Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

Ultimate.............

Arun wrote:

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

> Ultimate.............

 

http://www.ccleaner.com. Free.

 

Alias

Hello Arun,

 

For what did you have the need for cleaning your registry? If you delete

something without knowledge and about the need for the entry you can break

your system. Then maybe you have to reinstall. So why not using it like it

is? If you buy a car you also will not take out some electronic or some devices

from the engine.

 

Best regards

 

Myweb

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> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner

> for vista Ultimate.............

>

Arun wrote:

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

> Ultimate.............

 

No. They cause more problems than they solve.

If you can't do it manually, you're likely to mess up your system if you

use a tool.

If you can do it manually, the tool isn't very useful.

 

Alun Harford

Hi Arun,

 

"CCleaner" is great as a junk cleaner and other things, but it is only

a ok registry cleaner.

 

Wise makes a couple of free programs that one is a great registry

cleaner, "Wise Registry Cleaner", and the other is like Vista's Disk

Cleanup but better, "Wise Disk Cleaner". Here is the link for them:

 

'http://wisecleaner.com/download.html'

(http://wisecleaner.com/download.html)

 

Shawn

 

 

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"Arun" <Arun@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for

> vista

> Ultimate.............

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:26:30 +0100, Alun Harford

<devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>Arun wrote:

>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

>> Ultimate.............

>

>No. They cause more problems than they solve.

>If you can't do it manually, you're likely to mess up your system if you

>use a tool.

>If you can do it manually, the tool isn't very useful.

>

>Alun Harford

 

Telling people to manually edit their Registry isn't very good advice

for the average user for obvious reasons doing so can totally trash

your Registry making your computer unbootable. Far safer to use a tool

designed for that purpose.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:26:30 +0100, Alun Harford

> <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>

>> Arun wrote:

>>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

>>> Ultimate.............

>> No. They cause more problems than they solve.

>> If you can't do it manually, you're likely to mess up your system if you

>> use a tool.

>> If you can do it manually, the tool isn't very useful.

>

> Telling people to manually edit their Registry isn't very good advice

> for the average user for obvious reasons doing so can totally trash

> your Registry making your computer unbootable. Far safer to use a tool

> designed for that purpose.

 

The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.

Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry

editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.

With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,

finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they

realise that they didn't know what they were doing.

 

Alun Harford

Well, I both agree and disagree. On principle, I would agree, but there are

some decent tools out there that will *not* trash your system.

 

I don't use them much anymore, but a few years back, I had a Registry tool

that could verifiably delete some Registry components that were obviously,

without-a-doubt incorrect/obsolete. Sure, it wouldn't really take care of

many real problems, but it'd clean some things up that were pretty much safe

to remove.

 

Jason

 

"Alun Harford" <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote in message

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> Adam Albright wrote:

>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:26:30 +0100, Alun Harford

>> <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>>

>>> Arun wrote:

>>>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for

>>>> vista Ultimate.............

>>> No. They cause more problems than they solve.

>>> If you can't do it manually, you're likely to mess up your system if you

>>> use a tool.

>>> If you can do it manually, the tool isn't very useful.

>>

>> Telling people to manually edit their Registry isn't very good advice

>> for the average user for obvious reasons doing so can totally trash

>> your Registry making your computer unbootable. Far safer to use a tool

>> designed for that purpose.

>

> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.

> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry

> editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.

> With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,

> finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they

> realise that they didn't know what they were doing.

>

> Alun Harford

To put it another way...

A registry cleaner should not be used by anyone unfamiliar with the

registry they are unable to see something wrong.

Only use a registry cleaner if you are familiar enough to do the job

manually but desire a too to speed the job.

 

Since there is little or nothing to be gained anyway, leave the

registry alone unless you know exactly what you are doing.

 

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Alun Harford" <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote in message

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> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.

> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry

> editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're

> doing.

> With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next,

> next, finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then

> do they realise that they didn't know what they were doing.

>

> Alun Harford

Arun wrote:

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

> Ultimate.............

 

 

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What

specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's

bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by

using a registry cleaner?

 

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would

be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the

specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After

all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,

the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely

to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make

multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean

your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

 

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of

the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the

device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the

registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning

loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully

confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of

each and every change.

 

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using

automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most

experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.

Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands

of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to

maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and

experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,

no matter how safe they claim to be.

 

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an

automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced

computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been

no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such

products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance

or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

 

 

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On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:59:20 +0100, Alun Harford

<devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:26:30 +0100, Alun Harford

>> <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>>

>>> Arun wrote:

>>>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

>>>> Ultimate.............

>>> No. They cause more problems than they solve.

>>> If you can't do it manually, you're likely to mess up your system if you

>>> use a tool.

>>> If you can do it manually, the tool isn't very useful.

>>

>> Telling people to manually edit their Registry isn't very good advice

>> for the average user for obvious reasons doing so can totally trash

>> your Registry making your computer unbootable. Far safer to use a tool

>> designed for that purpose.

>

>The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.

>Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry

>editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.

>With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,

>finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they

>realise that they didn't know what they were doing.

>

>Alun Harford

 

 

You're entitled to your opinion even if it isn't factual. The whole

point behind Registry Cleaners is to avoid deleting something by

mistake. Of course any tool used improperly isn't very smart. What you

avoid saying is Registry Tools while most have some automatic feature

also show you a list of what it is about to remove BEFORE it actually

does, allowing the user to decide what to delete and what not to. Of

course if anybody just haphazardly removes things without knowing why

that is dumb. However suggesting people manually scan tens of

thousands of lines in the Registry looking for "bad" things on their

own is in my opinion equally risky and very time consuming. Stop being

anal.

Pick any 3 Registry Cleaners. Let them all scan for items to potentially

remove. DO NOT let them clean but examine the results and compare

to each other. You'll find that each has it's own definition of what is and

is not an invalid Key/Data. It's this "Subjective" determination that is the

danger with Registry cleaners. No two I've ever tested has created a

matching list of items to remove beyond MRU tables. The other point

to be made is repetitive runs with the same product. Run it once it may

find 200 entries, immediately run it again it may find 40 more. This acts

like pealing an onion, the more you run it the deeper it drills inside the

Registry and likely breaks more associations and interactions. Some of

the breakage of Registry Cleaners may not become apparent for weeks

of months after the tool is applied.

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

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> To put it another way...

> A registry cleaner should not be used by anyone unfamiliar with the

> registry they are unable to see something wrong.

> Only use a registry cleaner if you are familiar enough to do the job

> manually but desire a too to speed the job.

>

> Since there is little or nothing to be gained anyway, leave the registry

> alone unless you know exactly what you are doing.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

>

> "Alun Harford" <devnull@alunharford.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:OtpkQ$KwHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.

>> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry

>> editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.

>> With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,

>> finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they

>> realise that they didn't know what they were doing.

>>

>> Alun Harford

>

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:12:27 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>To put it another way...

>A registry cleaner should not be used by anyone unfamiliar with the

>registry they are unable to see something wrong.

>Only use a registry cleaner if you are familiar enough to do the job

>manually but desire a too to speed the job.

>

>Since there is little or nothing to be gained anyway, leave the

>registry alone unless you know exactly what you are doing.

 

Another implied I'm smarter than you post from Jupiter.

 

ROTFLMAO! So damn funny!

 

Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry in

your Registry purpose is when your typical Vista Registry runs tens of

thousands of lines and I'll show you a damn fool.

 

While years ago Registry Cleaners were rather crude today they are

safe IF you use them correctly. Saying nothing is to be gaining from

cleaning dead wood from your Registry is like saying nothing is gained

from removing that 800 pounds of sand you been dragging around in your

car's trunk for years.

 

One of the main reasons to use a Registry Cleaner is to clean up after

applications that don't always remove themselves completely when you

try to uninstall them. This can cause Windows to try to load a driver

that isn't there anymore since there could be a line in the Registry

that points to it still. This can cause the boot process to take

longer or in a worse case can cause Windows to go into some endless

loop trying to execute something in the Registry that isn't linked to

anything anymore.

 

Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs. <wink>

For years I have avoided "registry cleaners". My VHP system is

only ~10 weeks old, but has become quite slow despite several

attempts to speed it up.

 

In frustration I decided to try a reg cleaner, and picked a

freeware product that has been highly recommended by those who

believe in such a thing. I did a backup, restore point, etc. I

then did four benchmarks:

 

1. Batch Run (a little script) MSWord/Excel/PPt from Office 2007

2. Batch Run FireFox/Tbird/WMail/+3 utilities

3. Search & replace a complex conditional in a 20MB word file

4. Reboot time (clean, two consecutive reboots, 2nd was timed)

I know there are better ways to measure.

 

The cleaner scanned and found 3306 unnecessary items, of which

about 300 were "not completely safe to remove" and the rest were

deemed "completely safe to remove". I scrolled through the list,

and recognized quite a number of keys bearing names of apps

removed and services unused. Like just about anyone, I had to

decide whether to just click or to examine and guess on more

than 3000 items. With a restore point and reg backup, and 100%

files back up (Mozy), I crossed my fingers and clicked to "fix"

the "safe" ones.

 

It worked. The computer is obviously faster, and it's not

placebo effect. It now loads Word/XL/PPt (all three) in 3

seconds after pressing the hotkey - down from 9 - really! Comm

apps loaded in half the time. The unit reboots fine and in only

2/3 the time, under the same conditions (the second reboot,

nothing loaded). S&R in the word file took about the same time.

 

I have just converted from registry cleaner naysayer to a true

believer. And I will NOT name the tool I used.

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:06:02 -0700, Arun

<Arun@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista

> Ultimate.............

 

 

 

The best registry cleaner is *no* registry cleaner.

 

I strongly recommend *against* the use of registry cleaners. Cleaning

of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry

alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people

think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to

convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt

you.

 

 

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously

removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit

it may have.

 

 

--

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Kerry Brown wrote:

> System Restore, Regedit, and Windows Explorer

>

Don't forget Reinstall.

 

Shake Hands With,

Mr. Happy

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:02:38 -0700, notachance <nochance@all.to>

wrote:

>For years I have avoided "registry cleaners". My VHP system is

>only ~10 weeks old, but has become quite slow despite several

>attempts to speed it up.

>

>In frustration I decided to try a reg cleaner, and picked a

>freeware product that has been highly recommended by those who

>believe in such a thing. I did a backup, restore point, etc. I

>then did four benchmarks:

>

>1. Batch Run (a little script) MSWord/Excel/PPt from Office 2007

>2. Batch Run FireFox/Tbird/WMail/+3 utilities

>3. Search & replace a complex conditional in a 20MB word file

>4. Reboot time (clean, two consecutive reboots, 2nd was timed)

>I know there are better ways to measure.

>

>The cleaner scanned and found 3306 unnecessary items, of which

>about 300 were "not completely safe to remove" and the rest were

>deemed "completely safe to remove". I scrolled through the list,

>and recognized quite a number of keys bearing names of apps

>removed and services unused. Like just about anyone, I had to

>decide whether to just click or to examine and guess on more

>than 3000 items. With a restore point and reg backup, and 100%

>files back up (Mozy), I crossed my fingers and clicked to "fix"

>the "safe" ones.

>

>It worked. The computer is obviously faster, and it's not

>placebo effect. It now loads Word/XL/PPt (all three) in 3

>seconds after pressing the hotkey - down from 9 - really! Comm

>apps loaded in half the time. The unit reboots fine and in only

>2/3 the time, under the same conditions (the second reboot,

>nothing loaded). S&R in the word file took about the same time.

>

>I have just converted from registry cleaner naysayer to a true

>believer. And I will NOT name the tool I used.

 

 

Notice that all the people saying never use a Registry Cleaner are

either the same crop of loud fanboys or clueless MVPs. Nothing beats

real word experiments as you've just detailed.

 

I think part of the hostility towards Registry Cleaners is once upon a

time they were garbage. Times change, things improve. Windows was once

garbage too. It's the same knock Real Player gets. It use to include

spyware and it got black listed, It hasn't for years, is still one of

the best players offering some of the best compression verses quality

you can get. Yet people hold a grudge or just are dumb and because of

it, take your pick, won't use it. -)

"Another implied I'm smarter than you..."

Whatever you CHOOSE to ASSUME is up to you.

However most know what ASSUME means and again you do it.

It seems your insecurity shows in another way since you CHOOSE to see

what is not there.

 

"Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry..."

I never said any such thing.

But users need to know what a specific key does before letting the

cleaner remove it.

Your NEED to twist what is said to fuel your agenda is noted...again.

However I do know those familiar with the registry almost to that

point you suggest.

They and others manage the registry manually or use the tool to

identify then they decide what to delete.

 

"Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs."

Attacking again, such a typical post from you.

I thought you had matured beyond your stalking of a week ago.

Apparently I was mistaken since you NEED to stalk again as you have in

the past.

You obviously have no clue.

At least this time you contributed something to the thread where in

the past your entire contribution was NOTHING but attacks.

 

But a very typical post displaying your own insecurities as

demonstrated by your continuing need to attack to shore up your

position.

 

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> Another implied I'm smarter than you post from Jupiter.

>

> ROTFLMAO! So damn funny!

>

> Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry in

> your Registry purpose is when your typical Vista Registry runs tens

> of

> thousands of lines and I'll show you a damn fool.

>

> While years ago Registry Cleaners were rather crude today they are

> safe IF you use them correctly. Saying nothing is to be gaining from

> cleaning dead wood from your Registry is like saying nothing is

> gained

> from removing that 800 pounds of sand you been dragging around in

> your

> car's trunk for years.

>

> One of the main reasons to use a Registry Cleaner is to clean up

> after

> applications that don't always remove themselves completely when you

> try to uninstall them. This can cause Windows to try to load a

> driver

> that isn't there anymore since there could be a line in the Registry

> that points to it still. This can cause the boot process to take

> longer or in a worse case can cause Windows to go into some endless

> loop trying to execute something in the Registry that isn't linked

> to

> anything anymore.

>

> Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs. <wink>

Mr. Happy wrote:

> Kerry Brown wrote:

>

>

>>System Restore, Regedit, and Windows Explorer

>>

>

> Don't forget Reinstall.

>

> Shake Hands With,

> Mr. Happy

>

>

>

>

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It that you Doris? You're sounding more & more like the poster formally

know as "Doris Day".

He/she/it disappeared recently and now you appear sprouting the same

linux loser bs.

Well...?

Frank

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:36:09 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>"Another implied I'm smarter than you..."

>Whatever you CHOOSE to ASSUME is up to you.

>However most know what ASSUME means and again you do it.

>It seems your insecurity shows in another way since you CHOOSE to see

>what is not there.

 

Speaking of insecurity, you're the one attaching MVP behind your name

as if that implies some superior knowledge. <snort>

>

>"Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry..."

>I never said any such thing.

 

You implied it. Read nearly any post from any MVP on any topic and you

see the underlying pattern they know more, everybody else is dumb,

blah, blah, blah. So unprofessional and self-serving. What is YOUR

Ageneda that you have to attach MVP to every post?

>But users need to know what a specific key does before letting the

>cleaner remove it.

>Your NEED to twist what is said to fuel your agenda is noted...again.

 

What agenda? I simply don't like boastful windbags that hide behind

MVP and pretend they know more than everybody else when time after

time they're proven wrong. Microsoft should have killed the MVP

program like they planned to do years ago BECAUSE of complaints like

mine because now it is little more than a joke with a bunch of

clueless wannabe types stinking of the groups they post to.

>"Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs."

>Attacking again, such a typical post from you.

 

You are simply too thin skinned to be here, you can't contain your

anger, you're too proud to learn, too pigheaded to admit when you're

wrong. In other words, your typical MVP.

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:36:32 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

>Mr. Happy wrote:

>

>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>

>>

>>>System Restore, Regedit, and Windows Explorer

>>>

>>

>> Don't forget Reinstall.

>>

>> Shake Hands With,

>> Mr. Happy

>>

>>

>>

>>

>---------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>It that you Doris? You're sounding more & more like the poster formally

>know as "Doris Day".

>He/she/it disappeared recently and now you appear sprouting the same

>linux loser bs.

>Well...?

>Frank

 

 

You sound just like Justin the faker that tried so hard to pass

himself off as something he wasn't...just like you constantly do

Frank.

 

How's that chain letter scam of yours doing? Anybody dumb enough to

send to cash yet?

I recognize that my experiment (still 100% positive) with a

specific registry cleaner does not constitute a statistically

valid experiment, but it was MY EXPERIMENT.

 

This unit continues to be more responsive in many respects, with

no change in stability. Everything seems to work fine, and I've

clicked through many installed apps looking for problems. So

far, so great.

 

Maybe I was just lucky, but it's really a pleasure... It also

suggests that Vista speed issues justify an examination of the

Registry - and I don't know enough to go beyond that.

Hi Everyone,

 

Here is my two cents on how to be safe with a registry cleaner

program:

 

Why use a registry cleaner program?

A: To help keep all the left over remnants of a uninstalled program out

of the registry to help prevent future errors and conflicts. Plus, when

Vista loads it reads through the registry. If you keep you registry all

nice and neat and orderly, it will read through it faster and possibly

without any problems.

 

1. Scanning the registry manually looking for random invalid entries is

not practical. It is only practical if you are looking for invalid

entries for a specific program with the "Find" option.

 

2. The registry cleaning program can give you a quick list of

"possible" invalid entries that you can then look at in the registry to

confirm whether they are or not invalid entries. Only select the ones

that you know are invalid while leaving the rest that you are unsure

about.

 

3. Always enable the backup or undo feature of the registry cleaner

program just in case you do accidentally delete a entry from the

registry that you should not have.

 

As always, use your own judgement. If you so not know what your doing,

then you would most likely be better off leaving this alone.

 

Hope this helps with your decisions,

Shawn

 

 

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Adam Albright wrote:

 

>

> You sound just like Justin the faker that tried so hard to pass

> himself off as something he wasn't...just like you constantly do

> Frank.

>

> How's that chain letter scam of yours doing? Anybody dumb enough to

> send to cash yet?

>

 

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Do you always let the bottle do you're talking for you?

That's weak...you're weak lil'georgie boy.

Grow up...get help..aa...rehab...at least do something cause you're

pathetic.

Frank