"Joe cann" <joe@beerget.com> wrote in message

news:479bdbb5@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> then you have missed up on all the MINWIN story huh??

>

> Educating the vistaboys again.. ahh.... as always

>

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=minwin

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

>

> MinWin

> A minimalistic variation of the Windows kernel, known as MinWin, is being

> developed for use in Windows 7. The MinWin development efforts are aimed

> towards componentizing the Windows kernel and reducing the dependencies

> with a view to carving out the minimal set of components required to build

> a self-contained kernel as well as reducing the disk footprint and memory

> usage.[14] MinWin takes up about 25 MB on disk and has a working set

> (memory usage) of 40 MB.[15]

>

>

>

> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

> news:CF64BC9D-A25C-4BB4-9BBA-EB023BDAD876@microsoft.com...

>> "Joe cann" <joe@beerget.com> wrote in message

>> news:479bcea5$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> so what you are saying is that windows 7 will be less flexible because

>>> it will be leaner?

>>>

>>> LOL

>>>

>>> No they are redesigning it to be as far better than the monster called

>>> vista

>>

>>

>> From everything I've read Windows 7 will be based on the Vista/Server

>> 2008 code. I don't expect it to be any "leaner" than Vista or Server

>> 2008.

>>

>> --

>> Kerry Brown

>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>>

>>

>>

>

>

Ubunutu's gcc can't compile any programs. Gives a missing header error in

config.log. Tried with version 7.10.

didnt you see the follow up to your follow up frankie poo?

 

 

 

"Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

news:u0LX0eIYIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Joe cann wrote:

>> then you have missed up on all the MINWIN story huh??

>>

>> Educating the vistaboys again.. ahh.... as always

>>

>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=minwin

>>

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

>>

>> MinWin

>> A minimalistic variation of the Windows kernel, known as MinWin, is being

>> developed for use in Windows 7. The MinWin development efforts are aimed

>> towards componentizing the Windows kernel and reducing the dependencies

>> with a view to carving out the minimal set of components required to

>> build a self-contained kernel as well as reducing the disk footprint and

>> memory usage.[14] MinWin takes up about 25 MB on disk and has a working

>> set (memory usage) of 40 MB.[15]

>>

> hehehe...and I guess you missed the follow up I posted from

> neowin...hahaha...!

> You need to pay attention capin' crunch cause you are about to crash your

> space ship...LOL!

> Frank

Get a laptop that can run full Vista (4.0 and up hardware score for Vista)

and forget XP. Go Core 2 Duo T720)+, 2GB DDR2, min 128 GB DX10 graphics

(it'll be 3.4 score) for normal usage and you are set. Again, Vista needs

the new hardware, otherwise it'll be slow, driver problems and so on.

Unless you have expensives software that cannot run in Vista, there is no

reason to stick with XP.

Michael

 

 

"marpa" <marpa@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:684166AE-859D-45CB-9A1D-C4D0FE2A2E3A@microsoft.com...

>I am looking to get a new laptop...and evrything has Vista installed. I

>have

> been doing reading and know a few people who have it and don't think I

> really

> want it. I am very happy with my windows XP. Would it be difficult to

> have

> Vista removed from laptop and then have XP installed on it?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:25:04 -0500, "mayayana"

<mayaXXyana1a@mindXXspring.com> wrote:

> I noticed that a number of them had

>SATA hard disks, which will present a challenge.

 

Why do you think that? I had SATA on my last machine for two years

with no problems.

 

I'd be surprised if you actually found any new machines with IDE, or

whatever the previous standard was called.

"Joe cann" <joe@beerget.com> wrote in message

news:479bdbb5@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> then you have missed up on all the MINWIN story huh??

>

> Educating the vistaboys again.. ahh.... as always

 

 

Maybe you should educate yourself. The majority of the articles on web about

minwin are based on the material in these videos.

 

http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=365911

 

http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/conference/2007/video/UIUC-ACM-RP07-Traut.wmv

 

Have you watched them? I have. Both videos are about Server 2008 core and

hypervisor with a little bit of information about minwin as it relates to a

possible upcoming version of Windows. It sounds to me like the core of

Windows was cleaned up and separated out into a smaller kernel that could be

compiled and run separately from Windows itself. In both videos they state

there are no current plans to release minwin on it's own but only as part of

future products of which Windows 7 is one. Minwin itself contains no

windowing code. It's not clear how much of the networking stack is included.

What is very clear is that the minwin kernel is not Windows but only a small

part of it. They talk about the layers of windows and how they currently

rely on one another. The minwin kernel doesn't relay on the other layers.

There are many advantages to separating the kernel out like that. Some

advantages are discussed in both videos. Suffice it to say that the main

advantages are easier patching and better security. AFAIK the minwin kernel

is based on the windows kernels that came before it. Traut actually says

this in his presentation. It is entirely possible that in order to maintain

backwards compatibility separating out the kernel may actually make the

overall size of the next Windows release larger than Vista. All of the

current APIs have to taken into account. This may require a translation

layer. At the least the next version of Windows if it uses minwin would

require a complete windowing system and a layer to allow communicating with

the minwin kernel. I'm sure most of us will want a richer experience than

that so it's highly likely that the next version of Windows will be just as

large as Vista. This is pure speculation on my part but this speculation is

based on what little facts I have been able to find out about the next

version of Windows rather than some shallow press articles looking to sell

advertising.

 

There is another video being touted that appears to show an early version of

Windows 7. I don't know enough to say if this is legitimate or not. It looks

very much like Vista to me.

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

Joe cann wrote:

> didnt you see the follow up to your follow up frankie poo?

>

>

>

> "Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

> news:u0LX0eIYIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

>>Joe cann wrote:

>>

>>>then you have missed up on all the MINWIN story huh??

>>>

>>>Educating the vistaboys again.. ahh.... as always

>>>

>>>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=minwin

>>>

>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

>>>

>>>MinWin

>>>A minimalistic variation of the Windows kernel, known as MinWin, is being

>>>developed for use in Windows 7. The MinWin development efforts are aimed

>>>towards componentizing the Windows kernel and reducing the dependencies

>>>with a view to carving out the minimal set of components required to

>>>build a self-contained kernel as well as reducing the disk footprint and

>>>memory usage.[14] MinWin takes up about 25 MB on disk and has a working

>>>set (memory usage) of 40 MB.[15]

>>>

>>

>>hehehe...and I guess you missed the follow up I posted from

>>neowin...hahaha...!

>>You need to pay attention capin' crunch cause you are about to crash your

>>space ship...LOL!

>>Frank

>

>

>

Yes and I see you didn't really comprehend what was said.

Try taking notes as it just might be helpful.

W7 is nothing like you think it is or will be.

Sorry to burst your balloon...but sh*t happens...LOL!

Frank

whatever it will be, it will be better and faster than Crapista

 

You will remain attached to your Vista... while I will move on to the better

technology and use all technology

that includes windows, MacOSx and linux and of course the cloud that is the

future...

 

have you seen GOS? Google OS?

 

No? Shame.... I have installed it on VM... nice simple low profile

start.....

 

I am also a beta tester of a true cloud OS XION.....

 

but this is all chinese to your friken vista luvin ears...

 

 

"Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

news:O1VRywKYIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Joe cann wrote:

>

>> didnt you see the follow up to your follow up frankie poo?

>>

>>

>>

>> "Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

>> news:u0LX0eIYIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>Joe cann wrote:

>>>

>>>>then you have missed up on all the MINWIN story huh??

>>>>

>>>>Educating the vistaboys again.. ahh.... as always

>>>>

>>>>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=minwin

>>>>

>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

>>>>

>>>>MinWin

>>>>A minimalistic variation of the Windows kernel, known as MinWin, is

>>>>being developed for use in Windows 7. The MinWin development efforts are

>>>>aimed towards componentizing the Windows kernel and reducing the

>>>>dependencies with a view to carving out the minimal set of components

>>>>required to build a self-contained kernel as well as reducing the disk

>>>>footprint and memory usage.[14] MinWin takes up about 25 MB on disk and

>>>>has a working set (memory usage) of 40 MB.[15]

>>>>

>>>

>>>hehehe...and I guess you missed the follow up I posted from

>>>neowin...hahaha...!

>>>You need to pay attention capin' crunch cause you are about to crash your

>>>space ship...LOL!

>>>Frank

>>

>>

>>

> Yes and I see you didn't really comprehend what was said.

> Try taking notes as it just might be helpful.

> W7 is nothing like you think it is or will be.

> Sorry to burst your balloon...but sh*t happens...LOL!

> Frank

Joe cann586915 Wrote:

> so what you are saying is that windows 7 will be less flexible because

> it

> will be leaner?

>

> LOL

>

> No they are redesigning it to be as far better than the monster called

> vista

 

No, Windows 7 will be better because it is leaner. Over the 23 years

history of Windows, Microsoft has discovered that the core system kernel

can run more efficiently if some of its functions are moved to other

areas. Itls not that they are stripping it down.

 

Or don't you know how a modern OS operates? The core system kernel

provides only the most rudimentary functions, such as program thread

execution and memory management. Everything else, from disk access to

the user interface are nothing more than "add-ons" to that system kernel

that use those "basic" functions to extend it's own functionality.

 

This is also one of the reasons why Vista is to date the most stable

version of Windows yet. In XP (and in earlier versions of Windows),

almost all drivers executed in the same memory ring as the kernel, which

is why a buggy driver cold kill the entire system. In Vista, drivers run

in the User memory ring where they can be restarted if they have failed.

Indeed, Windows 7 should improve on the stability record of Vista

because even less code will be able to cripple the kernel.

 

I thought you wouldn't understand to concept, and I've got this

creeping feeling that no matter how many of us try to explain it to you,

you're not going to escape that solitary little reality you've created

for yourself where you consider additions and improvements in technology

to be unnecessary bloat.

 

Human history has shown that the small and antiquated will always give

way to bigger and better.

 

 

--

dzomlija

 

_____________________

Peter Alexander Dzomlija

-Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as

you die, so shall I be Reborn...-

 

-Download MP3 Media Properties Explorer: --http://www.phx.co.za-

 

- ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe

- AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+

- 4GB DDR400

- 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600

- Thermaltake Tai-Chi Chassis

- 1207GB Formatted Storage

- Vista Ultimate x64

- CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at: http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Dzomlija/Venus/

I have seen and read and I am aware of all that you say.. you are losing

your breath.. I am very well informed about ever movement Microsoft does.

 

Yes I have seen that M1 video, and the image is on torrents now for those

who want to peek into it...

 

Its only M1.. and it does LOOK like Vista, but thats because they are

working on the structure underneath now.. not the cosmetics...

 

I just hope they fix the cosmetics too because Vista has the worst interface

design since win3.1

 

 

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

news:A5373912-7AD9-4C8D-AD16-D596880C3F07@microsoft.com...

> "Joe cann" <joe@beerget.com> wrote in message

> news:479bdbb5@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> then you have missed up on all the MINWIN story huh??

>>

>> Educating the vistaboys again.. ahh.... as always

>

>

> Maybe you should educate yourself. The majority of the articles on web

> about minwin are based on the material in these videos.

>

> http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=365911

>

> http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/conference/2007/video/UIUC-ACM-RP07-Traut.wmv

>

> Have you watched them? I have. Both videos are about Server 2008 core and

> hypervisor with a little bit of information about minwin as it relates to

> a possible upcoming version of Windows. It sounds to me like the core of

> Windows was cleaned up and separated out into a smaller kernel that could

> be compiled and run separately from Windows itself. In both videos they

> state there are no current plans to release minwin on it's own but only as

> part of future products of which Windows 7 is one. Minwin itself contains

> no windowing code. It's not clear how much of the networking stack is

> included. What is very clear is that the minwin kernel is not Windows but

> only a small part of it. They talk about the layers of windows and how

> they currently rely on one another. The minwin kernel doesn't relay on the

> other layers. There are many advantages to separating the kernel out like

> that. Some advantages are discussed in both videos. Suffice it to say that

> the main advantages are easier patching and better security. AFAIK the

> minwin kernel is based on the windows kernels that came before it. Traut

> actually says this in his presentation. It is entirely possible that in

> order to maintain backwards compatibility separating out the kernel may

> actually make the overall size of the next Windows release larger than

> Vista. All of the current APIs have to taken into account. This may

> require a translation layer. At the least the next version of Windows if

> it uses minwin would require a complete windowing system and a layer to

> allow communicating with the minwin kernel. I'm sure most of us will want

> a richer experience than that so it's highly likely that the next version

> of Windows will be just as large as Vista. This is pure speculation on my

> part but this speculation is based on what little facts I have been able

> to find out about the next version of Windows rather than some shallow

> press articles looking to sell advertising.

>

> There is another video being touted that appears to show an early version

> of Windows 7. I don't know enough to say if this is legitimate or not. It

> looks very much like Vista to me.

>

> --

> Kerry Brown

> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>

>

>

Xios! Lol How could I make that mistake..

 

Xios or Chios is also an island.. hehe... anyway.. I forget Im talking to an

idiot...

 

 

"Joe cann" <joe@beerget.com> wrote in message

news:479c2fd7$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> whatever it will be, it will be better and faster than Crapista

>

> You will remain attached to your Vista... while I will move on to the

> better technology and use all technology

> that includes windows, MacOSx and linux and of course the cloud that is

> the future...

>

> have you seen GOS? Google OS?

>

> No? Shame.... I have installed it on VM... nice simple low profile

> start.....

>

> I am also a beta tester of a true cloud OS XION.....

>

> but this is all chinese to your friken vista luvin ears...

>

>

> "Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

> news:O1VRywKYIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Joe cann wrote:

>>

>>> didnt you see the follow up to your follow up frankie poo?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

>>> news:u0LX0eIYIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>Joe cann wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>then you have missed up on all the MINWIN story huh??

>>>>>

>>>>>Educating the vistaboys again.. ahh.... as always

>>>>>

>>>>>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=minwin

>>>>>

>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

>>>>>

>>>>>MinWin

>>>>>A minimalistic variation of the Windows kernel, known as MinWin, is

>>>>>being developed for use in Windows 7. The MinWin development efforts

>>>>>are aimed towards componentizing the Windows kernel and reducing the

>>>>>dependencies with a view to carving out the minimal set of components

>>>>>required to build a self-contained kernel as well as reducing the disk

>>>>>footprint and memory usage.[14] MinWin takes up about 25 MB on disk and

>>>>>has a working set (memory usage) of 40 MB.[15]

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>hehehe...and I guess you missed the follow up I posted from

>>>>neowin...hahaha...!

>>>>You need to pay attention capin' crunch cause you are about to crash

>>>>your space ship...LOL!

>>>>Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>> Yes and I see you didn't really comprehend what was said.

>> Try taking notes as it just might be helpful.

>> W7 is nothing like you think it is or will be.

>> Sorry to burst your balloon...but sh*t happens...LOL!

>> Frank

>

>

Joe cann wrote:

> whatever it will be, it will be better and faster than Crapista

 

Doing what? A lot of things in XP require 3-5 clicks that are done in

Vista with only one click. Vista is finished before XP even starts.

I guess you didn't know that right?

So sheer speed isn't everything...just like in drag racing. Speed is a

measure of mph's whereas quick is a measure of time. Low ET generally

wins. Vista is much quicker in doing a lot tasks than XP is.

>

> You will remain attached to your Vista...

 

I will use the very best available OS of the day...and that my friend is

Vista like it or not.

When something better comes out...I'll be one of the first to use it.

 

while I will move on to the better

> technology and use all technology

> that includes windows, MacOSx and linux and of course the cloud that is the

> future...

 

You certainly have clouded judgment...LOL!

Frank

Joe cann wrote:

> Xios! Lol How could I make that mistake..

>

> Xios or Chios is also an island.. hehe... anyway.. I forget Im talking to an

> idiot...

 

Yeah...you're talking to yourself...LOL!

Frank

>A lot of things in XP require 3-5 clicks that are done in Vista with only

>one click

 

like what?? On the contrary most things need more clicks on vista than on

XP, and then you have that dreaded failure of a security measure and the

laughing stock of all IT's in the world - UAC...

 

that alone makes you click BILLIONS of times more than with XP.. lol

 

Remember my Vista-Health threat post when I talked about Vista and RSI?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury

 

everything about vista shouts BAD DESIGN BY AMATEURS! Only a dork would like

it..

 

that's why YOU like it :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

news:Oh6O6bLYIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Joe cann wrote:

>> whatever it will be, it will be better and faster than Crapista

>

> Doing what? A lot of things in XP require 3-5 clicks that are done in

> Vista with only one click. Vista is finished before XP even starts.

> I guess you didn't know that right?

> So sheer speed isn't everything...just like in drag racing. Speed is a

> measure of mph's whereas quick is a measure of time. Low ET generally

> wins. Vista is much quicker in doing a lot tasks than XP is.

>>

>> You will remain attached to your Vista...

>

> I will use the very best available OS of the day...and that my friend is

> Vista like it or not.

> When something better comes out...I'll be one of the first to use it.

>

> while I will move on to the better

>> technology and use all technology

>> that includes windows, MacOSx and linux and of course the cloud that is

>> the future...

>

> You certainly have clouded judgment...LOL!

> Frank

they needed 23 years to understand that? Linux was like that right from the

start!

 

I took (lost) the time and read your utter ignorant nonsense...

 

Bigger is not better buster.. smaller faster is better...

 

 

"dzomlija" <dzomlija.33u383@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

news:dzomlija.33u383@no-mx.forums.net...

>

> Joe cann586915 Wrote:

>> so what you are saying is that windows 7 will be less flexible because

>> it

>> will be leaner?

>>

>> LOL

>>

>> No they are redesigning it to be as far better than the monster called

>> vista

>

> No, Windows 7 will be better because it is leaner. Over the 23 years

> history of Windows, Microsoft has discovered that the core system kernel

> can run more efficiently if some of its functions are moved to other

> areas. Itls not that they are stripping it down.

>

> Or don't you know how a modern OS operates? The core system kernel

> provides only the most rudimentary functions, such as program thread

> execution and memory management. Everything else, from disk access to

> the user interface are nothing more than "add-ons" to that system kernel

> that use those "basic" functions to extend it's own functionality.

>

> This is also one of the reasons why Vista is to date the most stable

> version of Windows yet. In XP (and in earlier versions of Windows),

> almost all drivers executed in the same memory ring as the kernel, which

> is why a buggy driver cold kill the entire system. In Vista, drivers run

> in the User memory ring where they can be restarted if they have failed.

> Indeed, Windows 7 should improve on the stability record of Vista

> because even less code will be able to cripple the kernel.

>

> I thought you wouldn't understand to concept, and I've got this

> creeping feeling that no matter how many of us try to explain it to you,

> you're not going to escape that solitary little reality you've created

> for yourself where you consider additions and improvements in technology

> to be unnecessary bloat.

>

> Human history has shown that the small and antiquated will always give

> way to bigger and better.

>

>

> --

> dzomlija

>

> _____________________

> Peter Alexander Dzomlija

> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as

> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-

>

> -Download MP3 Media Properties Explorer: --http://www.phx.co.za-

>

> - ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe

> - AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+

> - 4GB DDR400

> - 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600

> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Chassis

> - 1207GB Formatted Storage

> - Vista Ultimate x64

> - CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at:

> http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Dzomlija/Venus/

Joe cann587244 Wrote:

> they needed 23 years to understand that? Linux was like that right from

> the start!

>

> I took (lost) the time and read your utter ignorant nonsense...

>

> Bigger is not better buster.. smaller faster is better...

 

By your reasoning, should you not also apply that same argument to the

games you play? 30 years ago we all played Pac Man. The games have since

gotten more intricate. And they have gotten bigger. Your flawed "logic"

states that this is a bad thing.

 

Windows HAS gotten smaller and more finely tuned over the years. The

reason why it's gotten bigger is because more has been added.

 

Bigger IS better.

 

I repeat part of my post from earlier:

> I thought you wouldn't understand to concept, and I've got this creeping

> feeling that no matter how many of us try to explain it to you, you're

> not going to escape that solitary little reality you've created for

> yourself where you consider additions and improvements in technology to

> be unnecessary bloat.

 

 

--

dzomlija

 

_____________________

Peter Alexander Dzomlija

-Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as

you die, so shall I be Reborn...-

 

-Download MP3 Media Properties Explorer: --http://www.phx.co.za-

 

- ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe

- AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+

- 4GB DDR400

- 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600

- Thermaltake Tai-Chi Chassis

- 1207GB Formatted Storage

- Vista Ultimate x64

- CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at: http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Dzomlija/Venus/

"Paul Knudsen" . wrote in message

news:0r4op39badtanc9fqg2u4tc3ofsf4sh7je@4ax.com...

> Why do you think that? I had SATA on my last machine for two years

> with no problems.

>

> I'd be surprised if you actually found any new machines with IDE, or

> whatever the previous standard was called.

 

Windows XP doesn't have any SATA drivers - they need to be added, using a

floppy disk during the install process.

 

Some motherboards now support running their SATA controller in an IDE

compatible mode, but by no means all support this.

 

--

Paul Smith,

Yeovil, UK.

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.

http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/

http://www.windowsresource.net/

 

*Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*

Are you NUTS?

 

"Paul Smith" . wrote in message

news:72162568-173E-40FD-B1B2-17C1D2A2D86B@microsoft.com...

> Windows Vista is a solid release. I rolled it out on all my machines (5

> of them) without any issues when it was released, the only driver missing

> was for a Logitech webcam, which showed up in Windows Update after a month

> or two after release.

 

You think Vista is a solid release? Vista was released with more holes than

Swiss Cheese. Patch after patch and an SP1 to be released to fix major

issues and you think Vista is solid? If you say you haven't had any

problems then your computer must sit there and use surf the web and check

e-mail.

 

Have you ever tried to copy a 10GB file from XP to Vista? Ever try to

install a printer over a year old? Ever try to install Microsoft software

more than 5 months old?

 

Probably NOT.

Re: Are you NUTS?

 

>Have you ever tried to copy a 10GB file from XP to Vista? Ever try to

>install a printer over a year old? Ever try to install Microsoft software

>more than 5 months old?

>

>Probably NOT.

 

 

 

yes - largest file i currently have is 8.85GB, took just under 3 mins

 

yes - my old Canon850i runs perfectly

 

yes - running Office XP no probs

 

graham

Re: Are you NUTS?

 

"graham1cr" <graham1cr@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>

>>Have you ever tried to copy a 10GB file from XP to Vista? Ever try to

>>install a printer over a year old? Ever try to install Microsoft software

>>more than 5 months old?

>>

>>Probably NOT.

>

>

>

> yes - largest file i currently have is 8.85GB, took just under 3 mins

>

> yes - my old Canon850i runs perfectly

>

> yes - running Office XP no probs

>

> graham

 

you beat me to it Graham. I really don't know where these naysayers get

their info from.

 

But to be honest I did have a 3 year old HP scanner that would not work

under vista. Called Hp about it and they said they did not provide MS with a

vista driver and they had no intention of releasing any. So whose fault is

that HP or MS? Maybe monkey brains can shed some light on that!

 

Bill

Re: Are you NUTS?

 

To those who think Vista wonderful because they do not have problems:

I do not have cancer. Therefore cancer does not exist and no money should be

spent fighting this non-existent problem.

And George Bush is, well, he is the legally elected something of somewhwere:

Anton Scalia says so, and he goes duck hunting with litigants who have cases

pending before his court.

Joe cann wrote:

>>A lot of things in XP require 3-5 clicks that are done in Vista with only

>>one click

>

>

> like what??

 

 

Hahaha...more proof that you do not use Vista for anything other than

maybe surfing the web.

 

On the contrary most things need more clicks on vista than on

> XP,

 

Wow...you really don't use Vista do you?

 

and then you have that dreaded failure of a security measure and the

> laughing stock of all IT's in the world - UAC...

 

Only if you don't know what you're doing...like you.

>

> that alone makes you click BILLIONS of times more than with XP.. lol

 

Only for those who don't know what they're doing...like you.

>

> Remember my Vista-Health threat post when I talked about Vista and RSI?

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury

>

> everything about vista shouts BAD DESIGN BY AMATEURS! Only a dork would like

> it..

>

> that's why YOU like it :-)

>

Face it capin' crunch...you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer and

Vista is well...actually smarter than you'll ever hope to be.

I think you're jealous...!

Too bad!

Frank

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>

>

>

>

> "Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

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>>Joe cann wrote:

>>

>>>whatever it will be, it will be better and faster than Crapista

>>

>>Doing what? A lot of things in XP require 3-5 clicks that are done in

>>Vista with only one click. Vista is finished before XP even starts.

>>I guess you didn't know that right?

>>So sheer speed isn't everything...just like in drag racing. Speed is a

>>measure of mph's whereas quick is a measure of time. Low ET generally

>>wins. Vista is much quicker in doing a lot tasks than XP is.

>>

>>>You will remain attached to your Vista...

>>

>>I will use the very best available OS of the day...and that my friend is

>>Vista like it or not.

>>When something better comes out...I'll be one of the first to use it.

>>

>> while I will move on to the better

>>

>>>technology and use all technology

>>>that includes windows, MacOSx and linux and of course the cloud that is

>>>the future...

>>

>>You certainly have clouded judgment...LOL!

>>Frank

>

>

>

Re: Are you NUTS?

 

"flambe" <fac187@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> To those who think Vista wonderful because they do not have problems:

> I do not have cancer. Therefore cancer does not exist and no money should

> be spent fighting this non-existent problem.

> And George Bush is, well, he is the legally elected something of

> somewhwere: Anton Scalia says so, and he goes duck hunting with litigants

> who have cases pending before his court.

>

Either you have never had a course in logic, or it's been a very long time

and you have forgotten everything you once knew.

Re: Are you NUTS?

 

> Have you ever tried to copy a 10GB file from XP to Vista? Ever try to

> install a printer over a year old? Ever try to install Microsoft software

> more than 5 months old?

 

Yes to all three. And all three worked flawlessly. Vista does have some

issues with some setups. On my several totally different setups, the only

thing I've had happen was the slow down with copying files... I've used a

lot of older software, and a few older HP and Epson printers with ZERO

problems.

 

--

Dustin Harper

dharper@vistarip.com

http://www.vistarip.com | Vista Resource & Information Page

 

 

"Spanky deMonkey" wrote in message

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> "Paul Smith" . wrote in message

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>> Windows Vista is a solid release. I rolled it out on all my machines (5

>> of them) without any issues when it was released, the only driver missing

>> was for a Logitech webcam, which showed up in Windows Update after a

>> month or two after release.

>

> You think Vista is a solid release? Vista was released with more holes

> than Swiss Cheese. Patch after patch and an SP1 to be released to fix

> major issues and you think Vista is solid? If you say you haven't had any

> problems then your computer must sit there and use surf the web and check

> e-mail.

>

> Have you ever tried to copy a 10GB file from XP to Vista? Ever try to

> install a printer over a year old? Ever try to install Microsoft software

> more than 5 months old?

>

> Probably NOT.

>

Re: Are you NUTS?

 

So, its like the cancer patient saying that ALL life sucks because they have

cancer. So, since SOME people have issues with Vista, ALL Vista must suck.

 

 

--

Dustin Harper

dharper@vistarip.com

http://www.vistarip.com | Vista Resource & Information Page

 

 

"flambe" <fac187@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> To those who think Vista wonderful because they do not have problems:

> I do not have cancer. Therefore cancer does not exist and no money should

> be spent fighting this non-existent problem.

> And George Bush is, well, he is the legally elected something of

> somewhwere: Anton Scalia says so, and he goes duck hunting with litigants

> who have cases pending before his court.

>

You DUFUS

 

"Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

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> Joe cann wrote:

>

>>>A lot of things in XP require 3-5 clicks that are done in Vista with only

>>>one click

>>

>>

>> like what??

>

>

> Hahaha...more proof that you do not use Vista for anything other than

> maybe surfing the web.

>

> On the contrary most things need more clicks on vista than on

>> XP,

>

> Wow...you really don't use Vista do you?

>

> and then you have that dreaded failure of a security measure and the

>> laughing stock of all IT's in the world - UAC...

>

> Only if you don't know what you're doing...like you.

>>

>> that alone makes you click BILLIONS of times more than with XP.. lol

>

> Only for those who don't know what they're doing...like you.

>>

>> Remember my Vista-Health threat post when I talked about Vista and RSI?

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury

>>

>> everything about vista shouts BAD DESIGN BY AMATEURS! Only a dork would

>> like it..

>>

>> that's why YOU like it :-)

>>

> Face it capin' crunch...you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer and

> Vista is well...actually smarter than you'll ever hope to be.

> I think you're jealous...!

> Too bad!

> Frank

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Frank" <fb@samm.zrr> wrote in message

>> news:Oh6O6bLYIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>Joe cann wrote:

>>>

>>>>whatever it will be, it will be better and faster than Crapista

>>>

>>>Doing what? A lot of things in XP require 3-5 clicks that are done in

>>>Vista with only one click. Vista is finished before XP even starts.

>>>I guess you didn't know that right?

>>>So sheer speed isn't everything...just like in drag racing. Speed is a

>>>measure of mph's whereas quick is a measure of time. Low ET generally

>>>wins. Vista is much quicker in doing a lot tasks than XP is.

>>>

>>>>You will remain attached to your Vista...

>>>

>>>I will use the very best available OS of the day...and that my friend is

>>>Vista like it or not.

>>>When something better comes out...I'll be one of the first to use it.

>>>

>>> while I will move on to the better

>>>

>>>>technology and use all technology

>>>>that includes windows, MacOSx and linux and of course the cloud that is

>>>>the future...

>>>

>>>You certainly have clouded judgment...LOL!

>>>Frank

>>

>>