On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:15:19 -0700, Bruce Chambers

<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>> All Linux is need are games to really make it more popular :)

>>

>

>

> But Ubuntu already ships with literally dozens of screen-savers and a

>quite a few simple games it can't be used for much else.

>

Oh ho! Flame war on!

> But Ubuntu already ships with literally dozens of screen-savers and

> a quite a few simple games it can't be used for much else.

 

Not DirectX games... :)

 

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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:35:27 GMT, John Adams <no@email.invalid> wrote:

>>

>> Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

>

>Yea, the onus is on Microsoft to make their OS compatible with the apps

>we use. If I wanted a completely different incompatible OS I would have

>bought a Mac.

 

So, by your logic, all new OS's must be DOS 2 compatable.

 

I heard all the same whining and crying when Win XP came out.

Everyone declared they were staying with W2K or W98 or whatever. But

they didn't, did they?

 

Either there'll be new versions of your software or you'll find

something to replace it.

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> If so many of your programs do not work, perhaps it is best if you stay

> with Windows XP or as you suggest, purchase a Mac.

>

 

Funny that Microsoft didn't give us all the same good advice when they

were hawking Vista. Why is that? And I did go back to XP. Vista I put on

a secondary PC and use it for paying bills and digital imaging and

nothing else. Between Linux and XP I have no real need for Vista at all.

Nor does anyone else for that matter.

John

"Funny that Microsoft didn't give us all the same good advice"

It depends on where you look.

That and similar advice has been in these and other newsgroups for

years referring to various operating systems.

Also very similar to 6 years ago at the release of Windows XP.

 

The Upgrade Advisor probably identifies some or more of your

incompatible programs.

Of course as the name suggests, it is an advisor and no more.

The program manufacturers will also identify their compatible

programs.

What did the Upgrade Advisor tell you before you started?

What did the program manufacturers tell you when you asked?

 

"I have no real need for Vista at all."

Return Windows Vista, easy within 45 days in North America.

Other regions may have different policies.

I certainly would not keep a product that "I have no real need for".

 

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"John Adams" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

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> Funny that Microsoft didn't give us all the same good advice when

> they were hawking Vista. Why is that? And I did go back to XP. Vista

> I put on a secondary PC and use it for paying bills and digital

> imaging and nothing else. Between Linux and XP I have no real need

> for Vista at all. Nor does anyone else for that matter.

Well now, you are certainly in no position to speak for "anyone else," let

alone for me. I get along fine with Vista, but I never expected it to work

with everything I already had, and it's always like that. When you adopted

Linux, did all your software run with it, or did you have to change. I am

delighted with Vista. I had thought, when my Win98SE machine when up in

smoke that I would switch to Linux with my new one. It came with Vista

installed, and it runs Kubuntu just fine, but there has never been a reason

to switch.

 

I am sorry you are unhappy discovering that Vista isn't XP! It was never

meant to be...

 

 

 

"John Adams" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

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> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>

>> If so many of your programs do not work, perhaps it is best if you stay

>> with Windows XP or as you suggest, purchase a Mac.

>>

>

> Funny that Microsoft didn't give us all the same good advice when they

> were hawking Vista. Why is that? And I did go back to XP. Vista I put on a

> secondary PC and use it for paying bills and digital imaging and nothing

> else. Between Linux and XP I have no real need for Vista at all. Nor does

> anyone else for that matter.

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "I have no real need for Vista at all."

> Return Windows Vista, easy within 45 days in North America.

> Other regions may have different policies.

> I certainly would not keep a product that "I have no real need for".

>

 

I didn't pay for it so it is no sweat off my back. It's just a toy to

tinker with. I use Linux for the internet so don't need Vista

baby-sitting me and on Linux I don't need to run ten different security

programs all eating up resources either.

Wandering wrote:

> I am sorry you are unhappy discovering that Vista isn't XP! It was never

> meant to be...

 

With a game library running in the thousands of dollars why would

Microsoft even think we wouldn't mind giving up compatibility? The

dumbasses should have just built a better XP and given up on their idea

of controlling the masses with an OS that baby-sits every move you make.

They would have made a lot more money doing it that way.

Nothing

 

Google "theres-nothing-wrong-with-windows"

get:

http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/11/10/theres-nothing-wrong-with-windows-vista/

 

 

"James Matthews" <jamesmatt18@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> hi,

>

> I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

> Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

> who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

>

> Anyways I wanted to hear what issues people had with vista and how we can

> resolve them!

>

>

>

>

>

> Thanks

> James

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"should have just built a better XP"

Are you under the mistaken belief development on Windows XP has

stopped?

Not at all.

Patches and updates will continue to be developed for at least a few

more years.

The upcoming release of Service Pack 3 is a small part of that.

 

There is no controlling or babysitting done by Windows Vista although

some of the critics would have you believe it.

Like a lot of what critics say, much is little more than FUD.

 

Since Windows XP will be supported for at least a few more years,

there is no reason for anyone to upgrade as long as Windows XP does

what it needs to do.

 

Windows Vista works well on two older computers of mine.

 

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"John Adams" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

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> Wandering wrote:

>

>> I am sorry you are unhappy discovering that Vista isn't XP! It was

>> never meant to be...

>

> With a game library running in the thousands of dollars why would

> Microsoft even think we wouldn't mind giving up compatibility? The

> dumbasses should have just built a better XP and given up on their

> idea of controlling the masses with an OS that baby-sits every move

> you make. They would have made a lot more money doing it that way.

"Man-wai Chang ToDie" wrote:

> Man-wai Chang ToDie wrote:

> >> Anyways I wanted to hear what issues people had with vista and how we

> >> can resolve them!

> >

> > You talking about 64-bit Vi$ta?

> >

>

> 32-bit Vi$ta? Forget it... 32-bit XP is what all users always want.

Wrong

don't you just love people that speak for everyone?

>

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"John Adams" wrote:

> Paul Knudsen wrote:

> >

> >

> > Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

>

> Yea, the onus is on Microsoft to make their OS compatible with the apps

> we use. If I wanted a completely different incompatible OS I would have

> bought a Mac.

 

Come on there are millions of apps for Windows and millions of programmers

writing apps for Windows . Some follow the rule and some don't, guess which

one break when a new OS id released. Sorry but that's not MS fault and it is

impossible to check them all.

>

"John Adams" wrote:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>

> > If so many of your programs do not work, perhaps it is best if you stay

> > with Windows XP or as you suggest, purchase a Mac.

> >

>

> Funny that Microsoft didn't give us all the same good advice when they

> were hawking Vista. Why is that? And I did go back to XP. Vista I put on

> a secondary PC and use it for paying bills and digital imaging and

> nothing else. Between Linux and XP I have no real need for Vista at all.

> Nor does anyone else for that matter.

>

1. stop speaking for everyone

2. With Vista I don't need XP and linux or any combination of the two. I

only need Vista

3. You're a dumb ass.

"Bruce Chambers" wrote:

> Paul Knudsen wrote:

> > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:31 +0100, "James Matthews"

> > <jamesmatt18@gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> >> I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

> >> Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

> >> who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

> >

> > Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

>

>

> That's true enough, but those same companies had years in which to get

> their products ready for Vista, didn't they? It's not as if Vista was

> developed at some super secret laboratory and sprung on the world all at

> once.

>

But that''s not MS fault now is it?

>

> --

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>

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>

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>

> Many people would rather die than think in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

>

> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

> killed a great many philosophers.

> ~ Denis Diderot

>

It's pretty obvious that Denis Diderot has never troubled himself to read

history.

 

 

"bp" <bp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> "Bruce Chambers" wrote:

>

>> Paul Knudsen wrote:

>> > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:31 +0100, "James Matthews"

>> > <jamesmatt18@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >

>> >> I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

>> >> Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well

>> >> guess

>> >> who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

>> >

>> > Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

>>

>>

>> That's true enough, but those same companies had years in which to get

>> their products ready for Vista, didn't they? It's not as if Vista was

>> developed at some super secret laboratory and sprung on the world all at

>> once.

>>

> But that''s not MS fault now is it?

>

>>

>> --

>>

>> Bruce Chambers

>>

>> Help us help you:

>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

>>

>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

>>

>> Many people would rather die than think in fact, most do. ~Bertrand

>> Russell

>>

>> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

>> killed a great many philosophers.

>> ~ Denis Diderot

>>

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "should have just built a better XP"

> Are you under the mistaken belief development on Windows XP has stopped?

> Not at all.

> Patches and updates will continue to be developed for at least a few

> more years.

> The upcoming release of Service Pack 3 is a small part of that.

 

Only because WE demanded it! Microsoft tried to kill off XP and shove

Vista down our throats so don't BS me, sycophant.

bp wrote:

> 1. stop speaking for everyone

> 2. With Vista I don't need XP and linux or any combination of the two. I

> only need Vista

> 3. You're a dumb ass.

 

You're just a part of 3% of computer users so I do speak for the

majority, moron.

bp wrote:

> But that''s not MS fault now is it?

 

Yes, it is. Microsoft should have been making sure 3rd party developers

followed proper conventions years ago and not doing it after the fact.

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "should have just built a better XP"

> Are you under the mistaken belief development on Windows XP has stopped?

> Not at all.

> Patches and updates will continue to be developed for at least a few

> more years.

> The upcoming release of Service Pack 3 is a small part of that.

>

> There is no controlling or babysitting done by Windows Vista although

 

UAC

> some of the critics would have you believe it.

> Like a lot of what critics say, much is little more than FUD.

>

> Since Windows XP will be supported for at least a few more years, there

> is no reason for anyone to upgrade as long as Windows XP does what it

> needs to do.

>

> Windows Vista works well on two older computers of mine.

>

 

 

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>

> We already know that you think being inhumane is the right thing to do.

> You prove it with almost every one of your posts.

>

> Got any more insults you would like Google to archive for your grand

> kids to read?

>

> Alias

 

come on alias, do you think that more than 90% of users and companys

in the world would use Windows, when Ubuntu where so much better?

realy? do you think, that 90% are not so clever then you?

 

you don't need regulary updates for ubuntu? you think there are no

viruses, backdoors and security holes on your system without updates?

great.. i know now a new machine, very easy to hack and use for bad

things!

 

everything on ubuntu is for free? realy? great, but what is with the

support? for free? who is paying the next revision of your "free"

software? who is paying your monthly salary?

 

alias, wake up! welcome to the real world!

Martin Volkart wrote:

>> We already know that you think being inhumane is the right thing to do.

>> You prove it with almost every one of your posts.

>>

>> Got any more insults you would like Google to archive for your grand

>> kids to read?

>>

>> Alias

>

> come on alias, do you think that more than 90% of users and companys

> in the world would use Windows, when Ubuntu where so much better?

> realy? do you think, that 90% are not so clever then you?

 

Not a matter of cleverness. I can see you know nothing of MS history and

how they strong arm OEMs to promote Windows.

>

> you don't need regulary updates for ubuntu? you think there are no

> viruses, backdoors and security holes on your system without updates?

> great.. i know now a new machine, very easy to hack and use for bad

> things!

 

Not sure what you mean but if one only installs apps from the repo,

there is no danger of getting compromised.

>

> everything on ubuntu is for free? realy? great, but what is with the

> support? for free? who is paying the next revision of your "free"

> software?

 

The Open Source programmers, of course.

> who is paying your monthly salary?

 

As I own my own businesses, *I* pay my own salary.

> alias, wake up! welcome to the real world!

 

I think you're the one who needs to wake up, not I.

 

Alias

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fjgp1s$g01$1@aioe.org...

> Martin Volkart wrote:

>>> We already know that you think being inhumane is the right thing to do.

>>> You prove it with almost every one of your posts.

>>>

>>> Got any more insults you would like Google to archive for your grand

>>> kids to read?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> come on alias, do you think that more than 90% of users and companys

>> in the world would use Windows, when Ubuntu where so much better?

>> realy? do you think, that 90% are not so clever then you?

>

> Not a matter of cleverness. I can see you know nothing of MS history and

> how they strong arm OEMs to promote Windows.

>

>>

>> you don't need regulary updates for ubuntu? you think there are no

>> viruses, backdoors and security holes on your system without updates?

>> great.. i know now a new machine, very easy to hack and use for bad

>> things!

>

> Not sure what you mean but if one only installs apps from the repo,

> there is no danger of getting compromised.

>

>>

>> everything on ubuntu is for free? realy? great, but what is with the

>> support? for free? who is paying the next revision of your "free"

>> software?

>

> The Open Source programmers, of course.

>

>> who is paying your monthly salary?

>

> As I own my own businesses, *I* pay my own salary.

>

>> alias, wake up! welcome to the real world!

>

> I think you're the one who needs to wake up, not I.

>

> Alias

 

 

Alias believes open source should be free for everyone !

Except his clients !

forty-nine wrote:

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fjgp1s$g01$1@aioe.org...

>> Martin Volkart wrote:

>>>> We already know that you think being inhumane is the right thing to do.

>>>> You prove it with almost every one of your posts.

>>>>

>>>> Got any more insults you would like Google to archive for your grand

>>>> kids to read?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> come on alias, do you think that more than 90% of users and companys

>>> in the world would use Windows, when Ubuntu where so much better?

>>> realy? do you think, that 90% are not so clever then you?

>>

>> Not a matter of cleverness. I can see you know nothing of MS history

>> and how they strong arm OEMs to promote Windows.

>>

>>>

>>> you don't need regulary updates for ubuntu? you think there are no

>>> viruses, backdoors and security holes on your system without updates?

>>> great.. i know now a new machine, very easy to hack and use for bad

>>> things!

>>

>> Not sure what you mean but if one only installs apps from the repo,

>> there is no danger of getting compromised.

>>

>>>

>>> everything on ubuntu is for free? realy? great, but what is with the

>>> support? for free? who is paying the next revision of your "free"

>>> software?

>>

>> The Open Source programmers, of course.

>>

>>> who is paying your monthly salary?

>>

>> As I own my own businesses, *I* pay my own salary.

>>

>>> alias, wake up! welcome to the real world!

>>

>> I think you're the one who needs to wake up, not I.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> Alias believes open source should be free for everyone !

> Except his clients !

 

Liar.

 

Alias

See what happens? When you defeat their argument, they launch a personal

attack. "Ad hominem:" It is the weakest of all possible arguments and an

accepted proof of defeat.

 

 

"John Adams" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

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> bp wrote:

>

>> 1. stop speaking for everyone

>> 2. With Vista I don't need XP and linux or any combination of the two. I

>> only need Vista

>> 3. You're a dumb ass.

>

> You're just a part of 3% of computer users so I do speak for the majority,

> moron.

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fjgq5b$jsi$1@aioe.org...

> forty-nine wrote:

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fjgp1s$g01$1@aioe.org...

>>> Martin Volkart wrote:

>>>>> We already know that you think being inhumane is the right thing to

>>>>> do.

>>>>> You prove it with almost every one of your posts.

>>>>>

>>>>> Got any more insults you would like Google to archive for your grand

>>>>> kids to read?

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> come on alias, do you think that more than 90% of users and companys

>>>> in the world would use Windows, when Ubuntu where so much better?

>>>> realy? do you think, that 90% are not so clever then you?

>>>

>>> Not a matter of cleverness. I can see you know nothing of MS history and

>>> how they strong arm OEMs to promote Windows.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> you don't need regulary updates for ubuntu? you think there are no

>>>> viruses, backdoors and security holes on your system without updates?

>>>> great.. i know now a new machine, very easy to hack and use for bad

>>>> things!

>>>

>>> Not sure what you mean but if one only installs apps from the repo,

>>> there is no danger of getting compromised.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> everything on ubuntu is for free? realy? great, but what is with the

>>>> support? for free? who is paying the next revision of your "free"

>>>> software?

>>>

>>> The Open Source programmers, of course.

>>>

>>>> who is paying your monthly salary?

>>>

>>> As I own my own businesses, *I* pay my own salary.

>>>

>>>> alias, wake up! welcome to the real world!

>>>

>>> I think you're the one who needs to wake up, not I.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Alias believes open source should be free for everyone !

>> Except his clients !

>

> Liar.

>

> Alias

 

 

No, really ...its smart business.

You get to sell as many copies of ubuntu as you want, and nobody makes a

dime except you.

And for future support...they got you (cha-ching) , seeing as there are few

linux support techs available.

Call it noble if you want...I smell capitalism !