On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:35:49 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>It is interesting to note...

>Posters are mostly in two categories.

>Those that top post and those that bottom post.

>

>What I have often found interesting is that there are those in one of

>those groups that are intolerant of those in the other and they are

>almost exclusively bottom posters.

>That is not to say all bottom posters are intolerant, but the majority

>of those intolerant are bottom posters.

>Top posters rarely complain about posting methods and instead are

>tolerant of others.

 

Grass is green, therefore leaves are grass.

 

 

What about top posters who don't know what a delimiter is?

In article <uOoqv34PIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, mikehall@mvps.com

says...

> There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom posting, but as it

> is used as a snipe by people when their other points fail, I will continue

> top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..

 

Mike, I don't call it Arrogance, and I'm not going to argue with you. I

would ask that you not let others trolling impact your decisions on how

to do things. Bottom posting is the norm, the way, the yen/yang, but

most of all, the only time to top post is when you delete everything

else in the reply (meaning that it's not really a top post).

 

I've been doing this (Usenet) since 84, it's one of the few areas on the

net where I actually picked up good information at a time when I was

less training in some areas, it's always been a good source of help for

people. Once MS discovered there was a internet and that it would play a

big part in computers, once they came out with the crappy OE ability to

reach Usenet, top posters just went through the roof - since OE

defaulted to that, like it was a broken email.

 

I'll ask one time and then I won't mention it again - snip/bottom post

like the majority of the quality Usenet denezins - please.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <e$XKy36PIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com says...

> Top posters rarely complain about posting methods and instead are

> tolerant of others.

 

Jupiter, people that do it (post) in a selfish way don't often complain

about people doing it to the norm/standard - they are doing it "because

they can" and they want to be different.

 

It's not got a thing to do with Tolerance, ever.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Dave

 

Scrolling is easy enough. I just choose not to want to do it in order to

read every post..

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

 

 

 

"Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

news:ukQf8s5PIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> The proper posting method is to assume that all previous posts have

>>> not been read, that they are unavailable, since usenet can drop

>>> posts based on many factors, and that the person doing the reply

>>> will SNIP parts that are unneeded. If this is followed there is

>>> almost no need to scroll in a windowed reader and the responses

>>> properly from from oldest to newest, like a book or snail mail would.

>

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom posting, but

>> as it is used as a snipe by people when their other points fail, I

>> will continue top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..

>

> To be fair, Leythos wasn't advocating bottom-posting. Contextualized

> inline posting, using generous snipping without cutting away too much

> "story" is the easiest type of post to follow. It may take a few more

> seconds to post this way, but the dividends are certainly worth the tiny

> effort.

>

> Oh, and in my newsreader (OE along with OE QuoteFix), scrolling is

> easily accomplished by pressing the space bar.

>

> --

> Daave

>

> And remember, kiddies, be sure to visit

> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html

>

>

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message news:uOoqv34PIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom posting, but as it

> is used as a snipe by people when their other points fail, I will continue

> top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..

 

*******Lets call it _stubborn stupidity_*******

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.21ce478d5de015549898d2@Adfree.usenet.com...

>> In article <eLKwcI0PIHA.3532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

>> F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com says...

>>> That is the fault of the poster if they don't snip what isn't relevant

>>> to their reply. Sure laziness can cause a lengthy post. But to take

>>> out EVERYTHING because of a delimiter being used when top posting is

>>> just wrong. Look at your answer above. It looks like you just made a

>>> comment out of nowhere.

>>

>> Not that I want to get in the war here, but Top Posting is a sign of

>> disrespect once you've been informed of the proper method. Top posting

>> is most common among the ignorant masses and people that believe they

>> are special and the norms don't apply to them.

>>

>> The proper posting method is to assume that all previous posts have not

>> been read, that they are unavailable, since usenet can drop posts based

>> on many factors, and that the person doing the reply will SNIP parts

>> that are unneeded. If this is followed there is almost no need to scroll

>> in a windowed reader and the responses properly from from oldest to

>> newest, like a book or snail mail would.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Leythos

>> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

>> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

>> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

>> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

>

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message news:MPG.21ceb9d5e0a9babf9898df@Adfree.usenet.com...

> In article <uOoqv34PIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, mikehall@mvps.com

> says...

>> There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom posting, but as it

>> is used as a snipe by people when their other points fail, I will continue

>> top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..

>

> Mike, I don't call it Arrogance, and I'm not going to argue with you. I

> would ask that you not let others trolling impact your decisions on how

> to do things. Bottom posting is the norm, the way, the yen/yang, but

> most of all, the only time to top post is when you delete everything

> else in the reply (meaning that it's not really a top post).

>

> I've been doing this (Usenet) since 84, it's one of the few areas on the

> net where I actually picked up good information at a time when I was

> less training in some areas, it's always been a good source of help for

> people. Once MS discovered there was a internet and that it would play a

> big part in computers, once they came out with the crappy OE ability to

> reach Usenet, top posters just went through the roof - since OE

> defaulted to that, like it was a broken email.

>

> I'll ask one time and then I won't mention it again - snip/bottom post

> like the majority of the quality Usenet denezins - please.

> Leythos

 

I cannot say for sure but I think that the latest/newest at the top is a

Microsoft thing. I noticed in add/remove programs the MS updates

are the latest/newest are at the top.

Actually, you made my point for me, Mike!

 

Inline posting would have preserved the flow and logical, linear order

of the information here. Now if someone wants to see the context of what

I'm talking about, it will be somewhat more difficult because of your

top-posted post and, now, my top-posted post.

 

If only you and I were having this conversation, it wouldn't matter at

all. But e-mail and Usenet are different. Usenet is structured for many

people to read and respond. That is why people are discouraged from

asking for personal e-mail replies to their questions.

 

Now, it's not really a big deal in the overall scheme of things. I'm far

more concerned with issues such as genocide. And many times, I will

chose to top-post because the post I am replying to has become too

disjointed. Although that may be fine for the person I'm replying to, it

interferes with the flow for everybody else.

 

*How much* does it interfere with it? Not nearly as much as some of the

other posters here have claimed. And, yes, it's possible to arrange

posts in a newsreader by date (oldest ones at the top) and to group

messages by conversation. But this is not the best method because some

news servers (Microsoft's included) may not carry *every* post and

plonked posters' messages won't show up either.

 

Bottom line:

 

Although it's easier for one to top-post, it's easier for everyone else

if one posts inline with appropriate snipping. And it just takes a few

more seconds.

 

 

 

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Dave

>

> Scrolling is easy enough. I just choose not to want to do it in order

> to read every post..

>

>

> "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

> news:ukQf8s5PIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> The proper posting method is to assume that all previous posts have

>>>> not been read, that they are unavailable, since usenet can drop

>>>> posts based on many factors, and that the person doing the reply

>>>> will SNIP parts that are unneeded. If this is followed there is

>>>> almost no need to scroll in a windowed reader and the responses

>>>> properly from from oldest to newest, like a book or snail mail

>>>> would.

>>

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>> There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom posting,

>>> but as it is used as a snipe by people when their other points

>>> fail, I will continue top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..

>>

>> To be fair, Leythos wasn't advocating bottom-posting. Contextualized

>> inline posting, using generous snipping without cutting away too much

>> "story" is the easiest type of post to follow. It may take a few more

>> seconds to post this way, but the dividends are certainly worth the

>> tiny effort.

>>

>> Oh, and in my newsreader (OE along with OE QuoteFix), scrolling is

>> easily accomplished by pressing the space bar.

>>

>> --

>> Daave

>>

>> And remember, kiddies, be sure to visit

>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html

Frank, you are not in a good position to point a finger at anybody for

whatever behavior a person may demonstrate.. :-)

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

 

 

 

"Frank" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message

news:uCPZfK$PIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

news:uOoqv34PIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom posting, but as

> it

> is used as a snipe by people when their other points fail, I will continue

> top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..

 

*******Lets call it _stubborn stupidity_*******

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.21ce478d5de015549898d2@Adfree.usenet.com...

>> In article <eLKwcI0PIHA.3532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

>> F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com says...

>>> That is the fault of the poster if they don't snip what isn't relevant

>>> to their reply. Sure laziness can cause a lengthy post. But to take

>>> out EVERYTHING because of a delimiter being used when top posting is

>>> just wrong. Look at your answer above. It looks like you just made a

>>> comment out of nowhere.

>>

>> Not that I want to get in the war here, but Top Posting is a sign of

>> disrespect once you've been informed of the proper method. Top posting

>> is most common among the ignorant masses and people that believe they

>> are special and the norms don't apply to them.

>>

>> The proper posting method is to assume that all previous posts have not

>> been read, that they are unavailable, since usenet can drop posts based

>> on many factors, and that the person doing the reply will SNIP parts

>> that are unneeded. If this is followed there is almost no need to scroll

>> in a windowed reader and the responses properly from from oldest to

>> newest, like a book or snail mail would.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Leythos

>> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

>> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

>> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

>> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

>

OK, snipping done.

 

Have I top posted or bottom posted? :-)

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Frank, you are not in a good position to point a finger at anybody for

> whatever behavior a person may demonstrate.. :-)

>

 

He's not *our* Frank, Mike. Look at the headers he's using OE.

 

You *are* being stubbornly stupid, though.

 

Alias

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> OK, snipping done.

>

> Have I top posted or bottom posted? :-)

 

Neither and both. :-)

 

And again, as far as our conversation is concerned, we know what we've

been talking about. But can you see how it's bad form for everyone else?

There's absolutely no context. Snipping everything is worse than

snipping nothing at all.

 

Do you agree that it's bad form to post in HTML in a text newsgroup? Why

or why not?

"Frank" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message

news:ejNoKN$PIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

 

I cannot say for sure but I think that the latest/newest at the top is a

Microsoft thing. I noticed in add/remove programs the MS updates

are the latest/newest are at the top.

 

 

Frank

Not on my computer they don't.

In Add/Remove you have four 'Sort by' choices -

Name

Size

Frequency of Use

Date last used

It matters not which you choose, all the MS security/priority updates show

latest at the bottom, oldest at the top - unless you are referring to

something else :-) or there is another way to show newest at the top etc.

 

 

Antioch

I don't mind top posting OR bottom posting but I HATE middle

posting where I have to scroll/stop dozens of times all the way

through large posting replies. The people who parse for ever and

ever through every sentence or phrase should be thrashed.

-

Doug W.

---------------------

 

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

news:MPG.21ceb9d5e0a9babf9898df@Adfree.usenet.com...

> In article <uOoqv34PIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> mikehall@mvps.com

> says...

>> There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom

>> posting, but as it

>> is used as a snipe by people when their other points fail, I

>> will continue

>> top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..

>

> Mike, I don't call it Arrogance, and I'm not going to argue

> with you. I

> would ask that you not let others trolling impact your

> decisions on how

> to do things. Bottom posting is the norm, the way, the

> yen/yang, but

> most of all, the only time to top post is when you delete

> everything

> else in the reply (meaning that it's not really a top post).

>

> I've been doing this (Usenet) since 84, it's one of the few

> areas on the

> net where I actually picked up good information at a time when

> I was

> less training in some areas, it's always been a good source of

> help for

> people. Once MS discovered there was a internet and that it

> would play a

> big part in computers, once they came out with the crappy OE

> ability to

> reach Usenet, top posters just went through the roof - since

> OE

> defaulted to that, like it was a broken email.

>

> I'll ask one time and then I won't mention it again -

> snip/bottom post

> like the majority of the quality Usenet denezins - please.

>

> --

>

> Leythos

> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like

> calling a

> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:47:31 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"

<mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>Frank, you are not in a good position to point a finger at anybody for

>whatever behavior a person may demonstrate.. :-)

 

Can anyone see the thread ?

 

Oh, that darned delimiter of yours.

 

It's a twofer.

Dave

 

Apart from the troll posts, most are not too long. If I am going to

intercept a post, I read the original first and make my way down such that I

understand what has been said already.

 

Fishing through long, badly edited/snipped posts and where answers have been

interleaved is tiresome at best, and is not in the interests of newbies to

newsgroups at all.

 

There will always be some who complain anyway. Re HTML, I don't think it

matters quite honestly. We are here to help people, not criticize the way

they post, the grammar, the spelling.

 

There has to be give and take on all sides.

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

 

 

 

"Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message

news:%23YIeR6$PIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> OK, snipping done.

>>

>> Have I top posted or bottom posted? :-)

>

> Neither and both. :-)

>

> And again, as far as our conversation is concerned, we know what we've

> been talking about. But can you see how it's bad form for everyone else?

> There's absolutely no context. Snipping everything is worse than

> snipping nothing at all.

>

> Do you agree that it's bad form to post in HTML in a text newsgroup? Why

> or why not?

>

>

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> If I am going to intercept a post, I read the original first and make

> my way down such that I understand what has been said already.

 

That was one of my points. You (or someone else) may not be able to see

all those posts for a number of reasons. The use of inline posting along

with judicious snipping enables *everyone* to easily follow and

participate. By only being concerned with what you believe works best

for *you*, you disrupt the flow for *others*. You may not think it's an

issue worth correcting. And it's arguably a small issue. But it's the

issue of the advantage of inline posting, which is what we are

discussing.

> Fishing through long, badly edited/snipped posts and where answers

> have been interleaved is tiresome at best, and is not in the

> interests of newbies to newsgroups at all.

 

I totally agree. Note that although there is interleaving here, this

post is easier for everyone to read, including Usenet newbies.

> There will always be some who complain anyway. Re HTML, I don't think

> it matters quite honestly. We are here to help people, not criticize

> the way they post, the grammar, the spelling.

 

At least you're consistent. :-)

"not got a thing to do with Tolerance"

And yet is is mostly those from one group demonstrating their

intolerance.

The intolerance is in this thread.

I suppose it is easy to ignore something when that something is done

by those supporting your views.

The intolerance is there for anyone to see, in this thread.

 

Be careful, your post has a few ASSUMPTIONS.

And as said before most here know what it means to ASSUME.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

 

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

news:MPG.21ceba86cc7faf339898e0@Adfree.usenet.com...

> Jupiter, people that do it (post) in a selfish way don't often

> complain

> about people doing it to the norm/standard - they are doing it

> "because

> they can" and they want to be different.

>

> It's not got a thing to do with Tolerance, ever.

>

> --

>

> Leythos

> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling

> a

> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <e7gw6PBQIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, mikehall@mvps.com

says...

> Fishing through long, badly edited/snipped posts and where answers have been

> interleaved is tiresome at best, and is not in the interests of newbies to

> newsgroups at all.

 

And in Usenet you can never be sure who is going to see what, so it's

best to assume that it's your message that they see and not ones

before/after, so it's best to either bottom/inline post or not at all.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <OpYCpFDQIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,

jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com says...

> "not got a thing to do with Tolerance"

> And yet is is mostly those from one group demonstrating their

> intolerance.

> The intolerance is in this thread.

> I suppose it is easy to ignore something when that something is done

> by those supporting your views.

> The intolerance is there for anyone to see, in this thread.

 

Why should one be expected to tolerate that which is broken on purpose?

 

Why should one be expected to tolerate that which breaks the norm, when

they are broken for selfish reasons?

 

Your claim is hollow - it does not hold any weight.

> Be careful, your post has a few ASSUMPTIONS.

> And as said before most here know what it means to ASSUME.

 

Yes, but my post was polite and requested that the norms of Usenet be

followed for several reason, which some continue to ignore for their own

self-importance positions.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:44:29 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>"not got a thing to do with Tolerance"

>And yet is is mostly those from one group demonstrating their

>intolerance.

>The intolerance is in this thread.

>I suppose it is easy to ignore something when that something is done

>by those supporting your views.

>The intolerance is there for anyone to see, in this thread.

>

>Be careful, your post has a few ASSUMPTIONS.

>And as said before most here know what it means to ASSUME.

 

What are you talking about?

 

That delimiter made everything disappear.

 

Of course, I could go through gyrations to accomodate your inability

to configure your software.

 

Maybe not.

Everything is there except what I snipped.

And as usual I snipped all but the last post.

 

"made everything disappear."

My newsreader lets me see the entire post.

 

"Maybe not"

entirely your choice.

 

"your inability"

More ASSUMPTIONS on your part.

You should really stop ASSUMING.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

 

"WaIIy" <WaIIy@(nft).invalid> wrote in message

news:92abm3pph66bf4af2jcn2ef6u0rumu0m38@4ax.com...

> What are you talking about?

>

> That delimiter made everything disappear.

>

> Of course, I could go through gyrations to accomodate your inability

> to configure your software.

>

> Maybe not.

There is a lot of talk about not seeing stuff and yet all of my top posts

have been seen. The only difference is that there is not a lot of crap above

or below. Or is there?

 

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

 

 

 

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

news:MPG.21cf66b41539c1029898e7@Adfree.usenet.com...

> In article <e7gw6PBQIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, mikehall@mvps.com

> says...

>> Fishing through long, badly edited/snipped posts and where answers have

>> been

>> interleaved is tiresome at best, and is not in the interests of newbies

>> to

>> newsgroups at all.

>

> And in Usenet you can never be sure who is going to see what, so it's

> best to assume that it's your message that they see and not ones

> before/after, so it's best to either bottom/inline post or not at all.

>

> --

>

> Leythos

> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

I see your posts just fine and when I hit "Reply" , everything goes with

it to my reply which I can edit for content if needed.

 

With Jupiter's posts, the use of a delimiter in the sig causes all below

the delimiter to disappear when "Reply" is chosen.

 

You don't have a delimiter set for your sig, so no problem.

 

Since you both are using Windows Mail, apparently there is some option

in there to turn it off.

 

He/she is aware of this but has gone mini-postal on the subject.

 

 

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:20:56 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"

<mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>There is a lot of talk about not seeing stuff and yet all of my top posts

>have been seen. The only difference is that there is not a lot of crap above

>or below. Or is there?

>

>Mike Hall - MVP

>http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

>"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

>news:MPG.21cf66b41539c1029898e7@Adfree.usenet.com...

>> In article <e7gw6PBQIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, mikehall@mvps.com

>> says...

>>> Fishing through long, badly edited/snipped posts and where answers have

>>> been

>>> interleaved is tiresome at best, and is not in the interests of newbies

>>> to

>>> newsgroups at all.

>>

>> And in Usenet you can never be sure who is going to see what, so it's

>> best to assume that it's your message that they see and not ones

>> before/after, so it's best to either bottom/inline post or not at all.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Leythos

>> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

>> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

>> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

>> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <exzpQpDQIHA.5264@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, mikehall@mvps.com

says...

> There is a lot of talk about not seeing stuff and yet all of my top posts

> have been seen. The only difference is that there is not a lot of crap above

> or below. Or is there?

 

A proper Usenet client inserts and understands the signature delimiter -

the method you use (and I've not looked in the headers) does not appear

to understand proper Usenet posting/reply rules for formats. Your client

should have properly removed my signature lines (everything below the

two dashes + cr) and yours should have had a delimiter just above your

signature.

 

Why do you insist on not following proper Usenet etiquette? I'm just

curious as I would have thought a MVP would try and follow standards and

norms more than any other group.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <vnebm3d5mq6jksqdopu59l8tfsjivr34vp@4ax.com>, WaIIy@

(nft).invalid says...

> With Jupiter's posts, the use of a delimiter in the sig causes all below

> the delimiter to disappear when "Reply" is chosen.

>

> You don't have a delimiter set for your sig, so no problem.

 

Actually, it is a problem, since he doesn't use the delimiter it means

that his sig is not properly seen as a sig my Usenet clients that follow

the standards, and that means that his sig is included be people reply

to his posts - thus, it's broken.

 

If you're going to top post then you should not put a sig in at all.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)