(from

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"Recording industry ups ante for downloads

 

Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

 

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

intensified its fight against illicit downloading, saying it is illegal for

someone to transfer music from a CD onto a computer.

 

As part of the industry's ongoing legal effort against Jeffery Howell, a

Scottsdale, Ariz., resident accused of sharing nearly 2,000 songs, industry

officials said even legally owned discs should not be copied onto one's

computer, The Washington Post reported Sunday.

 

The Recording Industry Association of America's position that Howell broke

the law when he copied a legally purchased disc to his computer was

immediately attacked by a lawyer familiar with such charges.

 

"The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual

physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the

industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your

computer is a violation," said Ray Beckerman, a lawyer who has represented

several of the association's targets in the past.

 

The Post said the industry's announcement comes in the wake of October's

federal jury case in which a Minnesota woman was ordered to pay $220,000 to

record companies for downloading 24 songs.

 

 

© United Press International. All Rights Reserved.

This material may not be reproduced, redistributed, or manipulated in any

form."

----------------------------------------------------

 

Just thought you'd like to know....

 

jim

jim wrote:

> (from

> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

>

>

> "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>

> Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>

> SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

> intensified its fight against illicit downloading, saying it is illegal for

> someone to transfer music from a CD onto a computer.

>

> As part of the industry's ongoing legal effort against Jeffery Howell, a

> Scottsdale, Ariz., resident accused of sharing nearly 2,000 songs, industry

> officials said even legally owned discs should not be copied onto one's

> computer, The Washington Post reported Sunday.

>

> The Recording Industry Association of America's position that Howell broke

> the law when he copied a legally purchased disc to his computer was

> immediately attacked by a lawyer familiar with such charges.

>

> "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual

> physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the

> industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your

> computer is a violation," said Ray Beckerman, a lawyer who has represented

> several of the association's targets in the past.

>

> The Post said the industry's announcement comes in the wake of October's

> federal jury case in which a Minnesota woman was ordered to pay $220,000 to

> record companies for downloading 24 songs.

>

>

> © United Press International. All Rights Reserved.

> This material may not be reproduced, redistributed, or manipulated in any

> form."

> ----------------------------------------------------

>

> Just thought you'd like to know....

>

> jim

>

>

 

Please note that this Gestapo crap only happens in the USA. In Europe,

every time we buy a CD or DVD, we are paying an extra fee to pay

royalties and fair use is the golden rule here.

 

Alias

Re: OT: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your OwnComputer

 

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:38:51 -0500, jim wrote:

 

<snip>

> Just thought you'd like to know....

 

I wonder how much they like me stripping region coding and CSS encryption

from my DVDs so that I can watch them from my Hard Drives and protect the

physical DVDs. =)

 

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"Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:38:51 -0500, jim wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

>> Just thought you'd like to know....

>

> I wonder how much they like me stripping region coding and CSS encryption

> from my DVDs so that I can watch them from my Hard Drives and protect the

> physical DVDs. =)

 

Watch out or they'll put the MI5 on your trail! Just ask that guy who

posts all over the place. 8^)

 

Tom Lake

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

> (from

> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

>

>

> "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>

> Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>

> SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

 

<SNIP>

 

I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let you

make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media. (Unfortunately that is

not part of Australian copyright law :-( )

> Just thought you'd like to know....

>

> jim

>

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

Gilgamesh wrote:

> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

> news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

>> (from

>> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

>>

>>

>> "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>>

>> Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>>

>> SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

>

> <SNIP>

>

> I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let you

> make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media. (Unfortunately that is

> not part of Australian copyright law :-( )

>

>> Just thought you'd like to know....

>>

>> jim

>>

>

>

 

 

That's why they want DRM and everything that goes

with it. A way to get around the law.

Saw an interview yesterday with one of the head

people of the movie industry(can't remember his

name). He said that fair use is no good because

you cannot know ahead of time if the person making

the copy is a pirate or not. So then there should

be no legal way to make copies.

Sounds like greed to me.

caver1

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:49:38 -0500, caver1 wrote:

> Gilgamesh wrote:

>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>> news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

>>> (from

>>> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/

recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

>>>

>>>

>>> "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>>>

>>> Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>>>

>>> SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

>>

>> <SNIP>

>>

>> I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let

>> you make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media. (Unfortunately

>> that is not part of Australian copyright law :-( )

>>

>>> Just thought you'd like to know....

>>>

>>> jim

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

> That's why they want DRM and everything that goes with it. A way to get

> around the law. Saw an interview yesterday with one of the head people

> of the movie industry(can't remember his name). He said that fair use is

> no good because you cannot know ahead of time if the person making the

> copy is a pirate or not. So then there should be no legal way to make

> copies.

> Sounds like greed to me.

 

Sounds like someone that won't be receiving any of my business to me.

Matter of fact, it'll only make it more likely that I'd choose to buy an

illegal copy instead. An illegal copy won't have the restrictions of a

legal copy and would therefore likely be my preferred choice.

 

Take music for instance. I have all my songs in a huge library on my hard

drive. So if I want to listen to one particular song, I just have to type

in it's name. If I just want to listen to any one random song of one

artist but any album, I can do so too. If I want to listen to any random

song of my collection, which is usually how I have my media player set

up, I can do that as well.

 

Now let's compare this with what the RIAA and other DRM advocates would

like. They don't want me to copy the music from my CD. I can no longer do

*ANY* of the above. I'm only able to listen to songs that are on the CD

and nothing else.

 

Listen to a random song I own? Not possible.

Listen to a random song from any one artist (or selection of)? Not

possible.

Quickly find one particular song I'd like to listen to? While it may be

physically possible to locate the CD quickly, it's still a hassle to have

to switch physical media.

 

Bottom line, I *DON'T* want that. It makes life for me as a consumer more

difficult and reduces my ability to enjoy my content.

 

Now if I buy illegal copies...

 

Listen to a random song I own? Possible.

Listen to a random song from any one artist? Possible.

Quickly find one song? Possible.

Do anything else I like? Possible.

 

So why would anyone, in a DRM world, choose DRM content when non-DRM

content has clear advantages when it comes to actually using the content?

 

The same goes for movies. I actually have external hard drives that

contain copies of my movies. As I use my computer with a TV attached to

view my movies, this makes it very easy for me to watch any movie I want

which I *legally* own.

 

--

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Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

Gilgamesh wrote:

> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

> news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

>> (from

>> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

>>

>>

>> "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>>

>> Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>>

>> SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

>

> <SNIP>

>

> I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let you

> make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media. (Unfortunately that is

> not part of Australian copyright law :-( )

>

>> Just thought you'd like to know....

>>

>> jim

>>

>

 

 

 

 

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/01/riaa_behaving_b.html

caver1

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

as had been reported elsewhere. the individual had the ripped music in a download folder for a P2P program.

that's how they were found.

 

no where near the same thing as simply copying the music to your computer.

 

 

 

 

mikeyhsd@sprintpcs.com

 

 

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

(from

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

 

 

"Recording industry ups ante for downloads

 

Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

 

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

intensified its fight against illicit downloading, saying it is illegal for

someone to transfer music from a CD onto a computer.

 

As part of the industry's ongoing legal effort against Jeffery Howell, a

Scottsdale, Ariz., resident accused of sharing nearly 2,000 songs, industry

officials said even legally owned discs should not be copied onto one's

computer, The Washington Post reported Sunday.

 

The Recording Industry Association of America's position that Howell broke

the law when he copied a legally purchased disc to his computer was

immediately attacked by a lawyer familiar with such charges.

 

"The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual

physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the

industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your

computer is a violation," said Ray Beckerman, a lawyer who has represented

several of the association's targets in the past.

 

The Post said the industry's announcement comes in the wake of October's

federal jury case in which a Minnesota woman was ordered to pay $220,000 to

record companies for downloading 24 songs.

 

 

© United Press International. All Rights Reserved.

This material may not be reproduced, redistributed, or manipulated in any

form."

----------------------------------------------------

 

Just thought you'd like to know....

 

jim

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

"Gilgamesh" <gilgamesh@spam.me.not> wrote in message

news:13npp4cnmrakac5@corp.supernews.com...

> I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let you

> make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media.

 

Yes we do, but the RIAA thinks that too should be illegal.

 

They think that every copy should be separately purchased from them. Want a

backup? - buy another copy. Want it on your IPOD? - buy another copy.

Invite someone over to listen? - buy a "performance license".

 

Sing "Happy Birthday©" to your family, friends and co-workers? The RIAA

wants to hit you will a copyright lawsuit.

 

CNET did a example in this video podcast:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Buzz_Report_RIAA_thugs_on_your_right/4660-12578_7-6785792.html?tag=vid

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

Gilgamesh <gilgamesh@spam.me.not> espoused:

>

> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

> news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

>> (from

>> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

>>

>>

>> "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>>

>> Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>>

>> SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

>

><SNIP>

>

> I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let you

> make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media. (Unfortunately that is

> not part of Australian copyright law :-( )

>

 

If its based on England and Wales law, then you will have something

called the "fair deal".

 

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Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

This appears to be a new policy of the RIAA - and they have not yet had time to update their website. They go into more detail

elsewhere, but here it is from straight from their webpages...

 

http://www.riaa.com/faq.php

 

11. How is downloading music different from copying a personal CD?

 

Record companies have never objected to someone making a copy of a CD for their own personal use. We want fans to enjoy the music

they bought legally. But both copying CDs to give to friends and downloading music illegally rob the people who created that music

of compensation for their work. When record companies are deprived of critical revenue, they are forced to lay off employees, drop

artists from their rosters, and sign fewer bands. That's bad news for the music industry, but ultimately bad news for fans as well.

We all benefit from a vibrant music industry committed to nurturing the next generation of talent.

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

"Gilgamesh" <gilgamesh@spam.me.not> wrote:

>I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let you

>make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media.

 

It does. The RIAA and MPAA wish it would go away, and tend to act like

it doesn't exist. Electronic books restrict that right too, as well as

the "right of first sale". That's a BIG reason I don't like eBooks.

> (Unfortunately that is >not part of Australian copyright law :-( )

 

Bummer!

 

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Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

I thought it was the same in the Uk. If you buy a CD, ripping it to your

own PC to keep it in your library was legal.

 

 

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Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

On Jan 3, 5:34 am, "Gilgamesh" <gilgam...@spam.me.not> wrote:

> "jim" <j...@home.net> wrote in message

>

> news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

>

> > (from

> >http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/recording_indus...)

>

> > "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>

> > Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>

> > SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

>

> <SNIP>

>

> I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let you

> make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media. (Unfortunately that is

> not part of Australian copyright law :-( )

 

Yes, but I thought I had read somewhere that region coding is illegal

in Australia (that is, the dvd readers sold there play anything,

regardless of region).

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:49:38 -0500, caver1 wrote:

>

>> Gilgamesh wrote:

>>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>>> news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

>>>> (from

>>>> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/

> recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

>>>>

>>>> "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>>>>

>>>> Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>>>>

>>>> SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

>>> <SNIP>

>>>

>>> I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let

>>> you make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media. (Unfortunately

>>> that is not part of Australian copyright law :-( )

>>>

>>>> Just thought you'd like to know....

>>>>

>>>> jim

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>> That's why they want DRM and everything that goes with it. A way to get

>> around the law. Saw an interview yesterday with one of the head people

>> of the movie industry(can't remember his name). He said that fair use is

>> no good because you cannot know ahead of time if the person making the

>> copy is a pirate or not. So then there should be no legal way to make

>> copies.

>> Sounds like greed to me.

>

> Sounds like someone that won't be receiving any of my business to me.

> Matter of fact, it'll only make it more likely that I'd choose to buy an

> illegal copy instead. An illegal copy won't have the restrictions of a

> legal copy and would therefore likely be my preferred choice.

>

> Take music for instance. I have all my songs in a huge library on my hard

> drive. So if I want to listen to one particular song, I just have to type

> in it's name. If I just want to listen to any one random song of one

> artist but any album, I can do so too. If I want to listen to any random

> song of my collection, which is usually how I have my media player set

> up, I can do that as well.

>

> Now let's compare this with what the RIAA and other DRM advocates would

> like. They don't want me to copy the music from my CD. I can no longer do

> *ANY* of the above. I'm only able to listen to songs that are on the CD

> and nothing else.

>

> Listen to a random song I own? Not possible.

> Listen to a random song from any one artist (or selection of)? Not

> possible.

> Quickly find one particular song I'd like to listen to? While it may be

> physically possible to locate the CD quickly, it's still a hassle to have

> to switch physical media.

>

> Bottom line, I *DON'T* want that. It makes life for me as a consumer more

> difficult and reduces my ability to enjoy my content.

>

> Now if I buy illegal copies...

>

> Listen to a random song I own? Possible.

> Listen to a random song from any one artist? Possible.

> Quickly find one song? Possible.

> Do anything else I like? Possible.

>

> So why would anyone, in a DRM world, choose DRM content when non-DRM

> content has clear advantages when it comes to actually using the content?

>

> The same goes for movies. I actually have external hard drives that

> contain copies of my movies. As I use my computer with a TV attached to

> view my movies, this makes it very easy for me to watch any movie I want

> which I *legally* own.

>

 

 

MS sympathizers try to place all the blame on the

movie and recording industry. But what they don't

want to realize is that the movie and recording

industry is taking their business plan directly

from MS. You own nothing. Everything by license or

subscription. Always paying.

This is why most intelligent people are fighting them.

I agree with copywrite protection but there must

be limits.

caver1

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

mikeyhsd wrote:

> as had been reported elsewhere. the individual had the ripped music in a

> download folder for a P2P program.

> that's how they were found.

>

> no where near the same thing as simply copying the music to your computer.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

Agreed. But at the same time the RIAA (makes me

think of rabies) also states that any copies are

illegal no matter what the purpose. They won't

fight that view in court because they know they

will lose.

At the same time someone owns a gun. Most crimes

committed with a gun use illegal guns. So all guns

should be illegal and everyone that owns one has

committed a crime. No proof of crime needs to be

brought forth.

No I don't own a gun.

That is what the basis of our laws are based on.

You must prove that the person committed the crime

not that he/she is capable. If the latter was true

there would be no one outside of prisons.

If the Gov't by law cannot use the law to that

effect why should a business?

caver1

Alias wrote:

>

> Please note that this Gestapo crap only happens in the USA. In Europe,

> every time we buy a CD or DVD, we are paying an extra fee to pay

> royalties and fair use is the golden rule here.

>

> Alias

 

Uh, the "Gestapo" was a European thing.

 

The US operates under the rule of contract: that is, a willing buyer and a

willing seller agreeing to terms of a transaction. We take a dim view of

thieves.

 

Often we shoot them. Sometimes we shoot a pre-thief.

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

Beamguy wrote:

> This appears to be a new policy of the RIAA - and they have not yet had time to update their website. They go into more detail

> elsewhere, but here it is from straight from their webpages...

>

> http://www.riaa.com/faq.php

>

> 11. How is downloading music different from copying a personal CD?

>

> Record companies have never objected to someone making a copy of a CD for their own personal use. We want fans to enjoy the music

> they bought legally. But both copying CDs to give to friends and downloading music illegally rob the people who created that music

> of compensation for their work. When record companies are deprived of critical revenue, they are forced to lay off employees, drop

> artists from their rosters, and sign fewer bands. That's bad news for the music industry, but ultimately bad news for fans as well.

> We all benefit from a vibrant music industry committed to nurturing the next generation of talent.

>

>

 

 

This goes totally against what the RIAA states in

public.

The Fairuse laws have safe guards built in for the

protection of royalties.

At the same time the RIAA wants royalties paid for

ring tones. OK. But at the same time they stated

that they have no intention of passing those

royalties on to the artist.

The sharing of music is a cultural necessity.

If the RIAA has their way no music will ever pass

into the general domain.

Imagine kids on hay rides having to go to court

because they didn't pay royalties for their public

performance. After all anyone anywhere near could

enjoy their performance.

At the same time I know many musicians that have

paying gigs and never write their own music or pay

royalties. Where is the crack down? And I know

they play louder than any radio I might be

listening to.

caver1

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

Beamguy wrote:

> This appears to be a new policy of the RIAA - and they have not yet had time to update their website. They go into more detail

> elsewhere, but here it is from straight from their webpages...

>

> http://www.riaa.com/faq.php

>

> 11. How is downloading music different from copying a personal CD?

>

> Record companies have never objected to someone making a copy of a CD for their own personal use. We want fans to enjoy the music

> they bought legally. But both copying CDs to give to friends and downloading music illegally rob the people who created that music

> of compensation for their work. When record companies are deprived of critical revenue, they are forced to lay off employees, drop

> artists from their rosters, and sign fewer bands. That's bad news for the music industry, but ultimately bad news for fans as well.

> We all benefit from a vibrant music industry committed to nurturing the next generation of talent.

>

>

 

 

There is also a law that the RIAA is trying to get

passed in every state that if passed then they

will never lose ownership of what you buy. If you

get divorced or die the RIAA has say over what is

done with your music not you. This same law makes

it mandatory for anyone buying or selling used

music to give their thumb prints at time of sale.

No this is not aimed at pirates it is aimed at

your local mom and pop music store to try to stop

that sale. There is more to this law.

This has passed in Florida and 2 other states in

this country.

Whether it is being enforce at this time I don't know.

The RIAA does not want any music to ever pass

into the public domain.

caver1

HeyBub wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Please note that this Gestapo crap only happens in the USA. In Europe,

>> every time we buy a CD or DVD, we are paying an extra fee to pay

>> royalties and fair use is the golden rule here.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Uh, the "Gestapo" was a European thing.

 

Key word: "was".

>

> The US operates under the rule of contract: that is, a willing buyer and a

> willing seller agreeing to terms of a transaction. We take a dim view of

> thieves.

 

Riiight. The US has stolen how many natural resources from 3rd world

countries?

>

> Often we shoot them. Sometimes we shoot a pre-thief.

 

If that were true, all the politicians in the USA would have already

been shot a long time ago.

 

Alias

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

Stephan Rose wrote:

>

> Though tell ya one thing...

>

> If someone seriously wants my fingerprints to sell me a frigging CD,

> they'll have to cut off the finger from my dead body to do so.

>

 

Don't give the RIAA any ideas -)

 

Alias

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

> (from

> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

>

>

> "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>

> Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>

> SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

> intensified its fight against illicit downloading, saying it is illegal

> for someone to transfer music from a CD onto a computer.

>

> As part of the industry's ongoing legal effort against Jeffery Howell, a

> Scottsdale, Ariz., resident accused of sharing nearly 2,000 songs,

> industry officials said even legally owned discs should not be copied onto

> one's computer, The Washington Post reported Sunday.

>

Complete hogwash.

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:flil83$ns7$1@aioe.org...

> jim wrote:

>> (from

>> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

 

8<

>

> Please note that this Gestapo crap only happens in the USA. In Europe,

> every time we buy a CD or DVD, we are paying an extra fee to pay royalties

> and fair use is the golden rule here.

 

Are you confusing the extra royalty paid on audio CD blanks?

You don't pay any extra on a pre-recorded CD/DVD other than the usual

rip-off that gets added to any market that is willing to pay.

Also you don't pay any extra on ordinary CD/DVD blanks, which is why so many

audio CD recorders were chipped to use the ordinary blanks.

Re: RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

"Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message

news:qKOdnUkqY9CUcOHanZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com...

> On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:49:38 -0500, caver1 wrote:

>

>> Gilgamesh wrote:

>>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message

>>> news:tH4fj.60869$K27.48242@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

>>>> (from

>>>> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2007/12/30/

> recording_industry_ups_ante_for_downloads/1429/)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Recording industry ups ante for downloads

>>>>

>>>> Published: Dec. 30, 2007 at 3:29 PM

>>>>

>>>> SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Dec. 30 (UPI) -- The U.S. recording industry has

>>>

>>> <SNIP>

>>>

>>> I thought US copy right law had something called "Fair Use" that let

>>> you make backup copies of legitimatly purchased media. (Unfortunately

>>> that is not part of Australian copyright law :-( )

>>>

>>>> Just thought you'd like to know....

>>>>

>>>> jim

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>> That's why they want DRM and everything that goes with it. A way to get

>> around the law. Saw an interview yesterday with one of the head people

>> of the movie industry(can't remember his name). He said that fair use is

>> no good because you cannot know ahead of time if the person making the

>> copy is a pirate or not. So then there should be no legal way to make

>> copies.

>> Sounds like greed to me.

>

> Sounds like someone that won't be receiving any of my business to me.

> Matter of fact, it'll only make it more likely that I'd choose to buy an

> illegal copy instead. An illegal copy won't have the restrictions of a

> legal copy and would therefore likely be my preferred choice.

>

> Take music for instance. I have all my songs in a huge library on my hard

> drive. So if I want to listen to one particular song, I just have to type

> in it's name. If I just want to listen to any one random song of one

> artist but any album, I can do so too. If I want to listen to any random

> song of my collection, which is usually how I have my media player set

> up, I can do that as well.

>

> Now let's compare this with what the RIAA and other DRM advocates would

> like. They don't want me to copy the music from my CD. I can no longer do

> *ANY* of the above. I'm only able to listen to songs that are on the CD

> and nothing else.

>

> Listen to a random song I own? Not possible.

> Listen to a random song from any one artist (or selection of)? Not

> possible.

> Quickly find one particular song I'd like to listen to? While it may be

> physically possible to locate the CD quickly, it's still a hassle to have

> to switch physical media.

>

> Bottom line, I *DON'T* want that. It makes life for me as a consumer more

> difficult and reduces my ability to enjoy my content.

>

> Now if I buy illegal copies...

>

> Listen to a random song I own? Possible.

> Listen to a random song from any one artist? Possible.

> Quickly find one song? Possible.

> Do anything else I like? Possible.

>

> So why would anyone, in a DRM world, choose DRM content when non-DRM

> content has clear advantages when it comes to actually using the content?

>

> The same goes for movies. I actually have external hard drives that

> contain copies of my movies. As I use my computer with a TV attached to

> view my movies, this makes it very easy for me to watch any movie I want

> which I *legally* own.

 

Unfortunately your definition of legal and the legal definition of legal may

be different.

If the RIAA gets its way they will be different.

However they will have an awful lot of people to take to court and if every

one of those bought a few shares in the media companies they would soon

change their minds once they were unemployed.