"as if that implies some superior knowledge"

As always you are free to ASSUME what you want.

But ASSUMPTIONS often tend to be wrong.

 

"see the underlying pattern they know more, everybody else is dumb,"

And yet it is YOU that needs to directly insult and let your

ASSUMPTIONS control your actions.

 

"Microsoft should have killed the MVP program like they planned"

Do you communicate this to Microsoft as you have previously been told?

Or it it something you continuously whine?

 

"I simply don't like boastful windbags"

Interesting answer when I said:

"users need to know what a specific key does"

You seem to let your emotions take control when you do not like what

is said but you can not dispute the need for users to be

knowledgeable.

 

"you can't contain your anger"

So you say, and yet is is you unable to communicate without insulting.

Just because you imagine anger does not make it so.

If there is anger, it seems to be you since you are the one unable to

communicate without insults.

Keep ASSUMING, typical for you.

 

Don't bother answering unless you can do so in a civil manner.

I doubt you have the self control to be civil, but we shall see.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:36:09 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>>"Another implied I'm smarter than you..."

>>Whatever you CHOOSE to ASSUME is up to you.

>>However most know what ASSUME means and again you do it.

>>It seems your insecurity shows in another way since you CHOOSE to

>>see

>>what is not there.

>

> Speaking of insecurity, you're the one attaching MVP behind your

> name

> as if that implies some superior knowledge. <snort>

>>

>>"Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry..."

>>I never said any such thing.

>

> You implied it. Read nearly any post from any MVP on any topic and

> you

> see the underlying pattern they know more, everybody else is dumb,

> blah, blah, blah. So unprofessional and self-serving. What is YOUR

> Ageneda that you have to attach MVP to every post?

>

>>But users need to know what a specific key does before letting the

>>cleaner remove it.

>>Your NEED to twist what is said to fuel your agenda is

>>noted...again.

>

> What agenda? I simply don't like boastful windbags that hide behind

> MVP and pretend they know more than everybody else when time after

> time they're proven wrong. Microsoft should have killed the MVP

> program like they planned to do years ago BECAUSE of complaints like

> mine because now it is little more than a joke with a bunch of

> clueless wannabe types stinking of the groups they post to.

>

>>"Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs."

>>Attacking again, such a typical post from you.

>

> You are simply too thin skinned to be here, you can't contain your

> anger, you're too proud to learn, too pigheaded to admit when you're

> wrong. In other words, your typical MVP.

>

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:20:29 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>"as if that implies some superior knowledge"

>As always you are free to ASSUME what you want.

>But ASSUMPTIONS often tend to be wrong.

 

Like yours that you can't get any benefit from Registry Cleaners?

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:02:38 -0700, notachance <nochance@all.to>

> wrote:

> I think part of the hostility towards Registry Cleaners is once upon a

> time they were garbage. Times change, things improve. Windows was once

> garbage too. It's the same knock Real Player gets. It use to include

> spyware and it got black listed, It hasn't for years, is still one of

> the best players offering some of the best compression verses quality

> you can get. Yet people hold a grudge or just are dumb and because of

> it, take your pick, won't use it. -)

 

 

As someone who does a little programming on the side, and one who writes using windows

APIs,

let me make a comment on registry cleaners.

Yes they will find "currently unused registry entries."

Occasionally they will actually correct a registry related problem that will prevent

installation of a program.

 

However, keep in mind that there are lot of static registry entries that are in place to

ensure

backwards compatibility with older programs, especially when it comes to using API calls

to ordinals ( routines in DLL files )

Example, if I reference, in my application, a dll procedure from a dll that was included

with Windows 98 and that

dll has been upgraded / replaced by a newer dll in newer windows versions, the entries in

the registry will automatically point my program to the newest version of the DLL on the

machine in which the application is installed.

 

So, if the "base" entry has been removed from the registry, guess what, my backwards

compatible app fails to run.

 

So as was stated earlier in the thread, use "ANY" registry cleaner at your own risk, and

when the app you try to install

That's "supposed" to be compatible with your new windows version fails to run, don't blame

the author, restore your registry.

 

And yep I'm an MVP for a different technology and YEP I will include it in my sig.

 

 

--

 

Steve Easton

Microsoft MVP FrontPage

FP Cleaner

http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm

Hit Me FP

http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm

"can't get any benefit from Registry Cleaners"

I never said that .

Go back and read my posts again probably for the first time.

Typical how you need to twist what was said to fit your agenda.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:20:29 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>>"as if that implies some superior knowledge"

>>As always you are free to ASSUME what you want.

>>But ASSUMPTIONS often tend to be wrong.

>

> Like yours that you can't get any benefit from Registry Cleaners?

>

"Arun" <Arun@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:50E926F2-55E9-4643-AAA7-BE185121B65C@microsoft.com...

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for

> vista

> Ultimate.............

 

There isn't one.

 

--

Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM

Do not send mail.

I agree with most that it is not necessary and requires caution. That said

Alias recommendation works fine and ALWAYS let it backup any entries you are

going to delete. Unless you do a huge amount of installing and uninstalling

of programs I would forget about it.

 

 

"Arun" <Arun@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:50E926F2-55E9-4643-AAA7-BE185121B65C@microsoft.com...

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for

> vista

> Ultimate.............

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:09:55 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>"can't get any benefit from Registry Cleaners"

>I never said that .

>Go back and read my posts again probably for the first time.

>Typical how you need to twist what was said to fit your agenda.

 

 

Damn, Jupiter you're so good at back pedaling! That's your true

talent.

Not at all.

It is you that is so bad at misquoting others to suit your agenda.

It is not "back pedaling" to tell you I did not say what you claimed I

said when I never said it.

It is your imagination.

Of course if you can show where I said it.

But then if you could you already would have, but you CAN'T.

Instead you have shown yourself as one who need to misquote others.

Your continued attacks. void of facts.

 

Good bye Adam.

You continue to show you have NOTHING of value.

Reply back only if you feel the need to feed your ego.

No other purpose will be served.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> Damn, Jupiter you're so good at back pedaling! That's your true

> talent.

>

Just put him on your blocked list. (By name, address, & IP domain.)

Never respond to him!

 

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

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> Not at all.

> It is you that is so bad at misquoting others to suit your agenda.

> It is not "back pedaling" to tell you I did not say what you claimed I

> said when I never said it.

> It is your imagination.

> Of course if you can show where I said it.

> But then if you could you already would have, but you CAN'T.

> Instead you have shown yourself as one who need to misquote others.

> Your continued attacks. void of facts.

>

> Good bye Adam.

> You continue to show you have NOTHING of value.

> Reply back only if you feel the need to feed your ego.

> No other purpose will be served.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

>

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:lgd093h0upro16fd5ndarpgpboq40hu2ur@4ax.com...

>> Damn, Jupiter you're so good at back pedaling! That's your true

>> talent.

>>

>

notachance wrote:

> I have just converted from registry cleaner naysayer to a true

> believer. And I will NOT name the tool I used.

 

Why not?

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:59:20 +0100, Alun Harford

> <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>

>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:26:30 +0100, Alun Harford

>>> <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Arun wrote:

>>>>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

>>>>> Ultimate.............

>>>> No. They cause more problems than they solve.

>>>> If you can't do it manually, you're likely to mess up your system if you

>>>> use a tool.

>>>> If you can do it manually, the tool isn't very useful.

>>> Telling people to manually edit their Registry isn't very good advice

>>> for the average user for obvious reasons doing so can totally trash

>>> your Registry making your computer unbootable. Far safer to use a tool

>>> designed for that purpose.

>> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.

>> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry

>> editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.

>> With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,

>> finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they

>> realise that they didn't know what they were doing.

>>

>> Alun Harford

>

>

> You're entitled to your opinion even if it isn't factual. The whole

> point behind Registry Cleaners is to avoid deleting something by

> mistake. Of course any tool used improperly isn't very smart. What you

> avoid saying is Registry Tools while most have some automatic feature

> also show you a list of what it is about to remove BEFORE it actually

> does, allowing the user to decide what to delete and what not to. Of

> course if anybody just haphazardly removes things without knowing why

> that is dumb. However suggesting people manually scan tens of

> thousands of lines in the Registry looking for "bad" things on their

> own is in my opinion equally risky and very time consuming. Stop being

> anal.

 

plonk

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:06:45 +0100, Alun Harford

<devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

 

>>> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.

>>> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry

>>> editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.

>>> With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,

>>> finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they

>>> realise that they didn't know what they were doing.

>>>

>>> Alun Harford

>>

>>

>> You're entitled to your opinion even if it isn't factual. The whole

>> point behind Registry Cleaners is to avoid deleting something by

>> mistake. Of course any tool used improperly isn't very smart. What you

>> avoid saying is Registry Tools while most have some automatic feature

>> also show you a list of what it is about to remove BEFORE it actually

>> does, allowing the user to decide what to delete and what not to. Of

>> course if anybody just haphazardly removes things without knowing why

>> that is dumb. However suggesting people manually scan tens of

>> thousands of lines in the Registry looking for "bad" things on their

>> own is in my opinion equally risky and very time consuming. Stop being

>> anal.

>

>plonk

 

When presented with facts, just plonk. How typical of fanboys.

Daave wrote:

> notachance wrote:

>> I have just converted from registry cleaner naysayer to a true

>> believer. And I will NOT name the tool I used.

>

> Why not?

>

>

>

 

For those with a problem like mine on a system similar to mine,

it would be wise. But I may have hit on a great combination of

utility plus system configuration - it worked for me but might

be a problem for you. And, I will promote/support products or

procedures only after seeing a reasonable number of successes.

Microsoft has a FREE beta registry cleaner. It is part of One care! You can

download it on their main page.

 

"John Barnes" wrote:

> I agree with most that it is not necessary and requires caution. That said

> Alias recommendation works fine and ALWAYS let it backup any entries you are

> going to delete. Unless you do a huge amount of installing and uninstalling

> of programs I would forget about it.

>

>

> "Arun" <Arun@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:50E926F2-55E9-4643-AAA7-BE185121B65C@microsoft.com...

> > Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for

> > vista

> > Ultimate.............

>

>

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:06:45 +0100, Alun Harford

> <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>

>

>>>> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.

>>>> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the

>>>> registry editor, because they realise that they don't know what

>>>> they're doing. With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard.

>>>> Next, next, next, next, finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot

>>>> any more." Only then do they realise that they didn't know what

>>>> they were doing.

>>>>

>>>> Alun Harford

>>>

>>>

>>> You're entitled to your opinion even if it isn't factual. The whole

>>> point behind Registry Cleaners is to avoid deleting something by

>>> mistake. Of course any tool used improperly isn't very smart. What

>>> you avoid saying is Registry Tools while most have some automatic

>>> feature also show you a list of what it is about to remove BEFORE

>>> it actually does, allowing the user to decide what to delete and

>>> what not to. Of course if anybody just haphazardly removes things

>>> without knowing why that is dumb. However suggesting people

>>> manually scan tens of

>>> thousands of lines in the Registry looking for "bad" things on their

>>> own is in my opinion equally risky and very time consuming. Stop

>>> being anal.

>>

>> plonk

>

> When presented with facts, just plonk. How typical of fanboys.

 

I'm anything but a "fanboy," but I would like to see you present these

facts.

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:15:23 -0400, "Daave"

<dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:06:45 +0100, Alun Harford

>> <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>>> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.

>>>>> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the

>>>>> registry editor, because they realise that they don't know what

>>>>> they're doing. With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard.

>>>>> Next, next, next, next, finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot

>>>>> any more." Only then do they realise that they didn't know what

>>>>> they were doing.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alun Harford

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You're entitled to your opinion even if it isn't factual. The whole

>>>> point behind Registry Cleaners is to avoid deleting something by

>>>> mistake. Of course any tool used improperly isn't very smart. What

>>>> you avoid saying is Registry Tools while most have some automatic

>>>> feature also show you a list of what it is about to remove BEFORE

>>>> it actually does, allowing the user to decide what to delete and

>>>> what not to. Of course if anybody just haphazardly removes things

>>>> without knowing why that is dumb. However suggesting people

>>>> manually scan tens of

>>>> thousands of lines in the Registry looking for "bad" things on their

>>>> own is in my opinion equally risky and very time consuming. Stop

>>>> being anal.

>>>

>>> plonk

>>

>> When presented with facts, just plonk. How typical of fanboys.

>

>I'm anything but a "fanboy," but I would like to see you present these

>facts.

 

The fact is Registry Cleaners work when used properly is well

documented. All that's required is learning how to use Google and

you'll find countless articles from some REAL experts, not the fakers

that hang out here that confirm it.

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/default.htm?s_cid=ideas ?

 

Q. Why would anyone want to use a beta version of a MS registry cleaner?

 

"Gene85" <Gene85@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Microsoft has a FREE beta registry cleaner. It is part of One care! You

> can

> download it on their main page.

>

> "John Barnes" wrote:

>

>> I agree with most that it is not necessary and requires caution. That

>> said

>> Alias recommendation works fine and ALWAYS let it backup any entries you

>> are

>> going to delete. Unless you do a huge amount of installing and

>> uninstalling

>> of programs I would forget about it.

>>

>>

>> "Arun" <Arun@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:50E926F2-55E9-4643-AAA7-BE185121B65C@microsoft.com...

>> > Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for

>> > vista

>> > Ultimate.............

>>

>>

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/center/whatsnew.htm

 

"Gene85" <Gene85@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:758497C0-7622-4ACD-B9D6-5BFA81EFEA9D@microsoft.com...

> Microsoft has a FREE beta registry cleaner. It is part of One care! You

> can

> download it on their main page.

>

> "John Barnes" wrote:

>

>> I agree with most that it is not necessary and requires caution. That

>> said

>> Alias recommendation works fine and ALWAYS let it backup any entries you

>> are

>> going to delete. Unless you do a huge amount of installing and

>> uninstalling

>> of programs I would forget about it.

>>

>>

>> "Arun" <Arun@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:50E926F2-55E9-4643-AAA7-BE185121B65C@microsoft.com...

>> > Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for

>> > vista

>> > Ultimate.............

>>

>>

Tuneup Utilities 2007

 

 

--

gizbug

Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

> The fact is Registry Cleaners work when used properly is well

> documented.

 

 

Then please provide links to such purported documentation. In all the

years I've supported the various Windows operating systems, I've *never*

been able to find any verifiable, independent laboratory reports that

demonstrate the alleged value of registry cleaners. The only people

claiming that registry cleaners do any real good are the people selling

them.

 

> All that's required is learning how to use Google and

> you'll find countless articles from some REAL experts, not the fakers

> that hang out here that confirm it.

>

 

No, all Google turns up is marketing crap from the purveyors of these

snake oil products. No independent laboratory reports that even hint at

any benefits from using registry cleaners are to be found.

 

 

--

 

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Help us help you:

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

 

Many people would rather die than think in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>

>> The fact is Registry Cleaners work when used properly is well

>> documented.

>

>

> Then please provide links to such purported documentation. In all

> the years I've supported the various Windows operating systems, I've

> *never* been able to find any verifiable, independent laboratory reports

> that demonstrate the alleged value of registry cleaners. The only

> people claiming that registry cleaners do any real good are the people

> selling them.

>

>

>> All that's required is learning how to use Google and

>> you'll find countless articles from some REAL experts, not the fakers

>> that hang out here that confirm it.

>

> No, all Google turns up is marketing crap from the purveyors of

> these snake oil products. No independent laboratory reports that even

> hint at any benefits from using registry cleaners are to be found.

>

>

 

So don't use them.

 

Alias

look up

 

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

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> Bruce Chambers wrote:

>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> The fact is Registry Cleaners work when used properly is well

>>> documented.

>>

>>

>> Then please provide links to such purported documentation. In all

>> the years I've supported the various Windows operating systems, I've

>> *never* been able to find any verifiable, independent laboratory reports

>> that demonstrate the alleged value of registry cleaners. The only people

>> claiming that registry cleaners do any real good are the people selling

>> them.

>>

>>

>>> All that's required is learning how to use Google and

>>> you'll find countless articles from some REAL experts, not the fakers

>>> that hang out here that confirm it.

>>

>> No, all Google turns up is marketing crap from the purveyors of these

>> snake oil products. No independent laboratory reports that even hint at

>> any benefits from using registry cleaners are to be found.

>>

>>

>

> So don't use them.

>

> Alias

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:00:08 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>So don't use them.

 

That right there is the BEST registry cleaner. NONE.

If someone wants to mess up their machine, just run regedit and start deleting things.

There's NEVER any need to physically by hand delete registry keys.

The key's are just taking up drive space until needed. Get a bigger HD if the registry's that big.

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keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:00:08 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>

>> So don't use them.

>

> That right there is the BEST registry cleaner. NONE.

> If someone wants to mess up their machine, just run regedit and start deleting things.

> There's NEVER any need to physically by hand delete registry keys.

> The key's are just taking up drive space until needed. Get a bigger HD if the registry's that big.

 

I use SystemSuite5 and Crap Cleaner all the time and have never had a

problem on five Windows machines since 2000 when I started using first

SystemSuite4 and, later, Crap Cleaner. They have improved the

performance of my computers and have been *very* useful cleaning up the

crap that uninstalls and installs leave behind. As registry bloat is a

gradual thing, you don't even notice that your computer is getting

slower but it is.

 

Alias

lookup

 

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

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> keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:00:08 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> So don't use them.

>>

>> That right there is the BEST registry cleaner. NONE.

>> If someone wants to mess up their machine, just run regedit and start

>> deleting things.

>> There's NEVER any need to physically by hand delete registry keys.

>> The key's are just taking up drive space until needed. Get a bigger HD if

>> the registry's that big.

>

> I use SystemSuite5 and Crap Cleaner all the time and have never had a

> problem on five Windows machines since 2000 when I started using first

> SystemSuite4 and, later, Crap Cleaner. They have improved the performance

> of my computers and have been *very* useful cleaning up the crap that

> uninstalls and installs leave behind. As registry bloat is a gradual

> thing, you don't even notice that your computer is getting slower but it

> is.

>

> Alias