On 12/19/2007 2:45 PM On a whim, forty-nine pounded out on the keyboard

> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

> news:OgdXqgfQIHA.4128@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> On 12/18/2007 6:34 PM On a whim, forty-nine pounded out on the keyboard

>>

>>> What does ubuntu 7.10 do that 7.04 or 6.06 can't do ?

>>> What does ubuntu do that any debian distro can't ?

>>> What does ubuntu do that Suse can't ?

>> Quite a difference between getting an upgrade for free and one that you

>> pay for, wouldn't you say? And you don't need hardware or software

>> upgrades for your list above, where you can't say the same most of the

>> time for an XP to Vista upgrade.

>>

>> --

>

> No..there isn't any difference.

> I am willing to pay for Vista , I have the disposable income , so I did.

> I like the OS, and now prefer it over XP.

> I also still use XP.

>

> I didn't need any hardware upgrades whatsoever...nor did I do any.

> Vista runs on the same hardware XP did for me.

>

 

Quite simply, there is a difference. One, you paid for it. Two, you

paid for something that doesn't run anything the prior OS couldn't run,

and many times runs less.

 

Most businesses I know, and friends and individual clients, won't spend

money on something that offers no advantage over what they have. You

did, that's great. Not even one large company I know of has moved to

Vista. Not until XP is no longer available and their current

workstations stop working that most will start to even think about a new OS.

 

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fkcd1j$d7m$2@aioe.org...

> forty-nine wrote:

>> "Alias" <akaalias@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:fkb055$vnb$1@aioe.org...

>>> serious wrote:

>>>> What size sample are we actually talking about? Is the data verified?

>>>> (sources, references) How has the data been measured?

>>>

>>> I used speedtest.net, a great web site for testing Internet speeds. I

>>> mentioned this on the Ubuntu board and was confirmed by many there who

>>> are dual booting with XP. Fact is I used the same machine with a dual

>>> boot of Ubuntu and XP.

>>>

>>> Alias

>

>>

>>

>> The ubuntu group verified your results ?

>> How surprising !

>

> What group would you suggest, the Win98 group?

>

> Alias

 

 

I notice you don't frequent alt.os.linux.ubuntu ... why do they call you

"Little Girl" ?

 

If you go there ... tell them to try $~ sudo get blow.up.doll make date

"Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

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> On 12/19/2007 2:45 PM On a whim, forty-nine pounded out on the keyboard

>

>> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

>> news:OgdXqgfQIHA.4128@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> On 12/18/2007 6:34 PM On a whim, forty-nine pounded out on the keyboard

>>>

>>>> What does ubuntu 7.10 do that 7.04 or 6.06 can't do ?

>>>> What does ubuntu do that any debian distro can't ?

>>>> What does ubuntu do that Suse can't ?

>>> Quite a difference between getting an upgrade for free and one that you

>>> pay for, wouldn't you say? And you don't need hardware or software

>>> upgrades for your list above, where you can't say the same most of the

>>> time for an XP to Vista upgrade.

>>>

>>> --

>>

>> No..there isn't any difference.

>> I am willing to pay for Vista , I have the disposable income , so I did.

>> I like the OS, and now prefer it over XP.

>> I also still use XP.

>>

>> I didn't need any hardware upgrades whatsoever...nor did I do any.

>> Vista runs on the same hardware XP did for me.

>

> Quite simply, there is a difference. One, you paid for it. Two, you paid

> for something that doesn't run anything the prior OS couldn't run, and

> many times runs less.

>

> Most businesses I know, and friends and individual clients, won't spend

> money on something that offers no advantage over what they have. You did,

> that's great. Not even one large company I know of has moved to Vista.

> Not until XP is no longer available and their current workstations stop

> working that most will start to even think about a new OS.

>

> --

> Terry R.

>

 

" Most businesses I know, and friends and individual clients, won't spend

> money on something that offers no advantage over what they have."

 

I'm not a large company.

I'm not a friend of yours.

I'm not one of your clients.

I only spent $160...I spend far more on XBOX 360 games...The games offer no

advantage to my life other than being fun to play.

 

You know strange people that scrutinize all their spending as advantageous

or not...guess they don't buy donuts either

On 12/19/2007 5:25 PM On a whim, forty-nine pounded out on the keyboard

> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

> news:%232k52TqQIHA.3388@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> On 12/19/2007 2:45 PM On a whim, forty-nine pounded out on the keyboard

>>

>>> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OgdXqgfQIHA.4128@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> On 12/18/2007 6:34 PM On a whim, forty-nine pounded out on the keyboard

>>>>

>>>>> What does ubuntu 7.10 do that 7.04 or 6.06 can't do ?

>>>>> What does ubuntu do that any debian distro can't ?

>>>>> What does ubuntu do that Suse can't ?

>>>> Quite a difference between getting an upgrade for free and one that you

>>>> pay for, wouldn't you say? And you don't need hardware or software

>>>> upgrades for your list above, where you can't say the same most of the

>>>> time for an XP to Vista upgrade.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>> No..there isn't any difference.

>>> I am willing to pay for Vista , I have the disposable income , so I did.

>>> I like the OS, and now prefer it over XP.

>>> I also still use XP.

>>>

>>> I didn't need any hardware upgrades whatsoever...nor did I do any.

>>> Vista runs on the same hardware XP did for me.

>> Quite simply, there is a difference. One, you paid for it. Two, you paid

>> for something that doesn't run anything the prior OS couldn't run, and

>> many times runs less.

>>

>> Most businesses I know, and friends and individual clients, won't spend

>> money on something that offers no advantage over what they have. You did,

>> that's great. Not even one large company I know of has moved to Vista.

>> Not until XP is no longer available and their current workstations stop

>> working that most will start to even think about a new OS.

>>

>

> I'm not a large company.

> I'm not a friend of yours.

> I'm not one of your clients.

> I only spent $160...I spend far more on XBOX 360 games...The games offer no

> advantage to my life other than being fun to play.

>

> You know strange people that scrutinize all their spending as advantageous

> or not...guess they don't buy donuts either

>

 

I wasn't speaking about you in particular. Maybe you missed, "You did,

that's great."

 

And I don't think people/companies are strange that scrutinize their

spending, I consider them wise.

 

 

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forty-nine wrote:

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

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>> forty-nine wrote:

>>> "Alias" <akaalias@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fkb055$vnb$1@aioe.org...

>>>> serious wrote:

>>>>> What size sample are we actually talking about? Is the data

>>>>> verified? (sources, references) How has the data been measured?

>>>>

>>>> I used speedtest.net, a great web site for testing Internet speeds.

>>>> I mentioned this on the Ubuntu board and was confirmed by many there

>>>> who are dual booting with XP. Fact is I used the same machine with a

>>>> dual boot of Ubuntu and XP.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> The ubuntu group verified your results ?

>>> How surprising !

>>

>> What group would you suggest, the Win98 group?

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> For you ?

> comp.os.linux.advocacy

 

No, to compare Internet download speeds between Ubuntu and XP, of

course. You're losing it, Forty-Nine.

 

Alias

forty-nine wrote:

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fkcd1j$d7m$2@aioe.org...

>> forty-nine wrote:

>>> "Alias" <akaalias@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fkb055$vnb$1@aioe.org...

>>>> serious wrote:

>>>>> What size sample are we actually talking about? Is the data

>>>>> verified? (sources, references) How has the data been measured?

>>>>

>>>> I used speedtest.net, a great web site for testing Internet speeds.

>>>> I mentioned this on the Ubuntu board and was confirmed by many there

>>>> who are dual booting with XP. Fact is I used the same machine with a

>>>> dual boot of Ubuntu and XP.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> The ubuntu group verified your results ?

>>> How surprising !

>>

>> What group would you suggest, the Win98 group?

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> I notice you don't frequent alt.os.linux.ubuntu ...

 

Oh, but I do. I just don't post much. I read a lot. When I have

questions about Ubuntu, that's not where I go.

> why do they call you

> "Little Girl" ?

 

They don't. That's another poster who happens to be female.

>

> If you go there ... tell them to try $~ sudo get blow.up.doll make date

 

Gosh, you're posts are so cute and clever.

 

Alias

All you do is defend Vista, regardless of the facts.

 

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:03:21 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"

<mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>"vista user 43" <fuv@groufa.com> wrote in message

>news:4767e9fa@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> Dear Mr. Vista fanboy....

>>

>> as I have said, vista is unfixable. period

>>

>>

>> want another prediction? Once sites or people that are important in the IT

>> field start expressing their opinion about horrible

>> vista is, a true AVALANCHE of articles about HOW BAD VISTA REALLY IS will

>> be spread all over the place..

>>

>> Now what is happening is that people are really not voicing their true

>> hatred for the worse, most crappy OS Microsoft has ever made.

>>

>> But once someone starts, more and more and more and more will be

>> expressed...

>>

>>

>> and this is a good thing.. the internet will let the truth spread and may

>> save some people from buying or upgrading to horrible vista.

>>

>>

>> I have said it.. and you will see that I am right.. vista is a flop... and

>> nobody will want it soon.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23$9SFWYQIHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> <thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:t0lfm3pc3qevrn6gc4sf64meq4ausm1n19@4ax.com...

>>>> 1. No Wow, No How: Windows Vista

>>>> Five years in the making and this is the best Microsoft could do?

>>>>

>>>> It's not that Vista is awful. The integrated security and parental

>>>> controls are nice, and the Aero interface is as whizzy as it gets.

>>>> Searching and wireless networking are much faster and easier than

>>>> under XP.

>>>>

>>>> It's just that Vista isn't all that good. Many of the innovations the

>>>> operating system was supposed to bring--like more efficient file and

>>>> communications systems--got tossed overboard as Microsoft struggled to

>>>> get the OS out the door, some three years after it was first promised.

>>>> Despite its hefty hardware requirements, Vista is slower than XP.

>>>>

>>>> When it debuted last January, incompatibilities were rampant--in part

>>>> because hardware and software makers didn't feel any urgency to revamp

>>>> their products to work with the new OS. The user account controls that

>>>> were supposed to make users feel safer just made them feel irritated.

>>>> And at $399 ($299 upgrade) for Windows Ultimate, we couldn't help

>>>> feeling more than a little gouged.

>>>>

>>>> No wonder so many users are clinging to XP like shipwrecked sailors to

>>>> a life raft, while others who made the upgrade are switching back. And

>>>> when the fastest Vista notebook PC World has ever tested is an Apple

>>>> MacBook Pro, there's something deeply wrong with the universe.

>>>>

>>>> We have no doubt Vista will come to dominate the PC landscape, if only

>>>> because it will become increasingly hard to buy a new machine that

>>>> doesn't have it pre-installed. And that's disappointing in its own

>>>> right.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> None of this allows for any improvements during Vista's second year. It

>>> is just endeavoring to spread more FUD..

>>>

>>> Move on..

>>>

>>> --

>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

>Although your post was directly under mine, it was not addressed to me, but

>I will pass comment anyway.

>

>All you do is spread FUD, and you appear to take great delight in it. You

>would rather do this than actually help anybody. You have, in the words of

>the cat which starred in the movie 'Babe', no purpose.

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:31:14 -0500, "Saucy" <f02877c@b510.57a8.net>

wrote:

 

>Well, Vista isn't exactly five years in the making. There was a big

>interruption, remember? Gates & Co. decided something had to be done about

>security. So OS development was put on hold except to pour over the code and

>address any security issues. And they did a good job as XP with SP2 came out

>much more hardened against attack. Much of what they learned plus much more

>was put into Vista.

>

>Saucy

 

 

Now that's a great way to build an OS, spend a few years, stop,

retrofit something huge like security. No wonder it is a kludge.

<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> All you do is defend Vista, regardless of the facts.

>

> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:03:21 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"

> <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>

>>"vista user 43" <fuv@groufa.com> wrote in message

>>news:4767e9fa@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> Dear Mr. Vista fanboy....

>>>

>>> as I have said, vista is unfixable. period

>>>

>>>

>>> want another prediction? Once sites or people that are important in the

>>> IT

>>> field start expressing their opinion about horrible

>>> vista is, a true AVALANCHE of articles about HOW BAD VISTA REALLY IS

>>> will

>>> be spread all over the place..

>>>

>>> Now what is happening is that people are really not voicing their true

>>> hatred for the worse, most crappy OS Microsoft has ever made.

>>>

>>> But once someone starts, more and more and more and more will be

>>> expressed...

>>>

>>>

>>> and this is a good thing.. the internet will let the truth spread and

>>> may

>>> save some people from buying or upgrading to horrible vista.

>>>

>>>

>>> I have said it.. and you will see that I am right.. vista is a flop...

>>> and

>>> nobody will want it soon.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23$9SFWYQIHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> <thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:t0lfm3pc3qevrn6gc4sf64meq4ausm1n19@4ax.com...

>>>>> 1. No Wow, No How: Windows Vista

>>>>> Five years in the making and this is the best Microsoft could do?

>>>>>

>>>>> It's not that Vista is awful. The integrated security and parental

>>>>> controls are nice, and the Aero interface is as whizzy as it gets.

>>>>> Searching and wireless networking are much faster and easier than

>>>>> under XP.

>>>>>

>>>>> It's just that Vista isn't all that good. Many of the innovations the

>>>>> operating system was supposed to bring--like more efficient file and

>>>>> communications systems--got tossed overboard as Microsoft struggled to

>>>>> get the OS out the door, some three years after it was first promised.

>>>>> Despite its hefty hardware requirements, Vista is slower than XP.

>>>>>

>>>>> When it debuted last January, incompatibilities were rampant--in part

>>>>> because hardware and software makers didn't feel any urgency to revamp

>>>>> their products to work with the new OS. The user account controls that

>>>>> were supposed to make users feel safer just made them feel irritated.

>>>>> And at $399 ($299 upgrade) for Windows Ultimate, we couldn't help

>>>>> feeling more than a little gouged.

>>>>>

>>>>> No wonder so many users are clinging to XP like shipwrecked sailors to

>>>>> a life raft, while others who made the upgrade are switching back. And

>>>>> when the fastest Vista notebook PC World has ever tested is an Apple

>>>>> MacBook Pro, there's something deeply wrong with the universe.

>>>>>

>>>>> We have no doubt Vista will come to dominate the PC landscape, if only

>>>>> because it will become increasingly hard to buy a new machine that

>>>>> doesn't have it pre-installed. And that's disappointing in its own

>>>>> right.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> None of this allows for any improvements during Vista's second year. It

>>>> is just endeavoring to spread more FUD..

>>>>

>>>> Move on..

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>Although your post was directly under mine, it was not addressed to me,

>>but

>>I will pass comment anyway.

>>

>>All you do is spread FUD, and you appear to take great delight in it. You

>>would rather do this than actually help anybody. You have, in the words of

>>the cat which starred in the movie 'Babe', no purpose.

 

 

 

Regardless of facts?

 

Do you mean 'old outdated facts'? Facts that do not and never did apply to

all users? Or maybe you mean the facts as presented by somebody who seems

unable to get Vista to work? Vista User 43 doesn't quote facts. Nothing of

what he says is based on personal experience, most likely because he has

none.

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx