Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>

>>> Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

>>> Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting SP-1.

>>> At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people discovering

>>> the less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed pirated Windows.

>>> Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and instead

>>> got information on how to become legitimate with Windows XP or

>>> reinstalling the original operating system.

>>>

>>> Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended to

>>> stop the determined thief.

>>> But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those who

>>> desire to remain legitimate.

>>>

>>

>> They've been successful in pissing people off and going contrary to

>> the principle of being innocent until proven guilty.

>>

>> People who are determined to casually pirate copies of XP have no

>> problem doing so.

>

> Where do you get your info from? Certainly not from any genuine

> statistical data bank. Personal experience maybe? Or do you just make up

> whatever you deem appropriate to support your "cause", that being to not

> have to answer to any laws or make any payments concerning copyrights,

> trade marks, patents or royalties. It's obvious you don't give sh*t

> about anyone except yourself. You seem to perfectly fit the description

> of a thief, and being a known liar, being a thief goes hand-in-hand.

> Frank

 

Where have you been living, under a rock? I repair computers part time

and see pirated copies of XP and Office all the time. Personally, all my

copies of all my software is legit but that won't stop the likes of you

can Dennis@home to lie and state otherwise.

 

Alias, expecting more lies from Frank.

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message

> news:OUDvGvVMIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Alias wrote:

>

>

>> Where do you get your info from? Certainly not from any genuine

>> statistical data bank. Personal experience maybe? Or do you just make

>> up whatever you deem appropriate to support your "cause", that being

>> to not have to answer to any laws or make any payments concerning

>> copyrights, trade marks, patents or royalties. It's obvious you don't

>> give sh*t about anyone except yourself. You seem to perfectly fit the

>> description of a thief, and being a known liar, being a thief goes

>> hand-in-hand.

>> Frank

>

> There is a hymn sheet that all linux zealots use.. it includes such

> wonderful titles as:-

>

> windows stops working due to bitrot

 

I don't believe that.

> windows always has a virus on it

 

I don't believe that either.

> you have to activate all the time

 

Nor that.

 

Oops.

>

> They make the stuff up just like alias does.. if it sounds good its

> added to the hymn sheet.

> None of alias' stuff has been adopted yet as they don't like him much in

> ubuntu land.

 

The only posters on the Ubuntu newsgroup who don't "like" me much are

the trolls like you and forty-nine who post there and get slam dunked

and refuted time and time again.

 

Alias

dennis@home wrote:

>> I suppose one way to stop piracy is to make the product so unusable

>> that nobody wants it :)

>

> That worked with Linux for years. -)

>>

>>

>>

 

Really? Pray tell, how can Linux be pirated? This should be good.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> dennis@home wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> news:uEYRhhVMIHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

>>>>> DiBoy' wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally correct.

>>>>>>> That being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home Premium

>>>>>>> DVD, your key should work. But then you would probably have to

>>>>>>> call the Activation Center and lie to them to get it activated.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No, you do not have to lie...

>>>>>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is

>>>>>> beneficial.

>>>>>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>>>>>

>>>>>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>>>>>> components:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>>>>>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>>>>>

>>>>>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for

>>>>>> Office XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>>>>>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if

>>>>>> you phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>>>>>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being

>>>>>> installed! It is none of their business if you made hardware

>>>>>> changes, why you are reinstalling, etc and you do not need to

>>>>>> answer questions like that. If they give you a hard time, politely

>>>>>> remind them of this policy posted on their company's website. If

>>>>>> still they persist, request politely to speak to a supervisor and

>>>>>> escalate the issue until they give YOU the paying customer the

>>>>>> treatment you deserve!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will"

>>>>> activate anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> And what's the point of having to do it?

>>>>

>>>> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

>>>> insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Well I tend to simplify things somewhat, but let's say you go into

>>> Target to buy something and when you reach the checkout you pay and

>>> start to leave. Alarms go off and they demand to search your bags etc.

>>>

>>> Now, we can all live with this happening once, especially if we can

>>> see that one of those radio tags has been overlooked and it's some

>>> trivial error.

>>>

>>> But suppose this happens frequently and when it does you have visit

>>> some place and wait to be attended to or phone some place before

>>> being allowed to leave. No explanation is ever offered like "Oh we're

>>> sorry but a tag we missed didn't get disarmed" and you start to

>>> wonder when Target will do this again and how many times if has to

>>> happen before some checkout clerk makes an error ringing something up

>>> and lands you in custody for something you had no intention of doing.

>>

>>

>> But how often does it happen?

>

>

> According to the posts on this very newsgroup, quite often.

 

Sorry, but for most users, obviously not at all true.

>

>> Lets see.. activate Vista, forget it.

>> Now when exactly am I supposed to see this mystery reactivation take

>> place?

>>

>> I do know that I have set off more than one door alarm with the

>> shopping since I activated Vista but it hasn't stopped me shopping.

>

>

> Really? That's never happened to me.

>

>>

>> I also know that I have upgraded the RAM and installed Robson flash in

>> the laptop and not had to reactivate.

>

>

> Try changing your motherboard, video card or hard drive and see what

> happens.

 

Try doing that on XP...same difference. Also, how many times does the

average user change these components?

>

>>

>> I guess one of us is atypical if you suffer from having to activate

>> all the time.

>

>

> There have been dozens of posts from people who used Microsoft Updates

> to update a hardware driver and then had to reactivate or go into

> "reduced functionality".

>

That "glitch" has been fixed. It's now a non-issue.

Frank

>>

>>> My guess is that after a few such experiences you will decide to only

>>> use Target when there's absolutely no other option and will continue

>>> to work towards avoiding Target altogether. When you do have to use

>>> the place you will check and nitpick everything they do just to be sure.

>>>

>>

>> Who is target BTW, they are a currier over here.

>

>

> Target is a chain of low cost stores like Carrefour.

>

> Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>>

>>>> Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

>>>> Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting SP-1.

>>>> At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people discovering

>>>> the less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed pirated Windows.

>>>> Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and instead

>>>> got information on how to become legitimate with Windows XP or

>>>> reinstalling the original operating system.

>>>>

>>>> Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended to

>>>> stop the determined thief.

>>>> But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those who

>>>> desire to remain legitimate.

>>>>

>>>

>>> They've been successful in pissing people off and going contrary to

>>> the principle of being innocent until proven guilty.

>>>

>>> People who are determined to casually pirate copies of XP have no

>>> problem doing so.

>>

>>

>> Where do you get your info from? Certainly not from any genuine

>> statistical data bank. Personal experience maybe? Or do you just make

>> up whatever you deem appropriate to support your "cause", that being

>> to not have to answer to any laws or make any payments concerning

>> copyrights, trade marks, patents or royalties. It's obvious you don't

>> give sh*t about anyone except yourself. You seem to perfectly fit the

>> description of a thief, and being a known liar, being a thief goes

>> hand-in-hand.

>> Frank

>

>

> Where have you been living, under a rock? I repair computers part time

> and see pirated copies of XP and Office all the time. Personally, all my

> copies of all my software is legit but that won't stop the likes of you

> can Dennis@home to lie and state otherwise.

>

> Alias, expecting more lies from Frank.

 

You're not fooling anyone except yourself, you lying fool. We've all

seen your bs stories (re lies) in this ng. You care only about yourself.

Great karma, huh!

As*hole.

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>> news:uEYRhhVMIHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

>>>>>> DiBoy' wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally

>>>>>>>> correct. That being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home

>>>>>>>> Premium DVD, your key should work. But then you would probably

>>>>>>>> have to call the Activation Center and lie to them to get it

>>>>>>>> activated.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No, you do not have to lie...

>>>>>>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is

>>>>>>> beneficial.

>>>>>>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>>>>>>> components:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>>>>>>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for

>>>>>>> Office XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>>>>>>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if

>>>>>>> you phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>>>>>>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being

>>>>>>> installed! It is none of their business if you made hardware

>>>>>>> changes, why you are reinstalling, etc and you do not need to

>>>>>>> answer questions like that. If they give you a hard time,

>>>>>>> politely remind them of this policy posted on their company's

>>>>>>> website. If still they persist, request politely to speak to a

>>>>>>> supervisor and escalate the issue until they give YOU the paying

>>>>>>> customer the treatment you deserve!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will"

>>>>>> activate anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> And what's the point of having to do it?

>>>>>

>>>>> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

>>>>> insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Well I tend to simplify things somewhat, but let's say you go into

>>>> Target to buy something and when you reach the checkout you pay and

>>>> start to leave. Alarms go off and they demand to search your bags etc.

>>>>

>>>> Now, we can all live with this happening once, especially if we can

>>>> see that one of those radio tags has been overlooked and it's some

>>>> trivial error.

>>>>

>>>> But suppose this happens frequently and when it does you have visit

>>>> some place and wait to be attended to or phone some place before

>>>> being allowed to leave. No explanation is ever offered like "Oh

>>>> we're sorry but a tag we missed didn't get disarmed" and you start

>>>> to wonder when Target will do this again and how many times if has

>>>> to happen before some checkout clerk makes an error ringing

>>>> something up and lands you in custody for something you had no

>>>> intention of doing.

>>>

>>>

>>> But how often does it happen?

>>

>>

>> According to the posts on this very newsgroup, quite often.

>

> Sorry, but for most users, obviously not at all true.

 

According to post on this very newsgroup is what I wrote, liar. What

don't you understand about that?

>>

>>> Lets see.. activate Vista, forget it.

>>> Now when exactly am I supposed to see this mystery reactivation take

>>> place?

>>>

>>> I do know that I have set off more than one door alarm with the

>>> shopping since I activated Vista but it hasn't stopped me shopping.

>>

>>

>> Really? That's never happened to me.

>>

>>>

>>> I also know that I have upgraded the RAM and installed Robson flash

>>> in the laptop and not had to reactivate.

>>

>>

>> Try changing your motherboard, video card or hard drive and see what

>> happens.

>

> Try doing that on XP...same difference. Also, how many times does the

> average user change these components?

 

I just changed the motherboard and video card on one of my PCs and

Windows XP just merrily booted without any burps or demands for

reactivation. Oops.

>>

>>>

>>> I guess one of us is atypical if you suffer from having to activate

>>> all the time.

>>

>>

>> There have been dozens of posts from people who used Microsoft Updates

>> to update a hardware driver and then had to reactivate or go into

>> "reduced functionality".

>>

> That "glitch" has been fixed. It's now a non-issue.

> Frank

 

Not according to the posts on this very newsgroups, liar.

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

>>>>> Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting

>>>>> SP-1.

>>>>> At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people

>>>>> discovering the less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed

>>>>> pirated Windows.

>>>>> Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and instead

>>>>> got information on how to become legitimate with Windows XP or

>>>>> reinstalling the original operating system.

>>>>>

>>>>> Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended to

>>>>> stop the determined thief.

>>>>> But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those who

>>>>> desire to remain legitimate.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> They've been successful in pissing people off and going contrary to

>>>> the principle of being innocent until proven guilty.

>>>>

>>>> People who are determined to casually pirate copies of XP have no

>>>> problem doing so.

>>>

>>>

>>> Where do you get your info from? Certainly not from any genuine

>>> statistical data bank. Personal experience maybe? Or do you just make

>>> up whatever you deem appropriate to support your "cause", that being

>>> to not have to answer to any laws or make any payments concerning

>>> copyrights, trade marks, patents or royalties. It's obvious you don't

>>> give sh*t about anyone except yourself. You seem to perfectly fit the

>>> description of a thief, and being a known liar, being a thief goes

>>> hand-in-hand.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Where have you been living, under a rock? I repair computers part time

>> and see pirated copies of XP and Office all the time. Personally, all

>> my copies of all my software is legit but that won't stop the likes of

>> you can Dennis@home to lie and state otherwise.

>>

>> Alias, expecting more lies from Frank.

 

And here are the lies:

>

> You're not fooling anyone except yourself, you lying fool. We've all

> seen your bs stories (re lies) in this ng. You care only about yourself.

> Great karma, huh!

> As*hole.

> Frank

 

And, like clockwork, I was not disappointed.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:uEYRhhVMIHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

>>>>>>> DiBoy' wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally

>>>>>>>>> correct. That being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home

>>>>>>>>> Premium DVD, your key should work. But then you would probably

>>>>>>>>> have to call the Activation Center and lie to them to get it

>>>>>>>>> activated.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> No, you do not have to lie...

>>>>>>>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is

>>>>>>>> beneficial.

>>>>>>>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises

>>>>>>>> two components:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>>>>>>>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for

>>>>>>>> Office XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>>>>>>>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if

>>>>>>>> you phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>>>>>>>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being

>>>>>>>> installed! It is none of their business if you made hardware

>>>>>>>> changes, why you are reinstalling, etc and you do not need to

>>>>>>>> answer questions like that. If they give you a hard time,

>>>>>>>> politely remind them of this policy posted on their company's

>>>>>>>> website. If still they persist, request politely to speak to a

>>>>>>>> supervisor and escalate the issue until they give YOU the paying

>>>>>>>> customer the treatment you deserve!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will"

>>>>>>> activate anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> And what's the point of having to do it?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but

>>>>>> an insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Well I tend to simplify things somewhat, but let's say you go into

>>>>> Target to buy something and when you reach the checkout you pay and

>>>>> start to leave. Alarms go off and they demand to search your bags etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> Now, we can all live with this happening once, especially if we can

>>>>> see that one of those radio tags has been overlooked and it's some

>>>>> trivial error.

>>>>>

>>>>> But suppose this happens frequently and when it does you have visit

>>>>> some place and wait to be attended to or phone some place before

>>>>> being allowed to leave. No explanation is ever offered like "Oh

>>>>> we're sorry but a tag we missed didn't get disarmed" and you start

>>>>> to wonder when Target will do this again and how many times if has

>>>>> to happen before some checkout clerk makes an error ringing

>>>>> something up and lands you in custody for something you had no

>>>>> intention of doing.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> But how often does it happen?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> According to the posts on this very newsgroup, quite often.

>>

>>

>> Sorry, but for most users, obviously not at all true.

>

>

> According to post on this very newsgroup is what I wrote, liar. What

> don't you understand about that?

>

>>>

>>>> Lets see.. activate Vista, forget it.

>>>> Now when exactly am I supposed to see this mystery reactivation take

>>>> place?

>>>>

>>>> I do know that I have set off more than one door alarm with the

>>>> shopping since I activated Vista but it hasn't stopped me shopping.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Really? That's never happened to me.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> I also know that I have upgraded the RAM and installed Robson flash

>>>> in the laptop and not had to reactivate.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Try changing your motherboard, video card or hard drive and see what

>>> happens.

>>

>>

>> Try doing that on XP...same difference. Also, how many times does the

>> average user change these components?

>

>

> I just changed the motherboard and video card on one of my PCs and

> Windows XP just merrily booted without any burps or demands for

> reactivation. Oops.

>

Liar!

>>>

>>>>

>>>> I guess one of us is atypical if you suffer from having to activate

>>>> all the time.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> There have been dozens of posts from people who used Microsoft

>>> Updates to update a hardware driver and then had to reactivate or go

>>> into "reduced functionality".

>>>

>> That "glitch" has been fixed. It's now a non-issue.

>> Frank

>

>

> Not according to the posts on this very newsgroups, liar.

>

> Alias

 

More lies? Get lost as*hole.

You're not wanted nor needed here you little sawed off POS runt!

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

>>>>>> Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting

>>>>>> SP-1.

>>>>>> At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people

>>>>>> discovering the less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed

>>>>>> pirated Windows.

>>>>>> Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and

>>>>>> instead got information on how to become legitimate with Windows

>>>>>> XP or reinstalling the original operating system.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended

>>>>>> to stop the determined thief.

>>>>>> But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those

>>>>>> who desire to remain legitimate.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> They've been successful in pissing people off and going contrary to

>>>>> the principle of being innocent until proven guilty.

>>>>>

>>>>> People who are determined to casually pirate copies of XP have no

>>>>> problem doing so.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Where do you get your info from? Certainly not from any genuine

>>>> statistical data bank. Personal experience maybe? Or do you just

>>>> make up whatever you deem appropriate to support your "cause", that

>>>> being to not have to answer to any laws or make any payments

>>>> concerning copyrights, trade marks, patents or royalties. It's

>>>> obvious you don't give sh*t about anyone except yourself. You seem

>>>> to perfectly fit the description of a thief, and being a known liar,

>>>> being a thief goes hand-in-hand.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Where have you been living, under a rock? I repair computers part

>>> time and see pirated copies of XP and Office all the time.

>>> Personally, all my copies of all my software is legit but that won't

>>> stop the likes of you can Dennis@home to lie and state otherwise.

>>>

>>> Alias, expecting more lies from Frank.

>

>

> And here are the lies:

>

>>

>> You're not fooling anyone except yourself, you lying fool. We've all

>> seen your bs stories (re lies) in this ng. You care only about yourself.

>> Great karma, huh!

>> As*hole.

>> Frank

>

>

> And, like clockwork, I was not disappointed.

>

> Alias

 

Liar! We' all know what you are ...just a fukkin lying POS as*hole.

Frank

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

news:OKE1m2VMIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

>> Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting SP-1.

>> At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people discovering the

>> less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed pirated Windows.

>> Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and instead got

>> information on how to become legitimate with Windows XP or reinstalling

>> the original operating system.

>>

>> Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended to stop

>> the determined thief.

>> But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those who

>> desire to remain legitimate.

>>

>

>

> But the unintentional "Pirates" are victims just as Microsoft is, the real

> thieves carry on making money out of both victims completely unchallenged.

>

> The anti piracy measures "Should" be intended to stop the real thief. :)

 

Don't M$ give a free copy if its a pirate that they have bought from store.

They don't if its bought from a bloke in a pub.

"roy69" <roy69.30qfs7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

news:roy69.30qfs7@no-mx.forums.net...

>

> To cut a long story short. No it will not work. The only way to get an

> OEM version of vista to work is to buy a OEM version from microsoft, or

> a retailer that sells it. To qualify you have to buy hardware that

> system builders would buy, like a motherboard.

 

I think you will find there is no requirement to buy hardware to buy an OEM

vista.

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message

> news:OUDvGvVMIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Alias wrote:

>

>

>> Where do you get your info from? Certainly not from any genuine

>> statistical data bank. Personal experience maybe? Or do you just make

>> up whatever you deem appropriate to support your "cause", that being

>> to not have to answer to any laws or make any payments concerning

>> copyrights, trade marks, patents or royalties. It's obvious you don't

>> give sh*t about anyone except yourself. You seem to perfectly fit the

>> description of a thief, and being a known liar, being a thief goes

>> hand-in-hand.

>> Frank

>

> There is a hymn sheet that all linux zealots use.. it includes such

> wonderful titles as:-

>

> windows stops working due to bitrot

> windows always has a virus on it

> you have to activate all the time

 

Too bad for you you can't say any of that stuff about linux, eh? :)

>

> They make the stuff up just like alias does.. if it sounds good its

> added to the hymn sheet.

> None of alias' stuff has been adopted yet as they don't like him much in

> ubuntu land.

 

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"roy69" <roy69.30qfs7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

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>

> To cut a long story short. No it will not work. The only way to get an

> OEM version of vista to work is to buy a OEM version from microsoft, or

> a retailer that sells it. To qualify you have to buy hardware that

> system builders would buy, like a motherboard. However Vista 64bit

> premium OEM only cost me £65 doing it this way.

 

You can buy an OEM Vista DVD without any hardware, especially in the UK (and

other European countries).

 

If I move the OS from I

> machine to another and delete the origanal HD I am still breaking the

> law. I can however upgrade my machine so many time and talk to microst

> about the upgrade.

 

No 'law' has been broken. You can 'upgrade' your PC as may times as you

like, and that includes changing (ie 'upgrading') the hard drive and

motherboard.

This is within the terms of the EULA.

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fik8rl$fgg$1@aioe.org...

>

> I just changed the motherboard and video card on one of my PCs and Windows

> XP just merrily booted without any burps or demands for reactivation.

> Oops.

>

Must have been an almost identical chipset/BIOS/drive controller or XP

wouldn't have even booted (you'd get a BSOD, let alone get as far as the WGA

checks).

Such a board would not have enough different components to trigger the

re-activation, Vista is likely the same.

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fik5cj$3ln$4@aioe.org...

> dennis@home wrote:

>

>>> I suppose one way to stop piracy is to make the product so unusable that

>>> nobody wants it :)

>>

>> That worked with Linux for years. -)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

> Really? Pray tell, how can Linux be pirated? This should be good.

>

It can't obviously, cos it's open source. I think he meant the bit about it

being unusable that no-one would want it.

It's interesting that people prefer to break the law to get a free copy of

Windows, rather than to legally use Linux which is free anyway!

Are you referring to this:

http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/purchase/QualifyInfo.aspx

 

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"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message

news:uQX0xkfMIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Don't M$ give a free copy if its a pirate that they have bought from

> store.

> They don't if its bought from a bloke in a pub.

Brian W528320 Wrote:

> It can't obviously, cos it's open source. I think he meant the bit about

> it being unusable that no-one would want it.

> It's interesting that people prefer to break the law to get a free copy

> of

> Windows, rather than to legally use Linux which is free anyway!

 

Personally, I'd rather use an OS such as Windows that has been built

under controlled conditions, as opposed to Linux development that has no

real control about what gets programmed by whom.

 

 

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fik530$3ln$1@aioe.org...

> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> news:uEYRhhVMIHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>>>>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally correct.

>>>>>>> That being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home Premium DVD,

>>>>>>> your key should work. But then you would probably have to call the

>>>>>>> Activation Center and lie to them to get it activated.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No, you do not have to lie...

>>>>>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is

>>>>>> beneficial.

>>>>>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>>>>>

>>>>>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>>>>>> components:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>>>>>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>>>>>

>>>>>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for Office

>>>>>> XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>>>>>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you

>>>>>> phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>>>>>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed!

>>>>>> It is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you

>>>>>> are reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like

>>>>>> that. If they give you a hard time, politely remind them of this

>>>>>> policy posted on their company's website. If still they persist,

>>>>>> request politely to speak to a supervisor and escalate the issue

>>>>>> until they give YOU the paying customer the treatment you deserve!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will" activate

>>>>> anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>>>>

>>>> And what's the point of having to do it?

>>>>

>>>> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

>>>> insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Well I tend to simplify things somewhat, but let's say you go into

>>> Target to buy something and when you reach the checkout you pay and

>>> start to leave. Alarms go off and they demand to search your bags etc.

>>>

>>> Now, we can all live with this happening once, especially if we can see

>>> that one of those radio tags has been overlooked and it's some trivial

>>> error.

>>>

>>> But suppose this happens frequently and when it does you have visit some

>>> place and wait to be attended to or phone some place before being

>>> allowed to leave. No explanation is ever offered like "Oh we're sorry

>>> but a tag we missed didn't get disarmed" and you start to wonder when

>>> Target will do this again and how many times if has to happen before

>>> some checkout clerk makes an error ringing something up and lands you in

>>> custody for something you had no intention of doing.

>>

>> But how often does it happen?

>

> According to the posts on this very newsgroup, quite often.

 

So far more often than you have to activate Vista then.

>> Lets see.. activate Vista, forget it.

>> Now when exactly am I supposed to see this mystery reactivation take

>> place?

>>

>> I do know that I have set off more than one door alarm with the shopping

>> since I activated Vista but it hasn't stopped me shopping.

>

> Really? That's never happened to me.

 

Try buying clothes and things like that.

Sometimes they forget to deactivate the tag or even to remove one if its in

an obscure place.

You find out when you set the alarms off.

You could even try Vista and see if what you keep saying is true.

>> I also know that I have upgraded the RAM and installed Robson flash in

>> the laptop and not had to reactivate.

>

> Try changing your motherboard, video card or hard drive and see what

> happens.

 

If I did it wouldn't make any difference.

>> I guess one of us is atypical if you suffer from having to activate all

>> the time.

>

> There have been dozens of posts from people who used Microsoft Updates to

> update a hardware driver and then had to reactivate or go into "reduced

> functionality".

>

 

BTW I update the video drivers last night and I didn't have to reactivate.

There must have been millions that did the same.

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fik5ar$3ln$3@aioe.org...

 

> The only posters on the Ubuntu newsgroup who don't "like" me much are the

> trolls like you and forty-nine who post there and get slam dunked and

> refuted time and time again.

 

Ah yes, refuted for being correct.

Bunch of idiots over there.

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

<none@none.not> wrote in message news:fikhs9$aq4$1@aioe.org...

> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message

>> news:OUDvGvVMIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>

>>> Where do you get your info from? Certainly not from any genuine

>>> statistical data bank. Personal experience maybe? Or do you just make up

>>> whatever you deem appropriate to support your "cause", that being to not

>>> have to answer to any laws or make any payments concerning copyrights,

>>> trade marks, patents or royalties. It's obvious you don't give sh*t

>>> about anyone except yourself. You seem to perfectly fit the description

>>> of a thief, and being a known liar, being a thief goes hand-in-hand.

>>> Frank

>>

>> There is a hymn sheet that all linux zealots use.. it includes such

>> wonderful titles as:-

>>

>> windows stops working due to bitrot

>> windows always has a virus on it

>> you have to activate all the time

>

> Too bad for you you can't say any of that stuff about linux, eh? :)

 

Why would I?, I don't lie.

Some of Linux is good.. just not for most users, still.

Ubuntu is cr@p, it has caused me far more problems than any other Unix and

that includes svr5 when it was being debugged on my machines.

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fik57m$3ln$2@aioe.org...

 

>

> Where have you been living, under a rock? I repair computers part time and

> see pirated copies of XP and Office all the time. Personally, all my

> copies of all my software is legit but that won't stop the likes of you

> can Dennis@home to lie and state otherwise.

 

Can you explain what you are trying to say there as I can't work it out?

dzomlija wrote:

>

> Brian W528320 Wrote:

>> It can't obviously, cos it's open source. I think he meant the bit about

>> it being unusable that no-one would want it.

>> It's interesting that people prefer to break the law to get a free copy

>> of

>> Windows, rather than to legally use Linux which is free anyway!

>

> Personally, I'd rather use an OS such as Windows that has been built

> under controlled conditions, as opposed to Linux development that has no

> real control about what gets programmed by whom.

>

>

Too bad you are so clueless about how Linux is developed. Use google and you

might learn something.

 

Cheers.

 

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NoStop wrote:

> dzomlija wrote:

>

>

>>Brian W528320 Wrote:

>>

>>>It can't obviously, cos it's open source. I think he meant the bit about

>>>it being unusable that no-one would want it.

>>>It's interesting that people prefer to break the law to get a free copy

>>>of

>>>Windows, rather than to legally use Linux which is free anyway!

>>

>>Personally, I'd rather use an OS such as Windows that has been built

>>under controlled conditions, as opposed to Linux development that has no

>>real control about what gets programmed by whom.

>>

>>

>

> Too bad you are so clueless about how Linux is developed. Use google and you

> might learn something.

>

> Cheers.

>

 

Yeah...ahahaha...that one guy in his garage in germany...LOL!

Linux is so great...hell...they can hardly give it away...hahaha!

Frank

Brian W528305 Wrote:

> "roy69" <roy69.30qfs7@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

> news:roy69.30qfs7@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net...

>

> You can buy an OEM Vista DVD without any hardware, especially in the UK

> (and

> other European countries).

>

> If I move the OS from I

>

> No 'law' has been broken. You can 'upgrade' your PC as may times as you

> like, and that includes changing (ie 'upgrading') the hard drive and

> motherboard.

> This is within the terms of the EULA.

 

Ok mate, may be wrong.

tell me where I can buy an OEM os without buying a major part of a

computer and I wil PM you with an apology.

 

 

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Brian W wrote:

>

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fik8rl$fgg$1@aioe.org...

>>

>> I just changed the motherboard and video card on one of my PCs and

>> Windows XP just merrily booted without any burps or demands for

>> reactivation. Oops.

>>

> Must have been an almost identical chipset/BIOS/drive controller or XP

> wouldn't have even booted (you'd get a BSOD, let alone get as far as the

> WGA checks).

> Such a board would not have enough different components to trigger the

> re-activation, Vista is likely the same.

>

 

It was the exact same board :-) The video card and the NIC, however,

were different.

 

Alias