On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:35:45 +0100, Mac wrote:

> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/default.htm?s_cid=ideas ?

>

> Q. Why would anyone want to use a beta version of a MS registry cleaner?

 

A. Because they are perfectly happy using a beta version of the Operating

System.

 

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"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:35:45 +0100, Mac wrote:

>

>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/default.htm?s_cid=ideas ?

>>

>> Q. Why would anyone want to use a beta version of a MS registry cleaner?

>

> A. Because they are perfectly happy using a beta version of the Operating

> System.

>

> --

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Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went

on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised

by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????

Confused.

 

 

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* OzBoy:

> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went

> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised

> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????

> Confused.

 

Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners

*is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the

posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners

are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-

it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,

to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.

For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only

as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you

are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.

 

User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...

maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,

done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.

 

At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make

his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.

 

 

-Michael

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:00:58 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

wrote:

>* OzBoy:

>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went

>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised

>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????

>> Confused.

>

>Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners

>*is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the

>posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners

>are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-

>it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,

>to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.

>For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only

>as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you

>are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.

>

>User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...

>maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,

>done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.

>

>At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make

>his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.

>

>

>-Michael

 

You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a

shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot

air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS

that's always present.

 

Give me some FACTS. Cite chapter and verse, not just bloated opinion.

 

Any application used improperly can pose a danger. Like Vista itself.

Funny the fanboys never ever are critical of the biggest enemy to PCs

everywhere: Windows. The point here being there would be little need

for Registry Cleaners IF Windows actually knew how to totally delete

applications you no longer wanted. The truth is it often doesn't clean

up totally and Windows is in part to blame. You would think with all

the mindless nag screens Vista has, it would be smart enough to pop up

a warning box saying such and such entry in Registry points to

nowhere. Wishful thinking.

MICHAEL374457 Wrote:

> * OzBoy:

> > Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

> > whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that

> went

> > on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very

> surprised

> > by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help

> people????

> > Confused.

>

> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners

> *is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the

> posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners

> are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-

> it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,

> to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.

> For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only

> as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you

> are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.

>

> User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...

> maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,

> done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.

>

> At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make

> his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.

>

>

> -Michael

Hi Michael

 

Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to

have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let

people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry

cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.

 

But I do understand what you mean just a little surprised at the some

of the posts under this topic.....no doubt I will continue to be

surprised as I get to know the site and it's members a little better.

 

Cheers OzBoy

 

 

--

OzBoy

* Adam Albright:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:00:58 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

> wrote:

>

>> * OzBoy:

>>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

>>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went

>>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised

>>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????

>>> Confused.

>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners

>> *is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the

>> posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners

>> are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-

>> it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,

>> to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.

>> For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only

>> as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you

>> are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.

>>

>> User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...

>> maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,

>> done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.

>>

>> At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make

>> his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.

>>

>>

>> -Michael

>

> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a

> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot

> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS

> that's always present.

 

Adam,

 

I never said I was "anti" anything, you big dummy.

 

Take a breath, put down the booze, pull your finger(s)

out of your bung hole, and know there are other ways

than just your way..... you're just as guilty as those you accuse.

 

 

-Michael

My system (Vista) crashed July 5th due to Trend Micro Anti-Spyware and I

paid $59. to talk to the people at Microsoft for 6 HOURS to get it

running again (best $59 bucks I ever spent.) Anyway... he (the

Microsoft guy) installed CCeaner on it... it's on my desktop right now.

I haven't used it again but clearly Microsoft thinks it's good and/or

safe or they wouldn't of installed it.

 

 

--

The Sand

* OzBoy:

> MICHAEL374457 Wrote:

>> * OzBoy:

>>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

>>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that

>> went

>>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very

>> surprised

>>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help

>> people????

>>> Confused.

>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners

>> *is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the

>> posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners

>> are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-

>> it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,

>> to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.

>> For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only

>> as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you

>> are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.

>>

>> User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...

>> maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,

>> done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.

>>

>> At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make

>> his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.

>>

>>

>> -Michael

> Hi Michael

>

> Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to

> have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let

> people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry

> cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.

>

> But I do understand what you mean just a little surprised at the some

> of the posts under this topic.....no doubt I will continue to be

> surprised as I get to know the site and it's members a little better.

>

> Cheers OzBoy

 

Since this is a very busy group, I think it works a bit better

to just address issues as they come up, instead of adding

random discussion topics.

 

Either way, I reckon there will alway be folks who have very

strong opinions and things can get heated at times... no biggie.

 

Registry cleaners *can* be dangerous, they *may* be helpful.

I wouldn't suggest people use them as part of routine maintenance.

But, they may be useful when trying to fix a specific problem.

I think for most users, CrapCleaner should be fine. It doesn't

"dig" too deep and prompts to make a backup.

 

Stick around, OZ. You might find there are actually some

helpful folks around here and quite a bit of good info.

I've been participating in this group since June 2006, and

I really believe I've gotten a great deal from this group.

 

 

Take care,

 

Michael

But if I had a car, and took out the V6 engine, and put in a V8 engine, I

would want the V6 distributor out, because it isn't doing anything.

 

 

"Myweb" <meiweb@gmx.de> wrote in message

news:ff16fb663e4008c98ed164ba10d0@msnews.microsoft.com...

> Hello Arun,

>

> For what did you have the need for cleaning your registry? If you delete

> something without knowledge and about the need for the entry you can break

> your system. Then maybe you have to reinstall. So why not using it like it

> is? If you buy a car you also will not take out some electronic or some

> devices from the engine.

>

> Best regards

>

> Myweb

> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

> confers no rights.

>

>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner

>> for vista Ultimate.............

>>

>

>

 

 

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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:28:58 -0500, OzBoy

>Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

>whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went

>on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised

>by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????

>Confused.

 

What is being <ahem> "robustly debated" here, is whether there's any

point in registry cleaners at all, or more accuratrely, whether the

expected gains outweigh the risks.

 

Firstly just how much performance impact does registry bloat have?

It may have been an issue in the Win95 days, especially when there

were 16-bit size limits on some registry structures, but now?

 

Secondly are registry cleaners safe? The track record casts doubts

here, as often the OS or its apps have evolved to create registry

items that appear to be redundent, and are thus inappropriately

"cleaned", by registry cleaners.

 

The latter is one reason why a cleaner from MS may be on interest at

least it will (or should) stay in synch with the way the evolving OS

changes the nature of registry usage.

 

 

Then again, the contents of the registry are defined not by the OS or

registry, but by the apps that create and use their keys.

 

You see this with file association issues and filespec parameters

some apps require these to be "in quotes" to prevent spaces within the

filespec from being mistaken for an end-of-parameter delimiter, and

others will not work if these quotes are added.

 

For example, some graphic apps won't "find" target files unless "%1"

is used instead of %1, while others won't work with "%1".

 

Ambiguities in the way things are specified may cause some registry

entries to appear redundant, e.g. when matching...

 

%Variable%\Some Path

%Variable%\SomePa~1

"C:\Program Files\Some Path"

C:\Progra~1\SomePa~1"

 

....and there may be linkage hide-and-seek where the linkage path

passes through an app's private config files.

 

 

My own opinion, FWIW, is that registry cleaners are not worth the

bother. I've yet to see a recent system sped up by "cleaning the

registry", and I have seen hard-to-fix problems that follow them.

 

I do see stability etc. issues related to registry "leftovers", but

have managed these manually I would not trust a registry cleaner to

automate this process, and the primary fix is not to do dumb-ass

things that spawn such problems (e.g. deleting application subtrees

instead of uninstalling apps, running sware directly off removable

disks, and various malware-related botch-ups).

 

 

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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:37:37 -0500, OzBoy

>MICHAEL374457 Wrote:

>> * OzBoy:

>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners

>> *is* helping the user....

>Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to

>have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let

>people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry

>cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.

 

If the subject was "what's the best spam-marketed source of cheap

viagra?", what do you think the answer would be?

 

If the "best registry cleaner" is "nothing - leave it alone", then

that IS the answer. "If you pick it, it won't heal" -)

 

 

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:40:14 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

wrote:

>

>

>* Adam Albright:

>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:00:58 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> * OzBoy:

>>>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

>>>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went

>>>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised

>>>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????

>>>> Confused.

>>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners

>>> *is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the

>>> posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners

>>> are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-

>>> it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,

>>> to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.

>>> For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only

>>> as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you

>>> are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.

>>>

>>> User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...

>>> maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,

>>> done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.

>>>

>>> At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make

>>> his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.

>>>

>>>

>>> -Michael

>>

>> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a

>> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot

>> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS

>> that's always present.

>

>Adam,

>

>I never said I was "anti" anything, you big dummy.

>

>Take a breath, put down the booze, pull your finger(s)

>out of your bung hole, and know there are other ways

>than just your way..... you're just as guilty as those you accuse.

>

Typical ten year old response. You guys are so much fun to watch

dance.

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a

> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot

> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS

> that's always present.

>

 

 

Actually, what we've "offered" is years of first-hand observations and

experience. We've seen the trouble registry cleaners can cause. What

we've never seen, and what you've steadfastly refused to produce, is

*any* evidence that registry cleaners do any good.

 

> Give me some FACTS.

 

 

Please do. I know what I've seen. I derive a substantial portion of

my income helping people recover from the use of registry cleaners.

 

> ...... Mindless rant snipped.

 

> The point here being there would be little need

> for Registry Cleaners IF Windows actually knew how to totally delete

> applications you no longer wanted. The truth is it often doesn't clean

> up totally and Windows is in part to blame.

 

 

No, any blame would attach to the programmers who cannot be bothered to

develop proper uninstallation routines for their products.

 

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and

every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.

And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any

good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no

real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo

effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the

non-existent benefits.

 

I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of

an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful

time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any

changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any

registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.

Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe

in the hands of the inexperienced user.

 

 

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* Adam Albright:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:40:14 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

> wrote:

>

>>

>> * Adam Albright:

>>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:00:58 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> * OzBoy:

>>>>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

>>>>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went

>>>>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised

>>>>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????

>>>>> Confused.

>>>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners

>>>> *is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the

>>>> posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners

>>>> are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-

>>>> it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,

>>>> to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.

>>>> For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only

>>>> as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you

>>>> are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.

>>>>

>>>> User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...

>>>> maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,

>>>> done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.

>>>>

>>>> At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make

>>>> his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -Michael

>>> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a

>>> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot

>>> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS

>>> that's always present.

>> Adam,

>>

>> I never said I was "anti" anything, you big dummy.

>>

>> Take a breath, put down the booze, pull your finger(s)

>> out of your bung hole, and know there are other ways

>> than just your way..... you're just as guilty as those you accuse.

>>

> Typical ten year old response. You guys are so much fun to watch

> dance.

 

Adam- when you stop acting like a drunk ten year-old,

then you'll receive better responses.

 

You're dancing alone, bubba.

 

Carry on.

 

 

-Michael

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:44:18 -0600, Bruce Chambers

<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a

>> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot

>> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS

>> that's always present.

> Actually, what we've "offered" is years of first-hand observations and

>experience. We've seen the trouble registry cleaners can cause. What

>we've never seen, and what you've steadfastly refused to produce, is

>*any* evidence that registry cleaners do any good.

 

Total BS. Prove your case by stating chapter and verse. Take all the

room your need. Otherwise all you're doing is trying to bully YOUR

opinion. By the way, there is no "we", you can only speak for

yourself, so try to drop that crutch so many here us if you want to

have any creditability.

>

>> Give me some FACTS.

> Please do. I know what I've seen.

 

The burden of proof is on you since you're broadly knocking Registry

Cleaners in general, then you ask me to prove a negative.

 

So you TELL US what you've seen. Name the application used, the

version number and roughly the date and then detail what when wrong.

Then maybe you've made a case for not using a particular Registry

Cleaner in a particular situation. Of course you're not doing that.

You are simply saying Registry Cleaners are bad, bad, as have others.

>derive a substantial portion of

>my income helping people recover from the use of registry cleaners.

 

Oh please...

>> The point here being there would be little need

>> for Registry Cleaners IF Windows actually knew how to totally delete

>> applications you no longer wanted. The truth is it often doesn't clean

>> up totally and Windows is in part to blame.

>

>

> No, any blame would attach to the programmers who cannot be bothered to

>develop proper uninstallation routines for their products.

 

That a boy, now defend Microsoft. The routine to uninstall software,

part of Windows from the beginning and now in Vista found in Control

Panel under Programs and Features is the Microsoft RECOMMEDND way to

uninalled software you no longer want on your system. It works poorly,

often leaving behind traces of applications you no longer want. True,

the uninstall routines from developers also often do the same. Hence

the need for Registry Cleaners. <grin>

>

> Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and

>every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.

 

I see you're now changing your tune. You changed from the original

claim all Registry cleaners are bad, bad, avoid them like the plague,

to now saying something more truthful SOMETIMES some "cleaners" under

some situations COULD, not automatically will, but MAY cause

problems. That sounds like a 180 degree sift in what was originally

stated by the anti-Registry Cleaner crowd. -)

>And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any

>good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no

>real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo

>effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the

>non-existent benefits.

 

You forgot to add IN YOUR OPINION. Mine experience is very different.

Countless times a friend, neighbor, has had a very sluggish system.

Running a quick check with some Registry Cleaner showed a forest of

broken links in the Registry. After "cleaning", performance was

noticeably better.

>

> I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of

>an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful

>time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any

>changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any

>registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.

>Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe

>in the hands of the inexperienced user.

 

I was waiting for that. Now you're backtracking still more. What's

that? Now you're admitting there are good Registry Cleaners? You just

got done saying no "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any

good. Make up your mind.

 

Of course as often seen here you need to inject the typical put down.

Oh, you're an expert, you're so experienced, oh, you make your living

doing this, other puffing piled on which if meant to or not always

implies the vast majority of people coming to newsgroups like this are

just mindless dummies, but not you. Got it. Thanks for sharing your

OPINION. Got any facts?

 

You guys crack me up.

 

ROTFLMAO!

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:28:58 -0500, OzBoy <OzBoy.2tfpgm@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>

>Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

>whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went

>on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised

>by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????

>Confused.

 

Telling someone to use a registry cleaner is NO HELP. Like telling someone you can run your car without any water in the radiator. For maybe 2 minutes it'll work.

 

think about it. a registry line is plain text. Take the LARGEST text file on your hard drive. Look at the size. 10 megs would be EXTREME for any text file.

 

If you ran a registry cleaner, there's no way you could clean out that many bad entries to make 10 megs.

To actually see any performance, you'd have to remove that much to see anything noticeable. And it'd all be in disk access speed.

At best you MIGHT gain 1 second in speed in accessing SOME programs.

VS the irreparable damage to your machine that you could cause by poking around in things you don't have a clue about..

IOW: when it comes to registry cleaners, if you have to ask, you don't know enough to use one safely.

 

Even virus cleaners warn you about deleting cookies. Something you can actually run without ever having one on your machine.

A registry entry tells some program on your machine, operation info. Without it you'll need to reinstall at a minimum.

 

No registry cleaning IS HELPFUL info. Messing with the registry no matter who hypes it is a bad idea.

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:17:23 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:00:58 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

>wrote:

>

>>* OzBoy:

>>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not

>>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went

>>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised

>>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????

>>> Confused.

>>

>>Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners

>>*is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the

>>posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners

>>are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-

>>it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,

>>to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.

>>For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only

>>as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you

>>are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.

>>

>>User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...

>>maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,

>>done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.

>>

>>At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make

>>his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.

>>

>>

>>-Michael

>

>You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a

>shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot

>air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS

>that's always present.

Go right ahead, don't listen to anything anyone has said about DON'T mess with the registry. For you it's perfectly safe.

>

>Give me some FACTS. Cite chapter and verse, not just bloated opinion.

>

>Any application used improperly can pose a danger. Like Vista itself.

>Funny the fanboys never ever are critical of the biggest enemy to PCs

>everywhere: Windows. The point here being there would be little need

>for Registry Cleaners IF Windows actually knew how to totally delete

>applications you no longer wanted. The truth is it often doesn't clean

>up totally and Windows is in part to blame. You would think with all

>the mindless nag screens Vista has, it would be smart enough to pop up

>a warning box saying such and such entry in Registry points to

>nowhere. Wishful thinking.

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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:37:37 -0500, OzBoy <OzBoy.2tfsx3@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to

>have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let

>people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry

>cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.

 

The best registry cleaner is NO REGISTRY cleaner. But if you have to poke around in the registry, just fire up regedit. Make a backup of your registry, and have at it.

>But I do understand what you mean just a little surprised at the some

>of the posts under this topic.....no doubt I will continue to be

>surprised as I get to know the site and it's members a little better.

>

>Cheers OzBoy

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:15:23 -0400, "Daave"

> <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:

>

>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>> When presented with facts, just plonk. How typical of fanboys.

>>

>>I'm anything but a "fanboy," but I would like to see you present these

>>facts.

>

> The fact is Registry Cleaners work when used properly is well

> documented. All that's required is learning how to use Google and

> you'll find countless articles from some REAL experts, not the fakers

> that hang out here that confirm it.

 

Maybe there are fakers here making such claims, but you are also making

a claim. Are you able to back it up or not? If not, then you're no

different than the fanboys and fakers IMO.

keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:37:37 -0500, OzBoy <OzBoy.2tfsx3@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>

>> Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to

>> have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let

>> people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry

>> cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.

>

> The best registry cleaner is NO REGISTRY cleaner.

 

No, there are cleaners and then there are cleaners. One needs a good

cleaner that doesn't act like a shotgun and do it all automatically.

 

> But if you have to poke around in the registry, just fire up regedit. Make a backup of your registry, and have at it.

 

Talk about dangerous ...

 

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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:52:01 -0500, The Sand <The.Sand.2tfto4@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>

>My system (Vista) crashed July 5th due to Trend Micro Anti-Spyware and I

>paid $59. to talk to the people at Microsoft for 6 HOURS to get it

>running again (best $59 bucks I ever spent.) Anyway... he (the

>Microsoft guy) installed CCeaner on it... it's on my desktop right now.

>I haven't used it again but clearly Microsoft thinks it's good and/or

>safe or they wouldn't of installed it.

 

I've been using Trend for 9 years. they made 1 booboo with an engine release a few years back. I have to assume their QC picked up after that. It grabbed every resource when it rebooted. They had it fixed within the hour. But anyone it hit had no idea what caused the machine to come to a crawl.

 

I've been scanning with it daily, and weekly for all that time. Very clean safe machine.

 

My question is what makes you think it was Trend, and not something trend found ?

Something trend found is a more likely cause of damage than trend.

There are things out there aimed specifically at trend. I've seen trend shut down without warning. Few & far between. But I usually find a nasty on the machine later. I hear Mcaffee, and Norton horror stories all the time, but not many about Trend.

 

What is CCeaner ?

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:28:57 +0200, "cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)"

<cquirkenews@nospam.mvps.org> wrote:

 

>>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

> Tip Of The Day:

> To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...

>>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

 

My tip of the day. ALWAYS suspect ANYTHING any MVP claims.

 

ROTFLMAO!

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:44:18 -0600, Bruce Chambers

> <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>

>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a

>>> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot

>>> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS

>>> that's always present.

>

>> Actually, what we've "offered" is years of first-hand observations and

>> experience. We've seen the trouble registry cleaners can cause. What

>> we've never seen, and what you've steadfastly refused to produce, is

>> *any* evidence that registry cleaners do any good.

>

> Total BS. Prove your case by stating chapter and verse. Take all the

> room your need. Otherwise all you're doing is trying to bully YOUR

> opinion. By the way, there is no "we", you can only speak for

> yourself, so try to drop that crutch so many here us if you want to

> have any creditability.

 

 

Sorry, Adam. But I can't help it if *you* are so utterly lacking in

first-hand experience. Maybe you should wait a few years before

spouting off on technical issues about which you know nothing.

 

>>> Give me some FACTS.

>

>> Please do. I know what I've seen.

>

> The burden of proof is on you since you're broadly knocking Registry

> Cleaners in general, then you ask me to prove a negative.

>

 

Not so. *YOU* claim registry cleaners do good things. I'm asking you

to offer proof of that claim. You can't. No one has ever been able to

do so.

 

 

>>

>> No, any blame would attach to the programmers who cannot be bothered to

>> develop proper uninstallation routines for their products.

>

> That a boy, now defend Microsoft. The routine to uninstall software,

> part of Windows from the beginning and now in Vista found in Control

> Panel under Programs and Features is the Microsoft RECOMMEDND way to

> uninalled software you no longer want on your system.

 

 

Yes, and what it does is call the application's uninstall routine the

one provided by the application's developer.

> It works poorly, often leaving behind traces of applications you no longer want.

 

 

Only when the aplications' developers take short cuts.

 

> True,

> the uninstall routines from developers also often do the same.

 

My point.

> Hence

> the need for Registry Cleaners. <grin>

 

 

No, because you still haven't established that these orphaned registry

entries, in and of themselves, do any harm.

>> Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and

>> every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.

>

> I see you're now changing your tune. You changed from the original

> claim all Registry cleaners are bad, bad, avoid them like the plague,

> to now saying something more truthful SOMETIMES some "cleaners" under

> some situations COULD, not automatically will, but MAY cause

> problems. That sounds like a 180 degree sift in what was originally

> stated by the anti-Registry Cleaner crowd. -)

>

 

No, it's what I've always said.

 

>> And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any

>> good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no

>> real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo

>> effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the

>> non-existent benefits.

>

> You forgot to add IN YOUR OPINION. Mine experience is very different.

> Countless times a friend, neighbor, has had a very sluggish system.

> Running a quick check with some Registry Cleaner showed a forest of

> broken links in the Registry. After "cleaning", performance was

> noticeably better.

 

 

Countless neighbors and friends? Gee, what a lot of experience. Come

back when you've supported hundreds of systems professionally, for over

a decade.

 

 

 

 

 

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Daave wrote:

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:b0i293lfaqqnlgcc59f3f62l9sjpm57n3b@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:15:23 -0400, "Daave"

>> <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:

>>

>>> Adam Albright wrote:

>

>>>> When presented with facts, just plonk. How typical of fanboys.

>>>

>>> I'm anything but a "fanboy," but I would like to see you present these

>>> facts.

>>

>> The fact is Registry Cleaners work when used properly is well

>> documented. All that's required is learning how to use Google and

>> you'll find countless articles from some REAL experts, not the fakers

>> that hang out here that confirm it.

>

> Maybe there are fakers here making such claims, but you are also making

> a claim. Are you able to back it up or not? If not, then you're no

> different than the fanboys and fakers IMO.

 

I have used SystemSuite 4 and 5 MANY times to fix up my computers. It

has been especially useful in removing files after an install (including

Windows) or an uninstall. That said, SystemSuite has two choices, an

automatic registry cleaner which I would never use and one where you

choose what to remove which I do use. After using it, I have seen my

boot up time go from two minutes to 40 seconds with XP.

 

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