"Your typical behavior is to trumpet..."

That fits you as you continue your stalking.

 

However that is not the issue.

The issue is the statement you made that at least two do not believe.

 

Can you prove your statement or not?

Simple question you continue to avoid.

If you can, do so.

If not, your FALSE statements speak of your character.

 

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:43:34 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> Your typical behavior is to trumpet like a bull elephant every time

> anybody dares to be critical of Microsoft. Why is that?

On 7/11/2007 4:43 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the

keyboard

> In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.

>

> Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you

> own character than those you need to insult.

> Typical of your behavior.

>

> You call others "blowhard" while it is you making statements you can

> not prove.

> Post your source or let your own words mark you as you so falsely call

> others.

>

 

But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a cleaner

and trashes their system, there is another who understands how to use

one and appreciates the results.

 

I think most can agree that:

 

If a user is inexperienced or of limited knowledge of Windows, they

shouldn't dive into what they don't understand.

 

If a user is experienced and understands how to use a cleaner

effectively, while knowing the risks (and taking them into account),

they feel comfortable using the features a cleaner can offer.

 

I believe we're all one or the other. Users just need to be able to

admit which one they are.

 

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No dispute there.

What you say can apply to almost everything, not just computers.

 

However Adam seems to need to misquote to make his point.

That is what happens when myths are created for an agenda.

 

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> But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a

> cleaner and trashes their system, there is another who understands

> how to use one and appreciates the results.

>

> I think most can agree that:

>

> If a user is inexperienced or of limited knowledge of Windows, they

> shouldn't dive into what they don't understand.

>

> If a user is experienced and understands how to use a cleaner

> effectively, while knowing the risks (and taking them into account),

> they feel comfortable using the features a cleaner can offer.

>

> I believe we're all one or the other. Users just need to be able to

> admit which one they are.

>

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:32:46 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>No dispute there.

>What you say can apply to almost everything, not just computers.

>

>However Adam seems to need to misquote to make his point.

>That is what happens when myths are created for an agenda.

 

Are you "stalking" me now?

 

I haven't misquoted anybody. I simply expose the lame arguments the

anti Registry Cleaner gang keeps making. The main one being they

pretend all Registry Cleaners have a big red flashing button everybody

is going to push without thinking that will automatically trash your

system.

 

I'm sorry if it is easy for me to make chop liver out of the claims

the usual gang makes. Try harder to present FACTS.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:18:59 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>

wrote:

>On 7/11/2007 4:43 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the

>keyboard

>

>> In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.

>>

>> Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you

>> own character than those you need to insult.

>> Typical of your behavior.

>>

>> You call others "blowhard" while it is you making statements you can

>> not prove.

>> Post your source or let your own words mark you as you so falsely call

>> others.

>>

>

>But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a cleaner

>and trashes their system, there is another who understands how to use

>one and appreciates the results.

 

Exactly. That's why the self-anointed "expert" crowd piss me off. They

always pretend THEY know it all and all the rest of us should sit

quietly with our hands folded in our laps and just listen to them

pontificating. Damn funny for sure, helpful, no. In fact all the

trumpeting has the effect of spooking less experienced users with

their half-truths and overblown fear mongering.

 

Registry cleaners aren't a cure all. They aren't Pandora's box

either... just another tool when used wisely can be helpful.

On 7/11/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Adam Albright pounded out on the keyboard

> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:18:59 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>

> wrote:

>

>> On 7/11/2007 4:43 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the

>> keyboard

>>

>>> In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.

>>>

>>> Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you

>>> own character than those you need to insult.

>>> Typical of your behavior.

>>>

>>> You call others "blowhard" while it is you making statements you can

>>> not prove.

>>> Post your source or let your own words mark you as you so falsely call

>>> others.

>>>

>> But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a cleaner

>> and trashes their system, there is another who understands how to use

>> one and appreciates the results.

>

> Exactly. That's why the self-anointed "expert" crowd piss me off. They

> always pretend THEY know it all and all the rest of us should sit

> quietly with our hands folded in our laps and just listen to them

> pontificating. Damn funny for sure, helpful, no. In fact all the

> trumpeting has the effect of spooking less experienced users with

> their half-truths and overblown fear mongering.

>

> Registry cleaners aren't a cure all. They aren't Pandora's box

> either... just another tool when used wisely can be helpful.

>

 

I think if you stick to your last statement, no one can argue with you,

with the key being, "when used wisely".

 

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:22:23 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>

wrote:

>On 7/11/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Adam Albright pounded out on the keyboard

>

>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:18:59 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> On 7/11/2007 4:43 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the

>>> keyboard

>>>

>>>> In other words you CAN NOT support your claim yet again.

>>>>

>>>> Your need to insult others when you have no facts displays more of you

>>>> own character than those you need to insult.

>>>> Typical of your behavior.

>>>>

>>>> You call others "blowhard" while it is you making statements you can

>>>> not prove.

>>>> Post your source or let your own words mark you as you so falsely call

>>>> others.

>>>>

>>> But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a cleaner

>>> and trashes their system, there is another who understands how to use

>>> one and appreciates the results.

>>

>> Exactly. That's why the self-anointed "expert" crowd piss me off. They

>> always pretend THEY know it all and all the rest of us should sit

>> quietly with our hands folded in our laps and just listen to them

>> pontificating. Damn funny for sure, helpful, no. In fact all the

>> trumpeting has the effect of spooking less experienced users with

>> their half-truths and overblown fear mongering.

>>

>> Registry cleaners aren't a cure all. They aren't Pandora's box

>> either... just another tool when used wisely can be helpful.

>>

>

>I think if you stick to your last statement, no one can argue with you,

>with the key being, "when used wisely".

 

The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are

"smart" enough to do so. -) Which is of course what they do with

every thread.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are

>"smart" enough to do so. -) Which is of course what they do with

>every thread.

 

As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..

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In theory you'll gain increased performance when removing dead

registrations. That theory is counterbalanced against a 3rd party tool

trying to generically determine what is "safe" to delete/remove/edit.

 

Much like its deletion of file backups: you will certainly gain some amount

of disk space back, but what is the associated cost?

 

It's a nettlesome issue with no overwhelming verdicts either way. Just

realize that it's a potentially dangerous area, so treat it as a toy for

power users and use it with some level of thought.

 

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are

>"smart" enough to do so. -) Which is of course what they do with

>every thread.

 

As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY

someone should use a registry cleaner..

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are

>>"smart" enough to do so. -) Which is of course what they do with

>>every thread.

>

>As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..

 

It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on

WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by

deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to

making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up

performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also

(though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one

that seems to hang for no apparent reason.

 

A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in

your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:08:52 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>

>>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>

>>>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are

>>>"smart" enough to do so. -) Which is of course what they do with

>>>every thread.

>>

>>As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..

>

>It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on

>WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by

>deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to

>making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up

>performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also

>(though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one

>that seems to hang for no apparent reason.

>

>A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in

>your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?

 

you mean 20 grains of sand ? Possibly because finding those 20 grains would be more waste than just ignoring them.

Even if you should delete the 3000 lines a first scan will present you with, it would nowhere near compare to 800 pounds of trash.

 

Sorry but a bloated registry is a myth. Even if you should delete all 3000 lines of a 1st scan, you're still not even talking about cleaning out 1 meg of keys. Any advantages found after using a registry cleaner would be the same found, if you just deleted the OFFENDING 2-3 keys that might be causing you trouble. And I've found those keys come from trojans, virus, kiddie scripts, yahoo toolbars, down loaders, and other stuff that don't want you to know they're there. In those cases it's not a registry cleaner you need but a specialized tool that hunts for those things like 'hijackthis', but even that requires specialized treatment. Because it's a registry cleaner also. 3000 lines = 136 kb. Maybe a bit more. Do you really believe 136 kb is a noticeable difference on a drive retrieving data at 3 mbps ?

 

Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.

My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.

 

registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:09:37 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:08:52 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>>

>>>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are

>>>>"smart" enough to do so. -) Which is of course what they do with

>>>>every thread.

>>>

>>>As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..

>>

>>It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on

>>WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by

>>deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to

>>making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up

>>performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also

>>(though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one

>>that seems to hang for no apparent reason.

>>

>>A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in

>>your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?

>

>you mean 20 grains of sand ? Possibly because finding those 20 grains would be more waste than just ignoring them.

>Even if you should delete the 3000 lines a first scan will present you with, it would nowhere near compare to 800 pounds of trash.

 

The FACT is you have no idea what anybody's Registry may contain in

the way of garbage. If the example you gave is factual it points to

you being reckless if you have 3,000 lines of clutter in your Registry

and somebody like you may actually benefit from using a Registry

Cleaner if you use it wisely.

>

>Sorry but a bloated registry is a myth. Even if you should delete all 3000 lines of a 1st scan, you're still not even talking about cleaning out 1 meg of keys.

 

How many times do you have to be told it isn't the volume of clutter,

but WHAT is cluttering up your Registry? Just a few lines can cause

issues. Again, it depends what if anything is wrong about what's

contained in your Registry. You're the guy, not me, that keeps

throwing out some absurd 3,000 lines in a first scan.

>Any advantages found after using a registry cleaner would be the same found, if you just deleted the OFFENDING 2-3 keys that might be causing you trouble. And I've found those keys come from trojans, virus, kiddie scripts, yahoo toolbars, down loaders, and other stuff that don't want you to know they're there. In those cases it's not a registry cleaner you need but a specialized tool that hunts for those things like 'hijackthis', but even that requires specialized treatment. Because it's a registry cleaner also. 3000 lines = 136 kb. Maybe a bit more. Do you really believe 136 kb is a noticeable difference on a drive retrieving data at 3 mbps ?

 

I believe and you just confirmed you don't know what you're talking

about. A very common problem is newsgroups like this.

>

>Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.

>My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.

 

Apples and oranges. Again, you don't have a clue. It has nothing to do

with the size of the Registry, rather what if anything contained in

the Registry is bogus or not.

>

>registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.

 

More feeble attempts to pretend you know more. I see a lot of that

here and the only reason I can come up with WHY people like you keep

doing it is you need your ego stroked. So run along kid before you

really start to annoy me.

On 7/12/2007 11:09 AM On a whim, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid pounded out

on the keyboard

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:08:52 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>>

>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>> The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are

>>>> "smart" enough to do so. -) Which is of course what they do with

>>>> every thread.

>>> As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..

>> It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on

>> WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by

>> deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to

>> making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up

>> performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also

>> (though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one

>> that seems to hang for no apparent reason.

>>

>> A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in

>> your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?

>

> you mean 20 grains of sand ? Possibly because finding those 20 grains would be more waste than just ignoring them.

> Even if you should delete the 3000 lines a first scan will present you with, it would nowhere near compare to 800 pounds of trash.

>

> Sorry but a bloated registry is a myth. Even if you should delete all 3000 lines of a 1st scan, you're still not even talking about cleaning out 1 meg of keys. Any advantages found after using a registry cleaner would be the same found, if you just deleted the OFFENDING 2-3 keys that might be causing you trouble. And I've found those keys come from trojans, virus, kiddie scripts, yahoo toolbars, down loaders, and other stuff that don't want you to know they're there. In those cases it's not a registry cleaner you need but a specialized tool that hunts for those things like 'hijackthis', but even that requires specialized treatment. Because it's a registry cleaner also. 3000 lines = 136 kb. Maybe a bit more. Do you really believe 136 kb is a noticeable difference on a drive retrieving data at 3 mbps ?

>

> Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.

> My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.

>

> registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.

 

"a bloated registry is a myth" WHAT? Care to provide a "fact" about that?

 

Okay, export 3000 lines of your registry and report back the size.

 

Your "Facts" of creating a 3000 line text file means nothing in relation

to a database.

 

"identify the problem and use the correct tool." That's exactly what a

registry cleaner is, a tool. If you aren't experienced enough to use

one, don't, by all means. But you'll never convince anyone who

successfully uses reg cleaners (by knowing how to use them), by your

text file comparisons.

 

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:38:23 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:09:37 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>

>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:08:52 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>

>>>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:40:31 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>>>

>>>>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:55 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>The point is the anti-Registry Clearer gang ALWAYS imply only they are

>>>>>"smart" enough to do so. -) Which is of course what they do with

>>>>>every thread.

>>>>

>>>>As simple as you can, explain just exactly what or for that matter WHY someone should use a registry cleaner..

>>>

>>>It removes clutter and dead wood from your Registry. Depending on

>>>WHAT'S there they can do anything from just un bloat the Registry by

>>>deleting hundreds even thousands of lines that never get used to

>>>making the Registry markedly smaller which can actually speed up

>>>performance, sometimes dramatically. Registry Cleaners can also

>>>(though less common) be the magic cure for a sluggish system or one

>>>that seems to hang for no apparent reason.

>>>

>>>A good analogy would be why drive around with 800 pounds of sand in

>>>your car's trunk? Makes no sense does it?

>>

>>you mean 20 grains of sand ? Possibly because finding those 20 grains would be more waste than just ignoring them.

>>Even if you should delete the 3000 lines a first scan will present you with, it would nowhere near compare to 800 pounds of trash.

>

>The FACT is you have no idea what anybody's Registry may contain in

>the way of garbage. If the example you gave is factual it points to

>you being reckless if you have 3,000 lines of clutter in your Registry

>and somebody like you may actually benefit from using a Registry

>Cleaner if you use it wisely.

 

3000 lines was OVERKILL. and it still comes nowhere near being classified bloat. It was 136 kb.

 

You can run one of these registry cleaners on a NEW install, and it'll come up with hundreds, maybe thousands of lines it says are useless. I normally see thousands of lines. I use this machine with hundreds of programs. And delete hundreds of useless programs. They all almost always leave garbage. Hardly anything to bother with. If every program left all it's trash, it still wouldn't be a big problem once the program is removed.

 

>>Sorry but a bloated registry is a myth. Even if you should delete all 3000 lines of a 1st scan, you're still not even talking about cleaning out 1 meg of keys.

>

>How many times do you have to be told it isn't the volume of clutter,

>but WHAT is cluttering up your Registry? Just a few lines can cause

>issues. Again, it depends what if anything is wrong about what's

And I covered this. It's you that isn't listening. a FEW lines causing troubles would require a SPECIALIZED TOOL to identify the problem. Not something that grabs EVERYTHING it thinks is useless.

>contained in your Registry. You're the guy, not me, that keeps

>throwing out some absurd 3,000 lines in a first scan.

>

>>Any advantages found after using a registry cleaner would be the same found, if you just deleted the OFFENDING 2-3 keys that might be causing you trouble. And I've found those keys come from trojans, virus, kiddie scripts, yahoo toolbars, down loaders, and other stuff that don't want you to know they're there. In those cases it's not a registry cleaner you need but a specialized tool that hunts for those things like 'hijackthis', but even that requires specialized treatment. Because it's a registry cleaner also. 3000 lines = 136 kb. Maybe a bit more. Do you really believe 136 kb is a noticeable difference on a drive retrieving data at 3 mbps ?

>

>I believe and you just confirmed you don't know what you're talking

>about. A very common problem is newsgroups like this.

>>

>>Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.

>>My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.

>

>Apples and oranges. Again, you don't have a clue. It has nothing to do

>with the size of the Registry, rather what if anything contained in

>the Registry is bogus or not.

covering both angles of this ridiculous discussion. Bloat.. 3000 keys is NOT bloat, and 3000 is an overkill guesstimate as to what most of these cleaners find.

And speed. 136 kb is not going to make a noticeable speed increase on any modern machine.

registry cleaners don't identify 1 or 2 bad keys, they go after hundreds, thousands of maybes. And get lucky.

>>registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.

>

>More feeble attempts to pretend you know more. I see a lot of that

>here and the only reason I can come up with WHY people like you keep

>doing it is you need your ego stroked. So run along kid before you

>really start to annoy me.

 

Why would you step thru thousands of entries to fix a problem ? That's the argument. Registry cleaners identify maybes. Then it's up to you to take a chainsaw to the registry with auto delete trusting this program knows what it's doing. Or waste a week single stepping thru hundreds, thousands of lines that's all guess work to find a problem that you still haven't pinpointed as to what caused it. I can't ever recall in 9 years ever tracking a problem down to a registry key that wasn't a virus or trojan.

 

Cleaner = clean your wallet.

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:49:10 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

 

>>How many times do you have to be told it isn't the volume of clutter,

>>but WHAT is cluttering up your Registry? Just a few lines can cause

>>issues. Again, it depends what if anything is wrong about what's

>And I covered this. It's you that isn't listening. a FEW lines causing troubles would require a SPECIALIZED TOOL to identify the problem. Not something that grabs EVERYTHING it thinks is useless.

 

Stop playing word games. Of course that is what everybody does after I

paint them into a corner. You don't need any "specialized" tools, a

Registry Cleaner is ALREADY that in that it will generate a detailed

list of what it finds suspect in your Registry. It is then up to the

user to determine what if anything you can safely delete. What you're

trying to get away with is you pretend to know in advance what is

wrong and can zero right in on a handful of Registry keys in the which

of course is pure baloney.

>>>Facts: I just created this 3000 line text file it came to 136 kb.

>>>My current drives SATA retrieve at 3 mbps.

>>

>>Apples and oranges. Again, you don't have a clue. It has nothing to do

>>with the size of the Registry, rather what if anything contained in

>>the Registry is bogus or not.

>covering both angles of this ridiculous discussion. Bloat.. 3000 keys is NOT bloat, and 3000 is an overkill guesstimate as to what most of these cleaners find.

>And speed. 136 kb is not going to make a noticeable speed increase on any modern machine.

>registry cleaners don't identify 1 or 2 bad keys, they go after hundreds, thousands of maybes. And get lucky.

 

What is obvious is you talk in circles. First you say it would takes

you "days" to go through your figure of 3,000 invalid keys then in the

next breath you say never mind, even if all those invalid keys remain

it doesn't matter. Has nothing to do with getting lucky and everything

about knowing what you're doing. You don't seem to know.

>

>>>registry cleaners are a bull in a china closet. That's your magic. Even a blind pig finds a truffle sometimes. Deleting thousands of maybes, you find 1 or 2 that should be removed. IOW: identify the problem and use the correct tool.

>>

>>More feeble attempts to pretend you know more. I see a lot of that

>>here and the only reason I can come up with WHY people like you keep

>>doing it is you need your ego stroked. So run along kid before you

>>really start to annoy me.

>

>Why would you step thru thousands of entries to fix a problem ? That's the argument.

 

Only dopes that load up their system with hundreds of useless

applications then delete them could end up with thousands of invalid

keys. That seems to be what you're telling us you did. So who's the

really dummy?

 

I don't care how long the list is, if an item gets flagged I'll check

it out which is after all why I would buy a Registry Cleaner in the

first place. The reality is for MOST people aside from the usual junk

in anybody's Registry like I've already mentioned including weird time

zones and foreign keyboard references and assorted other junk nearly

everybody's list of invalid keys should be small and very manageable.

It is YOU, not me that's stuck on the absurd 3,000 figure you pulled

out of thin air in some feeble effort to try to bolster your

groundless argument.

>Registry cleaners identify maybes. Then it's up to you to take a chainsaw to the registry with auto delete trusting this program knows what it's doing. Or waste a week single stepping thru hundreds, thousands of lines that's all guess work to find a problem that you still haven't pinpointed as to what caused it. I can't ever recall in 9 years ever tracking a problem down to a registry key that wasn't a virus or trojan.

>

>Cleaner = clean your wallet.

 

All any tool does is SHOW you something POTENTIALLY wrong. You decide

how to act on what's found. Again you need to try to inject auto

delete which again only dopes would use. Take away auto delete and you

"argument" falls flat on it's face.

 

What I really like about having discussions in groups like these is I

can almost always point out the flimflam and outright deception in

what the other guy is claiming by beating them over the head with

actual facts. That's what I'm doing to you now if your realize it or

not.

 

The main reason I get involved in threads like this is I detest

phonies that hold a biased position, make stuff up then pretend that's

what everybody does.

 

Go back and read posts from anybody that's negative about Registry

Cleaners and you'll almost always see them pushing the same lie,

making reference to some auto delete key they need to pretend

everybody is going to push, otherwise they argument not to use any

Registry Cleaner gets defeated by logic.

My sisters boyfriend looked at my XP a while ago and told me NOT to use

Trend Micro AntiSpyware because I had Norton 360 (before 360 I had

Norton SystemWorks.) The computer came with Trend Micro and some Norton

product ( don't remember - I just know I upgraded it.) I figured since

the computer came loaded with the two together it was okay - also the

Trend Micro AntiSpyware doesn't have a firewall or anything. So, I stop

using the Trend Micro which does have a "clean" your history, etc. in

it. And my Norton "comprehensive" scans done weekly start going from

like 35 minutes to 1 hour, then 2 hours then almost 3 HOURS. I go back

and start using the Trend Micro again and now my scans are back to 35

minutes. I didn't notice any performance issues (it wasn't running

"slower" by not using the Trend Micro) but any Norton scan taking that

long annoys the hell outta me. Obvioulsy Trend Micro is "cleaning" and

getting rid of stuff Norton is missing no??? It's a better "cleaner."

 

 

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The Sand

But don't use Trend Micro AntiSpyware on Vista - it crashed it.

 

 

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:14:24 -0500, The Sand <The.Sand.2tn8yz@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>

>My sisters boyfriend looked at my XP a while ago and told me NOT to use

>Trend Micro AntiSpyware because I had Norton 360 (before 360 I had

>Norton SystemWorks.) The computer came with Trend Micro and some Norton

>product ( don't remember - I just know I upgraded it.) I figured since

>the computer came loaded with the two together it was okay - also the

>Trend Micro AntiSpyware doesn't have a firewall or anything. So, I stop

>using the Trend Micro which does have a "clean" your history, etc. in

>it. And my Norton "comprehensive" scans done weekly start going from

>like 35 minutes to 1 hour, then 2 hours then almost 3 HOURS. I go back

>and start using the Trend Micro again and now my scans are back to 35

>minutes. I didn't notice any performance issues (it wasn't running

>"slower" by not using the Trend Micro) but any Norton scan taking that

>long annoys the hell outta me. Obvioulsy Trend Micro is "cleaning" and

>getting rid of stuff Norton is missing no??? It's a better "cleaner."

 

I had Norton 360 on my vista also. It was cripple ware or beg ware whatever you want to call it. It was set to self destruct eventually.

I didn't even waste any time with it. I still had months on my trend subscription, and they converted my XP trend to the New Vista 2007 FREE.

 

I've used Pccillin for 9 years, so really can't say much about any other trend stuff. I'd guess the other parts are just off shoots of Pccillin.

 

9 years ago PCCillin6 came on a win 98 CD, and ran without charge or cripples for about 3 years. You needed a firewall then. About 3-4 years back trend stuck in one of the best firewall's on the market.

 

They're now adding a lot of stuff I don't use, making it the $49 program it is now. When you see it updating almost daily, and go week after week without a virus, worm, Trojan etc.. That makes you feel the $49 is earned. It's coming close to pricing itself out of competition, but it's still cheaper than Norton equivalents. And it protects your personal data if you want that also.

That checking for 1-3 hours may be more about what type scan you're doing. My weekly Sunday scan easily takes 3 hours. It also scans every file on 500+ giga bytes of drives. It also has the 'remember me' switch so you don't scan the exact same file every time weekly. Best idea I ever saw. Scan it flag it, and don't scan it again.

And the best thing beyond trend's history of cleaning is their INSTANT SUPPORT & reliability. You can get chat support now instantly. But I suspect that will disappear like the Maytag repairman, for the same reasons as the Maytag man.

 

I had a fight with them this year about registration. Bought the new 2007 model. And had to create a 3rd alias to register and use it. Something about you can use trend on 3 machines ONLY. Trouble is I only have 1 machine with a crappy OS that's always destroying something.

I had to reinstall the Vista OS just weeks after initial setup. The XP OS had to be re-installed many times screwing up everything. I've had this same trend serial number for years. win98 was no different. Best I can say about Vista, I got it in January. It's only screwed up everything once in those 8 months.

 

You should probably go with pccillin 2007 vs one of the addon programs from trend. The addon's are specific to just some things. as with your anti spy ware. Probably the cheapest, and most unused program in the entire programs used by trend. It doesn't look for virus, or Trojans, or anything but cookies & browser hijacker type stuff. The firewall stops stuff at the border. But it can't catch the stuff you download in archives or exe's [some it will stop]. The virus scan should be used when you de-archive a program, and weekly [trend sets monthly as default] for all over coverage. No idea why trend would install such a minor player program from their arsenal of virus software.

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Terry R. wrote:

>

>

> But the obvious issue is, for every user that incorrectly uses a cleaner

> and trashes their system, there is another who understands how to use

> one and appreciates the results.

>

 

 

While I agree in principle, I think your "ratio" of knowledgeable to

unknowledgeable is awfully optimistic. Based on my experiences over the

years, I think a more accurate proportion would be something along the

lines of: For every user who is sufficiently knowledgeable to safely

use a registry cleaner there are 100 or more who are not. This isn't to

say that most people aren't capable of learning, but just that most

simply can't or won't be bothered.

 

> I think most can agree that:

>

> If a user is inexperienced or of limited knowledge of Windows, they

> shouldn't dive into what they don't understand.

>

> If a user is experienced and understands how to use a cleaner

> effectively, while knowing the risks (and taking them into account),

> they feel comfortable using the features a cleaner can offer.

>

> I believe we're all one or the other. Users just need to be able to

> admit which one they are.

>

 

 

Very nice, accurate summation.

 

 

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"Arun" wrote:

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

> Ultimate.............

Arun: Try CCleaner, just make sure when it asks if tou want to back up, say

yes. I have used it in desperstion and it worked... as for those who say why

mess with the registry, well it gets jammed with rubbis, I like a clean pc.

Oh ya an CCleaner when removing temp files etc... DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING IN

ADVANCED.. Terence

CCLEANER

 

HANDS DOWN

 

 

 

been using it since ME, and it has never failed.

 

UPdates nearly 2 times a month with more file cleaning and registry cleaning

locations.

 

 

 

http://www.ccleaner.com

http://www.filehippo.com

 

They share their files via filehippo. Always get the latest version on

filehippos download page, on the upper right hand side.

 

 

 

Even cleanes operah, mozilah, ie7, and any other application that creates

unwanted files.

 

 

 

borlandjr@gmail.com

please send a copy to my email

 

 

 

"Terence Lockwood" <TerenceLockwood@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

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>

>

> "Arun" wrote:

>

>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for

>> vista

>> Ultimate.............

> Arun: Try CCleaner, just make sure when it asks if tou want to back up,

> say

> yes. I have used it in desperstion and it worked... as for those who say

> why

> mess with the registry, well it gets jammed with rubbis, I like a clean

> pc.

> Oh ya an CCleaner when removing temp files etc... DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING IN

> ADVANCED.. Terence

"Arun" wrote:

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

> Ultimate.............

I use the AceLogix registry cleaner at http://www.acelogix.com which has a trial

version for 30 days. I have been using it since the day Vista came out (they

were ready for Vista) without any trouble.

 

Continuing the car analogy, using a registry cleaner is like scheduling

regular maintenance on your car. It has to be done to keep the car tuned.

 

Using a cleaner keeps the registry small and compact. This cleaner has other

options you might like besides cleaning the registry. It has a backup option

so you can undo any changes, and it has changeable parameters for cleaning.

 

Let us know if you try it or if you find another you like better.

 

Hacker Mom

 

"Arun" wrote:

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

> Ultimate.............

hahnkathio wrote:

>

> "Arun" wrote:

>

>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

>> Ultimate.............

I am using jv16 PowerTools, very good.

My suggestion is not to use any reg cleaner. They are all snake oil fixes. Cleaning the registry will make no difference in your computers performance as many believe. They are dangerous and not needed. Even if you have one that made backups , what will you do if your computer will not boot if it removes a reg line that is needed.How .will you then will go to your backup and put them back?? How??

If you do not know your registry and if you do not know what it is removing then do NOT touch the registry. It is playing Russian Roulette. The registry is a very sensitive part of your system and one wrong move and your system is cooked

 

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>

> "Arun" wrote:

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>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

>> Ultimate.............