Brian W wrote:

>

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fil10h$qr2$3@aioe.org...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "roy69" <roy69.30qfs7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

>>> news:roy69.30qfs7@no-mx.forums.net...

>>>>

>>>> To cut a long story short. No it will not work. The only way to get an

>>>> OEM version of vista to work is to buy a OEM version from microsoft, or

>>>> a retailer that sells it. To qualify you have to buy hardware that

>>>> system builders would buy, like a motherboard.

>>>

>>> I think you will find there is no requirement to buy hardware to buy

>>> an OEM vista.

>>

>> Depends on the country. In Spain, you gotta buy it with a new computer

>> to get OEM. This is true for both XP and Vista and is a recent change

>> in Microsoft's policies.

>>

> Not in the UK though. In fact, Amazon.co.uk are selling them.

>

>

 

For now.

 

Alias

Paul Knudsen wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:02:09 -0000, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>> I think you will find there is no requirement to buy hardware to buy an OEM

>> vista.

>

> Or at most, a cable or the like.

 

Depends on the country.

 

Alias

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fil0qd$qr2$1@aioe.org...

> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fik57m$3ln$2@aioe.org...

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Where have you been living, under a rock? I repair computers part time

>>> and see pirated copies of XP and Office all the time. Personally, all my

>>> copies of all my software is legit but that won't stop the likes of you

>>> can Dennis@home to lie and state otherwise.

>>

>> Can you explain what you are trying to say there as I can't work it out?

>

> Maybe if you read what you snipped ...

 

That still does make the above make sense.

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Brian W wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:fik8rl$fgg$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I just changed the motherboard and video card on one of my

>>>>>>>>>>> PCs and Windows XP just merrily booted without any burps or

>>>>>>>>>>> demands for reactivation. Oops.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Must have been an almost identical chipset/BIOS/drive

>>>>>>>>>> controller or XP wouldn't have even booted (you'd get a BSOD,

>>>>>>>>>> let alone get as far as the WGA checks).

>>>>>>>>>> Such a board would not have enough different components to

>>>>>>>>>> trigger the re-activation, Vista is likely the same.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It was the exact same board :-) The video card and the NIC,

>>>>>>>>> however, were different.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Guess what...changing the video cards, adding memory or changing

>>>>>>>> nic's hasn't caused any of our Vista boxes to require reactivation.

>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I guess your sticking your head up Steve Ballmer's ass is paying

>>>>>>> off.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Better than having to kiss RS's hairy arse each and every day like

>>>>>> you do.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Never met the man and, again, Ubuntu needs no activation or

>>>>> becoming genuine but, being as you're too bloody stupid to install

>>>>> Ubuntu, you obviously think it's like Windows.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Liar! I've installed many distros over the years including ubuntu Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> No, you haven't, liar.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Oh of course I have.

>

>

> No, you haven't. You lie.

>

> Alias

 

Sorry mr liar, but you own that title. You're the free loader, the

atheist, the thief, the ex-patriot...you are the real liar. I've proly

loaded more linux distros than you have and I've got over 12 seats of Vista.

Sorry, but you know nothing.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Brian W wrote:

>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fil0lk$q6d$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> Brian W wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fik8rl$fgg$1@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I just changed the motherboard and video card on one of my PCs and

>>>>> Windows XP just merrily booted without any burps or demands for

>>>>> reactivation. Oops.

>>>>>

>>>> Must have been an almost identical chipset/BIOS/drive controller or

>>>> XP wouldn't have even booted (you'd get a BSOD, let alone get as far

>>>> as the WGA checks).

>>>> Such a board would not have enough different components to trigger

>>>> the re-activation, Vista is likely the same.

>>>>

>>>

>>> It was the exact same board :-) The video card and the NIC, however,

>>> were different.

>>

>>

>> You failed to mention that in your post (quoted at the top of this

>> one). Vista would likely pass a WGA check in this case as well.

>> Makes you appear even more clueless about WGA.

>>

>

> Um, the video card and the NIC will trigger WGA.

 

Bullsh*t! That is not always true.

 

Don't believe me? Try

> it and you'll see.

 

Already have.

 

That said, why should I have to educate myself on

> WGA?

 

Maybe cause you're just a fukkin liar with not experience?

 

Why should I have to prove, over and over again, that I paid for

> something?

 

You didn't, so stop worrying about it. Get lost. Go to where you

belong...the open sores ng's.

 

Why does WGA assume the user is guilty of theft and piracy

> until they prove otherwise?

 

It doesn't. That is simply a part of the FUD you must embrace in order

to be an accepted linux as*kissing POS.

Frank

>

> Alias

No - OEM versions are tied to the original PC installed.

--

Regards

Bob J

If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from

another source,post back & let us know.

Then we all benefit.

 

 

 

"unknown" wrote:

>

"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

news:umqg2ziMIHA.820@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> forty-nine wrote:

>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

>> news:ugXnrZiMIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> forty-nine wrote:

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fil0sg$qr2$2@aioe.org...

>>>>> Brian W wrote:

>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:fik5cj$3ln$4@aioe.org...

>>>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I suppose one way to stop piracy is to make the product so

>>>>>>>>> unusable that nobody wants it :)

>>>>>>>> That worked with Linux for years. -)

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Really? Pray tell, how can Linux be pirated? This should be good.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> It can't obviously, cos it's open source. I think he meant the bit

>>>>>> about it being unusable that no-one would want it.

>>>>>> It's interesting that people prefer to break the law to get a free

>>>>>> copy of Windows, rather than to legally use Linux which is free

>>>>>> anyway!

>>>>>>

>>>>> That's because they don't know any better and believe the FUD that

>>>>> Linux is only for geeks.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>> Yeah Right !

>>>> Its because Linux is useless.

>>>> Unless, all you need is a word processor PC.

>>>> Windows plays Crysis, and legally plays DVD's.

>>> Tell me again why my installation of kubuntu can't legally play dvds?

>>>

>>> --

>>> norm

>>

>> I didn't tell you the first time, sponge.

>> You would have to tell me how it can.

>> You didn't mention Crysis....you Linuts do know that "real" computers are

>> multimedia, right ?

>> People don't spend $2500 on boxex to type fast, ya know !

> Why would I want to mention crysis? Is it something everyone needs? Or

> wants? I asked the question about dvds. I can play dvds on kubuntu just

> fine. Tell me why it is illegal.

>

> --

> norm

 

 

Now...of course, if you are a freeloader, you CAN do what ever you want.

 

Ubuntu strives to make all software that meets the licensing terms in

theUbuntu License Policy available. However patent and copyright

restrictions complicate free operating systems distributing software to

support proprietary formats.

 

Ubuntu's commitment to only include completely free software by default

means that proprietary media formats are not configured 'out of the box'.

 

Ubuntu can play the most popular non-free media formats, including DVD, MP3,

Quicktime, Windows Media, and more by following the instructions below. If

this seems like unnecessary work, remember that Ubuntu is a distribution of

free software and these packages are (at least arguably) affected by patents

and license restrictions in some countries. Avoid formats suppressed by DRM

(Digital Rights Management, or Digital Restrictions Management), as they are

often unplayable.

 

See Ubuntu'sFree Software Philosophy and theFree Formats page for a more

comprehensive discussion of these issues.

 

a.. Legal Notice Patent and copyright laws operate differently depending

on which country you are in. Please obtain legal advice if you are unsure

whether a particular patent or restriction applies to a media format you

wish to use in your country.

"forty-nine" <49@linux.sux> wrote in message news:fintue$fjo$1@aioe.org...

> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

> news:umqg2ziMIHA.820@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> forty-nine wrote:

>>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

>>> news:ugXnrZiMIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> forty-nine wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fil0sg$qr2$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>> Brian W wrote:

>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fik5cj$3ln$4@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I suppose one way to stop piracy is to make the product so

>>>>>>>>>> unusable that nobody wants it :)

>>>>>>>>> That worked with Linux for years. -)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Really? Pray tell, how can Linux be pirated? This should be good.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It can't obviously, cos it's open source. I think he meant the bit

>>>>>>> about it being unusable that no-one would want it.

>>>>>>> It's interesting that people prefer to break the law to get a free

>>>>>>> copy of Windows, rather than to legally use Linux which is free

>>>>>>> anyway!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> That's because they don't know any better and believe the FUD that

>>>>>> Linux is only for geeks.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>> Yeah Right !

>>>>> Its because Linux is useless.

>>>>> Unless, all you need is a word processor PC.

>>>>> Windows plays Crysis, and legally plays DVD's.

>>>> Tell me again why my installation of kubuntu can't legally play dvds?

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> norm

>>>

>>> I didn't tell you the first time, sponge.

>>> You would have to tell me how it can.

>>> You didn't mention Crysis....you Linuts do know that "real" computers

>>> are multimedia, right ?

>>> People don't spend $2500 on boxex to type fast, ya know !

>> Why would I want to mention crysis? Is it something everyone needs? Or

>> wants? I asked the question about dvds. I can play dvds on kubuntu just

>> fine. Tell me why it is illegal.

>>

>> --

>> norm

>

>

> Now...of course, if you are a freeloader, you CAN do what ever you want.

>

> Ubuntu strives to make all software that meets the licensing terms in

> theUbuntu License Policy available. However patent and copyright

> restrictions complicate free operating systems distributing software to

> support proprietary formats.

>

> Ubuntu's commitment to only include completely free software by default

> means that proprietary media formats are not configured 'out of the box'.

>

> Ubuntu can play the most popular non-free media formats, including DVD,

> MP3, Quicktime, Windows Media, and more by following the instructions

> below. If this seems like unnecessary work, remember that Ubuntu is a

> distribution of free software and these packages are (at least arguably)

> affected by patents and license restrictions in some countries. Avoid

> formats suppressed by DRM (Digital Rights Management, or Digital

> Restrictions Management), as they are often unplayable.

>

> See Ubuntu'sFree Software Philosophy and theFree Formats page for a more

> comprehensive discussion of these issues.

>

> a.. Legal Notice Patent and copyright laws operate differently depending

> on which country you are in. Please obtain legal advice if you are unsure

> whether a particular patent or restriction applies to a media format you

> wish to use in your country.

>

>

>

 

 

Now, you can argue legality...I am no international law expert.

But I don't go thru all that crap with Vista

forty-nine wrote:

> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

> news:umqg2ziMIHA.820@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> forty-nine wrote:

>>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

>>> news:ugXnrZiMIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> forty-nine wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fil0sg$qr2$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>> Brian W wrote:

>>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fik5cj$3ln$4@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I suppose one way to stop piracy is to make the product so

>>>>>>>>>> unusable that nobody wants it :)

>>>>>>>>> That worked with Linux for years. -)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Really? Pray tell, how can Linux be pirated? This should be good.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It can't obviously, cos it's open source. I think he meant the

>>>>>>> bit about it being unusable that no-one would want it.

>>>>>>> It's interesting that people prefer to break the law to get a

>>>>>>> free copy of Windows, rather than to legally use Linux which is

>>>>>>> free anyway!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> That's because they don't know any better and believe the FUD that

>>>>>> Linux is only for geeks.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>> Yeah Right !

>>>>> Its because Linux is useless.

>>>>> Unless, all you need is a word processor PC.

>>>>> Windows plays Crysis, and legally plays DVD's.

>>>> Tell me again why my installation of kubuntu can't legally play dvds?

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> norm

>>>

>>> I didn't tell you the first time, sponge.

>>> You would have to tell me how it can.

>>> You didn't mention Crysis....you Linuts do know that "real" computers

>>> are multimedia, right ?

>>> People don't spend $2500 on boxex to type fast, ya know !

>> Why would I want to mention crysis? Is it something everyone needs? Or

>> wants? I asked the question about dvds. I can play dvds on kubuntu

>> just fine. Tell me why it is illegal.

>>

>> --

>> norm

>

>

> Now...of course, if you are a freeloader, you CAN do what ever you want.

It has nothing to do with freeloading. How can it be freeloading if I

have PAID for ANY dvd that might be in question? I understand the rest

of the issue in terms of licensing/drm. To be honest, I have no such

copy-protected dvds that I WANT/NEED to play under kubuntu, even though

the capability exists. Should a licensed player become available, I will

obtain it if I need to use it, but that will be my choice, not yours or

that of anyone else. The real issue with this whole exercise is the

shoot-from-the-hip attitude that anything done using linux is

automatically in the realm of:

1. illegal

2. immoral

3. freeloading

4. of no value for (insert whatever task comes to mind)

Now, go insult someone else.

>

> Ubuntu strives to make all software that meets the licensing terms in

> theUbuntu License Policy available. However patent and copyright

> restrictions complicate free operating systems distributing software to

> support proprietary formats.

>

> Ubuntu's commitment to only include completely free software by default

> means that proprietary media formats are not configured 'out of the box'.

>

> Ubuntu can play the most popular non-free media formats, including DVD,

> MP3, Quicktime, Windows Media, and more by following the instructions

> below. If this seems like unnecessary work, remember that Ubuntu is a

> distribution of free software and these packages are (at least arguably)

> affected by patents and license restrictions in some countries. Avoid

> formats suppressed by DRM (Digital Rights Management, or Digital

> Restrictions Management), as they are often unplayable.

>

> See Ubuntu'sFree Software Philosophy and theFree Formats page for a more

> comprehensive discussion of these issues.

>

> a.. Legal Notice Patent and copyright laws operate differently

> depending on which country you are in. Please obtain legal advice if you

> are unsure whether a particular patent or restriction applies to a media

> format you wish to use in your country.

>

>

>

 

 

--

norm

"forty-nine" <49@linux.sux> wrote in message news:fintue$fjo$1@aioe.org...

..

>

> Ubuntu can play the most popular non-free media formats, including DVD,

> MP3, Quicktime, Windows Media, and more by following the instructions

> below. If this seems like unnecessary work, remember that Ubuntu is a

> distribution of free software and these packages are (at least arguably)

> affected by patents and license restrictions in some countries. Avoid

> formats suppressed by DRM (Digital Rights Management, or Digital

> Restrictions Management), as they are often unplayable.

>

That prevents people downloading music legeally, such as with iTunes.

Oh well, best stick with Windows cos I don't do illegal music downloads