"Maybe it would be better if the spam warnings were just the subject

line"

That seems like a good idea.

But sometimes a change in the subject is seen by some newsreaders as

the start of a new thread and not a continuation of the old.

There probably is no good solution while spammers continue to do what

they do, spam us all.

 

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"he" <who@dat.dere> wrote in message

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> Agree - smart and helpful.

> I find the *SPAM* warnings to be annoying, but I guess after seeing

> this

> discussion that maybe there are those that can't identify spam for

> themselves. I can just filter out the subjects ending with *SPAM*

> and

> leave her useful posts, so I won't complain.

> Maybe it would be better if the spam warnings were just the subject

> line

> on an empty post? After all, if the intention is to have people

> avoid

> reading the post, why have anything in there at all?

Which newsreader are you using. Nothing wrong with word wrap here

 

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"Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message news:OMPRZUmPIHA.5860@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Peter Foldes wrote:

>> mikeyhsd

>>

>> You are wrong about Malke. She is more helpful that most as it

>> testifies her web page for help with Malware\Trojans and viruses. And

>> her warning about Spam is appropriate for most new or one time

>> posters

>>

>> You claim for posting in HTML is not valid reason. Read carefully and

>> you will see that text based newsgroups is not marked as allowed to

>> post in HTML.

>>

>> Funny that you do not get many answers to your posts. Most if not all

>> will not open HTML based posts

>

> Good post, Peter.

>

> Can you please fix your word wrap settings? Thanks much!

>

>

MAP wrote:

> Seems like I read what I was expecting ...instead of what was

> written.It sux getting old! Avoid it at all costs.

 

I've been trying to. So, far it hasn't worked too well.

 

Still, better than the alternative, eh?

She is already changing the subject line by adding " - *SPAM*"

(which appears to be working)

 

I feel it is best to just ignore the spammers - any form of response

seems to just encourage them.

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in

news:uB6TupsPIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> "Maybe it would be better if the spam warnings were just the subject

> line"

> That seems like a good idea.

> But sometimes a change in the subject is seen by some newsreaders as

> the start of a new thread and not a continuation of the old.

> There probably is no good solution while spammers continue to do what

> they do, spam us all.

>

> --

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> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

>

>

>

> "he" <who@dat.dere> wrote in message

> news:Xns9A06CE25B4FC41h6y23@207.46.248.16...

>> Agree - smart and helpful.

>> I find the *SPAM* warnings to be annoying, but I guess after seeing

>> this

>> discussion that maybe there are those that can't identify spam for

>> themselves. I can just filter out the subjects ending with *SPAM*

>> and

>> leave her useful posts, so I won't complain.

>> Maybe it would be better if the spam warnings were just the subject

>> line

>> on an empty post? After all, if the intention is to have people

>> avoid

>> reading the post, why have anything in there at all?

>

>

>

Peter Foldes wrote:

> Which newsreader are you using. Nothing wrong with word wrap here

 

Yes, there is. I believe it is because you are using Quoted-Printable,

which presumably negates word-wrap settings.

 

By the way, I'm using Outlook Express (but for yucks, I tried Xnews,

too). This is how to enable word wrap properly:

 

Tools | Options | Message Format: Uuencode

On 12/14/2007 4:55 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the

keyboard

> "I use Agent"

> Irrelevant.

>

> You are free to deal with it how you want.

> What you are not free to do is insist others comply with your desires.

> Others have the same choice.

> You have many options depending on your news reader.

> You deal with it, and that means within the confines of your own

> computer system.

>

 

Which means you missed the whole point. It's not about "our desires",

but about what is a standard, which MS has clearly stepped away from.

 

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On 12/14/2007 4:59 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the

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> "Usenet, not a Microsoft "Forum""

> You are not entirely correct.

> Many post here directly from the Microsoft servers and others from

> Microsoft forums depending on the specific newsgroup.

> the fact these newsgroups are propagated beyond Microsoft is another

> issue and not really relevant.

> Those posting from Microsoft newsgroups or forums are bound to follow

> the rules set up by Microsoft not rules dictated by you, me or anyone

> else.

>

 

And MS condones the use of top posting and a delimiter which wipes out

all previous communication? Please direct me to where their etiquette

rules point that out.

 

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> "show me the Microsoft "Rules" regarding top-posting"

> There is nothing since BOTH top and bottom are fully acceptable.

 

Both may be acceptable, but PLEASE direct me to where a delimiter is

supposed to be used when top posting.

>

> "the chapter on MVP top-posting."

> Obviously there is no such chapter since there is no such book.

> However the same rules that apply to you apply to me, no more and no

> less.

>

 

And none of them discuss top posting with a delimiter.

> "Microsoft Posting Handbook"

> There is no such thing and you know it.

> This is about as close as it gets:

> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

>

> "BTW, how do you think this group got on Usenet ?"

> Again, not relevant.

> Those posting through Microsoft servers have no obligation other than

> what Microsoft has already asked.

>

 

And when does an answer posted shouldn't have the question before it?

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> "I'm sorry I upset you"

> Please stop ASSUMING, as before you are simply WRONG.

> You should know what it means to ASSUME and the pitfalls that go with

> ASSUMING.

> If by some slim chance you are not assuming, you are posturing, and

> that is just a bad.

>

 

I "assume" you know nothing about delimiters and how they are used in

posting. And I am NOT wrong by your answers. You choose to continue in a

manner that is not accepted by most newsgroups, just because you use a

faulty news client.

 

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> Wally, I read the posts in order. It is much easier to read one post to

> another than to have to scroll down a whole bunch of badly edited previous

> messages. Many bottom posters are unable to determine who said what

> regardless of whether the original posts were top or bottom.

>

> Top posting eliminates this problem. Welcome to the NEW Usenet..

>

 

I think you mean the Microsoft Usenet. Nothing new Mike. It's been

wrong all along.

 

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"Wally" <wally@(nft).invalid> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:19:44 -0000, "antioch" <antioch@home.com> wrote:

>

>>Wally

>>It would appear you have never heard the term 'contextualizing'?

>

> <Snipped blah-blah>

 

Obviously not

> It's very difficult to follow a thread that's always top-posted, let

> alone a mixed top/bottom posted thread.

 

Agreed, but then if one comes into the middle of a post you will always have

that problem - however, if properly contextualized understanding is made

easier.

> To have a top poster with a delimiter that wipes virtually everything

> out under their post, is absurd.

 

Smokescreen - delimiter has its uses but not in every case - if the thread

has been followed properly a single line response top posted to another

individual is understandable. Contextualizing in my opinion, should always

be a consideration.

> Perhaps you just don't know how a delimiter works.

 

I do - but then I think it less important than replies made in context.

> I forgive your lack of knowledge and hope this will create an incentive

> for you to understand what I'm talking about.

 

I think your lack of knowledge of contextualizing is probably greater than

mine in using a delimiter. I trust you have been able to follow this

response - perhaps not.

Forgiveness is not required :-)

 

Rgds

Antioch

"Wally" <wally@(nft).invalid> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:01:42 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>>Everything but what I deliberately snipped is in the reply.

>

>

> This is a perfect example. How the heck is somene supposed to

> figure this out?

>

> Are you really that clueless ?

 

Wally

I followed the reply OK - why cannot you?

Its is what the British Army called an ABC message -

Accurate enough and Brief enough to cover the Bare essentials.

QED - or do you need that to be translated/explained?

 

Rgds

Antioch

Are you top posting out of spite now?

Antioch

 

"Wally" <wally@(nft).invalid> wrote in message

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>

>

> Obviously, you have no understanding of delimiters or how they work.

> Rather than take the time to learn, you obfuscate and end up

> taking the position of having your feelings hurt.

>

> Please accept my apology, as I did not mean to hurt your feelings.

>

> My intention was to assist you in learning about Usenet.

>

> Again, I'm sorry I upset you, as that was not my intention.

>

>

> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:37:33 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>>You are also free to continue in the ASSUMPTIONS of your last post,

>>there are more than one.

>>Remember what it means to ASSUME.

>>

>>I guess your understanding of "condescending and quite arrogant" is

>>suggesting you not have others comply with your own desires.

>>Your post can as easily be applied to you.

>>You should really read it.

>>

>>However you are rapidly heading the direction of insults as shown in

>>the 2nd line of your post.

>>And at that point nothing else of value is possible.

>>

>>Perhaps it is time for you to deal with real issues as suggested by

>>the title of the newsgroup instead of trivial matters such as posting

>>styles which are not relevant to these newsgroups.

>>

>>Bye

>

I think that it is wrong to have to scroll down every message looking for an

answer..

 

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> I think that it is wrong to have to scroll down every message looking

> for an answer..

>

 

Not necessary if you know how to use a computer. Need help?

 

Alias

So having to scroll down through the question, and more often a whole bunch

of other stuff that has been badly edited is down to me not knowing how to

use a computer?

 

Do you ever have anything sensible to add? Shouldn't you be doing 'real'

work in Abiword, or haven't you found which side of the cube you left it

last?

 

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fk0t2o$tab$3@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> I think that it is wrong to have to scroll down every message looking for

>> an answer..

>>

>

> Not necessary if you know how to use a computer. Need help?

>

> Alias

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> So having to scroll down through the question, and more often a whole

> bunch of other stuff that has been badly edited is down to me not

> knowing how to use a computer?

 

No, not knowing how to do it without scrolling is.

> Do you ever have anything sensible to add? Shouldn't you be doing 'real'

> work in Abiword, or haven't you found which side of the cube you left it

> last?

>

 

I guess you do need help. Too bad your ego gets in the way of asking for

it and you have to resort to infantile insults in a lame attempt at

discrediting me and distracting from the message. Now do you want to

learn how to read bottom posted messages without needing to scroll or not?

 

Alias

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:54:59 -0000, "antioch" <antioch@home.com> wrote:

>Are you top posting out of spite now?

>Antioch

>

>"Wally" <wally@(nft).invalid> wrote in message

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No, I don't do things out of spite. It's not in my makeup.

Then you freely accept the risks when you ASSUME of being WRONG which

you are in this case.

 

Be careful what you ASSUME.

 

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"Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message

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> I "assume" you know nothing about delimiters and how they are used

> in posting. And I am NOT wrong by your answers. You choose to

> continue in a manner that is not accepted by most newsgroups, just

> because you use a faulty news client.

>

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I can't wait for you to tell me..

 

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fk0ujc$1us$2@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> So having to scroll down through the question, and more often a whole

>> bunch of other stuff that has been badly edited is down to me not knowing

>> how to use a computer?

>

> No, not knowing how to do it without scrolling is.

>

>> Do you ever have anything sensible to add? Shouldn't you be doing 'real'

>> work in Abiword, or haven't you found which side of the cube you left it

>> last?

>>

>

> I guess you do need help. Too bad your ego gets in the way of asking for

> it and you have to resort to infantile insults in a lame attempt at

> discrediting me and distracting from the message. Now do you want to learn

> how to read bottom posted messages without needing to scroll or not?

>

> Alias

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> I can't wait for you to tell me..

>

 

Easy, select the message. Click on the message body. Hit End on your

keyboard. Voila!, no scrolling.

 

Alias

Wouldn't that depend on the size of the window which opened? I don't run

with all windows maximized. I have more to do than just reply to your

condescension's. Perhaps you should try doing the same in Ubuntu, assuming

that you can find more than just Abiword and Agent to fill up the space.

 

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fk127j$cdt$1@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> I can't wait for you to tell me..

>>

>

> Easy, select the message. Click on the message body. Hit End on your

> keyboard. Voila!, no scrolling.

>

> Alias

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Wouldn't that depend on the size of the window which opened?

 

No.

> I don't run

> with all windows maximized.

 

Nor do I.

> I have more to do than just reply to your

> condescension's. Perhaps you should try doing the same in Ubuntu,

> assuming that you can find more than just Abiword and Agent to fill up

> the space.

 

I don't use Agent and why are you changing the subject to Ubuntu again?

 

Alias

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

> Wouldn't that depend on the size of the window which opened?

 

That depends on the *newsreader* in the first place. The one that I'm using

at the moment jumps to the message at the bottom of the list rather than to

the end of a selected message when hitting the "End" key.

 

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On 12/15/2007 9:07 AM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the

keyboard

> Then you freely accept the risks when you ASSUME of being WRONG which

> you are in this case.

>

> Be careful what you ASSUME.

>

 

I KNOW that top posting using a delimiter is caused by a faulty

newsreader. And a proper newsreader would not insert a delimiter if the

user chooses to top post.

 

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