flambe, yes, mine is a socket 939 AMD 4800x2 with the nForce4 chipset.

It is night and day between xp and vista.

I have been waiting for all of the lastest hardware to come out that will

work with the vista/hollywood high def security crap.

So what chipset do you suggest ?

 

"flambe" wrote:

> I am guessing yours is a socket 939 AMD processor with a motherboard running

> the Nforce 4 chipset.

> While I dislike Vista I believe that the mobo drivers for this chipset are

> just unpolished and do not run Vista smoothly.

> On my dual boot system that uses this chipset the differences in performance

> between Vista and XP are so enormous you can time them by your stopwatch or

> by watching paint dry waiting for Vista to complete operations involving

> disc access. SP1 does almost nothing to improve perfomance.

> Since socket 939 was killed off by AMD long ago there is no impetus for

> Nvidia to fix the drivers.

> On dual boot systems using more recent chipsets the differences in

> performance between Vista and XP are still obvious, just no so pathetically

> obvious.

>

>

>

"Billy Bobs" <BillyBobs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:453E9B59-5CC8-45B3-BAFC-15918ACA64F0@microsoft.com...

> forty-nine, I turned off Windows Search thru the Services first before all

> other tweaks or utilites and I still have the hd Thrashing.

> I just started "fiddling" and just loaded that third party defrag this

> past

> week after 6 months of using vista.

> I defragged thru regular defrag but it ran for hours and hours then I

> tried

> thru DOS and it took for ever also. So I shut it off and got AUSLogics.

> I used AutoRuns to kill anything that was not from Microsoft which was not

> much.

> Windows installed the MB drivers and then I just reinstalled them again

> after I d/l from nVidia.

> So all drivers and chipset drivers are correct for my MB.

> I do not install any bs until last week.

>

 

Did you install Vista on the RAID array, or did you install on a single

drive, then convert to an array?

I had Vista on a RAID 0, and saw little disk activity (I am on a nForce 4 MB

with 2 160GB samsung SATA's).

Maybe your AV is doing scanning ?

Did you do an upgrade install over XP on the RAID ?

Are you dual booting with XP and Vista ?

Is the Vista partition too small ?

What size is the SWAP file ?

I manually set the Swap file to 3066MB with 2 GB of RAM on a SWAP partition.

"flambe" <fac187@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OPxij.3752$jJ5.2881@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...

>I am guessing yours is a socket 939 AMD processor with a motherboard

>running the Nforce 4 chipset.

> While I dislike Vista I believe that the mobo drivers for this chipset are

> just unpolished and do not run Vista smoothly.

> On my dual boot system that uses this chipset the differences in

> performance between Vista and XP are so enormous you can time them by your

> stopwatch or by watching paint dry waiting for Vista to complete

> operations involving disc access. SP1 does almost nothing to improve

> perfomance.

> Since socket 939 was killed off by AMD long ago there is no impetus for

> Nvidia to fix the drivers.

> On dual boot systems using more recent chipsets the differences in

> performance between Vista and XP are still obvious, just no so

> pathetically obvious.

>

>

 

 

I have a 939 nVidia 4 and mine works really well..

 

--

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http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

John, I have a dual core and both cores are using about the same.

I look in Task Manager and Performance Monitor and nothing is thrashing,

only my hd light.

 

"John Barnes" wrote:

> If you have a multi core processor, is one core getting most of the usage?

> XP64 does a great job of allocating processes between cores, but I have had

> to manually assign affinity using Task Manager in Vista64. I had one core

> top out at 100% with hanging while the other core was practically idle. The

> other thing you could do is to use the Task Manager or better the System and

> Performance Monitor to see what processes are thrashing.

 

> > "philo" wrote:

> >> BTW: you do have the chipset drivers installed ?

 

philo, yes I do.

forty-nine, I installed Vista on a single drive and that is it.

I have raid shut of in my bios and do not use it.

My av is not scanning.

Clean install on a brand new drive, no upgrades.

One partition, the same size as the drive.

Swap file is at what windows set it to, 2858MB

I use one drive for vista and one drive for xp.

Vista is my default start up drive in my bios.

So if I want to check the mail and surf I let it start up normal.

If I want to game I restart if in vista or enter the bios when first

starting up computer to select my xp drive.

 

 

"forty-nine" wrote:

> Did you install Vista on the RAID array, or did you install on a single

> drive, then convert to an array?

> I had Vista on a RAID 0, and saw little disk activity (I am on a nForce 4 MB

> with 2 160GB samsung SATA's).

> Maybe your AV is doing scanning ?

> Did you do an upgrade install over XP on the RAID ?

> Are you dual booting with XP and Vista ?

> Is the Vista partition too small ?

> What size is the SWAP file ?

> I manually set the Swap file to 3066MB with 2 GB of RAM on a SWAP partition.

>

>

>

If none of the processes in Vista are showing reads and writes, maybe your

wife (or a virus) installed one of the key loggers on your system.

 

"Billy Bobs" <BillyBobs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:E7264EFA-B1C0-41A5-9CB3-E79CAE1D06E2@microsoft.com...

> John, I have a dual core and both cores are using about the same.

> I look in Task Manager and Performance Monitor and nothing is thrashing,

> only my hd light.

>

> "John Barnes" wrote:

>

>> If you have a multi core processor, is one core getting most of the

>> usage?

>> XP64 does a great job of allocating processes between cores, but I have

>> had

>> to manually assign affinity using Task Manager in Vista64. I had one

>> core

>> top out at 100% with hanging while the other core was practically idle.

>> The

>> other thing you could do is to use the Task Manager or better the System

>> and

>> Performance Monitor to see what processes are thrashing.

>

>

>> > "philo" wrote:

>> >> BTW: you do have the chipset drivers installed ?

>

> philo, yes I do.

John, the only things moving in the I/O Reads is csrss.exe and lsass.exe and

I/O Writes is lsass.exe.

I have Show processes from all users checked.

 

"John Barnes" wrote:

> It is the read and write columns you want to watch.

ASUS has some nice board that are Vista-friendly, but in regards to the

chipset you may need to surf around to various forums to see who is the

saddest and then go the other way. My life got a lot easier when I went to

nVidia for both the chipset and graphics. And BTW I went from the 939 socket

to AM2. If I were to buy now I would give Intel a good looksie.

 

Good luck!

 

"Billy Bobs" wrote:

> flambe, yes, mine is a socket 939 AMD 4800x2 with the nForce4 chipset.

> It is night and day between xp and vista.

> I have been waiting for all of the lastest hardware to come out that will

> work with the vista/hollywood high def security crap.

> So what chipset do you suggest ?

>

> "flambe" wrote:

>

> > I am guessing yours is a socket 939 AMD processor with a motherboard running

> > the Nforce 4 chipset.

> > While I dislike Vista I believe that the mobo drivers for this chipset are

> > just unpolished and do not run Vista smoothly.

> > On my dual boot system that uses this chipset the differences in performance

> > between Vista and XP are so enormous you can time them by your stopwatch or

> > by watching paint dry waiting for Vista to complete operations involving

> > disc access. SP1 does almost nothing to improve perfomance.

> > Since socket 939 was killed off by AMD long ago there is no impetus for

> > Nvidia to fix the drivers.

> > On dual boot systems using more recent chipsets the differences in

> > performance between Vista and XP are still obvious, just no so pathetically

> > obvious.

> >

> >

> >

PNutts, I am wanting to try some one other than Asus because of the way I was

treated with this nForce4 A8N-Sli Premium board.

I am steering torward Intel but they cost a lot.

The Spider platform from AMD has caught my eye also.

So I am sitting on the fence for now.

Thanks !

 

"PNutts" wrote:

> ASUS has some nice board that are Vista-friendly, but in regards to the

> chipset you may need to surf around to various forums to see who is the

> saddest and then go the other way. My life got a lot easier when I went to

> nVidia for both the chipset and graphics. And BTW I went from the 939 socket

> to AM2. If I were to buy now I would give Intel a good looksie.

>

> Good luck!

Hello "Bill Bobs":

I built an Intel Quad-core pc and installed Vista Ultimate 64bit with 4x

1GB of DDR2800 RAM and had slow boot times and the cpu use was hardly ever

below 35% during my normal use. I later read about some

motherboard/ram/Vista combinations with 4 GB DDR2 800 Mhz might cause

instability. I switched to 4 sticks with a total of 3 GBs and the pc now

operates way faster even with less memory and the boot times are back to

normal with much less hard drive and cpu activity. You might try cutting

back on your RAM to 2 or 3 GBs temporarily and see if you board/ram have the

same problem A LOT of people have. Good luck.

 

xiowan..........in tucson

 

"Billy Bobs" wrote:

> Ken, guess I should have stated what version I had, sorry.

> Vista Business 32bit and Xp 64bit.

>

> "Ken" wrote:

>

> >

> > May be you have 64bit version? I found that to thrash more than 32bit. So i

> > put on 32bit and it hardly ever thrashes

> >

> >

> > Ken

> >

> >

> > "Billy Bobs" <Billy Bobs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:8B6CE498-0F67-4261-8860-A5E6BA65A155@microsoft.com...

> > >I have let Vista do this hardrive thrashing for many many months now.

> > > I have had it and can no longer take it.

> > > I read that it should have stopped after awhile but it has not.

> > > I just started tweaking to try and make it stop.

> > > I cannot find what is causing the hard drive thrashing or what is holding

> > > me

> > > up.

> > > I have to wait my turn just to do the basic computer stuff, why ?

> > > All of this background running around vista does is not helpful to me.

> > >

> > > Can you make a stripped down expert version for gamers ?

> > > You have so many vista versions already, what is one more?

> > > Make it so that does not have all of this background bs running, indexing,

> > > cacheing and whatever you think needs to run in the background using up

> > > all

> > > of my resources. Have options so I can turn all of this off.

> > >

> > > I have turned off vista indexing, defragmenter, search, superfetch, aero,

> > > and killed everything else that is not needed with Autoruns.

> > >

> > > The hard drive still constantly thrashes for hours and HOURS !!!!!

> > > This has been going on since I first installed it way back in June 2007.

> > > I have searched to see what is sucking up all of the CPU cycles and

> > > nothing

> > > shows up in task manager.

> > > So it is hidden and yet the hard drive light is going a thousand miles an

> > > hour and the CPU usage is way up and so is the ram usage.

> > > I have no virus or malware.

> > > I run vista defender when it pops up on the one day I tell it to run so it

> > > is not it.

> > > I am trying to use the computer but the computer will not let me because

> > > it

> > > has to run some bs in the back ground that everybody tells me should not

> > > affect me.

> > > Well it does !

> > > Plus Vista uses up all of my ram to guess at what I am going to open next

> > > ?

> > > Give my ram a break !

> > > This hardrive thrashing affects everything I do. I have to wait on it. It

> > > holds me up. It affects my streaming interent radio, cutting it off and on

> > > and then completely off. I have to refresh it to start playing again. This

> > > happens all night long !

> > > I have to wait for webpages to load, etc...

> > >

> > > Always waiting on Vista !

> > >

> > > I just sat here all day playing the internet radio while watching video

> > > with

> > > 18 web pages open, checking mail and uploading pictures without one radio

> > > hiccup in XP.

> > >

> > > I have to use a third party defragmenter just so I can get defragmenting

> > > over with in 5 minutes versus the 18 hours vista takes.

> > > Where are the little boxes that show me how defragmented it is and how

> > > much

> > > longer I have to go until it is done.

> > >

> > > I would rather wait for a search than have to wait every time I boot up

> > > for

> > > vista to let me do something.

> > >

> > > Everything crashes.

> > > Then vista tells me to download the latest updates that I already have.

> > > I submit for solutions from Microsoft and I get nothing.

> > >

> > > I have none of these problems with XP and never did.

> > >

> > > I am using a 4800x2 dual core with 4gigs of ram, two 7800gtx video cards

> > > in

> > > sli, raptor hd, everything is watercooled and Vista still brings it to its

> > > knees all the time.

> > > I have all updated drivers for everything.

> > > WHAT GIVES ???

> > >

> > > Is Hollywood to blame ?

> > > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

> > >

> > > It is going to suck when I am forced to have to use vista !

> > >

> > > I do not know where else to vent my frustrations about this software to

> > > get

> > > it fixed.

> > >

> > > I have tried every tweak guide to get it running better but nothing helps

> > > to

> > > stop the hd thrashing!

> > >

> > > What do I do now ? :(

> > >

> > > Please help !

> > >

> > > Thanks !

> > >

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Billy, you can make your own stripped down version of vista, so stripped

that it can fit on a CD!

 

The tool you can use is free and its called vlite http://www.vlite.net

 

Basically what you do is that you make a new install CD with this tool by

stripping what you dont need from the original DVD.. some things you can

remove are in this screenshot, but there are many more

http://www.vlite.net/img/shots/ss4.png

 

 

 

"Billy Bobs" <Billy Bobs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:8B6CE498-0F67-4261-8860-A5E6BA65A155@microsoft.com...

>I have let Vista do this hardrive thrashing for many many months now.

> I have had it and can no longer take it.

> I read that it should have stopped after awhile but it has not.

> I just started tweaking to try and make it stop.

> I cannot find what is causing the hard drive thrashing or what is holding

> me

> up.

> I have to wait my turn just to do the basic computer stuff, why ?

> All of this background running around vista does is not helpful to me.

>

> Can you make a stripped down expert version for gamers ?

> You have so many vista versions already, what is one more?

> Make it so that does not have all of this background bs running, indexing,

> cacheing and whatever you think needs to run in the background using up

> all

> of my resources. Have options so I can turn all of this off.

>

> I have turned off vista indexing, defragmenter, search, superfetch, aero,

> and killed everything else that is not needed with Autoruns.

>

> The hard drive still constantly thrashes for hours and HOURS !!!!!

> This has been going on since I first installed it way back in June 2007.

> I have searched to see what is sucking up all of the CPU cycles and

> nothing

> shows up in task manager.

> So it is hidden and yet the hard drive light is going a thousand miles an

> hour and the CPU usage is way up and so is the ram usage.

> I have no virus or malware.

> I run vista defender when it pops up on the one day I tell it to run so it

> is not it.

> I am trying to use the computer but the computer will not let me because

> it

> has to run some bs in the back ground that everybody tells me should not

> affect me.

> Well it does !

> Plus Vista uses up all of my ram to guess at what I am going to open next

> ?

> Give my ram a break !

> This hardrive thrashing affects everything I do. I have to wait on it. It

> holds me up. It affects my streaming interent radio, cutting it off and on

> and then completely off. I have to refresh it to start playing again. This

> happens all night long !

> I have to wait for webpages to load, etc...

>

> Always waiting on Vista !

>

> I just sat here all day playing the internet radio while watching video

> with

> 18 web pages open, checking mail and uploading pictures without one radio

> hiccup in XP.

>

> I have to use a third party defragmenter just so I can get defragmenting

> over with in 5 minutes versus the 18 hours vista takes.

> Where are the little boxes that show me how defragmented it is and how

> much

> longer I have to go until it is done.

>

> I would rather wait for a search than have to wait every time I boot up

> for

> vista to let me do something.

>

> Everything crashes.

> Then vista tells me to download the latest updates that I already have.

> I submit for solutions from Microsoft and I get nothing.

>

> I have none of these problems with XP and never did.

>

> I am using a 4800x2 dual core with 4gigs of ram, two 7800gtx video cards

> in

> sli, raptor hd, everything is watercooled and Vista still brings it to its

> knees all the time.

> I have all updated drivers for everything.

> WHAT GIVES ???

>

> Is Hollywood to blame ?

> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

>

> It is going to suck when I am forced to have to use vista !

>

> I do not know where else to vent my frustrations about this software to

> get

> it fixed.

>

> I have tried every tweak guide to get it running better but nothing helps

> to

> stop the hd thrashing!

>

> What do I do now ? :(

>

> Please help !

>

> Thanks !

>

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"Billy Bobs" <BillyBobs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> forty-nine, I installed Vista on a single drive and that is it.

> I have raid shut of in my bios and do not use it.

> My av is not scanning.

> Clean install on a brand new drive, no upgrades.

> One partition, the same size as the drive.

> Swap file is at what windows set it to, 2858MB

> I use one drive for vista and one drive for xp.

> Vista is my default start up drive in my bios.

> So if I want to check the mail and surf I let it start up normal.

> If I want to game I restart if in vista or enter the bios when first

> starting up computer to select my xp drive.

>

 

I don't know about this...have no experience doing it the way you did it.

 

I wonder tho if after booting into Vista, Vista is doing something with this

XP drive (unless it's disabled in the BIOS).

 

No idea, Billy Bob.

Something ain't right with your setup....I myself would find it far easier

to reinstall than to spend a lot of time trying to figure this out.

As long as you have backups...it would seem the quickest route.

I even keep drivers on a thumb drive, so the reinstall takes about an hour.

(Not counting Office and the like)

Just because the drive is new, doesn't mean it can't be bad.

 

 

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"Billy Bobs" <BillyBobs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:E5BD39DC-15B5-4265-87F1-B8B75CDEB87F@microsoft.com...

> Carey, this is a brand new Western Digital Hardrive 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB

> Cache

> SATA 3.0Gb/s I bought just for Vista.

> I run XP on the WD raptor, sorry.

>

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

>

>> I would suggest you consider purchasing a new hard drive

>> that will resolve your hardware issue. My recommendation:

>>

>> Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA

>> 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148262

>>

>>

>> --

>> Carey Frisch

>> Microsoft MVP

>> Windows Shell/User

>>

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>> "Billy Bobs" wrote:

>>

>> I have let Vista do this hardrive thrashing for many many months now.

>> I have had it and can no longer take it.

>> I read that it should have stopped after awhile but it has not.

>> I just started tweaking to try and make it stop.

>> I cannot find what is causing the hard drive thrashing or what is holding

>> me

>> up.

>> I have to wait my turn just to do the basic computer stuff, why ?

>> All of this background running around vista does is not helpful to me.

>>

>> Can you make a stripped down expert version for gamers ?

>> You have so many vista versions already, what is one more?

>> Make it so that does not have all of this background bs running,

>> indexing,

>> cacheing and whatever you think needs to run in the background using up

>> all

>> of my resources. Have options so I can turn all of this off.

>>

>> I have turned off vista indexing, defragmenter, search, superfetch, aero,

>> and killed everything else that is not needed with Autoruns.

>>

>> The hard drive still constantly thrashes for hours and HOURS !!!!!

>> This has been going on since I first installed it way back in June 2007.

>> I have searched to see what is sucking up all of the CPU cycles and

>> nothing

>> shows up in task manager.

>> So it is hidden and yet the hard drive light is going a thousand miles an

>> hour and the CPU usage is way up and so is the ram usage.

>> I have no virus or malware.

>> I run vista defender when it pops up on the one day I tell it to run so

>> it

>> is not it.

>> I am trying to use the computer but the computer will not let me because

>> it

>> has to run some bs in the back ground that everybody tells me should not

>> affect me.

>> Well it does !

>> Plus Vista uses up all of my ram to guess at what I am going to open next

>> ?

>> Give my ram a break !

>> This hardrive thrashing affects everything I do. I have to wait on it. It

>> holds me up. It affects my streaming interent radio, cutting it off and

>> on

>> and then completely off. I have to refresh it to start playing again.

>> This

>> happens all night long !

>> I have to wait for webpages to load, etc...

>>

>> Always waiting on Vista !

>>

>> I just sat here all day playing the internet radio while watching video

>> with

>> 18 web pages open, checking mail and uploading pictures without one radio

>> hiccup in XP.

>>

>> I have to use a third party defragmenter just so I can get defragmenting

>> over with in 5 minutes versus the 18 hours vista takes.

>> Where are the little boxes that show me how defragmented it is and how

>> much

>> longer I have to go until it is done.

>>

>> I would rather wait for a search than have to wait every time I boot up

>> for

>> vista to let me do something.

>>

>> Everything crashes.

>> Then vista tells me to download the latest updates that I already have.

>> I submit for solutions from Microsoft and I get nothing.

>>

>> I have none of these problems with XP and never did.

>>

>> I am using a 4800x2 dual core with 4gigs of ram, two 7800gtx video cards

>> in

>> sli, raptor hd, everything is watercooled and Vista still brings it to

>> its

>> knees all the time.

>> I have all updated drivers for everything.

>> WHAT GIVES ???

>>

>> Is Hollywood to blame ?

>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

>>

>> It is going to suck when I am forced to have to use vista !

>>

>> I do not know where else to vent my frustrations about this software to

>> get

>> it fixed.

>>

>> I have tried every tweak guide to get it running better but nothing helps

>> to

>> stop the hd thrashing!

>>

>> What do I do now ? :(

>>

>> Please help !

>>

>> Thanks !

>>

>> ----------------

>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the

>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the

>> "I

>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow

>> this

>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and

>> then

>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.

>>

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>>

John, I have been running Spy Sweeper since the day I installed vista and it

has key logger shields. No key loggers found.

 

"John Barnes" wrote:

> If none of the processes in Vista are showing reads and writes, maybe your

> wife (or a virus) installed one of the key loggers on your system.

Billy Bobs wrote:

> Carey, this is a brand new Western Digital Hardrive 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB

> Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s I bought just for Vista.

> I run XP on the WD raptor, sorry.

>

Carey Frisch is a fscking idiot. Just ignore all his "advice" and you'll be

fine and ultimately much richer.

 

Cheers.

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

>

>> I would suggest you consider purchasing a new hard drive

>> that will resolve your hardware issue. My recommendation:

>>

>> Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA

>> 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148262

>>

>>

>> --

>> Carey Frisch

>> Microsoft MVP

>> Windows Shell/User

>>

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>> "Billy Bobs" wrote:

>>

>> I have let Vista do this hardrive thrashing for many many months now.

>> I have had it and can no longer take it.

>> I read that it should have stopped after awhile but it has not.

>> I just started tweaking to try and make it stop.

>> I cannot find what is causing the hard drive thrashing or what is holding

>> me up.

>> I have to wait my turn just to do the basic computer stuff, why ?

>> All of this background running around vista does is not helpful to me.

>>

>> Can you make a stripped down expert version for gamers ?

>> You have so many vista versions already, what is one more?

>> Make it so that does not have all of this background bs running,

>> indexing, cacheing and whatever you think needs to run in the background

>> using up all

>> of my resources. Have options so I can turn all of this off.

>>

>> I have turned off vista indexing, defragmenter, search, superfetch, aero,

>> and killed everything else that is not needed with Autoruns.

>>

>> The hard drive still constantly thrashes for hours and HOURS !!!!!

>> This has been going on since I first installed it way back in June 2007.

>> I have searched to see what is sucking up all of the CPU cycles and

>> nothing shows up in task manager.

>> So it is hidden and yet the hard drive light is going a thousand miles an

>> hour and the CPU usage is way up and so is the ram usage.

>> I have no virus or malware.

>> I run vista defender when it pops up on the one day I tell it to run so

>> it is not it.

>> I am trying to use the computer but the computer will not let me because

>> it has to run some bs in the back ground that everybody tells me should

>> not affect me.

>> Well it does !

>> Plus Vista uses up all of my ram to guess at what I am going to open next

>> ? Give my ram a break !

>> This hardrive thrashing affects everything I do. I have to wait on it. It

>> holds me up. It affects my streaming interent radio, cutting it off and

>> on and then completely off. I have to refresh it to start playing again.

>> This happens all night long !

>> I have to wait for webpages to load, etc...

>>

>> Always waiting on Vista !

>>

>> I just sat here all day playing the internet radio while watching video

>> with 18 web pages open, checking mail and uploading pictures without one

>> radio hiccup in XP.

>>

>> I have to use a third party defragmenter just so I can get defragmenting

>> over with in 5 minutes versus the 18 hours vista takes.

>> Where are the little boxes that show me how defragmented it is and how

>> much longer I have to go until it is done.

>>

>> I would rather wait for a search than have to wait every time I boot up

>> for vista to let me do something.

>>

>> Everything crashes.

>> Then vista tells me to download the latest updates that I already have.

>> I submit for solutions from Microsoft and I get nothing.

>>

>> I have none of these problems with XP and never did.

>>

>> I am using a 4800x2 dual core with 4gigs of ram, two 7800gtx video cards

>> in sli, raptor hd, everything is watercooled and Vista still brings it to

>> its knees all the time.

>> I have all updated drivers for everything.

>> WHAT GIVES ???

>>

>> Is Hollywood to blame ?

>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

>>

>> It is going to suck when I am forced to have to use vista !

>>

>> I do not know where else to vent my frustrations about this software to

>> get it fixed.

>>

>> I have tried every tweak guide to get it running better but nothing helps

>> to stop the hd thrashing!

>>

>> What do I do now ? :(

>>

>> Please help !

>>

>> Thanks !

>>

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forty-nine, I can tell when vista is screwing with my xp drive because it is

the raptor and it is louder.

It only screwed with it once when I ran defrag from windows and I had no

control over what drive it defragged and it did both drives.

I can see and use the xp drive from vista.

I wanted to go this route as it tends to learn me on the newer os.

I will format and start over after I have pulled all of my hair out. hahaha )

Thanks for the help !

 

"forty-nine" wrote:

> I don't know about this...have no experience doing it the way you did it.

>

> I wonder tho if after booting into Vista, Vista is doing something with this

> XP drive (unless it's disabled in the BIOS).

>

> No idea, Billy Bob.

> Something ain't right with your setup....I myself would find it far easier

> to reinstall than to spend a lot of time trying to figure this out.

> As long as you have backups...it would seem the quickest route.

> I even keep drivers on a thumb drive, so the reinstall takes about an hour.

> (Not counting Office and the like)

>

>

non flammable, All the tools to slipstream in one program, cool, that looks

nice.

aaaak, why does everything need .net to run............

Looks like it is a pretty good program from the few posts I read on the

vlite forums.

Thanks !

 

"non flammable on Vista" wrote:

> Billy, you can make your own stripped down version of vista, so stripped

> that it can fit on a CD!

>

> The tool you can use is free and its called vlite http://www.vlite.net

>

> Basically what you do is that you make a new install CD with this tool by

> stripping what you dont need from the original DVD.. some things you can

> remove are in this screenshot, but there are many more

> http://www.vlite.net/img/shots/ss4.png

Dave, so a constant thrashing drive indicates a bad drive ?

 

"Dave" wrote:

> Just because the drive is new, doesn't mean it can't be bad.

xiowan, guess I could turn off memory remapping in my bios.

I have ram water coolers , so it would be a pain to pull just two sticks out

for a test.

Thanks !

 

"xiowan" wrote:

> Hello "Bill Bobs":

> I built an Intel Quad-core pc and installed Vista Ultimate 64bit with 4x

> 1GB of DDR2800 RAM and had slow boot times and the cpu use was hardly ever

> below 35% during my normal use. I later read about some

> motherboard/ram/Vista combinations with 4 GB DDR2 800 Mhz might cause

> instability. I switched to 4 sticks with a total of 3 GBs and the pc now

> operates way faster even with less memory and the boot times are back to

> normal with much less hard drive and cpu activity. You might try cutting

> back on your RAM to 2 or 3 GBs temporarily and see if you board/ram have the

> same problem A LOT of people have. Good luck.

>

> xiowan..........in tucson

NoStop, ok thanks !

 

"NoStop" wrote:

> Billy Bobs wrote:

>

> Carey Frisch is a fscking idiot. Just ignore all his "advice" and you'll be

> fine and ultimately much richer.

>

> Cheers.

Billy Bobs wrote:

> NoStop, ok thanks !

>

> "NoStop" wrote:

>

>

>>Billy Bobs wrote:

>>

>

>

>>Carey Frisch is a fscking idiot. Just ignore all his "advice" and you'll be

>>fine and ultimately much richer.

>>

>>Cheers.

 

Hey Billy..."nostop" is an MS hating, linux loving lying POS,

cross-dressing, mentally derange as*hole.

Don't believe one word he says.

Turn off indexing on your Vista install and see if that helps.

Frank

Billy Bobs wrote:

> non flammable, All the tools to slipstream in one program, cool, that looks

> nice.

> aaaak, why does everything need .net to run............

> Looks like it is a pretty good program from the few posts I read on the

> vlite forums.

> Thanks !

>

> "non flammable on Vista" wrote:

>

>

>>Billy, you can make your own stripped down version of vista, so stripped

>>that it can fit on a CD!

>>

>>The tool you can use is free and its called vlite http://www.vlite.net

>>

>>Basically what you do is that you make a new install CD with this tool by

>>stripping what you dont need from the original DVD.. some things you can

>>remove are in this screenshot, but there are many more

>>http://www.vlite.net/img/shots/ss4.png

 

Hey Billy...non-flem [sic] hahaha...is another MS hating jerk. He does

not have Vista and has no idea about Vista. He's also a known, mentally

retarded, delusional idiot.

His best accomplishment to date is building a cardboard space ship in

his mom's basement.

He keeps saying it will fly...hahaha...LOL!

Frank

It could... the last one I had go bad, went ker-klunk,

ker-klunk,ker-klunk,ker-klunk,ker-klunk,ker-klunk

 

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"Billy Bobs" <BillyBobs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:2A694805-BDA5-4DD2-93D4-6C756DEFC20D@microsoft.com...

> Dave, so a constant thrashing drive indicates a bad drive ?

>

> "Dave" wrote:

>

>> Just because the drive is new, doesn't mean it can't be bad.

Hello again "Billy Bobs":

OK.........but I'd remember the suggestion so when everything else fails

you have one more thing to try LOL! Seriously, your symptoms are exactly

what I was experiencing and reducing the memory to 3 GBs leaves the pc

running flawlessly and it's a joy to use now!

 

xiowan......in tucson

 

"Billy Bobs" wrote:

> xiowan, guess I could turn off memory remapping in my bios.

> I have ram water coolers , so it would be a pain to pull just two sticks out

> for a test.

> Thanks !

>

> "xiowan" wrote:

>

> > Hello "Bill Bobs":

> > I built an Intel Quad-core pc and installed Vista Ultimate 64bit with 4x

> > 1GB of DDR2800 RAM and had slow boot times and the cpu use was hardly ever

> > below 35% during my normal use. I later read about some

> > motherboard/ram/Vista combinations with 4 GB DDR2 800 Mhz might cause

> > instability. I switched to 4 sticks with a total of 3 GBs and the pc now

> > operates way faster even with less memory and the boot times are back to

> > normal with much less hard drive and cpu activity. You might try cutting

> > back on your RAM to 2 or 3 GBs temporarily and see if you board/ram have the

> > same problem A LOT of people have. Good luck.

> >

> > xiowan..........in tucson

"Billy Bobs" <BillyBobs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> aaaak, why does everything need .net to run............

 

That's because it's the premier program development solution on the MS

platform.

 

http://www.dotnetpowered.com/languages.aspx

 

And about this disk thrashing you're talking about, it could be that your

entire HD data is being uploaded, and you don't know that it's happening. I

knew a person who had his computer compromised, the HD was being uploaded,

and he asked the question. Why is my HD always thrashing? <g>

 

You can use CurrPorts on Vista as Active Ports doesn't work. With Process

Explorer, you go to Menu View/Show Lower/Pane/Show all Dlls, and PE will

show everything a running process in the upper pane is hosting. You can also

right-click a line in the upper or lower pan to get more information.

 

<http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Hidden_Backdoors_Trojan_Horses_and_Rootkit_Tools_in_a_Windows_Environment.html>

 

<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/default.aspx>