On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:04:55 -0600, Synapse Syndrome wrote

(in article <#l9bSeyYIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>):

> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message

> news:mr-BF4CFF.09551930012008@News.Individual.NET...

>>>

>>>> Daniel, don't be stupid, the MacBook is about twice the size, weight

>>>> and

>>>> about the same speed. The MacBook Air is easily the thinnest, most

>>>> powerful laptop in the world, and will be for several years to come.

>>>

>>> Unless you want firewire.

>>>

>>> Unless you want multiple USB ports.

>>>

>>> Unless you want more memory capacity.

>>>

>>> Unless you want more storage capacity.

>>>

>>> Unless you want ExpressCard/34.

>>>

>>> Unless you want multiple batteries to quick change on a long

>>> flight or elsewhere.

>>

>> Unless you want fourteen 1TB drives in a RAID.

>>

>> Unless you want four graphics cards

>>

>> Unless you want 32GB of RAM

>

>

> Yeah, like those are normal laptop features. D'uh..

 

He does seem rather confused about the plot.

 

--

Lefty

All of God's creatures have a place..........

..........right next to the potatoes and gravy.

See also: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif

"John Slade" <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:

>

> Yea in this way this newsgroup is unique. I've never seen the same

> people stay this stupid for this long. I mean they get proven wrong over

> and over agian. They get corrected and then they act like it never happened.

> It's like some insane little cult.

 

Speaking of correcting John Slade...

 

....who claims that DIY assemblies typifies the market (yet ignores

that 49% are now laptops)

 

....who claims that you can never DIY repair an OEM PC: only one that

you originally built from scratch

 

....who doesn't know what a Patent is (such as 6,776,497)

 

....who claimed that Microsoft Surface is "new" and

"innovative" (failing to notice that they had also demo'ed it at the

2006 CES).

 

....oh, and that the multi-touch iPhone exists (and has actually made

it to the marketplace)

 

 

....and who promptly killfiles anyone who drop-kicks his skinny ass

across the room

 

"You're banished! I'm getting a new tucker-inner! Banished, banished,

banished!"

 

 

Yup, "Slade" boy is almost as sane as Prince Hapnick.

 

 

 

-hh

Lefty Bigfoot <nu...@busyness.info> wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote:

>

> > -hh wrote:

>

> > < snip Mac users bullshit >

> >

> > This has what to do exactly with linux? Or with windows?

 

Answer: "John Slade" is **not** a Mac user. Currently, I'm not either

(check this post's headers).

 

> > You are aware that you twits (typical Mac users, no doubt)

> > crosspost your inane garbage into more groups than the

> > one reserved for cretins (CSMA)?

>

> This is an interesting complaint, since I've noticed a lot of

> your posts being cross-posted in the other direction lately.  

 

Exactly.

 

Peter is proving that he is a hypocrite by daring to complain when

someone does to him what he is currently doing to others.

 

As the slang goes: "He can dish it out, but he can't take it".

 

> Practice what you preach, and it will inspire others to follow

> your lead.

 

 

 

By cross-posting *back*, this is a PSA that is purposefully using the

same lame "tactic" that Peter Köhlmann has initiated, specifically to

illustrate how lame it is.

 

 

I don't want to 'pollute' Peter's "home" discussion groups in revenge

for how Peter is currently polluting in other people's home discussion

groups. What I want is for Peter to stop his polluting of CSMA.

 

The only person who can change this is Peter.

 

And for Peter to now complain about it is high irony, because by doing

so, he is ultimately criticizing himself and thus revealing himself as

a hypocrite.

 

 

-hh

On Jan 30, 3:04 am, Lefty Bigfoot <nu...@busyness.info> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:01:58 -0600,y_p_wwrote

> (in article

> <65bd62d1-5daa-40d9-bba5-

> 1d435e7bf...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):

>

> > Apple's design uses only a few light sources using "optical guides" to

> > route the light to each key, and can include routing normally "wasted"

> > light from the backlight.  I have yet to see an example outside of

> > Apple that doesn't glow between the key, is as thin as Apple's lit

> > keyboards, or comes on a notebook computer.  All of the examples shown

> > in this thread have a glow between the keys.

 

Then I stand corrected. I don't have a MacBook Pro and haven't done

anything more than play with one in a well lit room. I went by the

animations of the MBP on the Apple website which don't show any

leakage of light around the keys.

 

However - I still haven't seen any other implementation of such in a

notebook computer, where getting it thin is the key. In any case,

Apple has a unique, patented implementation. The patent itself noted

that previous lighted keyboard implementations had problems because

they took up space between the keys and plate and either reduced key

travel or required an increase in thickness.

"unknown" wrote:

>

 

Who cares? Why do you continue to post this comment? I refuse to use

anything Intel due to their monopolistic business practices. It is common

knowledge that Intel uses illegal and unethical practices to corner the

market.

 

C.B.

Peter Köhlmann . wrote:

> -hh wrote:

>>

> > As the slang goes: "He can dish it out, but he can't take it".

>

> You mean, when I *answer* an idiot from CSMA... I

> should not set follow-up to your group of total cretins?

 

Correct, you should not.

 

Insofar as why, there's a variety of reasons. The simplest is that it

makes you no better than the trolls.

 

> I am *not* interested in the garbage you and your ilk spout.

> Not a tiny little bit. And I also don't care for what you morons

> take as an "answer"

 

Do you realize that what you claim is a complete and utter lie?

 

The reason why its a lie is because your *actions* disprove what you

*say*: if you honestly didn't care, then you wouldn't have bothered

to have responded. EVER. The fact that you have responded is the

proof that you do care, despite your claims to the contrary.

 

> For that very reason I don't care for your idiotic CSMA. I don't read it,

> and you can have it for yourself.

 

By you responding to trolls -- at all -- you are rewarding their bad

behavior, which merely encourages them to troll you more: you've

allowed yourself to be manipulated - - congratulations, LOSER!

 

And now that you're doing "revenge" trolling, it means that that you

are not only no better than they are, but actually as bad as what you

*accuse* them of. Thus, Peter is a *double* loser.

 

> And keep your cretins there.

 

And just how is one supposed to do that?

Specifics, please.

 

And also prove that your method actually works by using it to stop the

trolling into CSMA being performed by Peter Köhlmann.

 

> They can exchange their grunts there to their hearts

> content, without pouring their filth across usenet

 

Oh, what a wonderful Lebensraum ideological expression, from Peter,

the Defender of Usenet!! It matters not that it is hypocracy. It

matters not that it is bigotry. And it matters not what the

"Volksverhetzung" in Peter's local German penal code says about it at

all.

 

 

-hh

"Lefty Bigfoot" <nunya@busyness.info> wrote in message

news:0001HW.C3C4104E0032FA8AF01846D8@news.verizon.net...

>

> I have a MBP with it, and I don't find it amazing at all. In

> fact, I have it set to 0% so it doesn't just waste battery

> clicking on/off when you move your hands over the sensors in

> normal use in moderately low light conditions.

>

 

This guy does not even have a Powerbook, let alone a Macbook. If he did, he

would not be so excited about the keyboard that lights up. It just doesn't

add up.

 

ss.

In article <#l9bSeyYIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote:

> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message

> news:mr-BF4CFF.09551930012008@News.Individual.NET...

> >>

> >> > Daniel, don't be stupid, the MacBook is about twice the size, weight

> >> > and

> >> > about the same speed. The MacBook Air is easily the thinnest, most

> >> > powerful laptop in the world, and will be for several years to come.

> >>

> >> Unless you want firewire.

> >>

> >> Unless you want multiple USB ports.

> >>

> >> Unless you want more memory capacity.

> >>

> >> Unless you want more storage capacity.

> >>

> >> Unless you want ExpressCard/34.

> >>

> >> Unless you want multiple batteries to quick change on a long

> >> flight or elsewhere.

> >

> > Unless you want fourteen 1TB drives in a RAID.

> >

> > Unless you want four graphics cards

> >

> > Unless you want 32GB of RAM

>

> Yeah, like those are normal laptop features. D'uh..

 

Why stop with "normal"? I want it to be extraordinaire! It's not

enough that it only has one USB port, it should have FIFTY usb ports!!

Twenty firewire ports! Dual Geforce 8800 Ultra in SLI mode! A 50-hour

battery! 10TB hard drive! A million gigabytes in ram!! Hamsters

rotating on a stick! Anything I can think of that it does not have! It

must have it, because it does not have it. it is essential! We can not

live without fourteen full-length PCI slots and fifty 5" drive bays!

It must have it!

 

Pffft, thin! It should be 2mm thick! 30" screen! measure only 10x15cm!

Full size keyboard, control pad, joystick, wacom board, gsm phone, 3g

phone, flight yoke and car wheel! It should run of air (hence the

NAME!) and have a built in espresso-maker! If it does not it must be

utter trash! And no one wil buy it!

 

--

Sandman[.net]

On Jan 30, 11:54 am, Spinner <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:10:20 -0700, Gene Jones wrote:

> >y_p_w<y_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I guarantee it isn't an infringement of any Apple patent, because

> others were there first and Apple can't patent someone else's prior

> art.

 

I don't disagree with you.

> >> I've seen any number of keyboards with translucent

> >> keys and a full backlight (including glowing between the keys). I

> >> looked up the Apple patent, and it doesn't seem to give them an

> >> exclusive right to keys being lit. What they do have is a patent for

> >> light guides that transmit light to individual keys and don't restrict

> >> key travel

>

> Light guides are old hat, too. All Apple is doing here is patenting

> their specific implementation so nobody else can clone their hardware

> verbatim.

 

Of course light guides are old hat, down to the old plastic fiber

light decorations I remember from the 70's. Light guides for a

keyboard seem to be someone a little different.

 

I went through enough of it to see the benefits of their

implementation. Varying the diameter of the light guides going to

different parts of the keyboard so that the overall effect is evenly

lit keys. Using normally wasted light from the display's backlight.

Reducing the thickness of an illuminated keyboard where there's no

need for additional thickness or reduced key travel.

> >> The Logitech glowing keyboard does seem to use a large backlight under

> >> the keyboard that gives an eerie glow between the keys. It's also an

> >> external keyboard and not as thin as a keyboard on a notebook computer.

>

> I was only refuting Gene's false claim that Apple had "innovated"

> backlighted keys. And note, by the way, that these backlighted PC

> keyboards are targeted almost exclusively at kids, gamers, and

> modders. The general PC market just isn't interested in backlighted

> keyboards because most people only use their computers in well-lighted

> rooms. For the relative few of us who need to use our laptops in the

> dark, a USB light is a far better solution because it also provides

> illumination for a scratchpad, notes, books, reference manuals,

> sorting through CD's, plugging in cables, etc. There's simply no

> reason for laptop manufacturers to bother with backlighted keyboards.

 

I disagree. Apple has chosen a different implementation, and all I

see is people dumping on it simply because they're Apple. I don't see

the big deal either way.

 

The general PC market is interested in lowest cost.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:44:11 -0500, ed wrote:

> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> wrote in message

> news:2UUnj.65237$_m.31133@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:58:30 -0500, Lefty Bigfoot wrote:

>>> The lights were an unexpected "Feature" when it arrived. I couldn't

>>> care less. They seem pointless.

>>

>> If you ever work with a laptop in a dark bar, the lights are invaluable.

>

> i don't work in dark bars, but i do work on my laptop in bed at night

> (darker than most bars), and on redeye flights w/o the lights on (darker

> than the average bar, brighter than the darkest clubs), and never seem to

> need it... can you touch type?

>

 

Yeah, I'm fairly fast at the keyboard.