forty-nine wrote:

> "Dave Cohen" <user@example.net> wrote in message

> news:58i7j.1523$CJ.1392@trndny02...

>> forty-nine wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> Must be my hardware...ubuntu knows quality when it sees it...and self

>>> fails

>>

>> Your problem is a need to be noticed, so you make provocative posts

>> hoping to get some attention, even if some of that is predictably

>> negative.

>> You shouldn't be doing that, it clutters things up and obscures the

>> more meaningful posts. You're much more likely to get words of comfort

>> from you wife than from us, so try that and stop bothering us.

>> Dave Cohen

>

>

> No I don't.

> Show me a post where I criticize on actual Vista user.

> I troll the Trolls.

> It's a vicious cycle.

 

Well let me add to what is wrong with Vista. A tale of frame rates!

World of War Craft has some tears in the screen and shudders in Vista

with a max frame rate of 30fps. (Runs on XP or Linux@ 58fps)

 

Call of Duty 4 Fails to run correctly in Vista with Nvidia graphics

drivers. Max frame rate 45 with an 8800gtx card with 768meg of ddr3.

(Runs on XP or Linux@ 60fps)

 

Half Life Counter Strike is one of the worst at 42fps on a 512meg card

but you can only run 640x480 mode. That sucks!!!

(Runs on XP or Linux 1024x768 mode @ 72fps all day long)

 

Windows Vista needs 4 GIG to work any of these games so they are even

playable. Where as XP and Linux will run flawless on on only 2 GIG of

memory. I won't mention Sof3 and Crysis, the newest games out. A friend

of mine had to barrow an XP box just to play them.

 

The standard Windows Vista Program Compatibility assistant response is:

"This driver is blocked due to compatibility issues"

I have yet to see that in Linux.

"Bman" <bjjl@charter.net> wrote in message

news:MVm7j.57$FR6.1@newsfe02.lga...

> forty-nine wrote:

>> "Dave Cohen" <user@example.net> wrote in message

>> news:58i7j.1523$CJ.1392@trndny02...

>>> forty-nine wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Must be my hardware...ubuntu knows quality when it sees it...and self

>>>> fails

>>>

>>> Your problem is a need to be noticed, so you make provocative posts

>>> hoping to get some attention, even if some of that is predictably

>>> negative.

>>> You shouldn't be doing that, it clutters things up and obscures the more

>>> meaningful posts. You're much more likely to get words of comfort from

>>> you wife than from us, so try that and stop bothering us.

>>> Dave Cohen

>>

>>

>> No I don't.

>> Show me a post where I criticize on actual Vista user.

>> I troll the Trolls.

>> It's a vicious cycle.

>

> Well let me add to what is wrong with Vista. A tale of frame rates!

> World of War Craft has some tears in the screen and shudders in Vista with

> a max frame rate of 30fps. (Runs on XP or Linux@ 58fps)

>

> Call of Duty 4 Fails to run correctly in Vista with Nvidia graphics

> drivers. Max frame rate 45 with an 8800gtx card with 768meg of ddr3.

> (Runs on XP or Linux@ 60fps)

>

> Half Life Counter Strike is one of the worst at 42fps on a 512meg card but

> you can only run 640x480 mode. That sucks!!!

> (Runs on XP or Linux 1024x768 mode @ 72fps all day long)

>

> Windows Vista needs 4 GIG to work any of these games so they are even

> playable. Where as XP and Linux will run flawless on on only 2 GIG of

> memory. I won't mention Sof3 and Crysis, the newest games out. A friend of

> mine had to barrow an XP box just to play them.

>

> The standard Windows Vista Program Compatibility assistant response is:

> "This driver is blocked due to compatibility issues"

> I have yet to see that in Linux.

 

 

I don't doubt you have these game issues in Vista....that's why I dual boot

XP.

I tried GRAW in Vista...once.

Haven't tried it since.

I have 2 DX9 6800's ... plays great in XP !

Gaming and Vista is 2 years away, I would venture to guess.

"John Adams" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

news:fyg7j.76444$ys5.68946@fe03.news.easynews.com...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> UAC does nothing to control me or my computer.

>> But UAC gives more control to the user.

>>

>> With former versions of Windows, some malware could start and do its

>> thing without the user knowing.

>> With UAC, the user is notified and thus has more control.

>>

>> I see UAC quite a bit as I am setting up a computer with Windows Vista.

>> However once the computer is setup and configured, UAC is rarely seen by

>> most.

>>

>> If you are seeing UAC a lot, either you not a typical user or you have

>> older/poorly written programs.

>> Or perhaps you are clicking through malware and giving it access.

>>

>> If UAC is controlling you or your computer, perhaps you need to change

>> some of the UAC settings.

>>

> Or perhaps UAC is so stupid that it asks for permission to do a simple

> thing like move a shortcut around in the start menu.

 

 

How do you get it to do that? your system must be . . . special?

 

Ray

In article <MVm7j.57$FR6.1@newsfe02.lga>, Bman <bjjl@charter.net> wrote:

>

>The standard Windows Vista Program Compatibility assistant response is:

>"This driver is blocked due to compatibility issues"

>I have yet to see that in Linux.

 

 

Well, ok, here ya go... Although I'm not sure why you'd want to see

that message at all never mind in linux...

 

export rnumber=$((RANDOM%`/sbin/lsmod|wc -l`+1))export driver=`/sbin/lsmod| awk "{if(NR==$rnumber) print \\$1}"`echo "The $driver driver is blocked due to compatibility issues"

 

I guess you could put it in cron or something...

John Adams wrote:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> UAC does nothing to control me or my computer.

>> But UAC gives more control to the user.

>>

>> With former versions of Windows, some malware could start and do its

>> thing without the user knowing.

>> With UAC, the user is notified and thus has more control.

>>

>> I see UAC quite a bit as I am setting up a computer with Windows Vista.

>> However once the computer is setup and configured, UAC is rarely seen

>> by most.

>>

>> If you are seeing UAC a lot, either you not a typical user or you have

>> older/poorly written programs.

Not necessarily! I have newer programs to monitor and

correct registry settings, which is written for vista and

xp. UAC comes up for this application. While older

applications will launch with a nagger, some newer tool

class applications also require clearance.

>> Or perhaps you are clicking through malware and giving it access.

>>

>> If UAC is controlling you or your computer, perhaps you need to change

>> some of the UAC settings.

>>

> Or perhaps UAC is so stupid that it asks for permission to do a simple

> thing like move a shortcut around in the start menu. For once the Mac

> commercials are correct. Ubuntu has forced limited user account too but

> it is no where near as annoying about it. Admit it, Vista was made for

> computer dummies and not power users.

 

 

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Those tools may separate you from the typical user I referred or they

may be poorly written.

If you see UAC a lot with those tools, one or both is true.

 

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"Lester Stiefel" <les7954@verizon.net> wrote in message

news:475F2338.1050203@verizon.net...

> Not necessarily! I have newer programs to monitor and correct

> registry settings, which is written for vista and xp. UAC comes up

> for this application. While older applications will launch with a

> nagger, some newer tool class applications also require clearance.

VPN and DNS issues.

We have to re-configure and update our servers for Vista to recognize UNC paths?

XP connects solid,No tweaks, Vista can never resolve the server addresses with DNS errors.

Manually setting the primary and secondary DNS didn't solve the problems either.

Killed home office productivity.

 

I think motherboard manufacturers could have something to do with the IE7, & Media Player crashes.

Vista compatible claims are claims and not necessarily truths.

I had many problems and my motherboard even though it passed its own diagnostics.

No overclocking, no off brand components, plenty of quality power.

Forced me through 3 activations and blue screens, then just up and died.

Nothing ever pointed to the real cause.

Vista is new, hard to tell exactly what is the failure point, so the OS was my suspicion as well.

 

Losing hotmail/live email account functionality from the base package email client.

I just found this a fairly low quality service issue.

New flagship OS and it cant connect or the connection kept changing in configuration with Vista for a Microsoft product email account.

Just didn't do much for consumer confidence at all.

 

The registration system is improving since last February.

Since an activation code is text based rather than a spoken phrase,

it would be much easier to have a text based client for the Technician as well as the Client to receive it as such.

That is fine if you want to hear someone's voice on the other end, just please take the interpretation out of it.

Make it so easy a cave man can do it =)

I spoke to one tech who had been working 18 hour shifts on activations.

I wished him a "Happy Holidays", honestly I can't imagine the hell that poor guy faced from some disgruntled calls though.

Text based clients are something Microsoft is very familiar with.

Might be beneficial to your clients as well as your employees to consider an option of actually using it.

The implementation could easily bring a less stressful means for handling things, not to mention more efficient.

 

Last but hardly least, giving Administrative Rights to a program.......................

The process, not so bad, good in many cases.

The actual use?

Please quit making us repeat ourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Give us an interface to disable those warnings for specific programs we use on a steady basis.

I pray this happens with SP1 it would show a genuine effort to please the users.

 

Happy Holidays!!

 

 

 

"James Matthews" <jamesmatt18@gmail.com> wrote in message news:90877E5C-BD81-47DA-A8C8-498E9EB19431@microsoft.com...

hi,

 

I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

 

Anyways I wanted to hear what issues people had with vista and how we can

resolve them!

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

James

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What is good about Linux? I do not want to be facetious, it is just a

question. I need some way out of my ignorance.

 

My totally uneducated opinion since I've never tried it but may one day

because I have a project, it that it is hacker free only because it holds a

tiny sector of the market, just over 0.5%. I saw a contrarian's figure

sometime in this forum that was much, much higher but that figure was

totally inflated.

 

Again, my question is: Is Linux safe only because nobody bothers writing

malware for it?

 

Thanks.

 

"Man-wai Chang ToDie" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:OZqeRvKNIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Um, XP has that too. I've got a better solution. Use Windows as the toy

>> OS it was meant to be for running games etc. and use Linux for everything

>> else.

>

> All Linux is need are games to really make it more popular :)

>

> --

> @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY.

> / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you!

> /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) Linux 2.6.23.9

> ^ ^ 14:22:01 up 1 day 2:35 1 user load average: 1.26 1.58 1.57

> ? ? (CSSA):

> http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa/

alexB wrote:

> What is good about Linux? I do not want to be facetious, it is just a

> question. I need some way out of my ignorance.

>

> My totally uneducated opinion since I've never tried it but may one day

> because I have a project, it that it is hacker free only because it

> holds a tiny sector of the market, just over 0.5%. I saw a contrarian's

> figure sometime in this forum that was much, much higher but that figure

> was totally inflated.

>

> Again, my question is: Is Linux safe only because nobody bothers writing

> malware for it?

>

> Thanks.

 

Go to http://www.ubuntu.com and either download it and burn it to a CD or order

the CD. Then, install it and judge for yourself.

 

Alias

>

> "Man-wai Chang ToDie" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OZqeRvKNIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Um, XP has that too. I've got a better solution. Use Windows as the

>>> toy OS it was meant to be for running games etc. and use Linux for

>>> everything else.

>>

>> All Linux is need are games to really make it more popular :)

>>

>> --

>> @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY.

>> / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you!

>> /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) Linux 2.6.23.9

>> ^ ^ 14:22:01 up 1 day 2:35 1 user load average: 1.26 1.58 1.57

>> ? ? (CSSA):

>> http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa/

>

Nobody used to bother to write malware for it, but these days much malware

is being written platform independent. And some is targeted at applications

on your system while others are written specifically for the operating

system, both Windows and Linux/Unix.

 

Security cannot rely entirely on a choice of operating system, but also a

choice of operating style and realistic use of protective software and

hardware. Remember nearly 50% of the websites that have been compromised are

running Unix/Linux.

 

These days most malware comes from such sites rather than email which is

rapidly moving to con games that are euphemized as "social engineering."

It's not social, and darn little engineering is involved other than the con

itself. Their goal is to get you to those sites.

 

 

"alexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:O8zuG8LSIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> What is good about Linux? I do not want to be facetious, it is just a

> question. I need some way out of my ignorance.

>

> My totally uneducated opinion since I've never tried it but may one day

> because I have a project, it that it is hacker free only because it holds

> a tiny sector of the market, just over 0.5%. I saw a contrarian's figure

> sometime in this forum that was much, much higher but that figure was

> totally inflated.

>

> Again, my question is: Is Linux safe only because nobody bothers writing

> malware for it?

>

> Thanks.

>

> "Man-wai Chang ToDie" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OZqeRvKNIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Um, XP has that too. I've got a better solution. Use Windows as the toy

>>> OS it was meant to be for running games etc. and use Linux for

>>> everything else.

>>

>> All Linux is need are games to really make it more popular :)

>>

>> --

>> @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY.

>> / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you!

>> /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 7.04) Linux 2.6.23.9

>> ^ ^ 14:22:01 up 1 day 2:35 1 user load average: 1.26 1.58 1.57

>> ? ? (CSSA):

>> http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa/

>

alexB wrote:

> What is good about Linux? I do not want to be facetious, it is just a

> question. I need some way out of my ignorance.

>

> My totally uneducated opinion since I've never tried it but may one day

> because I have a project, it that it is hacker free only because it

> holds a tiny sector of the market, just over 0.5%. I saw a contrarian's

> figure sometime in this forum that was much, much higher but that figure

> was totally inflated.

>

> Again, my question is: Is Linux safe only because nobody bothers writing

> malware for it?

>

> Thanks.

>

Well it's not as big a target because so few actually use it for desktop

application.

But just ask yourself one question...what does open source really imply?

If it were really popular and in general use it would then become a real

target for malware.

Frank

In article <#fUzciMSIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

Frank <fb@nomas.cnn> wrote:

>But just ask yourself one question...what does open source really imply?

>If it were really popular and in general use it would then become a real

>target for malware.

>Frank

 

That's a non sequitur. Exploits depend on errors in the code.

Open source does not correlate with errors in the code in fact, open

source code often (usually) has fewer errors and errors are fixed more

quickly precisely because the internals are open to examination.

 

Most of the apache-based web site compromises are due to people

not keeping up with patches. That's as much of an error in Linux as

it is in Windows.

That's what I thought. You both just confirmed my opinion.

 

I've considered Linux for a very specific purpose.I may need to set up a LAN

with no access to the Internet at all with bare bone OS but with very high

computational and graphics capabilities. I want to eliminate as much

overhead as possible. I want it to be lean. I need to compute some special

functions, get inputs from digital sensors like VT cameras and display the

computational results as 3D graphics.

 

I was actually thinking about an OS like Win98 or similar or perhaps Linux.

 

If anyone has any ideas. This is just a fantasy at this point but one day I

will definitely get it started.

 

Thanks.

 

"Frank" <fb@nomas.cnn> wrote in message

news:%23fUzciMSIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

> Well it's not as big a target because so few actually use it for desktop

> application.

> But just ask yourself one question...what does open source really imply?

> If it were really popular and in general use it would then become a real

> target for malware.

> Frank

Well for starters be careful of your encoding.

MPEG-4 is no longer with Vista.

 

"alexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message news:eU9mD%23MSIHA.5016@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

That's what I thought. You both just confirmed my opinion.

 

I've considered Linux for a very specific purpose.I may need to set up a LAN

with no access to the Internet at all with bare bone OS but with very high

computational and graphics capabilities. I want to eliminate as much

overhead as possible. I want it to be lean. I need to compute some special

functions, get inputs from digital sensors like VT cameras and display the

computational results as 3D graphics.

 

I was actually thinking about an OS like Win98 or similar or perhaps Linux.

 

If anyone has any ideas. This is just a fantasy at this point but one day I

will definitely get it started.

 

Thanks.

 

"Frank" <fb@nomas.cnn> wrote in message

news:%23fUzciMSIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

> Well it's not as big a target because so few actually use it for desktop

> application.

> But just ask yourself one question...what does open source really imply?

> If it were really popular and in general use it would then become a real

> target for malware.

> Frank

 

 

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Hardware compatibility is one key factor.

If your designing a system from the ground up, you are likely going to be budget conscious.

Also since video is involved be wary of the encoding platform you choose.

Most likely you want the most compliant across the board.

MPEG-4 is no longer part of Vista and caused an associates company a great deal of grief.

It's all getting so proprietary it is ruining the chance for real innovations.

Any argument otherwise would be one touting their own system dedications.

 

"alexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message news:eU9mD%23MSIHA.5016@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

That's what I thought. You both just confirmed my opinion.

 

I've considered Linux for a very specific purpose.I may need to set up a LAN

with no access to the Internet at all with bare bone OS but with very high

computational and graphics capabilities. I want to eliminate as much

overhead as possible. I want it to be lean. I need to compute some special

functions, get inputs from digital sensors like VT cameras and display the

computational results as 3D graphics.

 

I was actually thinking about an OS like Win98 or similar or perhaps Linux.

 

If anyone has any ideas. This is just a fantasy at this point but one day I

will definitely get it started.

 

Thanks.

 

"Frank" <fb@nomas.cnn> wrote in message

news:%23fUzciMSIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

> Well it's not as big a target because so few actually use it for desktop

> application.

> But just ask yourself one question...what does open source really imply?

> If it were really popular and in general use it would then become a real

> target for malware.

> Frank

 

 

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Vigilante aka ARS_Komachi

alexB wrote:

> What is good about Linux? I do not want to be facetious, it is just a

> question. I need some way out of my ignorance.

>

> My totally uneducated opinion since I've never tried it but may one day

> because I have a project, it that it is hacker free only because it

> holds a tiny sector of the market, just over 0.5%. I saw a contrarian's

> figure sometime in this forum that was much, much higher but that figure

> was totally inflated.

>

> Again, my question is: Is Linux safe only because nobody bothers writing

> malware for it?

 

The short life and hard times of a Linux virus

http://librenix.com/?inode=21

 

+ it's quite a bonus not having to cross post to several groups to get

help -)

If you are talking to me or about me I am absolutely NEVER do it. It is not

a bonus, it is my style because I despise people who do it.

> + it's quite a bonus not having to cross post to several groups to get

> help -)

the program is horrible, it take for ever eith that little cicrle, and

something is always running, My verizon security in not compatible and not

working, can not

login on to my verizon .net

 

"James Matthews" wrote:

> hi,

>

> I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

> Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

> who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

>

> Anyways I wanted to hear what issues people had with vista and how we can

> resolve them!

>

>

>

>

>

> Thanks

> James

> --

>

> http://search.goldwatches.com/?Search=Movado+Watches

> http://www.goldwatches.com/

> http://www.jewelerslounge.com/

>

Have you verified with Horizon if they have a compatible version?

Have you asked Horizon about logon issues?

Horizon should be able to solve at least part of your problems.

 

If you have other problems, start a new thread in an appropriate

newsgroup and give details such as Clean Install of Windows Vista or

upgrade.

If upgrade, did you verify compatibility of all hardware and software

before beginning?

Hardware and software specifics.

Etc.

 

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

 

"teeat" <teeat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:59661DCF-6B83-4697-9B3E-EC6559DE25E1@microsoft.com...

> the program is horrible, it take for ever eith that little cicrle,

> and

> something is always running, My verizon security in not compatible

> and not

> working, can not

> login on to my verizon .net

Hey Jupiter... :) It's Verizon. :)

 

Horizon does the flying, Verizon... Well... They have good fiber service! :)

 

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dharper@vistarip.com

http://www.vistarip.com

 

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

news:ekg6RE3SIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Have you verified with Horizon if they have a compatible version?

> Have you asked Horizon about logon issues?

> Horizon should be able to solve at least part of your problems.

>

> If you have other problems, start a new thread in an appropriate newsgroup

> and give details such as Clean Install of Windows Vista or upgrade.

> If upgrade, did you verify compatibility of all hardware and software

> before beginning?

> Hardware and software specifics.

> Etc.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

>

>

>

> "teeat" <teeat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:59661DCF-6B83-4697-9B3E-EC6559DE25E1@microsoft.com...

>> the program is horrible, it take for ever eith that little cicrle, and

>> something is always running, My verizon security in not compatible and

>> not

>> working, can not

>> login on to my verizon .net

>

Dustin

Yea, another not so little misspelling.

But I think the message is still clear enough.

Thank you for reminding me.

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"Dustin Harper" <dharper@vistarip.com> wrote in message

news:%23PQctJ3SIHA.4104@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Hey Jupiter... :) It's Verizon. :)

>

> Horizon does the flying, Verizon... Well... They have good fiber

> service! :)

>

> --

> Dustin Harper

> dharper@vistarip.com

> http://www.vistarip.com

Just wait until Vienna comes out. The same people will be whining they want

Vista back and they hate Vienna.

 

If those guys enjoy XP so much they should play with it and shut up, go to

the XP group. XP is a distant memory for me already.

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

news:6570F601-4490-491C-B57F-71D84785B311@microsoft.com...

> John

> "Funny that Microsoft didn't give us all the same good advice"

> It depends on where you look.

> That and similar advice has been in these and other newsgroups for years

> referring to various operating systems.

> Also very similar to 6 years ago at the release of Windows XP.

>

> The Upgrade Advisor probably identifies some or more of your incompatible

> programs.

> Of course as the name suggests, it is an advisor and no more.

> The program manufacturers will also identify their compatible programs.

> What did the Upgrade Advisor tell you before you started?

> What did the program manufacturers tell you when you asked?

>

> "I have no real need for Vista at all."

> Return Windows Vista, easy within 45 days in North America.

> Other regions may have different policies.

> I certainly would not keep a product that "I have no real need for".

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

>

>

> "John Adams" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

> news:aT26j.13791$YU.13372@fe06.news.easynews.com...

>> Funny that Microsoft didn't give us all the same good advice when they

>> were hawking Vista. Why is that? And I did go back to XP. Vista I put on

>> a secondary PC and use it for paying bills and digital imaging and

>> nothing else. Between Linux and XP I have no real need for Vista at all.

>> Nor does anyone else for that matter.

>