Thats why i have google in my bozo bin, too many cluless people,

>>>> makes the old aol look a lot smarter<BG>

>>>

>>> Agreed but I've found I finally had to scorefile people using the

>>> horrible CDO for posting, again, too many clueless people.

>>>

>>> BTW, you might want to update your copy of Xnews, your version is 6

>>> years old and there have been a lot of new releases since. The

>>> current version is 2006.08.24

>>>

>>> Reference:

>>> http://blinkynet.net/comp/xnewsrels.html

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Twayne

>>

>> Tired of MS Office and their shananigans?

>> Try this free replacement:

>> http://www.openoffice.org

>>

And how does anything become part of Netiquette? It does so by the

predominate usage. Soooooo, if top posting becomes more prevalent than

bottom posting, the bottom posters will be violating Netiquette.

 

D K Hacker

 

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"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message

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> "Mark R. Cusumano" <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote:

>

>> I just get a little concerned when people seem to have the need to

>> impose their standard on others.

>

> Some of us are trying to impose Usenet standards on others. We

> don't make these things up, they are part of long established

> Netiquette.

>

> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html

>

> Check item 3, then Google for articles about Netiquette. If you're

> going to post you should learn how to do so correctly.

>

>

>

> --

> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups

> The Usenet Improvement Project:

> http://improve-usenet.org

Now who's the loser? When you have to resort to cursing, you have lost the

debate!

 

 

D K Hacker

 

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"MICHAEL" <u158627_7@dslr.net> wrote in message

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> "Paul Knudsen" . wrote in message

> news:d38dq39u0708m4ajclab2h77ujpk0ntm84@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:51:43 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>And I wish everyone would top post. I doubt either of us will get our

>>>wish.

>>

>> Since I won't see it, I'll get mine!

>>

>> Bye bye loser

>

> Just STFU and do it, you gawd dam dipsh!t.

>

>

> -Michael

Danno wrote:

> I agree 100%. If you top post, others can save time if they are following

> the thread. If you don't remember you can still scroll down and catch up.

>

>

> D K Hacker

>

Do you have any idea of how Usenet works? What makes you think a full thread

will exist on all servers? Some messages for one reason or another don't

get through to all Usenet servers. Some servers have much lower retention

rates than others, so threads can disappear and the only way to follow a

discussion is to properly quote it. Also for those seeking help later by

searching a newsgroup archive and getting to a particular post, if the

quotes don't show up, the help is probably useless. What does it take to

get these simple concepts through your head. It's not a question of how one

prefers to post or prefers to read a single post. There's a reason that top

posting is bad on Usenet, but you fail to comprehend the arguments. Just

another stubborn Wintard.

 

Cheers.

 

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and type lusrmgr.msc."

^^^^^

I must say the developers at Microsoft do have a sense of humour.

 

AlexB: "Stick with MS. Follow the WAY." ... sounds like a born-again Vista

Fanboy

A thousand pardons Oh Great Panjandrum.

 

I think you prove my point nicely. If you will note, in my post the entire

thread was quoted. Hoever, in your oh-so-correct bottom post, you lost some

of the thread.

 

If you will go back and check the original message, we were not talking

about all of the Usenet or all of the servers. We were talking about this

newsgroup. It has been my observation, that a thread has a very limited

lifespan. It stops getting new posts in just a matter of a few days. As

for checking archives, you can always just search the thread topic and

lo-and-behold all the posts will appear.

 

And in case you haven't noticed the internet is dynamic, not static. As

usage of the 'net has changed the net has changed. If the majority of users

stop top posting, the 'net will simply adapt to avoid the problems you bring

up.

 

And finally, as I have mentioned before, when you have to start calling

names you've lost the arguement.

 

 

D K Hacker

 

 

 

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"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> Danno wrote:

>

>> I agree 100%. If you top post, others can save time if they are

>> following

>> the thread. If you don't remember you can still scroll down and catch

>> up.

>>

>>

>> D K Hacker

>>

> Do you have any idea of how Usenet works? What makes you think a full

> thread

> will exist on all servers? Some messages for one reason or another don't

> get through to all Usenet servers. Some servers have much lower retention

> rates than others, so threads can disappear and the only way to follow a

> discussion is to properly quote it. Also for those seeking help later by

> searching a newsgroup archive and getting to a particular post, if the

> quotes don't show up, the help is probably useless. What does it take to

> get these simple concepts through your head. It's not a question of how

> one

> prefers to post or prefers to read a single post. There's a reason that

> top

> posting is bad on Usenet, but you fail to comprehend the arguments. Just

> another stubborn Wintard.

>

> Cheers.

>

> --

> Frank's Brain Activity Plotted (watch the red line):

> http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/Astronomy2/PreformanceMonitor.jpg

>

> AlexB: "If it is Business or Ultimate open Command Prompt as administrator

> and type lusrmgr.msc."

> ^^^^^

> I must say the developers at Microsoft do have a sense of humour.

>

> AlexB: "Stick with MS. Follow the WAY." ... sounds like a born-again Vista

> Fanboy

"Danno" <rubyjack@frontiernet.net> wrote in message

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> If you will go back and check the original message, we were not talking

> about all of the Usenet or all of the servers. We were talking about this

> newsgroup.

 

"Foot", "shoot" and "in the" come to mind.

"This news group" does NOT just exist on THIS server. It is propagated over

many many thousands of news servers across the globe.

I subscribe to at LEAST five different news servers which ALL carry this

group. And yes - sometimes posts ARE "lost in the ethernet" and do NOT

arrive at ALL the news servers.

"The first," not," and "time" come to my mind :-)

 

Chastised,

Dan

 

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"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

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> "Danno" <rubyjack@frontiernet.net> wrote in message

> news:eeH5TbTcIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> If you will go back and check the original message, we were not talking

>> about all of the Usenet or all of the servers. We were talking about

>> this newsgroup.

>

> "Foot", "shoot" and "in the" come to mind.

> "This news group" does NOT just exist on THIS server. It is propagated

> over many many thousands of news servers across the globe.

> I subscribe to at LEAST five different news servers which ALL carry this

> group. And yes - sometimes posts ARE "lost in the ethernet" and do NOT

> arrive at ALL the news servers.

>

"The first," not," and "time" come to my mind :-)

 

Chastised,

Dan

 

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"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

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> "Danno" <rubyjack@frontiernet.net> wrote in message

> news:eeH5TbTcIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> If you will go back and check the original message, we were not talking

>> about all of the Usenet or all of the servers. We were talking about

>> this newsgroup.

>

> "Foot", "shoot" and "in the" come to mind.

> "This news group" does NOT just exist on THIS server. It is propagated

> over many many thousands of news servers across the globe.

> I subscribe to at LEAST five different news servers which ALL carry this

> group. And yes - sometimes posts ARE "lost in the ethernet" and do NOT

> arrive at ALL the news servers.

>

 

 

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"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

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> "Danno" <rubyjack@frontiernet.net> wrote in message

> news:eeH5TbTcIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> If you will go back and check the original message, we were not talking

>> about all of the Usenet or all of the servers. We were talking about

>> this newsgroup.

>

> "Foot", "shoot" and "in the" come to mind.

> "This news group" does NOT just exist on THIS server. It is propagated

> over many many thousands of news servers across the globe.

> I subscribe to at LEAST five different news servers which ALL carry this

> group. And yes - sometimes posts ARE "lost in the ethernet" and do NOT

> arrive at ALL the news servers.

>