Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:14:42 -0500 from Stan Brown

<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm>:

> Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:15:04 -0000 from Gordon

> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

> > And would you like to explain to us less-knowledgeable people just WHY it's

> > flawed?

>

> One reason is that it benchmarks nonexistent software against Vista.

 

Please disregard -- I see Gerry has posted an official link to SP3:

 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-

bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110&DisplayLang=en

 

--

Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/

"If there's one thing I know, it's men. I ought to: it's

been my life work." -- Marie Dressler, in /Dinner at Eight/

Stan Brown wrote:

> I see Gerry has posted an official link to SP3:

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110&DisplayLang=en

 

You should really go to/comprehend what is at the links before you post them

as something they are not. -)

 

--

Shenan Stanley

MS-MVP

--

How To Ask Questions The Smart Way

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Gordon

 

Do you really believe the Microsoft spin doctors and Bill Gates when

they try to explain the price differential? They all give different

explanations.Bill made a right cockup of his explanation when

interviewed on UK TV early in the year.

 

--

 

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Gerry

~~~~

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Gordon wrote:

> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:uJXkM00NIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>

> Gordon wrote:

>

>> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:ugNOmeoNIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>

>>> I am not impressed with their pricing strategy outside the US.

>>

>>

>> I emailed MS UK to ask why retail copies of Vista in UK were DOUBLE

>> the cost of Vista in the US, given the exchange rate of 2$ to the £,

>> and in the reply was the wonderful statement "one factor in

>> determining the retail price in the UK is the GDP per head"!!!!!!!!!!

>> As a Management Accountant of many years standing I have NEVER EVER

>> seen ANY organisation use "GDP per Head" as part of their pricing

>> strategy! And that backfired on them as the GDP per head in the US

>> is higher than that of the UK! When I put that to MS UK they became

>> remarkably silent....

>

> I would suspect that it's to cover the costs of doing business in the

> "European community".

>

>

> I suspect not, because the same thing happened with XP - XP was

> double the USA price, and that was WAY before the EU anti-trust

> thing....

Shenan

 

Stan did not post the link. I posted the link without commenting just to

see what the gang here made of it.

 

 

--

Regards.

 

Gerry

~~~~

FCA

Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Shenan Stanley wrote:

> Stan Brown wrote:

>> I see Gerry has posted an official link to SP3:

>>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110&DisplayLang=en

>

> You should really go to/comprehend what is at the links before you

> post them as something they are not. -)

>

> --

> Shenan Stanley

> MS-MVP

"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

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> Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:15:04 -0000 from Gordon

> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

>> And would you like to explain to us less-knowledgeable people just WHY

>> it's

>> flawed?

>

> One reason is that it benchmarks nonexistent software against Vista.

>

 

And just how did you deduce that from the article?

Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:23:58 -0000 from Gordon

<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

> "Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

> news:MPG.21c0ece020e355df98b284@news.individual.net...

> > Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:15:04 -0000 from Gordon

> > <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

> >> And would you like to explain to us less-knowledgeable people just WHY

> >> it's

> >> flawed?

> >

> > One reason is that it benchmarks nonexistent software against Vista.

> >

>

> And just how did you deduce that from the article?

 

I deduced it because the latest SP shown in MS download center was

SP2. We've been hearing about SP3 for a long time, and it's always

been either vaporware or some hack's creation.

 

Then after posting I saw Gerry's link, so it appears part of

Microsoft's site has been updated and part has not -- or else SP3 has

been announced but isn't actually available for download.

 

As I said when I started a new thread, I was surprised there hadn't

been any discussion here.

 

--

Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/

"If there's one thing I know, it's men. I ought to: it's

been my life work." -- Marie Dressler, in /Dinner at Eight/

Bob I wrote:

>

>

> ColTom2 wrote:

>

>> I must have hit a sensitive nerve with the Vista pundits although

>> unintentional. Since reading some of the curt replies it now causes me

>> to wonder even more why XP represented over 40% of MS sales of OS

>> software this year. This is somewhat unprecedented I might add and is

>> not a "flawed fact".

>>

>

> That would infer that nearly 60% was Vista. So whats the big whoopie doo

> about?

>

 

As one of those 60% ers, I did /not/ have a choice. My new portable came

pre-installed with Vista (no choice given) - and I refuse to pay more

money to a crooked organisation to have XP re-installed.

 

Now do you understand?

Bob I wrote:

> Actually the real interesting point is that it is very reminiscent of 5

> years ago. 'nough said.

>

 

So, Bob, people should wait for Vista "SP2" before they waste any money

on the new OS. Perhaps by that time Vista will have gone the way of

Windows ME (consigned to the dusbin of software history)

occam wrote:

> Bob I wrote:

>>

>>

>> ColTom2 wrote:

>>

>>> I must have hit a sensitive nerve with the Vista pundits although

>>> unintentional. Since reading some of the curt replies it now causes

>>> me to wonder even more why XP represented over 40% of MS sales of OS

>>> software this year. This is somewhat unprecedented I might add and is

>>> not a "flawed fact".

>>>

>>

>> That would infer that nearly 60% was Vista. So whats the big whoopie

>> doo about?

>>

>

> As one of those 60% ers, I did /not/ have a choice. My new portable came

> pre-installed with Vista (no choice given) - and I refuse to pay more

> money to a crooked organisation to have XP re-installed.

>

> Now do you understand?

 

What I don't understand is why you bought the laptop to begin with. It's

not as though one cannot buy a laptop with XP preinstalled. Or, if

you're hip, you'll wipe the drive and install Ubuntu on the laptop. Get

it at http://www.ubuntu.com

 

Alias

"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

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> Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:23:58 -0000 from Gordon

> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

>> "Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

>> news:MPG.21c0ece020e355df98b284@news.individual.net...

>> > Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:15:04 -0000 from Gordon

>> > <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

>> >> And would you like to explain to us less-knowledgeable people just WHY

>> >> it's

>> >> flawed?

>> >

>> > One reason is that it benchmarks nonexistent software against Vista.

>> >

>>

>> And just how did you deduce that from the article?

>

> I deduced it because the latest SP shown in MS download center was

> SP2. We've been hearing about SP3 for a long time, and it's always

> been either vaporware or some hack's creation.

>

> Then after posting I saw Gerry's link, so it appears part of

> Microsoft's site has been updated and part has not -- or else SP3 has

> been announced but isn't actually available for download.

>

> As I said when I started a new thread, I was surprised there hadn't

> been any discussion here.

>

 

SP3 for Vista has been released as RC1 to official BETA testers only and

they have their private newsgroups for discussions, that's why there's been

no discussion about it here. Anyone discussing SP3 here is probably NOT an

official MS Beta tester and so has got the pack "unofficially"....

"occam" <occam@razor.dot.com> wrote in message

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>

> As one of those 60% ers, I did /not/ have a choice. My new portable came

> pre-installed with Vista (no choice given)

 

Unless you were given this portable by your company, OF COURSE you had a

choice. There are still many OEM vendors that will supply you with a machine

with XP on it, you could have got a MAC, and of course there's Linux as

well.

Unless you mean that your favourite computer store didn't give you a choice,

in which case you should have voted with your wallet and gone somewhere that

DID give you a choice...

Stan

 

My link was a preliminary announcement as to what is to be included in

SP3. It is a draft which may, or may not, be amended when they release

SP3. Copies of SP3 are being Beta tested at the present. Beta testing in

essence is checking for bugs. You may expect the release during the

period January to June 2008.

 

--

 

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Gerry

~~~~

FCA

Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Stan Brown wrote:

> Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:23:58 -0000 from Gordon

> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

>> "Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

>> news:MPG.21c0ece020e355df98b284@news.individual.net...

>>> Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:15:04 -0000 from Gordon

>>> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

>>>> And would you like to explain to us less-knowledgeable people just

>>>> WHY it's

>>>> flawed?

>>>

>>> One reason is that it benchmarks nonexistent software against Vista.

>>>

>>

>> And just how did you deduce that from the article?

>

> I deduced it because the latest SP shown in MS download center was

> SP2. We've been hearing about SP3 for a long time, and it's always

> been either vaporware or some hack's creation.

>

> Then after posting I saw Gerry's link, so it appears part of

> Microsoft's site has been updated and part has not -- or else SP3 has

> been announced but isn't actually available for download.

>

> As I said when I started a new thread, I was surprised there hadn't

> been any discussion here.

You could gone to another computer supplier!

 

 

 

~~~~

 

 

Gerry

~~~~

FCA

Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

occam wrote:

> Bob I wrote:

>>

>>

>> ColTom2 wrote:

>>

>>> I must have hit a sensitive nerve with the Vista pundits although

>>> unintentional. Since reading some of the curt replies it now causes

>>> me to wonder even more why XP represented over 40% of MS sales of OS

>>> software this year. This is somewhat unprecedented I might add and

>>> is not a "flawed fact".

>>>

>>

>> That would infer that nearly 60% was Vista. So whats the big whoopie

>> doo about?

>>

>

> As one of those 60% ers, I did /not/ have a choice. My new portable

> came pre-installed with Vista (no choice given) - and I refuse to pay

> more money to a crooked organisation to have XP re-installed.

>

> Now do you understand?

Gordon

 

SP3 for Vista ?????????????????

 

 

 

~~~~

 

 

Gerry

~~~~

FCA

Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gordon wrote:

> "Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

> news:MPG.21c1a2681f00855a98b28e@news.individual.net...

>> Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:23:58 -0000 from Gordon

>> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

>>> "Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

>>> news:MPG.21c0ece020e355df98b284@news.individual.net...

>>>> Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:15:04 -0000 from Gordon

>>>> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

>>>>> And would you like to explain to us less-knowledgeable people

>>>>> just WHY it's

>>>>> flawed?

>>>>

>>>> One reason is that it benchmarks nonexistent software against

>>>> Vista.

>>>

>>> And just how did you deduce that from the article?

>>

>> I deduced it because the latest SP shown in MS download center was

>> SP2. We've been hearing about SP3 for a long time, and it's always

>> been either vaporware or some hack's creation.

>>

>> Then after posting I saw Gerry's link, so it appears part of

>> Microsoft's site has been updated and part has not -- or else SP3 has

>> been announced but isn't actually available for download.

>>

>> As I said when I started a new thread, I was surprised there hadn't

>> been any discussion here.

>>

>

> SP3 for Vista has been released as RC1 to official BETA testers only

> and they have their private newsgroups for discussions, that's why

> there's been no discussion about it here. Anyone discussing SP3 here

> is probably NOT an official MS Beta tester and so has got the pack

> "unofficially"....

"Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> Gordon

>

> SP3 for Vista ?????????????????

>

 

just testing.......-)

Gerry wrote:

> You could gone to another computer supplier!

>

>

 

I hear all the comments - but /you/ do not live in Luxembourg. I have

trouble getting QWERTY (normal English) keyboard, and my options are not

the same as yours. Yes, I could have insisted on a DELL (instead of

Acer) etc - but I would still have had to pay more for the XP version

than the Vista.

Microsoft has just released SP3 RC1 to MSDN subscribers.

 

GS

 

 

 

"Gerry" wrote:

> Stan

>

> My link was a preliminary announcement as to what is to be included in

> SP3. It is a draft which may, or may not, be amended when they release

> SP3. Copies of SP3 are being Beta tested at the present. Beta testing in

> essence is checking for bugs. You may expect the release during the

> period January to June 2008.

>

> --

>

>

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Gerry

> ~~~~

> FCA

> Stourport, England

> Enquire, plan and execute

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>

> Stan Brown wrote:

> > Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:23:58 -0000 from Gordon

> > <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

> >> "Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message

> >> news:MPG.21c0ece020e355df98b284@news.individual.net...

> >>> Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:15:04 -0000 from Gordon

> >>> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid>:

> >>>> And would you like to explain to us less-knowledgeable people just

> >>>> WHY it's

> >>>> flawed?

> >>>

> >>> One reason is that it benchmarks nonexistent software against Vista.

> >>>

> >>

> >> And just how did you deduce that from the article?

> >

> > I deduced it because the latest SP shown in MS download center was

> > SP2. We've been hearing about SP3 for a long time, and it's always

> > been either vaporware or some hack's creation.

> >

> > Then after posting I saw Gerry's link, so it appears part of

> > Microsoft's site has been updated and part has not -- or else SP3 has

> > been announced but isn't actually available for download.

> >

> > As I said when I started a new thread, I was surprised there hadn't

> > been any discussion here.

>

>

>

occam wrote:

> Bob I wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> ColTom2 wrote:

>>

>>> I must have hit a sensitive nerve with the Vista pundits although

>>> unintentional. Since reading some of the curt replies it now causes

>>> me to wonder even more why XP represented over 40% of MS sales of OS

>>> software this year. This is somewhat unprecedented I might add and is

>>> not a "flawed fact".

>>>

>>

>> That would infer that nearly 60% was Vista. So whats the big whoopie

>> doo about?

>>

>

> As one of those 60% ers, I did /not/ have a choice. My new portable came

> pre-installed with Vista (no choice given) - and I refuse to pay more

> money to a crooked organisation to have XP re-installed.

>

> Now do you understand?

 

Yes, I understand you neither know how to shop for a computer, or what

you are talking about.

Vista is a lot dearer than XP. I can imagine you might have

difficulties. You can probably buy in the UK and have it shipped to

Luxembourg. Shipping charges might cost.

 

You might see if anything here helps for a future purchase:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=3149601#countries

 

Many UK suppliers do not supply overseas.

 

 

--

 

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Gerry

~~~~

FCA

Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

occam wrote:

> Gerry wrote:

>> You could gone to another computer supplier!

>>

>>

>

> I hear all the comments - but /you/ do not live in Luxembourg. I have

> trouble getting QWERTY (normal English) keyboard, and my options are

> not the same as yours. Yes, I could have insisted on a DELL (instead

> of Acer) etc - but I would still have had to pay more for the XP

> version than the Vista.

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:51:19 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:

>ColTom2 wrote:

>> Recently released info:

>>

>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>

>There's an old joke about human nature being based on studies done on mice

>and college sophomores - neither of which are human.

>

>For most commercial applications, speed is almost irrelevant. If, for

>example, Microsoft Word were five times faster, the time to compose a letter

>would drop by, um, 0.01%.

>

>The folks who fixate on speed are open source developers and dedicated

>gamers, neither of which ...

 

Excellent point. I perform (mainly) only two tasks on my computer I

write (but have not yet sold) short stories and, so far, 3 novels and

that task is no faster now than when I was using 'Wordstar' on a 286

machine. The second one is my hobby, photography, for which I use

Photoshop which I remember used to take a dog's age to perform a

'save' function and now is almost instantaneous with a 2 gig system

and I'm in no hurry to lay out money just so I can say I have a 3 or

4 gig system because I doubt if I'd notice the difference.

Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:56:14 -0000 from Gerry <gerry@nospam.com>:

> Stan

>

> My link was a preliminary announcement as to what is to be included in

> SP3. It is a draft which may, or may not, be amended when they release

> SP3. Copies of SP3 are being Beta tested at the present. Beta testing in

> essence is checking for bugs. You may expect the release during the

> period January to June 2008.

 

Thanks Gerry! That clears things up.

 

--

Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/

"If there's one thing I know, it's men. I ought to: it's

been my life work." -- Marie Dressler, in /Dinner at Eight/

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/what_went_wrong_with_windows_vista.html

 

 

"ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message

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Recently released info:

 

http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

I look at it as this...

 

XPSP2+ just takes longer to crash... :)

 

 

"ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message

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> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/what_went_wrong_with_windows_vista.html

>

>

> "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23iJLWAhNIHA.4136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Recently released info:

>

> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>

>

>