Windows XP SP3 Twice As Fast As Vista

December 4, 200717 yr

"Frank" <fb@jr.kmo> wrote in message

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> Gordon wrote:

>

>> "Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message

>> news:urOv3ChNIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>ColTom2 wrote:

>>>

>>>>Recently released info:

>>>>

>>>>http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>>>

>>>Forget it...that was posted days ago and the test used was severely

>>>flawed.

>>>Frank

>>

>> Like SIX DAYS? That's OLD?

>> And would you like to explain to us less-knowledgeable people just WHY

>> it's flawed?

>> Just saying "it's flawed" could be you as a Vista apologist.....

>

> Well, maybe you should read the damn article.

> Frank

Well maybe I did. They said that they "ALSO" tested Vista with Office 2007 -

ie AFTER the benchmark tests and AGAIN found that XP was faster then

Vista....maybe YOU should read the article as well.........

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HeyBub wrote:

> ColTom2 wrote:

>> Recently released info:

>>

>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>

> There's an old joke about human nature being based on studies done on mice

> and college sophomores - neither of which are human.

>

> For most commercial applications, speed is almost irrelevant. If, for

> example, Microsoft Word were five times faster, the time to compose a letter

> would drop by, um, 0.01%.

>

> The folks who fixate on speed are open source developers and dedicated

> gamers, neither of which ...

>

Even ms touts vista using the term "faster". So although ms might not be

fixated on speed, it certainly is touting "faster" as a major "plus"

aspect of the os, however irrelevant it might be in your view.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/easier.mspx

"Get things done and get on with life! Windows Vista makes it faster and

easier than ever to find, use, manage, share, and enjoy information—on

your PC and on the web."

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December 4, 200717 yr

Actually the real interesting point is that it is very reminiscent of 5

years ago. 'nough said.

Gerry wrote:

> Bob

>

> The interesting point is not what the percentages are but that there is

> significant customer resistance to taking Vista on board. The operating

> system has improvements in some areas but definitely takes steps

> backwards in other areas. Microsoft seem to assume all customers are

> dummies to be manipulated. I am not impressed with their pricing

> strategy outside the US. As things stand I think Windows XP will remain

> a better purchase option for many users for perhaps another 3 years.

>

> However, one has to recognise that the latest gossip is about beta

> products and could be totally misleading. Microsoft has, however,

> miscalculated on the value of the changes in Vista, especially as

> regards the commercial sector. Same point seems to apply regarding

> Office 2007 although I am not conversant with the issues being still

> reliant on Office 2000.

>

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norm wrote:

> HeyBub wrote:

>

>> ColTom2 wrote:

>>

>>> Recently released info:

>>>

>>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>>

>> There's an old joke about human nature being based on studies done on

>> mice and college sophomores - neither of which are human.

>>

>> For most commercial applications, speed is almost irrelevant. If, for

>> example, Microsoft Word were five times faster, the time to compose a

>> letter would drop by, um, 0.01%.

>>

>> The folks who fixate on speed are open source developers and dedicated

>> gamers, neither of which ...

>>

> Even ms touts vista using the term "faster". So although ms might not be

> fixated on speed, it certainly is touting "faster" as a major "plus"

> aspect of the os, however irrelevant it might be in your view.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/easier.mspx

> "Get things done and get on with life! Windows Vista makes it faster and

> easier than ever to find, use, manage, share, and enjoy information—on

> your PC and on the web."

>

The search feature is definitely faster. Notice the word "find" is the

first word used after "faster and easier" in the ad.

Frank

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December 4, 200717 yr

Wasn't for me. It most likely depends on what you are searching for. The

Search function is a negative feature as far as I am concerned.

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Frank wrote:

> norm wrote:

>

>> HeyBub wrote:

>>

>>> ColTom2 wrote:

>>>

>>>> Recently released info:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>>>

>>> There's an old joke about human nature being based on studies done

>>> on mice and college sophomores - neither of which are human.

>>>

>>> For most commercial applications, speed is almost irrelevant. If,

>>> for example, Microsoft Word were five times faster, the time to

>>> compose a letter would drop by, um, 0.01%.

>>>

>>> The folks who fixate on speed are open source developers and

>>> dedicated gamers, neither of which ...

>>>

>> Even ms touts vista using the term "faster". So although ms might

>> not be fixated on speed, it certainly is touting "faster" as a major

>> "plus" aspect of the os, however irrelevant it might be in your view.

>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/easier.mspx

>> "Get things done and get on with life! Windows Vista makes it faster

>> and easier than ever to find, use, manage, share, and enjoy

>> information—on your PC and on the web."

>>

>

> The search feature is definitely faster. Notice the word "find" is the

> first word used after "faster and easier" in the ad.

> Frank

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December 4, 200717 yr

Come on then Frank gives us the inside story? I am sitting on the edge

of my chair waiting to hang on your words!

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Frank wrote:

> Gerry wrote:

>

>> Don't worry Tom.the two of them were trolls. Frank was not seemingly

>> wanting to explain why the tests were flawed. I doubt he access to

>> any real information.

>

> Using two different Office apps to do the test...2007 on one machine

> and 2003 on another completely negates any findings and totally makes

> for "flawed" results.

> Eunf said.

> Frank

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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:38:31 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>> "Get things done and get on with life! Windows Vista makes it faster and

>> easier than ever to find, use, manage, share, and enjoy information—on

>> your PC and on the web."

>>

>

>The search feature is definitely faster. Notice the word "find" is the

>first word used after "faster and easier" in the ad.

>Frank

There's no free lunch and that includes 'Find'.

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kevpan815 wrote:

> P.S. My Local Congressman For The 16th Congressional District Of The State Of

> IL (U.S.A. Republican Congressman Donald Manzullo Of The 16th Congressional

> District For The State Of IL), Has Already Endorced Fred Thompson As A

> Winner, And Is Running To Become One Of Fred Thompson's Delagates For The RNC

> (Republican National Committee) National Convention, Just FYI.

In a recent poll disclosed in the media, 24% of the people polled felt

that Fred Thompson should continue to run in the primary, but another

48% felt that he should go back to acting, LOL!

>

> "kevpan158" wrote:

>

>> Yes, Thank You For Sharing. Just FYI. I Use Ubuntu 7.10, And I Use Windows

>> 2008 Server On My Desktop Because I Don't Know What Windows 2008 Server Is

>> For. Just FYI.

>>

>> I Am Friends With Fred Thompson, Just FYI.

>>

>> Just FYI

>>

>> "kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:C80296E9-D25B-4BB6-BEA4-C61AFCBE0D89@microsoft.com...

>>> Thanks For Sharing, Just FYI.

>>>

>>> "ColTom2" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Recently released info:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>>>>

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Do you suppose there is an analogy between Windows Vista and Windows ME?

One at this point sorta reminds one of the other....

MS is now talking about a newer OS...."Windows 7".

P.S. From what I have read XP SP3 surprised even MS with the results that

are being obtained from it, while Vista SP1 seems to be in a depressed mode.

But then what I am reading is probably flawed in some way or other.

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December 4, 200717 yr

Indeed quite an expensive one.

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WaIIy wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:38:31 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>> "Get things done and get on with life! Windows Vista makes it

>>> faster and easier than ever to find, use, manage, share, and enjoy

>>> information-on your PC and on the web."

>>>

>>

>> The search feature is definitely faster. Notice the word "find" is

>> the first word used after "faster and easier" in the ad.

>> Frank

>

> There's no free lunch and that includes 'Find'.

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norm wrote:

> HeyBub wrote:

>> ColTom2 wrote:

>>> Recently released info:

>>>

>>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>>

>> There's an old joke about human nature being based on studies done on

>> mice and college sophomores - neither of which are human.

>>

>> For most commercial applications, speed is almost irrelevant. If, for

>> example, Microsoft Word were five times faster, the time to compose a

>> letter would drop by, um, 0.01%.

>>

>> The folks who fixate on speed are open source developers and dedicated

>> gamers, neither of which ...

>>

> Even ms touts vista using the term "faster". So although ms might not be

> fixated on speed, it certainly is touting "faster" as a major "plus"

> aspect of the os, however irrelevant it might be in your view.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/easier.mspx

> "Get things done and get on with life! Windows Vista makes it faster and

> easier than ever to find, use, manage, share, and enjoy information—on

> your PC and on the web."

>

Clearly some people (vista users) prefer bloat over performance.

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"MS is now talking about a newer OS...."Windows 7"."

Very true, but that has little to do with Windows Vista and more to do

with the future products.

This is not new talk at all.

Development of Windows 7 really started the moment Windows Vista went

Gold and in some ways, earlier.

That has always been the case with Microsoft.

But that is in not unique to Windows or even computers or technology.

Find a company that is not planning their next product regardless of

the success of their current product.

And you will see a company in their last days of their last product.

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"ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message

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> Do you suppose there is an analogy between Windows Vista and

> Windows ME?

> One at this point sorta reminds one of the other....

>

> MS is now talking about a newer OS...."Windows 7".

>

> P.S. From what I have read XP SP3 surprised even MS with the results

> that

> are being obtained from it, while Vista SP1 seems to be in a

> depressed mode.

> But then what I am reading is probably flawed in some way or other.

>

> "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23iJLWAhNIHA.4136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Recently released info:

>

> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

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December 4, 200717 yr

well xp sp3 may be faster than vista now, but not after vista has their

first service pack come out. did u ever think about that?

ColTom2 wrote:

> Recently released info:

>

> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:39:24 -0500, Derik <berwaldd@gmail.com> wrote:

>well xp sp3 may be faster than vista now, but not after vista has their

>first service pack come out. did u ever think about that?

>

>ColTom2 wrote:

>> Recently released info:

>>

>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>>

They're going to name it SP1_Gastric-Bypass-for-Bloatware ?

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Derik wrote:

> well xp sp3 may be faster than vista now, but not after vista has their

> first service pack come out. did u ever think about that?

>

> ColTom2 wrote:

>> Recently released info:

>>

>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>>

You need to reread the article. Whether the results cited in the article

are accurate or not, it states that xp sp3 is faster than vista or

vista with sp1.

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norm wrote:

> Derik wrote:

>> well xp sp3 may be faster than vista now, but not after vista has

>> their first service pack come out. did u ever think about that?

>>

>> ColTom2 wrote:

>>> Recently released info:

>>>

>>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>>>

> You need to reread the article. Whether the results cited in the

> article are accurate or not, it states that xp sp3 is faster than

> vista or vista with sp1.

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December 5, 200717 yr

> Find a company that is not planning their next product regardless of the

> success of their current product.

> And you will see a company in their last days of their last product.

Your blind defense and ignorance are your own fault.

Companies are always planning for the next generation products but they

rarely talk about it, and in most cases, those are strictly confidential.

In some cases, hints about future trends would be given but that's about it.

Find a company that will constantly talk about their next generation

products when they just released the current one. They don't because that

will cannibalize the current product sales.

You would think this is normal and as novice users will want to undertake

all possible risks and troubles just to get rid of an OS and as those shiny

sales figure?

Well, why many industry analysts and PC manufacturers are not happy and I

will not be surprised if MS itself won't either, if they are not as blind as

you are?

The truth is, those sales figure that you and fanbois are so excited about

is just the average PC sales during the period plus the average growth rate.

Don't understand? Remember Windows is the de facto OS for PCs? That means

with or without Vista, those sales will be there anyway for the company.

And in the later case, it will be XP's sales. An interesting question for

the company's management and for those would like to think deeper would be -

Are those R&D efforts worthwhile after all?

What Vista WAS expected is to increase PC sales, a bigger pie, and that did

NOT happen at least up to this point. It's not 88 or 90M "additional" PC

sales due to the release of Vista. That's why industry analysts and PC

makers are not so happy.

What Vista was NOT expected but did happen is - Downgrade right for the very

first time. That carry additional costs for the company and those who sell

the product.

Furthermore, we don't know the number of returns and the actual number of

installs, except your comrade Andre is the only one giving the actual user,

but he doesn't provide source and his scientific research methodology, and

in all others cases, you will be the first one to accuse this kind of person

for not using facts and lying, but you just ignore for reasons only you

know.

Again, I couldn't care less about those numbers but to point out your blind

defense and ignorance.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

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> "MS is now talking about a newer OS...."Windows 7"."

> Very true, but that has little to do with Windows Vista and more to do

> with the future products.

> This is not new talk at all.

> Development of Windows 7 really started the moment Windows Vista went Gold

> and in some ways, earlier.

> That has always been the case with Microsoft.

> But that is in not unique to Windows or even computers or technology.

>

> Find a company that is not planning their next product regardless of the

> success of their current product.

> And you will see a company in their last days of their last product.

>

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> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

> "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message

> news:O3qDpoqNIHA.4832@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Do you suppose there is an analogy between Windows Vista and Windows ME?

>> One at this point sorta reminds one of the other....

>>

>> MS is now talking about a newer OS...."Windows 7".

>>

>> P.S. From what I have read XP SP3 surprised even MS with the results that

>> are being obtained from it, while Vista SP1 seems to be in a depressed

>> mode.

>> But then what I am reading is probably flawed in some way or other.

>>

>> "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23iJLWAhNIHA.4136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Recently released info:

>>

>> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

>

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"but they rarely talk about it"

Not as true with software and news about upcoming products is often

available from Microsoft.

This is old news and nothing new.

Your claims "Your blind defense and ignorance" demonstrate your own

desperation since you did nothing to refute what was said other than

your pointless insults.

"those sales figure that you and fanbois are so excited about"

Obviously you are on a blind rampage.

Where did I ever show excitement about sales figures, anyone's sales

figures?

I did not, but that goes against your narrow view so again, you

fabricate fiction to suit you.

"Again, I couldn't care less about"

Obviously FALSE since it is you and not me bringing them up.

I pay little attention to them, but it seems they got you going to the

point you need to FALSELY attribute things to me I NEVER said.

Read my post again, possibly for the first time.

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> Your blind defense and ignorance are your own fault.

>

> Companies are always planning for the next generation products but

> they rarely talk about it, and in most cases, those are strictly

> confidential. In some cases, hints about future trends would be

> given but that's about it.

>

> Find a company that will constantly talk about their next generation

> products when they just released the current one. They don't

> because that will cannibalize the current product sales.

>

> You would think this is normal and as novice users will want to

> undertake all possible risks and troubles just to get rid of an OS

> and as those shiny sales figure?

>

> Well, why many industry analysts and PC manufacturers are not happy

> and I will not be surprised if MS itself won't either, if they are

> not as blind as you are?

>

> The truth is, those sales figure that you and fanbois are so excited

> about is just the average PC sales during the period plus the

> average growth rate. Don't understand? Remember Windows is the de

> facto OS for PCs? That means with or without Vista, those sales

> will be there anyway for the company. And in the later case, it will

> be XP's sales. An interesting question for the company's management

> and for those would like to think deeper would be - Are those R&D

> efforts worthwhile after all?

>

> What Vista WAS expected is to increase PC sales, a bigger pie, and

> that did NOT happen at least up to this point. It's not 88 or 90M

> "additional" PC sales due to the release of Vista. That's why

> industry analysts and PC makers are not so happy.

>

> What Vista was NOT expected but did happen is - Downgrade right for

> the very first time. That carry additional costs for the company

> and those who sell the product.

>

> Furthermore, we don't know the number of returns and the actual

> number of installs, except your comrade Andre is the only one giving

> the actual user, but he doesn't provide source and his scientific

> research methodology, and in all others cases, you will be the first

> one to accuse this kind of person for not using facts and lying, but

> you just ignore for reasons only you know.

>

> Again, I couldn't care less about those numbers but to point out

> your blind defense and ignorance.

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xfile wrote:

>>Find a company that is not planning their next product regardless of the

>>success of their current product.

>>And you will see a company in their last days of their last product.

>

> Your blind defense and ignorance are your own fault.

>

> Companies are always planning for the next generation products but they

> rarely talk about it, and in most cases, those are strictly confidential.

Except in the computer industry. Just look at how Intel & AMD always

hype their upcoming products which are usually only months or 1 yrs away

from release. Look at the mobo manufacturers...they are doing the same

hype and so are the memory and HDD companies. Fact is, in this area of

technology, hype is the life blood, cause what we have is always

sufficient and only hype will get us to want the next big thing.

Which if we don't get it then the companies will die, the economy will

worsen and life will be...well miserable! :-)

Don't forget, MS's new desktop OS's are always yrs away...so hyping does

not dilute current sales.

Vista is doing fine...the biggest problem is that MS made quite a few

architectural changes which evidently pissed off a few XP upgrade users.

Well, they'll get over it cause those same changes will become the norm

and Win 7 will proly look a whole lot like Vista.

So just get over it. It is what it is...and there is nothing wrong with it.

Frank

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First of all, I am not saying nor implying Vista is good or bad. I have no

interest in discussing a product's good or bad as there has no such thing.

> Except in the computer industry. Just look at how Intel & AMD always hype

> their upcoming products which are usually only months or 1 yrs away from

> release.

Yes, a year away is for pre-sales and for evaluation, and if I remember

correctly, you are in marketing profession(?). You would know that there is

a lag time between awareness and actual purchase behavior is taken(??).

I have no doubt (which actually is a fact) that Intel already has the next

two generations of CPUs are ready at any time if rivals have initiated any

unexpected movements. But do they talk about it? No. They will just follow

the normal procedures, and like you mentioned, a year or so for the normal

replacement.

Again, I am not saying or implying Vista is doing good or bad. In fact, I

could easily give two legit reasons (or excuses) for sales increase has yet

to happen: (1) global macroeconomics is not good, and (2) US PC market is

mature (for some time). Both are legitimate and can be used a part of

reasons or excuses depending how one wants to use them.

In any event, there are things going unexpectedly and it may or may NOT

relate to the product itself and no one can deny it.

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> xfile wrote:

>>>Find a company that is not planning their next product regardless of the

>>>success of their current product.

>>>And you will see a company in their last days of their last product.

>>

>> Your blind defense and ignorance are your own fault.

>>

>> Companies are always planning for the next generation products but they

>> rarely talk about it, and in most cases, those are strictly confidential.

>

> Except in the computer industry. Just look at how Intel & AMD always hype

> their upcoming products which are usually only months or 1 yrs away from

> release. Look at the mobo manufacturers...they are doing the same hype and

> so are the memory and HDD companies. Fact is, in this area of technology,

> hype is the life blood, cause what we have is always sufficient and only

> hype will get us to want the next big thing.

> Which if we don't get it then the companies will die, the economy will

> worsen and life will be...well miserable! :-)

> Don't forget, MS's new desktop OS's are always yrs away...so hyping does

> not dilute current sales.

> Vista is doing fine...the biggest problem is that MS made quite a few

> architectural changes which evidently pissed off a few XP upgrade users.

> Well, they'll get over it cause those same changes will become the norm

> and Win 7 will proly look a whole lot like Vista.

> So just get over it. It is what it is...and there is nothing wrong with

> it.

> Frank

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Again, attacking people when you have no facts to against the claims?

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

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> "but they rarely talk about it"

> Not as true with software and news about upcoming products is often

> available from Microsoft.

> This is old news and nothing new.

> Your claims "Your blind defense and ignorance" demonstrate your own

> desperation since you did nothing to refute what was said other than your

> pointless insults.

>

> "those sales figure that you and fanbois are so excited about"

> Obviously you are on a blind rampage.

> Where did I ever show excitement about sales figures, anyone's sales

> figures?

> I did not, but that goes against your narrow view so again, you fabricate

> fiction to suit you.

>

> "Again, I couldn't care less about"

> Obviously FALSE since it is you and not me bringing them up.

> I pay little attention to them, but it seems they got you going to the

> point you need to FALSELY attribute things to me I NEVER said.

>

> Read my post again, possibly for the first time.

>

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> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message

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>> Your blind defense and ignorance are your own fault.

>>

>> Companies are always planning for the next generation products but they

>> rarely talk about it, and in most cases, those are strictly confidential.

>> In some cases, hints about future trends would be given but that's about

>> it.

>>

>> Find a company that will constantly talk about their next generation

>> products when they just released the current one. They don't because

>> that will cannibalize the current product sales.

>>

>> You would think this is normal and as novice users will want to undertake

>> all possible risks and troubles just to get rid of an OS and as those

>> shiny sales figure?

>>

>> Well, why many industry analysts and PC manufacturers are not happy and I

>> will not be surprised if MS itself won't either, if they are not as blind

>> as you are?

>>

>> The truth is, those sales figure that you and fanbois are so excited

>> about is just the average PC sales during the period plus the average

>> growth rate. Don't understand? Remember Windows is the de facto OS for

>> PCs? That means with or without Vista, those sales will be there anyway

>> for the company. And in the later case, it will be XP's sales. An

>> interesting question for the company's management and for those would

>> like to think deeper would be - Are those R&D efforts worthwhile after

>> all?

>>

>> What Vista WAS expected is to increase PC sales, a bigger pie, and that

>> did NOT happen at least up to this point. It's not 88 or 90M

>> "additional" PC sales due to the release of Vista. That's why industry

>> analysts and PC makers are not so happy.

>>

>> What Vista was NOT expected but did happen is - Downgrade right for the

>> very first time. That carry additional costs for the company and those

>> who sell the product.

>>

>> Furthermore, we don't know the number of returns and the actual number of

>> installs, except your comrade Andre is the only one giving the actual

>> user, but he doesn't provide source and his scientific research

>> methodology, and in all others cases, you will be the first one to accuse

>> this kind of person for not using facts and lying, but you just ignore

>> for reasons only you know.

>>

>> Again, I couldn't care less about those numbers but to point out your

>> blind defense and ignorance.

>

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December 5, 200717 yr

At microsoft.com users with XP SP3 BETA,say it is faster than vista,but

2X faster is never mentioned among any,slightly faster is about right.

"ColTom2" wrote:

> Recently released info:

>

> http://www.dabcc.com:80/article.aspx?id=6507

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December 5, 200717 yr

Read your own post.

What you said applies to you at least as much.

You said:

"those sales figure that you and fanbois are so excited about"

Part of what I said:

"Obviously you are on a blind rampage."

That must be what you call an attack from me.

You attribute to me what is not to suit your agenda of FUD and other

fiction.

That is not an attack from me, that is FACT and you know it is FACT.

You went on a rampage because you did not like what I said.

You prop up what you wanted with FALSE statements.

Your need to spread FALSE information is an attack and the FALSE

information is from YOU.

Calling others ignorant etc when you have nothing valid to say.

Deal with the issues, or not.

But do not accuse others of attacks while you do it more than most.

For the facts, go back and read the newsgroups from years ago.

You will see references to upcoming operating systems, sometimes 2 or

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