James Matthews wrote:

> Lets look at the big issues with windows xp!

>

> 1. All code that is run can be run in Kernel mode (Ring 0) that is like

> leaving your front door open!

>

> In vista!

>

> You run as a limited user! Solved!!!

>

 

 

Except when Microsoft sneak updates in through the back door, same

problem as every, no?

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:31 +0100, "James Matthews"

<jamesmatt18@gmail.com> wrote:

>I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

>Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

>who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

 

Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

James Matthews wrote:

> Lets look at the big issues with windows xp!

>

> 1. All code that is run can be run in Kernel mode (Ring 0) that is like

> leaving your front door open!

>

> In vista!

>

> You run as a limited user! Solved!!!

>

Um, XP has that too. I've got a better solution. Use Windows as the toy

OS it was meant to be for running games etc. and use Linux for

everything else.

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Except when Microsoft sneak updates in through the back door, same

> problem as every, no?

 

Not to mention that Windows OS also has a back door for that US

government spy agency.

Paul Knudsen wrote:

>

>

> Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

 

Yea, the onus is on Microsoft to make their OS compatible with the apps

we use. If I wanted a completely different incompatible OS I would have

bought a Mac.

> Um, XP has that too. I've got a better solution. Use Windows as the toy

> OS it was meant to be for running games etc. and use Linux for

> everything else.

 

All Linux is need are games to really make it more popular :)

 

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John Adams wrote:

>

> ...Yea, the onus is on Microsoft to make their OS compatible with the apps

> we use....

 

Don't make me laugh.

You're trying to put the cart in front of the horse.

Won't work.

Frank

Windows Vista is compatible with a lot of older programs, but not all.

1005 backwards compatibility is not practical.

Many feel Microsoft should not consider backwards compatibility at

all.

If Microsoft had dome so, Windows Vista would be leaner but almost

nothing old would be compatible.

That group was disappointed as well as you.

Instead Microsoft took a middle ground.

They did what they felt best for their customers as far as backwards

compatibility.

Microsoft drew the line.

Where would you suggest the line be drawn?

You should draw it at a point where no one can complain.

The line had to be drawn somewhere.

This is nothing new with Windows Vista, it happens whenever there is a

new operating system.

 

If so many of your programs do not work, perhaps it is best if you

stay with Windows XP or as you suggest, purchase a Mac.

 

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"John Adams" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

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> Yea, the onus is on Microsoft to make their OS compatible with the

> apps we use. If I wanted a completely different incompatible OS I

> would have bought a Mac.

Paul Knudsen wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:31 +0100, "James Matthews"

> <jamesmatt18@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

>> Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

>> who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

>

> Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

 

 

That's true enough, but those same companies had years in which to get

their products ready for Vista, didn't they? It's not as if Vista was

developed at some super secret laboratory and sprung on the world all at

once.

 

 

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John Adams wrote:

> Charlie Tame wrote:

>

>> Except when Microsoft sneak updates in through the back door, same

>> problem as every, no?

>

> Not to mention that Windows OS also has a back door for that US

> government spy agency.

 

 

Yeah, but given the degree of competence shown by such agencies in the

past should we worry, except of course for the chance of getting a free

vacation in Cuba because of what someone else did :)

 

Joking aside though if MS have the technology to sneak things in how

long before someone else gets it.

 

Going back to XP SP2 I made some CDs for friends etc and at the end of

the install it said something like The Activex control has disabled all

security, you should restart immediately...

 

Now don't take that as a quote but I recall thinking at the time what if

someone hacked out whatever does that and used it maliciously. At the

end of that install it seemed like you could do anything at all with the

machine, so presumably anything that could run in that context would do

so also.

 

Now that is probably also possible with Linux and anything else, but

worth remembering that we really have only checksums and certs to

protect us and sometimes MS don't seem to get around to signing their

own work, so when it says "Not signed, accept anyway?" people will.

John Adams wrote:

> Paul Knudsen wrote:

>>

>>

>> Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

>

> Yea, the onus is on Microsoft to make their OS compatible with the apps

> we use. If I wanted a completely different incompatible OS I would have

> bought a Mac.

 

 

Right, I think that is an impression that many people had, simply

because it has always been so and maybe a little because MS seem to have

tried to cultivate that impression, therefore what I see in a lot of

posts here is more "Disappointment" than real animosity.

 

Personally I feel that a number of MS recent actions tend to push people

away, which in combination are better than anything Linux / Mac

advocates could have done.

Man-wai Chang ToDie wrote:

>> Um, XP has that too. I've got a better solution. Use Windows as the

>> toy OS it was meant to be for running games etc. and use Linux for

>> everything else.

>

> All Linux is need are games to really make it more popular :)

>

 

 

But Ubuntu already ships with literally dozens of screen-savers and a

quite a few simple games it can't be used for much else.

 

 

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"John Adams" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

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> Yea, the onus is on Microsoft to make their OS compatible with the apps we

> use. If I wanted a completely different incompatible OS I would have

> bought a Mac.

 

LOL! That has to be the dumbest statement in this whole thread.

 

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You don't like when you get a surprise update that you have no idea what it

is! Now if you didn't trust Microsoft then you wouldn't use there OS! But

since you trust them what's the issue that you have with getting "Sneaky"

updates

 

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"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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> James Matthews wrote:

>> Lets look at the big issues with windows xp!

>>

>> 1. All code that is run can be run in Kernel mode (Ring 0) that is like

>> leaving your front door open!

>>

>> In vista!

>>

>> You run as a limited user! Solved!!!

>>

>

>

> Except when Microsoft sneak updates in through the back door, same problem

> as every, no?

>

LOL

 

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"wschlichtman" <wschlichtman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>I have to agree with the previous responses. Preparation is the key. If you

> still have a copy of the original XP laying around, load it up and

> install

> the same hardware/software you had with Windows 3.1 (and don't load any

> new

> drivers, etc.) Let's see if you have a different experience. I'm sure it

> was

> a similar experience.

>

> I'm sure the Leopard users would have similar issues, if they had enough

> knowledge to even try to keep any software/harware from their old systems.

>

> It's the nature of advancing the technology. I thank God there are

> problems.

> I am 2nd/3rd-level tech support and I feed a family with money from

> technology advancement. THANK YOU MICROSOFT! And you too, 3rd party

> vendors.

>

> "James Matthews" wrote:

>

>> hi,

>>

>> I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

>> Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

>> who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

>>

>> Anyways I wanted to hear what issues people had with vista and how we can

>> resolve them!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Thanks

>> James

>> --

>>

>> http://search.goldwatches.com/?Search=Movado+Watches

>> http://www.goldwatches.com/

>> http://www.jewelerslounge.com/

>>

>

In light of security concerns i don't agree with you! The way windows

security works is based on Tokens and i feel they have to secure some parts

of the OS

 

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"R10" <R10@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Let's not ever think that it should have been Microsoft's responsibility

> to

> ensure that hardware and/or programmes that worked just fine under Windows

> XP

> would not work under their 'new' Vista operating system.

>

> I have tried for 6 months to find resolves to issues with no success and

> have finally decided to contact my 'new' computer supplier and find out

> what

> is involved to get rid of Vista and run my 'new' computer with XP.

>

> The last straw was losing my one and only user id's ability to have

> Administator privileges required when I download one of Vista's updates.

>

> "James Matthews" wrote:

>

>> hi,

>>

>> I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

>> Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

>> who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

>>

>> Anyways I wanted to hear what issues people had with vista and how we can

>> resolve them!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Thanks

>> James

>> --

>>

>> http://search.goldwatches.com/?Search=Movado+Watches

>> http://www.goldwatches.com/

>> http://www.jewelerslounge.com/

>>

So apply an update!

 

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"Paul Knudsen" . wrote in message

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> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:31 +0100, "James Matthews"

> <jamesmatt18@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

>>Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

>>who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

>

> Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

>

They did! The "Guts" of the os are the same! Now some programs are so broken

that they barley work on windows XP (but they look like they do!) and on

vista they break!

 

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"John Adams" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

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> Paul Knudsen wrote:

>>

>>

>> Well...to be fair...Vista did not exist when the wrote it.

>

> Yea, the onus is on Microsoft to make their OS compatible with the apps we

> use. If I wanted a completely different incompatible OS I would have

> bought a Mac.

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Windows Vista is compatible with a lot of older programs, but not all.

> 1005 backwards compatibility is not practical.

> Many feel Microsoft should not consider backwards compatibility at all.

> If Microsoft had dome so, Windows Vista would be leaner but almost

> nothing old would be compatible.

> That group was disappointed as well as you.

> Instead Microsoft took a middle ground.

> They did what they felt best for their customers as far as backwards

> compatibility.

> Microsoft drew the line.

> Where would you suggest the line be drawn?

> You should draw it at a point where no one can complain.

> The line had to be drawn somewhere.

> This is nothing new with Windows Vista, it happens whenever there is a

> new operating system.

 

So improve XP instead of trotting out a "new" cash cow, a crippled "XP

II". Oh, that would benefit the consumer, not the big software and

hardware companies and we can't be having that, now can we?

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>

>> Windows Vista is compatible with a lot of older programs, but not all.

>> 1005 backwards compatibility is not practical.

>> Many feel Microsoft should not consider backwards compatibility at all.

>> If Microsoft had dome so, Windows Vista would be leaner but almost

>> nothing old would be compatible.

>> That group was disappointed as well as you.

>> Instead Microsoft took a middle ground.

>> They did what they felt best for their customers as far as backwards

>> compatibility.

>> Microsoft drew the line.

>> Where would you suggest the line be drawn?

>> You should draw it at a point where no one can complain.

>> The line had to be drawn somewhere.

>> This is nothing new with Windows Vista, it happens whenever there is a

>> new operating system.

>

>

> So improve XP instead of trotting out a "new" cash cow, a crippled "XP

> II". Oh, that would benefit the consumer, not the big software and

> hardware companies and we can't be having that, now can we?

>

> Alias

>

 

You're a commie mf aren't you?

Goes along with being an atheist and a lying linux loser.

Frank

On Nov 30, 7:35 am, "James Matthews" <jamesmat...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi,

>

> I just don't understand what people's problem with windows vista is!

> Everyone says it doesn't work with 3rd party applications.... well guess

> who's fault that is! The company that made the app!

>

> Anyways I wanted to hear what issues people had with vista and how we can

> resolve them!

>

 

Vista has run very well for me. I built a new system last spring and

put Vista Premium x64 on it. There have been a few issues, but it

turned out that the real issue was the 64-bit version of the OS, not

Vista itself. (In other words, the same programs won't run under XP

x64 either.) I know I could have switched to the 32-bit version, but I

really wanted to run a 64-bit OS on my 64-bit CPU. And besides, none

of my really GOOD stuff has failed to run anyway. (Hell, as long as

Civ3 runs, who needs anything else?!)

"Sneaky"

I think your question answers itself.

Updates should be transparent with the reason being clear or at least

easy to discover in advance.

Some updates, while there is reason, come down with little warning and

cause suspicion because there is little or no information until after

the fact.

People, particularly those security minded, need to know what is

happening to their computers before it happens.

This is particularly important in a business setting and more so when

clients information such as financial, health etc is involved.

It has little to do with trust and more to do with the necessity of

control with is often governed by other laws.

 

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"James Matthews" <jamesmatt18@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> You don't like when you get a surprise update that you have no idea

> what it is! Now if you didn't trust Microsoft then you wouldn't use

> there OS! But since you trust them what's the issue that you have

> with getting "Sneaky" updates

>

> --

>

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> http://www.goldwatches.com/

> http://www.jewelerslounge.com/

It seems you forget that development continues on Windows XP.

As is obvious by updates and Service Packs.

But those simple facts are ignored by you probably because it is

against you agenda.

 

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

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> So improve XP instead of trotting out a "new" cash cow, a crippled

> "XP II". Oh, that would benefit the consumer, not the big software

> and hardware companies and we can't be having that, now can we?

>

> Alias

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:13:49 -0800

Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

> Alias wrote:

> > Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> >

> >> Windows Vista is compatible with a lot of older programs, but not

> >> all. 1005 backwards compatibility is not practical.

> >> Many feel Microsoft should not consider backwards compatibility at

> >> all. If Microsoft had dome so, Windows Vista would be leaner but

> >> almost nothing old would be compatible.

> >> That group was disappointed as well as you.

> >> Instead Microsoft took a middle ground.

> >> They did what they felt best for their customers as far as

> >> backwards compatibility.

> >> Microsoft drew the line.

> >> Where would you suggest the line be drawn?

> >> You should draw it at a point where no one can complain.

> >> The line had to be drawn somewhere.

> >> This is nothing new with Windows Vista, it happens whenever there

> >> is a new operating system.

> >

> >

> > So improve XP instead of trotting out a "new" cash cow, a crippled

> > "XP II". Oh, that would benefit the consumer, not the big software

> > and hardware companies and we can't be having that, now can we?

> >

> > Alias

> >

>

> You're a commie mf aren't you?

 

Nope, I've never supported communism.

> Goes along with being an atheist and a lying linux loser.

> Frank

 

You have a vivid imagination and make up the craziest things that you

think are evil and your enemy. I feel sorry for you, Frank.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:13:49 -0800

> Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>>>Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Windows Vista is compatible with a lot of older programs, but not

>>>>all. 1005 backwards compatibility is not practical.

>>>>Many feel Microsoft should not consider backwards compatibility at

>>>>all. If Microsoft had dome so, Windows Vista would be leaner but

>>>>almost nothing old would be compatible.

>>>>That group was disappointed as well as you.

>>>>Instead Microsoft took a middle ground.

>>>>They did what they felt best for their customers as far as

>>>>backwards compatibility.

>>>>Microsoft drew the line.

>>>>Where would you suggest the line be drawn?

>>>>You should draw it at a point where no one can complain.

>>>>The line had to be drawn somewhere.

>>>>This is nothing new with Windows Vista, it happens whenever there

>>>>is a new operating system.

>>>

>>>

>>>So improve XP instead of trotting out a "new" cash cow, a crippled

>>>"XP II". Oh, that would benefit the consumer, not the big software

>>>and hardware companies and we can't be having that, now can we?

>>>

>>>Alias

>>>

>>

>>You're a commie mf aren't you?

>

>

> Nope, I've never supported communism.

>

>

>>Goes along with being an atheist and a lying linux loser.

>>Frank

>

>

> You have a vivid imagination and make up the craziest things that you

> think are evil and your enemy. I feel sorry for you, Frank.

>

> Alias

 

Oh I very much doubt that mr liar. You come in here as an admitted and

known liar and linux troll, complain about being insulted and then

proceed to trash Vista, MS and all their users.

And you think I'm out of line?

FUKK!!!

You are obviously not dealing with or are incapable of dealing with any

type of reality except that of other atheist and linux trolls.

I don't feel sorry for you one bit as you seem ready and willing to

shoot yourself in the foot on a daily basis.

I do feel sorry for the poor souls [sic] that have to put up with your

bullsh*t on a daily basis.

You are one sick puppy!

Frank