vishhiita prime wrote:

> the solution to your problem is simple, and you would have avoided all the

> frustration had you came here before you got vista and asked if you should

> get it.

 

And have to listen to a know nothing idiot moron like you?

I don't think so!

>

> I would simply explain that vista is crap and should be avoided, rather you

> should get xp instead

 

Who the fukk are you? You're just an incompetent POS loser!

>

> the best way to have both os is get a computer that provides downgrade

> rights to xp, that way you have both vista and xp and you can use any one of

> them, (only one installed at a time)

 

Why? Best to actually learn Vista...if you can...LOL!

Frank

aaalp wrote:

> Babs Anthony588013 Wrote:

>> It is the fault of HP, plain and simple! If HP wanted to support the

>> scanner they would have delivered an HP driver for Vista. Over 100

>> million

>> copies sold. How many of your 3-year old HP scanners were sold?

>>

> Bull**** HP's fault.

> If my scanner or printer is running fine on MS Operating System XP, it

> should run well without any modifications on MS's new operating system

> Vista as well. It is a very simple logic. If I have a product where my

> customer is satisfied with, and I am bringing out a new product, my

> customer should not hassle with the new product, instead of that my

> customer should be able to use it much easier and faster than with the

> old one.

 

Here's a contrary example. For TEN YEARS Microsoft told application

developers NOT to use the registry as a scratch-pad. With Vista, they

enforced that standard as a security enhancement. Now, programs have to have

a hall-pass from God to write to the registry. And the permission slip has

to be notarized!

 

With that one change by Microsoft, every prior version of Quickbooks - the

nation's largest-selling accounting software - failed to function.

 

It may be, in your case, that HP drivers were violating a standard, making

use of an undocumented feature, or other non-acceptable practice. Microsoft

publishes the standards - it is up to developers to adhere to those

requirements if they want their stuff to work. The converse is not true: it

is not Microsoft's responsibility to accommodate every wicked construct that

developers come up with.

But why not read a typical day from your diary Frank?

 

see here

 

This is a typical day of our newsgroup genius FRANK. Enjoy... lol

 

8:00 Frank wakes up to the vista start sound alarm he has ordered especially

made for him..

8:05 He shuffles towards the mirror and smiles. The cracked Mirror cracks

some more from the sight of his ugly maw.

8:06 He takes a good close look at his reflection and with a singing voice

declares " Ohhhh .. what a handsome guy you are todayyyyyy!!!" The

cockroaches under his bed squirm from the agony of this horrid voice.

8:10 He washes his face and notices a bottle of pills in front of him. Gee

my doctor said something about those pills..Prozac? I cant remember what

that is.. no need, Im FINE!!!! Anyway I know much more than any doctor!

HMMMFFFF!

8:12 I don't have much time for breakfast! Frank grabs a can of luncheon

meat from a drawer... he takes a look at the label:

It reads: "SPAM". Now Im an expert at THAT! He things to himself and gobbles

the whole

can down in a few gulps.. Wow..that was a heck of a tasty pig!!! I wonder if

it was wearing lipstick when they killed it.. nah.. it wasn't made in

Redmond! Ha!

8:15 TIME TO GO TO WORK!!! He shuffles towards his desk, tugs his long tail

so it wont be in the way, and sits his fat ars down on the chair.. the chair

shivers from agony from the smell and weight of his rear end (the desk in

the same room as his bed by the way) and turns on the computer....the screen

reads REDHAT LINUX 6.0, but after several minutes his trusty 486 boots up to

a vista themed GUI.

"Heck as long as it looks like vista, I don't care what it really is", he

thinks to himself and shrugs'

8:30 Let me check in to my company to see if the boys are there and working

hard. I don't pay them to be lazy anyway!

8:32 Frank calls the number.

 

Guy on the line: Hello?

 

Frank: Good morning.

 

Guy on the line: Who is this?

 

Frank: Good , you are checking who it is before you answer just like I told

you. You always have to keep an eye out for our competitors

 

Guy on the line: Ohh.. no ... its YOU again? How many times I have told you

that you should not call here!

 

Frank: Ok, I know its not nice for your Boss to keep checking on you, but we

have a company to run! How are our 17 Vista computers going? I bet they are

running fast and great..

 

Guy on the line: Look I don't know who you are and what you want, you keep

calling me in the morning and telling me a bunch of CRAP, and if you don't

stop this ill tell the cops to watch the lines and find your ars! And I

would NEVER install vista you moron!

 

Frank: Ohh don't be upset like that just because I have you only a 2000

dollar raise instead of a 3000 dollar one that you needed.

Hey I ordered that nice Peugeot car for the company directly from France! I

bet you will like that...

 

Guy on the line: F@ck off bastard! (the guy slams the phone)

 

Frank: Good boy, I trained him myself to talk like a champ!

 

9:00 Ok time to check my email.. err.. I mean my newsgroups... Frank flexes

his knuckles and cracks sound as if his bones are splintering!

9:20 (yeah its this slow because frank is still on dial up).. AHhhh what

have we here? More posts from alias, adam, and that stupid captain crunch???

HOW DARE THEY INSULT VISTA>. let me just reply to them...

9:25 Frank grabs a worn down book from a shelf titled: "1000 best insults

and how to use them". "Ahh this is my favorite book" he says to

himself..."this is where I get all my great inspiration from!" Boy am I a

genius!!!

9:30 am to 11:30 pm... Frank cycles through the events from 8:32 am to 9:25

am again and again and again

 

11:45pm Geee that was a busy and full day... got to get to bed soon because

tomorrow I have more of this very important work.

 

12:00 Frank is in bed counting and dreaming of sheep jumping on top of each

other.... "I bet alias would love to be here.. but now I have these sheep to

myself.. all mine.. come to me you white wooly creatures.. "

 

 

 

"Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

news:O5Ayz0TqIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> vishhiita prime wrote:

>

>> the solution to your problem is simple, and you would have avoided all

>> the frustration had you came here before you got vista and asked if you

>> should get it.

>

> And have to listen to a know nothing idiot moron like you?

> I don't think so!

>>

>> I would simply explain that vista is crap and should be avoided, rather

>> you should get xp instead

>

> Who the fukk are you? You're just an incompetent POS loser!

>>

>> the best way to have both os is get a computer that provides downgrade

>> rights to xp, that way you have both vista and xp and you can use any one

>> of them, (only one installed at a time)

>

> Why? Best to actually learn Vista...if you can...LOL!

> Frank

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:56:57 -0500, aaalp wrote:

> Babs Anthony588013 Wrote:

>> It is the fault of HP, plain and simple! If HP wanted to support the

>> scanner they would have delivered an HP driver for Vista. Over 100

>> million

>> copies sold. How many of your 3-year old HP scanners were sold?

>>

> Bull**** HP's fault.

> If my scanner or printer is running fine on MS Operating System XP, it

> should run well without any modifications on MS's new operating system

> Vista as well. It is a very simple logic. If I have a product where my

> customer is satisfied with, and I am bringing out a new product, my

> customer should not hassle with the new product, instead of that my

> customer should be able to use it much easier and faster than with the

> old one.

 

I agree. Microsoft driver APIs are about as stable as a crack junkie.

Because of this vendors have a hard time keeping up. Imagine if you sell

1000 products, and have to totally re-writing drivers every 3 years and

Microsoft would have you do?

> I could call myself a mid to high informed person about computers

> compared to the person out on the street. Even I am struggling to find a

> way to the slow network transfer speeds which is a big problem for me in

> my daily business. File transfer is one of the most common things you do

> with your computer nowadays but why the hell does Vista do it much

> slower than XP, I simply don't get it. I don't care about the technical

> crap info that is behind it. For me it is important to plug the network

> cable to my laptop, and start the file transfer in Vista. If it is

> slower than my XP laptop, I do get frustrated! In general, there are a

> couple of good changes in Vista which make the OS better, but for the

> average user, I would never ever in the world recommend switching to

> Vista. Why bother, if you got a smooth running system like XP? I did

> bother, because the laptop I wanted to buy didn't have the possibility

> of having an XP installed on it. So I went for it. And I will sooner or

> later find the solutions to my problems to Vista on the net as well. But

> a normal PC User won't be able to find answers to most of their

> questions and they will get really frustrated, believe me!!

> HP's fault not supplying new drivers! Really funny. When XP came out, it

> had all the new drivers for the old machines pre-installed.

 

Slow network speeds isn't a HP problem. My latest PC isn't HP, and Vista

network performance is painfully slow. While others may say the world is

wrong and Microsoft is right, the fact remains Vista is noticeably and

much more slower on network performance than is XP. And no one seems to

have the answers to fix it.

 

So as a consumer, you only really have two choices, live with it or re-

purchase a OS that works right (double dip).

 

If you are really needing Microsoft products, get a copy of XP and

install it. Vendors of the cards and devices still have XP drivers 99%

of the time. If your are flexible and have a problem with double

dipping, do like I did and us an OS like Ubuntu or Fedora. Or if you PC

is returnable, return it.

 

Funny how MS finally gets all the kinks out of XP, and now is dumping

this for Vista. Makes me wonder.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:02:37 -0500, John wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:56:57 -0500, aaalp <guest@unknown-email.com>

> wrote:

>

>>If my scanner or printer is running fine on MS Operating System XP, it

>>should run well without any modifications on MS's new operating system

>>Vista as well. It is a very simple logic.

>

> Actually it's not logical to expect the company that writes the OS to

> support products said company did not make. It's solely up to HP to

> provide the drivers to Microsoft for the testing and inclusion into the

> OS. Even then it's up to Microsoft as to whether they want to include

> them or not based on the design parameters and the need for the specific

> driver in the userbase.

>

>> If I have a product where my

>>customer is satisfied with, and I am bringing out a new product, my

>>customer should not hassle with the new product, instead of that my

>>customer should be able to use it much easier and faster than with the

>>old one.

>

> Given that the manufacturer of that product has provided all interfaces

> (drivers in this case) for the product to be supported. Think of it like

> wheels on a car. In the 60's we used 14" wheels and most Mustangs had 4

> bolt patterns. Buy a Mustang today and it has a 17" wheel and a 5 bolt

> pattern. Not compatible at all. Unfortunately the public seems to think

> that Microsoft is the end-all-be-all and should have backwards

> compatibility from Vista 64 to Windows 3.1. Frankly I wish they'd just

> dump 32bit support and make Windows 7 in 64bit only.

>

> JD

 

Funny. You mean a company like HP (or many others) should rewrite every

driver for every product for every variant of the Microsoft product line

every 3 years?

 

Sorry, that would make a basic printer about $2000. Just because the API

and UI are unstable, and as MS states it, they want major releases every

3 years (Win7) that is stupid.

 

MS users sticking with MS aught to start considering re-purchasing

EVERYTHING they have on each MS upgrade.

Canuck57 wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:02:37 -0500, John wrote:

>

>

>>On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:56:57 -0500, aaalp <guest@unknown-email.com>

>>wrote:

>>

>>

>>>If my scanner or printer is running fine on MS Operating System XP, it

>>>should run well without any modifications on MS's new operating system

>>>Vista as well. It is a very simple logic.

>>

>>Actually it's not logical to expect the company that writes the OS to

>>support products said company did not make. It's solely up to HP to

>>provide the drivers to Microsoft for the testing and inclusion into the

>>OS. Even then it's up to Microsoft as to whether they want to include

>>them or not based on the design parameters and the need for the specific

>>driver in the userbase.

>>

>>

>>>If I have a product where my

>>>customer is satisfied with, and I am bringing out a new product, my

>>>customer should not hassle with the new product, instead of that my

>>>customer should be able to use it much easier and faster than with the

>>>old one.

>>

>>Given that the manufacturer of that product has provided all interfaces

>>(drivers in this case) for the product to be supported. Think of it like

>>wheels on a car. In the 60's we used 14" wheels and most Mustangs had 4

>>bolt patterns. Buy a Mustang today and it has a 17" wheel and a 5 bolt

>>pattern. Not compatible at all. Unfortunately the public seems to think

>>that Microsoft is the end-all-be-all and should have backwards

>>compatibility from Vista 64 to Windows 3.1. Frankly I wish they'd just

>>dump 32bit support and make Windows 7 in 64bit only.

>>

>>JD

>

>

> Funny. You mean a company like HP (or many others) should rewrite every

> driver for every product for every variant of the Microsoft product line

> every 3 years?

>

> Sorry, that would make a basic printer about $2000. Just because the API

> and UI are unstable, and as MS states it, they want major releases every

> 3 years (Win7) that is stupid.

>

> MS users sticking with MS aught to start considering re-purchasing

> EVERYTHING they have on each MS upgrade.

 

What a fukkin liar you are!

Give it up bozo.

Frank

Canuck57, the canadian lying linux troll wrote:

 

-------------------------------

 

You wouldn't know a good drive if one hit you upside your stupid

canadian bacon head...LOL!

Frank

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:08:48 GMT, Canuck57

<dave8762@nospam-please.com> wrote:

>

>Funny. You mean a company like HP (or many others) should rewrite every

>driver for every product for every variant of the Microsoft product line

>every 3 years?

 

Generally speaking companies such as HP will publish new drivers as

soon as possible to maintain their customer base. They wouldn't want

someone going out and shopping and possibly buying another

manufacturers products now would they ?

>Sorry, that would make a basic printer about $2000. Just because the API

>and UI are unstable, and as MS states it, they want major releases every

>3 years (Win7) that is stupid.

 

Not at all. Drivers are frequently updated anyway and adding the cost

of developing for a new OS is really not that much higher than regular

maintenance. Again, you simply can expect microsoft to write drivers

for eveyones hardware.

 

JD

"Canuck57" <dave8762@nospam-please.com> wrote in message

news:VmvRj.228777$pM4.60862@pd7urf1no...

> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:56:57 -0500, aaalp wrote:

>

>> Babs Anthony588013 Wrote:

>>> It is the fault of HP, plain and simple! If HP wanted to support the

>>> scanner they would have delivered an HP driver for Vista. Over 100

>>> million

>>> copies sold. How many of your 3-year old HP scanners were sold?

>>>

>> Bull**** HP's fault.

>> If my scanner or printer is running fine on MS Operating System XP, it

>> should run well without any modifications on MS's new operating system

>> Vista as well. It is a very simple logic. If I have a product where my

>> customer is satisfied with, and I am bringing out a new product, my

>> customer should not hassle with the new product, instead of that my

>> customer should be able to use it much easier and faster than with the

>> old one.

>

> I agree. Microsoft driver APIs are about as stable as a crack junkie.

> Because of this vendors have a hard time keeping up. Imagine if you sell

> 1000 products, and have to totally re-writing drivers every 3 years and

> Microsoft would have you do?

>

>> I could call myself a mid to high informed person about computers

>> compared to the person out on the street. Even I am struggling to find a

>> way to the slow network transfer speeds which is a big problem for me in

>> my daily business. File transfer is one of the most common things you do

>> with your computer nowadays but why the hell does Vista do it much

>> slower than XP, I simply don't get it. I don't care about the technical

>> crap info that is behind it. For me it is important to plug the network

>> cable to my laptop, and start the file transfer in Vista. If it is

>> slower than my XP laptop, I do get frustrated! In general, there are a

>> couple of good changes in Vista which make the OS better, but for the

>> average user, I would never ever in the world recommend switching to

>> Vista. Why bother, if you got a smooth running system like XP? I did

>> bother, because the laptop I wanted to buy didn't have the possibility

>> of having an XP installed on it. So I went for it. And I will sooner or

>> later find the solutions to my problems to Vista on the net as well. But

>> a normal PC User won't be able to find answers to most of their

>> questions and they will get really frustrated, believe me!!

>> HP's fault not supplying new drivers! Really funny. When XP came out, it

>> had all the new drivers for the old machines pre-installed.

>

> Slow network speeds isn't a HP problem. My latest PC isn't HP, and Vista

> network performance is painfully slow. While others may say the world is

> wrong and Microsoft is right, the fact remains Vista is noticeably and

> much more slower on network performance than is XP. And no one seems to

> have the answers to fix it.

>

> So as a consumer, you only really have two choices, live with it or re-

> purchase a OS that works right (double dip).

>

> If you are really needing Microsoft products, get a copy of XP and

> install it. Vendors of the cards and devices still have XP drivers 99%

> of the time. If your are flexible and have a problem with double

> dipping, do like I did and us an OS like Ubuntu or Fedora. Or if you PC

> is returnable, return it.

>

> Funny how MS finally gets all the kinks out of XP, and now is dumping

> this for Vista. Makes me wonder.

 

 

Finally get all of the kinks out? Have you visited the XP newsgroups?

 

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