Charlie Tame wrote:

> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

> wrote:

>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally correct.

>>> That being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home Premium DVD,

>>> your key should work. But then you would probably have to call the

>>> Activation Center and lie to them to get it activated.

>>

>> No, you do not have to lie...

>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.

>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>

>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>

>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>> components:

>>

>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>

>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for Office

>> XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>

>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you

>> phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed!

>> It is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you are

>> reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like that.

>> If they give you a hard time, politely remind them of this policy

>> posted on their company's website. If still they persist, request

>> politely to speak to a supervisor and escalate the issue until they

>> give YOU the paying customer the treatment you deserve!

>

>

> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will" activate

> anyway how does this prevent piracy.

 

And what's the point of having to do it?

 

You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

 

Alias

Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting

SP-1.

At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people discovering

the less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed pirated Windows.

Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and instead

got information on how to become legitimate with Windows XP or

reinstalling the original operating system.

 

Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended to

stop the determined thief.

But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those who

desire to remain legitimate.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

news:%23XgXc%23QMIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will"

> activate anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>

> I suppose it may be that such an activated copy provides "Some"

> feedback to MS enabling them to maybe track a particular batch of

> forgeries, providing clues or evidence with which someday they could

> prosecute a "Mr Big", but that seems to be stretching reality a bit.

> One Mr Big vs 100,000 annoyed / confused customers seems to me to be

> screaming "Linux" or "Mac" at the top of one's lungs.

>

> I suppose one way to stop piracy is to make the product so unusable

> that nobody wants it :)

I hear you claim that and similar often.

Claims with little or no validity.

But as it typical of you, it is convenient only to see what suits your

anti Microsoft agenda and ignore others then claim "You will NOT

see...".

Or perhaps you selectively read to avoid seeing the full picture.

 

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

news:fihh54$sdt$1@aioe.org...

>

> And what's the point of having to do it?

>

> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

> insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>

> Alias

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> I hear you claim that and similar often.

> Claims with little or no validity.

> But as it typical of you, it is convenient only to see what suits your

> anti Microsoft agenda and ignore others then claim "You will NOT see...".

> Or perhaps you selectively read to avoid seeing the full picture.

>

 

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fihh54$sdt$1@aioe.org...

>

> And what's the point of having to do it?

>

> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>

> Alias

 

True to form, Jupiter steps up and does exactly what I said an MVP would do.

 

Alias

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

> Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting SP-1.

> At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people discovering the

> less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed pirated Windows.

> Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and instead got

> information on how to become legitimate with Windows XP or reinstalling

> the original operating system.

>

> Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended to stop

> the determined thief.

> But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those who

> desire to remain legitimate.

>

 

alias would never let the facts stand in his way of hating all things

MS. That would simply be too logical.

Frank

What you said MVP would say:

"but an insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate."

 

"does exactly what I said"

I did not insult, call anyone a pirate or troll.

Your delimitation of "exactly" differs from most.

do you need to make a point so much that you need to read what does

not exist in a post?

Perhaps you need to read my post again or for the first time?

Read yours as well.

 

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

news:fiho79$ncv$2@aioe.org...

> True to form, Jupiter steps up and does exactly what I said an MVP

> would do.

>

> Alias

Charlie Tame wrote:

> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

> wrote:

>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally correct.

>>> That being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home Premium DVD,

>>> your key should work. But then you would probably have to call the

>>> Activation Center and lie to them to get it activated.

>>

>> No, you do not have to lie...

>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.

>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>

>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>

>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>> components:

>>

>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>

>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for Office

>> XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>

>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you

>> phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed!

>> It is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you are

>> reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like that.

>> If they give you a hard time, politely remind them of this policy

>> posted on their company's website. If still they persist, request

>> politely to speak to a supervisor and escalate the issue until they

>> give YOU the paying customer the treatment you deserve!

>

>

> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will" activate

> anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>

> I suppose it may be that such an activated copy provides "Some" feedback

> to MS enabling them to maybe track a particular batch of forgeries,

> providing clues or evidence with which someday they could prosecute a

> "Mr Big", but that seems to be stretching reality a bit. One Mr Big vs

> 100,000 annoyed / confused customers seems to me to be screaming "Linux"

> or "Mac" at the top of one's lungs.

>

> I suppose one way to stop piracy is to make the product so unusable that

> nobody wants it :)

>

>

>

 

LOL, MS is excelling at that Charlie!

 

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fiho79$ncv$2@aioe.org...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> I hear you claim that and similar often.

>> Claims with little or no validity.

>> But as it typical of you, it is convenient only to see what suits your

>> anti Microsoft agenda and ignore others then claim "You will NOT see...".

>> Or perhaps you selectively read to avoid seeing the full picture.

>>

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

>

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fihh54$sdt$1@aioe.org...

> >

> > And what's the point of having to do it?

> >

> > You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

> insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

> >

> > Alias

>

> True to form, Jupiter steps up and does exactly what I said an MVP would

> do.

>

> Alias

 

You just keep blowing hot air. All you see is your limited world and

nothing else.

To cut a long story short. No it will not work. The only way to get an

OEM version of vista to work is to buy a OEM version from microsoft, or

a retailer that sells it. To qualify you have to buy hardware that

system builders would buy, like a motherboard. However Vista 64bit

premium OEM only cost me £65 doing it this way. If I move the OS from I

machine to another and delete the origanal HD I am still breaking the

law. I can however upgrade my machine so many time and talk to microst

about the upgrade.

 

 

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- Abit IP35 Pro

- 4 x 1GB OcUK PC2-6400 C5 800 MHZ Duel Channel

- Leadtek GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB GDDR3

- CiBox TFT 22" Widescreen LCD Panel. 1680 x 1050

- Creative X-Fi 7.1 PCI-E

- Antec 900 Ultimate Gaming Case

- Creative Inspire 7.1 T7900 Speakers

Re: Alias uses Ubuntu - Has limited reasoning capabilities

 

Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fiho79$ncv$2@aioe.org...

>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>> I hear you claim that and similar often.

>>> Claims with little or no validity.

>>> But as it typical of you, it is convenient only to see what suits your

>>> anti Microsoft agenda and ignore others then claim "You will NOT see...".

>>> Or perhaps you selectively read to avoid seeing the full picture.

>>>

>> --

>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

>> http://www.dts-l.org

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fihh54$sdt$1@aioe.org...

>>> And what's the point of having to do it?

>>>

>>> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

>> insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>>> Alias

>> True to form, Jupiter steps up and does exactly what I said an MVP would

>> do.

>>

>> Alias

>

> You just keep blowing hot air. All you see is your limited world and

> nothing else.

>

>

 

You don't know they answer so you, too, fall right into the MS fanboy rut.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Charlie Tame wrote:

>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

>> wrote:

>>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally correct.

>>>> That being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home Premium DVD,

>>>> your key should work. But then you would probably have to call the

>>>> Activation Center and lie to them to get it activated.

>>>

>>> No, you do not have to lie...

>>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.

>>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>>

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>>

>>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>>

>>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>>> components:

>>>

>>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>>

>>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for Office

>>> XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>>

>>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you

>>> phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed!

>>> It is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you

>>> are reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like

>>> that. If they give you a hard time, politely remind them of this

>>> policy posted on their company's website. If still they persist,

>>> request politely to speak to a supervisor and escalate the issue

>>> until they give YOU the paying customer the treatment you deserve!

>>

>>

>> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will" activate

>> anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>

> And what's the point of having to do it?

>

> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

> insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>

> Alias

 

 

Well I tend to simplify things somewhat, but let's say you go into

Target to buy something and when you reach the checkout you pay and

start to leave. Alarms go off and they demand to search your bags etc.

 

Now, we can all live with this happening once, especially if we can see

that one of those radio tags has been overlooked and it's some trivial

error.

 

But suppose this happens frequently and when it does you have visit some

place and wait to be attended to or phone some place before being

allowed to leave. No explanation is ever offered like "Oh we're sorry

but a tag we missed didn't get disarmed" and you start to wonder when

Target will do this again and how many times if has to happen before

some checkout clerk makes an error ringing something up and lands you in

custody for something you had no intention of doing.

 

My guess is that after a few such experiences you will decide to only

use Target when there's absolutely no other option and will continue to

work towards avoiding Target altogether. When you do have to use the

place you will check and nitpick everything they do just to be sure.

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

> Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting SP-1.

> At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people discovering the

> less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed pirated Windows.

> Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and instead got

> information on how to become legitimate with Windows XP or reinstalling

> the original operating system.

>

> Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended to stop

> the determined thief.

> But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those who

> desire to remain legitimate.

>

 

They've been successful in pissing people off and going contrary to the

principle of being innocent until proven guilty.

 

People who are determined to casually pirate copies of XP have no

problem doing so. All WPA and WGA succeeds in doing is to piss people

off and inconvenience paying customers by not letting them use what they

paid for without getting permission from Redmond first.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>

>> Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

>> Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting SP-1.

>> At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people discovering

>> the less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed pirated Windows.

>> Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and instead

>> got information on how to become legitimate with Windows XP or

>> reinstalling the original operating system.

>>

>> Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended to

>> stop the determined thief.

>> But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those who

>> desire to remain legitimate.

>>

>

> They've been successful in pissing people off and going contrary to the

> principle of being innocent until proven guilty.

>

> People who are determined to casually pirate copies of XP have no

> problem doing so.

 

Where do you get your info from? Certainly not from any genuine

statistical data bank. Personal experience maybe? Or do you just make up

whatever you deem appropriate to support your "cause", that being to not

have to answer to any laws or make any payments concerning copyrights,

trade marks, patents or royalties. It's obvious you don't give sh*t

about anyone except yourself. You seem to perfectly fit the description

of a thief, and being a known liar, being a thief goes hand-in-hand.

Frank

"determined to casually pirate"

They are thieves nothing less.

They are not casual pirates, they are "determined".

 

"All WPA and WGA succeeds in doing..."

Obviously NO, that is NOT all.

When finding out their Windows was pirate, many took action to become

legitimate.

Read my last post.

 

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

news:fiie05$2a3$1@aioe.org...

> They've been successful in pissing people off and going contrary to

> the principle of being innocent until proven guilty.

>

> People who are determined to casually pirate copies of XP have no

> problem doing so. All WPA and WGA succeeds in doing is to piss

> people off and inconvenience paying customers by not letting them

> use what they paid for without getting permission from Redmond

> first.

>

> Alias

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Apparently you do not remember when activation first became an issue.

> Or when Microsoft took efforts to block pirated keys from getting SP-1.

> At that time these newsgroups had many posts from people discovering the

> less than ethical shop or "friend" had installed pirated Windows.

> Many of those wanted nothing to do with pirated Windows and instead got

> information on how to become legitimate with Windows XP or reinstalling

> the original operating system.

>

> Few if any have ever said the anti piracy measures were intended to stop

> the determined thief.

> But they have been successful on slowing casual piracy by those who

> desire to remain legitimate.

>

 

 

But the unintentional "Pirates" are victims just as Microsoft is, the

real thieves carry on making money out of both victims completely

unchallenged.

 

The anti piracy measures "Should" be intended to stop the real thief. :)

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:

> Charlie Tame wrote:

>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

>> wrote:

>>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally correct.

>>>> That being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home Premium DVD,

>>>> your key should work. But then you would probably have to call the

>>>> Activation Center and lie to them to get it activated.

>>>

>>> No, you do not have to lie...

>>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.

>>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>>

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>>

>>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>>

>>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>>> components:

>>>

>>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>>

>>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for Office

>>> XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>>

>>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you

>>> phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed!

>>> It is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you

>>> are reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like

>>> that. If they give you a hard time, politely remind them of this

>>> policy posted on their company's website. If still they persist,

>>> request politely to speak to a supervisor and escalate the issue

>>> until they give YOU the paying customer the treatment you deserve!

>>

>>

>> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will" activate

>> anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>>

>> I suppose it may be that such an activated copy provides "Some"

>> feedback to MS enabling them to maybe track a particular batch of

>> forgeries, providing clues or evidence with which someday they could

>> prosecute a "Mr Big", but that seems to be stretching reality a bit.

>> One Mr Big vs 100,000 annoyed / confused customers seems to me to be

>> screaming "Linux" or "Mac" at the top of one's lungs.

>>

>> I suppose one way to stop piracy is to make the product so unusable

>> that nobody wants it :)

>>

>>

>>

>

> LOL, MS is excelling at that Charlie!

>

 

 

Well I certainly don't want to see thousands of MS employees lose their

jobs, that's just the opposite of what is required, but someone at the

top has lost the plot and as always the folks lower down will pay for

it. Nobody like Ballmer will lose their jobs or benefits, they never do,

they sometimes "Move on" to wreak havoc elsewhere after a suitable pay

increase but only after the damage is done.

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "determined to casually pirate"

> They are thieves nothing less.

> They are not casual pirates, they are "determined".

 

Real pirates sell their wares. Casual pirates don't. Hence, they were

casual pirates.

>

> "All WPA and WGA succeeds in doing..."

> Obviously NO, that is NOT all.

> When finding out their Windows was pirate, many took action to become

> legitimate.

> Read my last post.

>

 

Compared to the amount of people who casually pirate XP, the ones who

fessed up was/is minuscule.

 

That said, I think most people are honest and most people paid for their

pre WPA copy of Windows which is why MS made so much money selling the

pre WPA Windows. In addition, most people buy Windows when they buy a

computer with Windows preinstalled so any casual piracy is minimal.

 

Soooo, WGA and WPA only really affects paying customers and accuses them

of piracy until they prove otherwise and no matter how you slice it,

that ain't right.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>

>> "determined to casually pirate"

>> They are thieves nothing less.

>> They are not casual pirates, they are "determined".

>

>

> Real pirates sell their wares. Casual pirates don't. Hence, they were

> casual pirates.

>

>>

>> "All WPA and WGA succeeds in doing..."

>> Obviously NO, that is NOT all.

>> When finding out their Windows was pirate, many took action to become

>> legitimate.

>> Read my last post.

>>

>

> Compared to the amount of people who casually pirate XP, the ones who

> fessed up was/is minuscule.

>

> That said, I think most people are honest and most people paid for their

> pre WPA copy of Windows which is why MS made so much money selling the

> pre WPA Windows. In addition, most people buy Windows when they buy a

> computer with Windows preinstalled so any casual piracy is minimal.

>

> Soooo, WGA and WPA only really affects paying customers and accuses them

> of piracy until they prove otherwise and no matter how you slice it,

> that ain't right.

>

> Alias

 

You just love making up sh*t to support your position don't you. You are

a very despicable person. No here believe anything you say. You are a

known and admitted liar. You are also a spineless, clueless, classless POS.

Get lost...no one here will ever miss your lying ass.

Frank

Yes, they are victims, but they are the one the anti piracy measures

such as WPA and WGA are intended.

And they are the ones that make efforts to become legitimate.

 

As for the determined, there probably is no technology to stop those

thieves.

For the most part this group cares little about their affect on

society and I doubt their illegitimate activities are limited to

software.

They probably commit other crimes.

 

The "real thief" is the one that by far costs us all the most.

 

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

news:OKE1m2VMIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> But the unintentional "Pirates" are victims just as Microsoft is,

> the real thieves carry on making money out of both victims

> completely unchallenged.

>

> The anti piracy measures "Should" be intended to stop the real

> thief. :)

Alias wrote:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> "determined to casually pirate"

>> They are thieves nothing less.

>> They are not casual pirates, they are "determined".

>

> Real pirates sell their wares. Casual pirates don't. Hence, they were

> casual pirates.

>

>>

>> "All WPA and WGA succeeds in doing..."

>> Obviously NO, that is NOT all.

>> When finding out their Windows was pirate, many took action to become

>> legitimate.

>> Read my last post.

>>

>

> Compared to the amount of people who casually pirate XP, the ones who

> fessed up was/is minuscule.

>

> That said, I think most people are honest and most people paid for their

> pre WPA copy of Windows which is why MS made so much money selling the

> pre WPA Windows. In addition, most people buy Windows when they buy a

> computer with Windows preinstalled so any casual piracy is minimal.

>

> Soooo, WGA and WPA only really affects paying customers and accuses them

> of piracy until they prove otherwise and no matter how you slice it,

> that ain't right.

>

> Alias

 

 

Well I did do some research a couple of years ago, maybe 3, to see what

hardware would accept XP and to get an idea what memory etc would be

ideal for cheaply recovering older hardware. It is amazing what XP can

work with to be honest, even some old stuff that no GUI Linux I have yet

found can run on.

 

I can imagine quite a lot of 98 machines previously assumed dead could

have been resurrected that way, thus JJ may have a point about casual

piracy in that sense. I certainly have a number of older machines

running Linux that I "Could" be up and running with using XP in as long

as it takes to read the CD and do the updates, updates for updates and

the updates for the updated updates.

 

This does represent a potential loss for MS assuming I wanted to use

these machines under XP - I "Could" do so, but I have no need to. This

is my point, they are machines I would never spend money to buy an OS

for, so just say "If" I sit here now and install XP on them all for the

hell of it has Microsoft experienced a real "Loss".

 

This the same argument on might apply to downloaded music for example.

If I download a thousand MP3 I am never going to play is that piracy?

What if I do play them but hate them all and would never buy them... is

that piracy?

 

Ask 100 people you get 100 different variations on the answers :)

"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:eDdaowIMIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> René wrote:

>>> The Toshiba OEM Windows Vista license cannot be transferred

>>> to a different computer....sorry!

>>

>> So what will happen? Will it say rightaway that the product key is

>> invalid or will I have to reactivate the OS? Or is ist, that it works

>> but it does not comply with the EULA?

>>

>> Come on, I mean, if I have to/want to exchange a main HW component I

>> surely do not want to buy a new OS.

>

> Systems from major manufacturers (including your Toshiba) have the OS

> locked to the BIOS of the target computer. Even if Toshiba supplied you

> with an OEM DVD containing Vista, it would not work and cannot be made to

> work on a machine having a different BIOS.

>

 

My Samsung oem dvd installed quite happily on my shuttle so it may not be

true that they are bios locked, but I don't have a spare key to try that

step.

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

> wrote:

>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally correct. That

>>> being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home Premium DVD, your key

>>> should work. But then you would probably have to call the Activation

>>> Center and lie to them to get it activated.

>>

>> No, you do not have to lie...

>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.

>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>

>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>

>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>> components:

>>

>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>

>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for Office XP

>> and Office XP family products only)"

>>

>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you phone

>> in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and occasionally the

>> country in which the product(s) is being installed! It is none of their

>> business if you made hardware changes, why you are reinstalling, etc and

>> you do not need to answer questions like that. If they give you a hard

>> time, politely remind them of this policy posted on their company's

>> website. If still they persist, request politely to speak to a supervisor

>> and escalate the issue until they give YOU the paying customer the

>> treatment you deserve!

>

>

> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will" activate

> anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>

> I suppose it may be that such an activated copy provides "Some" feedback

> to MS enabling them to maybe track a particular batch of forgeries,

> providing clues or evidence with which someday they could prosecute a "Mr

> Big", but that seems to be stretching reality a bit. One Mr Big vs 100,000

> annoyed / confused customers seems to me to be screaming "Linux" or "Mac"

> at the top of one's lungs.

 

It's evidence gathering.. as you say activation will deter the casual

copier.

It will allow evidence to be gathered from pirate software and some keys

will be blocked at some stage.

>

> I suppose one way to stop piracy is to make the product so unusable that

> nobody wants it :)

 

That worked with Linux for years. -)

>

>

>

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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> Alias wrote:

>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

>>> wrote:

>>>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally correct. That

>>>>> being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home Premium DVD, your key

>>>>> should work. But then you would probably have to call the Activation

>>>>> Center and lie to them to get it activated.

>>>>

>>>> No, you do not have to lie...

>>>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.

>>>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>>>

>>>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>>>

>>>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>>>> components:

>>>>

>>>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>>>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>>>

>>>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for Office

>>>> XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>>>

>>>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>>>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you

>>>> phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>>>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed!

>>>> It is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you are

>>>> reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like that.

>>>> If they give you a hard time, politely remind them of this policy

>>>> posted on their company's website. If still they persist, request

>>>> politely to speak to a supervisor and escalate the issue until they

>>>> give YOU the paying customer the treatment you deserve!

>>>

>>>

>>> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will" activate

>>> anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>>

>> And what's the point of having to do it?

>>

>> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

>> insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> Well I tend to simplify things somewhat, but let's say you go into Target

> to buy something and when you reach the checkout you pay and start to

> leave. Alarms go off and they demand to search your bags etc.

>

> Now, we can all live with this happening once, especially if we can see

> that one of those radio tags has been overlooked and it's some trivial

> error.

>

> But suppose this happens frequently and when it does you have visit some

> place and wait to be attended to or phone some place before being allowed

> to leave. No explanation is ever offered like "Oh we're sorry but a tag we

> missed didn't get disarmed" and you start to wonder when Target will do

> this again and how many times if has to happen before some checkout clerk

> makes an error ringing something up and lands you in custody for something

> you had no intention of doing.

 

But how often does it happen?

Lets see.. activate Vista, forget it.

Now when exactly am I supposed to see this mystery reactivation take place?

 

I do know that I have set off more than one door alarm with the shopping

since I activated Vista but it hasn't stopped me shopping.

 

I also know that I have upgraded the RAM and installed Robson flash in the

laptop and not had to reactivate.

 

I guess one of us is atypical if you suffer from having to activate all the

time.

> My guess is that after a few such experiences you will decide to only use

> Target when there's absolutely no other option and will continue to work

> towards avoiding Target altogether. When you do have to use the place you

> will check and nitpick everything they do just to be sure.

>

 

Who is target BTW, they are a currier over here.

"Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message

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> Alias wrote:

 

> Where do you get your info from? Certainly not from any genuine

> statistical data bank. Personal experience maybe? Or do you just make up

> whatever you deem appropriate to support your "cause", that being to not

> have to answer to any laws or make any payments concerning copyrights,

> trade marks, patents or royalties. It's obvious you don't give sh*t about

> anyone except yourself. You seem to perfectly fit the description of a

> thief, and being a known liar, being a thief goes hand-in-hand.

> Frank

 

There is a hymn sheet that all linux zealots use.. it includes such

wonderful titles as:-

 

windows stops working due to bitrot

windows always has a virus on it

you have to activate all the time

 

They make the stuff up just like alias does.. if it sounds good its added to

the hymn sheet.

None of alias' stuff has been adopted yet as they don't like him much in

ubuntu land.

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:uEYRhhVMIHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

>>>> DiBoy' wrote:

>>>>> David A. Spicer wrote:

>>>>>> All of the responses you are getting are legally/morally correct.

>>>>>> That being said, if you know someone with an OEM Home Premium DVD,

>>>>>> your key should work. But then you would probably have to call the

>>>>>> Activation Center and lie to them to get it activated.

>>>>>

>>>>> No, you do not have to lie...

>>>>> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is

>>>>> beneficial.

>>>>> Quoted from the MS website:

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>>>>>

>>>>> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>>>>>

>>>>> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

>>>>> components:

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

>>>>> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>>>>>

>>>>> * The country in which the product is being installed (for

>>>>> Office XP and Office XP family products only)"

>>>>>

>>>>> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

>>>>> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you

>>>>> phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

>>>>> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being

>>>>> installed! It is none of their business if you made hardware

>>>>> changes, why you are reinstalling, etc and you do not need to

>>>>> answer questions like that. If they give you a hard time, politely

>>>>> remind them of this policy posted on their company's website. If

>>>>> still they persist, request politely to speak to a supervisor and

>>>>> escalate the issue until they give YOU the paying customer the

>>>>> treatment you deserve!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Which all comes back to my original complaint, if they "Will"

>>>> activate anyway how does this prevent piracy.

>>>

>>> And what's the point of having to do it?

>>>

>>> You will NOT see one MVP *ever* address this with *anything* but an

>>> insult, usually calling you a troll or a pirate.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Well I tend to simplify things somewhat, but let's say you go into

>> Target to buy something and when you reach the checkout you pay and

>> start to leave. Alarms go off and they demand to search your bags etc.

>>

>> Now, we can all live with this happening once, especially if we can

>> see that one of those radio tags has been overlooked and it's some

>> trivial error.

>>

>> But suppose this happens frequently and when it does you have visit

>> some place and wait to be attended to or phone some place before being

>> allowed to leave. No explanation is ever offered like "Oh we're sorry

>> but a tag we missed didn't get disarmed" and you start to wonder when

>> Target will do this again and how many times if has to happen before

>> some checkout clerk makes an error ringing something up and lands you

>> in custody for something you had no intention of doing.

>

> But how often does it happen?

 

According to the posts on this very newsgroup, quite often.

> Lets see.. activate Vista, forget it.

> Now when exactly am I supposed to see this mystery reactivation take place?

>

> I do know that I have set off more than one door alarm with the shopping

> since I activated Vista but it hasn't stopped me shopping.

 

Really? That's never happened to me.

>

> I also know that I have upgraded the RAM and installed Robson flash in

> the laptop and not had to reactivate.

 

Try changing your motherboard, video card or hard drive and see what

happens.

>

> I guess one of us is atypical if you suffer from having to activate all

> the time.

 

There have been dozens of posts from people who used Microsoft Updates

to update a hardware driver and then had to reactivate or go into

"reduced functionality".

>

>> My guess is that after a few such experiences you will decide to only

>> use Target when there's absolutely no other option and will continue

>> to work towards avoiding Target altogether. When you do have to use

>> the place you will check and nitpick everything they do just to be sure.

>>

>

> Who is target BTW, they are a currier over here.

 

Target is a chain of low cost stores like Carrefour.

 

Alias