"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" <none@none.not> wrote

in message news:fo5jjd$uul$1@aioe.org...

> MICHAEL wrote:

>> I could care less if folks top post or bottom post,

>> this argument is so old, antiquated and outdated

>> I find it hard to believe folks still go on about it.

>>

>> John, I do find you to be a helpful MVP and you've

>> been in this group a long time like I have.

>> However, I do find your sig quite obnoxiously long.

>> 15 lines is just too much.

>>

>> Since I find your postings generally have value,

>> blocking you is not an option. I do wish you'd

>> shorten your sig, though.

>

> Let me then apologize for having an obnoxiously long sig. :)

 

I may not like it, but I do enjoy reading your posts. -)

 

 

 

-Michael

> I think your statement is false concerning bottom posters.

 

You are entitled to your opinion

> In all Usenet reality, (which you are not part of) posting at the bottom

 

I have been a part of the Usenet community since the early 1990's

> of quoted text makes it easy for people to read the complete thread as

> following it is easy. You and others who top post break the fluidity of

> the thread which is a shame. Why be self centered, just post the way that

> is appropriate and Usenet community accepted. Can you handle that?

 

I can handle both top posters and bottom poster, I prefer reading the posts

of top posters then reading the posts of bottom posters but I don't feel the

need to chastise either. This is after all a community and I just ignore

those posts which I do not find edifying.

 

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"john sumner" <js33441NOSPAM@aol.com> wrote in message

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> "Mark R. Cusumano" <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote in

> news:PuudnXepVYP16jnanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com:

>

>> Actually for the most part this newsgroup is EXTREMELY informative. I

>> can't tell you the number of things I have learned reading this group

>> from the many people who have contributed information here. I just

>> ignore most of the conversation as background noise and static.

>

> Mark i agree about that, have learned a lot about it, since i have joined

> and i guess about top posting i am somewhat old school<G>

 

That's OK, as I said in a previous post, unless the entire post is generally

visible on the screen, the major reason I prefer reading top posted messages

is I want to read the most recent post first and if I find it interesting

(and haven't previously read the thread the day before) I can scroll and

catch the whole thread. But in no case do I find the need to force my

opinion on others. Bottom posting doesn't bother me anymore then top

posting does.

 

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True, I think the poster is usually competent enough to determine which way

to post so that his message gets through that's why I usually don't sweat

which way people post. I just get a little concerned when people seem to

have the need to impose their standard on others.

 

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"Bob" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message

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> Hi Mark,

> Even with a one word answer top posting works fine if the relevant info

> one is replying to is included directly below.

>

> "Mark R. Cusumano" <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote in message

> news:7dadnW5-j6Xp5TnanZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...

>> Actually I stand corrected. If you are going to post a one word response

>> such as ... WHY? you should bottom post or at least place your post in

>> context to the message you are replying to. Top posting a one word

>> answer is a but confusing. Take the time and assume the other person

>> doesn't have the time to go find out what you are referring to and

>> include it in your answer.

>>

>> --

>> Mark R. Cusumano

>> Skype Name: mark.cusumano

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>>

>>

>>

>> "Twayne" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message

>> news:EAOoj.13603$K%.2878@trnddc04...

>>> Why?

>

"john sumner" <js33441NOSPAM@aol.com> wrote in message

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> "Bob" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in

> news:mf6dnU_LTKY95jnanZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@comcast.com:

>

>> Hi Mark,

>> Even with a one word answer top posting works fine if the relevant

>> info one is replying to is included directly below.

> I do try not to have one word answers, but sometimes it is too tempting<G>

 

Why?

 

<grin>

 

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> Usenet has been around a long long time now (way before the web) and has

> established proper ways of doing things. Top posting is NOT one the proper

> ways to post on Usenet. If you can't understand this, then you're either

> dumb or worse, you're totally inconsiderate and picking up the bad habits

> of most of the MVPs around here.

>

> Cheers.

 

I'm guessing by the "Cheers" sign off you are British. Of course being a

member of the Ubuntu community makes you immediately suspect....

> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:03:28 -0800

> Organization: Ubuntu Community

> Lines: 54

 

And being British you guys even DRIVE on the wrong side of the road so how

can I take you seriously?

 

<tongue planted firmly in cheek>

 

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"Mark R. Cusumano" <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote in

>

> Why?

>

> <grin>

I don`t really know<G>

"Mark R. Cusumano" <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote:

> I just get a little concerned when people seem to have the need to

> impose their standard on others.

 

Some of us are trying to impose Usenet standards on others. We

don't make these things up, they are part of long established

Netiquette.

 

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html

 

Check item 3, then Google for articles about Netiquette. If you're

going to post you should learn how to do so correctly.

 

 

 

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"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message

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> "Mark R. Cusumano" <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote:

>

>> I just get a little concerned when people seem to have the need to

>> impose their standard on others.

>

> Some of us are trying to impose Usenet standards on others. We

> don't make these things up, they are part of long established

> Netiquette.

>

> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html

>

> Check item 3, then Google for articles about Netiquette. If you're

> going to post you should learn how to do so correctly.

 

Why don't you check your asss for who gives a fukk.

 

 

-Michael

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:52:38 -0500, "Mark R. Cusumano"

<spam@bitbucket.com> wrote:

>Actually, in most cases I don't need to read the quoted text

 

About to delete 99 posts and filter top-posting loser!

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:18:24 -0500, "Bob" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote:

>Even with a one word answer top posting works fine if the relevant info one

>is replying to is included directly below.

 

1628 (!!!) from THIS top-posting loser about to be deleted!

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:51:43 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net>

wrote:

>And I wish everyone would top post. I doubt either of us will get our

>wish.

 

Since I won't see it, I'll get mine!

 

Bye bye loser

Paul Knudsen . wrote in

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> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:51:43 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net>

> wrote:

>

>>And I wish everyone would top post. I doubt either of us will get our

>>wish.

>

> Since I won't see it, I'll get mine!

>

> Bye bye loser

 

Have you looked in the mirror lately.

"Paul Knudsen" . wrote in message

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> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:52:38 -0500, "Mark R. Cusumano"

> <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote:

>

>>Actually, in most cases I don't need to read the quoted text

>

> About to delete 99 posts and filter top-posting loser!

 

Please, filter me, too.

 

Thanks, you afterbirth goober.

 

 

-Michael

"Paul Knudsen" . wrote in message

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> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:51:43 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net>

> wrote:

>

>>And I wish everyone would top post. I doubt either of us will get our

>>wish.

>

> Since I won't see it, I'll get mine!

>

> Bye bye loser

 

Just STFU and do it, you gawd dam dipsh!t.

 

 

-Michael

Who are you apologising for, yourself or me?

 

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"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

<none@none.not> wrote in message news:fo5jjd$uul$1@aioe.org...

> MICHAEL wrote:

>> I could care less if folks top post or bottom post,

>> this argument is so old, antiquated and outdated

>> I find it hard to believe folks still go on about it.

>>

>> John, I do find you to be a helpful MVP and you've

>> been in this group a long time like I have.

>> However, I do find your sig quite obnoxiously long.

>> 15 lines is just too much.

>>

>> Since I find your postings generally have value,

>> blocking you is not an option. I do wish you'd

>> shorten your sig, though.

>>

>>

>> -Michael

>

> Let me then apologize for having an obnoxiously long sig. :)

>

>>

>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:773448EF-F12A-470A-8788-29FA41824CCB@microsoft.com...

>>> Well said, Richard!

>>>

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>>> "Richard Eagle" <Richard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23SZjOkaZIHA.3652@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Why? Top posting is easier and faster when reading replies in a thread.

>>>> No

>>>> having to scroll down to the bottom to read a reply. I've never

>>>> understood

>>>> why anyone would bottom post. I own some newsgroups and everyone

>>>> has always top posted their replies. It's the common sense natural way

>>>> to do

>>>> it, and it would never even occur to anyone on our groups to bottom

>>>> post a

>>>> reply. Sometimes the threads can get quite long and it would be a huge

>>>> waste

>>>> of time if we had to scroll down to read the next reply in each message

>>>> if

>>>> people bottom posted their replies. It would be crazy to use bottom

>>>> posting

>>>> with a thread that might have replies a dozen levels deep. With top

>>>> posting

>>>> you can read the thread and follow the conversation quickly and easily.

>>>> I'm

>>>> wondering...do you group your messages by conversation? I use OE in XP

>>>> and

>>>> Windows Mail in Vista as newsreaders and have always grouped messages

>>>> by

>>>> conversation.

>>>>

>>>> Richard

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "john sumner" <js33441NOSPAM@aol.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:Xns9A366DD825877jp33441aolcom@news.albasani.net...

>>>> I am not a net cop, but i wish the people in this news group would stop

>>>> the

>>>> top posting, bottom post please.

>

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The date and time was 2/2/2008 6:18 AM, and on a whim, Bob pounded out

on the keyboard:

> Hi Mark,

> Even with a one word answer top posting works fine if the relevant info one

> is replying to is included directly below.

>

 

That is impossible when using a mail client that knows what to do with a

delimiter, and the Windows mail clients do not. Inserting a delimiter

after a sig when top posting (as Windows mail clients do by default), a

proper newsreader will remove all text below the delimiter, so there

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The date and time was 2/2/2008 6:35 AM, and on a whim, Richard Eagle

pounded out on the keyboard:

> Why? Top posting is easier and faster when reading replies in a thread. No

> having to scroll down to the bottom to read a reply. I've never understood

> why anyone would bottom post. I own some newsgroups and everyone

> has always top posted their replies. It's the common sense natural way to do

> it, and it would never even occur to anyone on our groups to bottom post a

> reply. Sometimes the threads can get quite long and it would be a huge waste

> of time if we had to scroll down to read the next reply in each message if

> people bottom posted their replies. It would be crazy to use bottom posting

> with a thread that might have replies a dozen levels deep. With top posting

> you can read the thread and follow the conversation quickly and easily. I'm

> wondering...do you group your messages by conversation? I use OE in XP and

> Windows Mail in Vista as newsreaders and have always grouped messages by

> conversation.

>

> Richard

>

 

It doesn't sound like you have been around newsgroups very long, or only

since MS introduced their faulty news client.

 

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> Well said, Richard!

>

 

What did Richard say? Oh that's right, your client doesn't know that

it's WRONG to insert a delimiter when top posting. OOPS...

 

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> In one thread on one of our groups we had 434 replies and some at least

> 12 levels deep, and all replies were of course top posted. Are you saying

> that it would have been easier to follow/read that thread if we had all

> bottom posted our replies? It's a simple yes or no question. I say no.

> What say you?

>

> Richard

>

>

 

 

It is quite simple. No. It is quite rare when EVERYONE will top post

or EVERYONE will bottom post.

 

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> Who are you apologising for, yourself or me?

>

 

I was apologizing for my sig. Sorry, did not mean to imply otherwise.

 

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> John Barnett MVP wrote:

>> Who are you apologising for, yourself or me?

>>

>

> I was apologizing for my sig. Sorry, did not mean to imply otherwise.

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"MICHAEL" <u158627_7@dslr.net> wrote in message

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> "Paul Knudsen" . wrote in message

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>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:52:38 -0500, "Mark R. Cusumano"

>> <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote:

>>

>>>Actually, in most cases I don't need to read the quoted text

>>

>> About to delete 99 posts and filter top-posting loser!

>

> Please, filter me, too.

>

> Thanks, you afterbirth goober.

>

He must think we care if we are in his killfile -J

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> Paul Knudsen . wrote in

> news:d38dq39u0708m4ajclab2h77ujpk0ntm84@4ax.com:

>

>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:51:43 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>And I wish everyone would top post. I doubt either of us will get our

>>>wish.

>>

>> Since I won't see it, I'll get mine!

>>

>> Bye bye loser

>

> Have you looked in the mirror lately.

>

I often wonder why people felt the need to announce they were putting

someone in their killfile. I have several people in mine and I never felt

the need to tell them. A guess we are supposed to feel hurt he no longer

reads our posts... :'-( <G>

 

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> "MICHAEL" <u158627_7@dslr.net> wrote in message news:Ovt7f#uZIHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> "Paul Knudsen" . wrote in message

>> news:eo7dq3dseik7l5ktlkotogr15e2oovl5ga@4ax.com...

>>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 08:52:38 -0500, "Mark R. Cusumano"

>>> <spam@bitbucket.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>Actually, in most cases I don't need to read the quoted text

>>>

>>> About to delete 99 posts and filter top-posting loser!

>>

>> Please, filter me, too.

>>

>> Thanks, you afterbirth goober.

>>

> He must think we care if we are in his killfile -J

 

I love them fools who must make idiotic proclamations

that they are killfilling someone. Goobers!

 

 

-Michael