Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:06:03 -0800

>> Frank <fb@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:38:23 -0800

>>>> Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:53:29 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:37:56 +0100, Alias

>>>>>>>>>>> <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> nobbygee5 wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> My computer has recently been returned after being

>>>>>>>>>>>>> repaired. I know windows was re-installed while it was away

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i now keep getting an icon come up saying i need to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> activate windows. When i put my product key in i am told it

>>>>>>>>>>>>> is already in use. It is definitely the right product key

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if it is already in use i must be using it so why do i

>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep getting a reminder. I have 25 days left to activate

>>>>>>>>>>>>> which sounds a lot but with the help microsoft gives you its

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not long. Can anyone help or advise. Regards Mark.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone

>>>>>>>>>>>> activators that you're not a thief and maybe they will give

>>>>>>>>>>>> you permission to use something you bought.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder why you would say that, sir...

>>>>>>>>>>> Each time I need to activate my OS via phone,

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you have to activate by phone implies that you

>>>>>>>>>> are a thief until you prove otherwise. And, if you don't

>>>>>>>>>> activate by phone, you will not be able to use what you paid

>>>>>>>>>> for.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> the tech asks me two

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> [or more, depending on my answer] questions:

>>>>>>>>>>> 1) "Please give me the numbers on your screen"

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 2) "Is this your first time installing this Software?"

>>>>>>>>>>> If your answer is "Yes", they simply respond with a string of

>>>>>>>>>>> numbers,

>>>>>>>>>>> which you enter, after which the tech asks you to click on

>>>>>>>>>>> "OK", which

>>>>>>>>>>> has always resulted in immediate activation. 3) If your answer

>>>>>>>>>>> is "No", they will ask a further question:

>>>>>>>>>>> "Is this the only computer you have installed this OS on?"

>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on your answer, they will ask further questions:

>>>>>>>>>>> If your answer to this third question is "Yes", they will

>>>>>>>>>>> give you a string of numbers, which you will enter. Then they

>>>>>>>>>>> will direct you to click on "OK", upon which the OS is

>>>>>>>>>>> immediately activated. If your answer is "no", the outcome

>>>>>>>>>>> will depend upon your Product ID

>>>>>>>>>>> type: If it is "OEM", you will be told that the product is

>>>>>>>>>>> already activated on another machine, and will be directed to

>>>>>>>>>>> purchase a second license, and the activation will be denied.

>>>>>>>>>>> If it is "RETAIL", you will be given an opportunity to

>>>>>>>>>>> explain why it appears that you are installing your product on

>>>>>>>>>>> more than one machine at once.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> How many paying customers know the difference between an OEM or

>>>>>>>>>> a retail copy?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Just WHERE in this does one find "grovel to the phone

>>>>>>>>>>> activators that you're not a thief and maybe they will give

>>>>>>>>>>> you permission to use something you bought"?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> So, you're saying that activation is guaranteed? If so, what's

>>>>>>>>>> the point of doing it?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> You JUST don't get it yet, do ya, "alias"?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Alias, not alias.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> We've been trying to tell you for years that as far as

>>>>>>>>>>> Semantics are concerned, there are no grounds for comparison

>>>>>>>>>>> between a new Ford and an Operating System. They are "apples

>>>>>>>>>>> and oranges", semantically, as well as opposite polarities,

>>>>>>>>>>> logically, financially, or legally..

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Yet you keep trotting out those same poor, worn-out

>>>>>>>>>>> metaphors.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall using a Ford as an example. You're confusing me

>>>>>>>>>> with someone else.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Again, friend,

>>>>>>>>>>> A man who pays cash for a new Ford receives something he can

>>>>>>>>>>> grasp with his hands, while the same man who pays cash for a

>>>>>>>>>>> "copy" of Vista

>>>>>>>>>>> receives a "LICENSE-to-USE", or "The right to use the provided

>>>>>>>>>>> media to install and use the software contained on the media

>>>>>>>>>>> on one [or more] machines *according to the terms* of the

>>>>>>>>>>> user agreement, which the user agrees to when he installs the

>>>>>>>>>>> software." This is NOT "a Deed to everything on the media,

>>>>>>>>>>> including the media itself" [all which are owned lock, stock,

>>>>>>>>>>> and smoking barrel by the manufacturer and/or author of the

>>>>>>>>>>> software and media.] You don't seem to be able to grasp this

>>>>>>>>>>> simple point, friend. The ONLY thing you "own" is a "license

>>>>>>>>>>> to use the provided media to install the software contained on

>>>>>>>>>>> the media provided."

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, ''alias", Microsoft owns the disks themselves, as well as

>>>>>>>>>>> the bits on the disks, and has the right to request them back

>>>>>>>>>>> at any time,

>>>>>>>>>>> at its own discretion.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the Microsoft EULA is not even a formal (or informal)

>>>>>>>>>>> "deed of ownership". It's simply a "license to install and

>>>>>>>>>>> use /the software/ on one or

>>>>>>>>>>> more machines, *according to the terms of the license* agreed

>>>>>>>>>>> to when initially installing it."

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> This "License to Use" shouldn't be considered to be "real

>>>>>>>>>>> property" [such as what anyone could see with their eyes, like

>>>>>>>>>>> a Ford automobile], but lies in the realm somewhere between

>>>>>>>>>>> "you paid for a copy...", and "but the owner can take it back

>>>>>>>>>>> if he wants." So really, who owns the product? The one who

>>>>>>>>>>> paid for a copy, or the one

>>>>>>>>>>> who paid for its manufacture and distribution? Personally, I

>>>>>>>>>>> believe that once a manufacturer/author advertises his

>>>>>>>>>>> product publically [sic], it no longer belongs exclusively to

>>>>>>>>>>> him, but is

>>>>>>>>>>> co-owned [quietly] by his paying customers from the first copy

>>>>>>>>>>> sold.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The same goes for all other creative works, except those the

>>>>>>>>>>> artist gives to the Public at no cost.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> You might want to consider Open Source or Linux. It's free

>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is no activation, becoming genuine or DRM to have

>>>>>>>>>>>> to put up with. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem to me that if one is to be believed, he must

>>>>>>>>>>> present an air of genuineness. The best way to do that, if

>>>>>>>>>>> one is currently NOT genuine, is to become genuine. When the

>>>>>>>>>>> man does that, he no longer needs to present an air of

>>>>>>>>>>> genuineness, but is truly "genuine". At that point, he will

>>>>>>>>>>> then recognize the absolute necessity for defences [sic]

>>>>>>>>>>> against the non-genuine, who cause things like Windows

>>>>>>>>>>> Activation and Digital Rights Management to exist in the first

>>>>>>>>>>> place.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> When I was a child, no one in my neighborhood left their

>>>>>>>>>>> doors locked.

>>>>>>>>>>> Why lock the door,when everyone knew if someone needed

>>>>>>>>>>> something of his, he would be free to take what was necessary

>>>>>>>>>>> subject, of course, to the mores of the time and common human

>>>>>>>>>>> decency.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Now, everyone locks their doors, even from their dearest

>>>>>>>>>>> friends. Sad.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Donald L McDaniel

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You have described Microsoft's scam perfectly. And, Donald, or

>>>>>>>>>> whatever your real name is, it is a scam and you can't continue

>>>>>>>>>> to accuse paying customers of being thieves until they prove

>>>>>>>>>> otherwise and expect stay in business.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Again, "alias", WHERE does Microsoft "accuse paying customers of

>>>>>>>>> being thieves until they prove otherwise?)

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I personally have NEVER been accused of being a thieves, by

>>>>>>>>> ANYONE at ANYTIME in my 62 years. I do not see it happening

>>>>>>>>> during the rest of my stay on the earth.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I see nothing wrong with accusing Microsoft of falsely accusing

>>>>>>>>> all its customers of being thieves. However, in a court of law,

>>>>>>>>> one must PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that the charges

>>>>>>>>> against someone are supportable.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You have failed to support your delusion since the release of XP

>>>>>>>>> and Microsoft's requirement to activate one's License. Telling

>>>>>>>>> us your delusion over and over can never "prove" its verity.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The Bible tells us "Let every word be established at the mouth

>>>>>>>>> of two or more witnesses."

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You seem to be the ONLY one who has consistently made this

>>>>>>>>> charge over the years. That's definitely NOT "at the mouth of

>>>>>>>>> two or more witnesses."

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Even I, who dislikes activation as much as the next man, do not

>>>>>>>>> make such a delusional accusation against Microsoft -- and I am

>>>>>>>>> sure I've made more than my share of delusional accusations

>>>>>>>>> againt Microsoft in these newsgroups. But I have NEVER felt as

>>>>>>>>> if Microsoft were somehow accusing me of

>>>>>>>>> being a software pirate. In fact, Microsoft has treated me MUCH

>>>>>>>>> better than I deserve over the years.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> If you feel as if Microsoft is accusing you of being a pirate, I

>>>>>>>>> suggest that maybe you are. In which case, the guilt you feel

>>>>>>>>> when you activate your OS is certainly not misplaced.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Donald L McDaniel

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If you have to prove that your bought Windows not once, but

>>>>>>>> twice, or MS will make it impossible for you to use the copy of

>>>>>>>> Windows that you bought, that is called assuming you are guilty

>>>>>>>> of piracy until you prove otherwise. You, yourself, blinded by MS

>>>>>>>> FUD, have accused me of piracy with no proof.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> MS says bend over and Donald asks "how far?"

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Got kiss RS's hairy arse you stupid linux lovin lying loser.

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Again, sigh, Ubuntu does not require that one prove that one

>>>>>> obtained it legitimately to *anyone*. Ergo, unlike Windows, no ass

>>>>>> kissing necessary.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Oops.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The pathetic thing is that this has been pointed out to you by many

>>>>>> but you still repeat the same tired refrain. Course, with your lack

>>>>>> of any ability to understand, it's not surprising.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>> RS is waiting for you and he doesn't like to be kept waiting.

>>>>> You know what he wants...LOL!

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> And yet even more content flies right over Frank's head. You really

>>>> have a serious reading comprehension problem, Frank.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>

>>> I perfectly understand your proper English lies.

>>> So does everyone else you moron.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> So, are you telling us that, like XP and Vista, one has to activate

>> Ubuntu and become genuine before being able to use Synaptic and get

>> software? What *are* you saying besides squawking like a fuçking wind-up

>> parrot that repeats "liar, pants on fire!" every time you think you've

>> been wound up? Huh?

>> Alias

>

> You tell me mr liar?

> Frank

 

Um, the question was directed at you. I've already stated my case. It's

your turn but all you will do, like a parrot, is repeat the same sad

refrain.

 

Alias

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fivfvm$3df$1@aioe.org...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fiv35k$o18$1@aioe.org...

>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:#SajX5PNIHA.3852@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> You are the one who published here the instructions for the

>>>>>> activation process, clearly explaining that as long as you "Say"

>>>>>> you have only one copy it will be activated. Seems to me that the

>>>>>> dishonest person will say that anyway, which brings us neatly back

>>>>>> to "What use is it?" If there are 100 people using the same

>>>>>> product key, 99 of them lying, who ultimately gets to lose out

>>>>>> when MS finally slam the door? You can bet it will be the single

>>>>>> honest user.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> That user will get the free WGA pack.

>>>>

>>>> Whoop dee doo.

>>>>

>>>>> Some of the others might too but M$ err on the side of the customer.

>>>>

>>>> You're kidding, right? WPA and WGA, by their very nature, are anti

>>>> customer.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> So anti customer that you run XP.

>>

>> No WGA on my XP machine. You haven't figured out how to keep that off

>> your machine? LOL! Just because I activated it doesn't mean that I

>> liked it.

>

>>> So anti customer that most don't care.

>>

>> You and MS are very wrong about that.

>>

>> Alias

>

> No you are making your world more important than everyone else's.

> This results in you assuming your limited experience is what happens

> everywhere.

> Exactly the same attitude that has held linux back since it started, "of

> course its easy, I do it ten times a day".

> What is it about some linux users that makes them think they are the

> center of the world and that everyone's experience is the same as theirs?

 

Dennis gets refuted so, naturally, he resorts to unfounded insults.

 

Check mate.

 

Alias

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

> <none@none.not> wrote in message news:fivsee$6qd$2@aioe.org...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fiv35k$o18$1@aioe.org...

>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:#SajX5PNIHA.3852@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> You are the one who published here the instructions for the

>>>>>> activation process, clearly explaining that as long as you "Say"

>>>>>> you have only one copy it will be activated. Seems to me that the

>>>>>> dishonest person will say that anyway, which brings us neatly back

>>>>>> to "What use is it?" If there are 100 people using the same

>>>>>> product key, 99 of them lying, who ultimately gets to lose out

>>>>>> when MS finally slam the door? You can bet it will be the single

>>>>>> honest user.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> That user will get the free WGA pack.

>>>>

>>>> Whoop dee doo.

>>>>

>>>>> Some of the others might too but M$ err on the side of the customer.

>>>>

>>>> You're kidding, right? WPA and WGA, by their very nature, are anti

>>>> customer.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> So anti customer that you run XP.

>>> So anti customer that most don't care.

>>

>> Educated consumers care. But I would agree that most consumers are

>> not educated consumers.

>

> Most consumers don't actually want a computer, they just want something

> to give them the "internet".

> They are put off by computers and buy something they can go back to the

> shop with if they have problems.

> Why do you think they buy at pc world? Its not the prices, its that they

> feel they can get help even if it costs them.

> When someone actually produces a machine that works for them they will

> make a killing.

> If its Linux who will care other than M$ or Apple.

> It won't be linux in the form of the present distros as they are trying

> to compete with windows rather than solve a problem.

>

>

 

And scam artists like Microsoft try to take complete and total control

of their computers with the WPA and WGA crap.

 

Alias

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fj0qnk$5o9$1@aioe.org...

 

8<

> And scam artists like Microsoft try to take complete and total control of

> their computers with the WPA and WGA crap.

 

Irrelevant as usual.

It is amazing how a small minority of Linux users think they have to compete

with windows to be successful.

Is it surprising that Linux is never a success when it is always playing

catch up?

Catch up with Unix, catch up with NT, catch up with XP, catch up with Vista,

what's next?

The one laptop project is the first real initiative involving Linux that was

purely on a cost basis and involved throwing most of the junk people call

Linux in the bin. Its amazing just how much junk you can remove including

several windows managers that do nothing at all except tie up development

effort that could be used for applications.

Will you be embarrassed when a machine with no fancy graphics or features

*sells* more seats than can be given away with the Linux distros? You keep

saying its the fancy features that will kill windows.. it won't as they are

just a pain.

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fj0qir$3lj$3@aioe.org...

> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fivfvm$3df$1@aioe.org...

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fiv35k$o18$1@aioe.org...

>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:#SajX5PNIHA.3852@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You are the one who published here the instructions for the

>>>>>>> activation process, clearly explaining that as long as you "Say" you

>>>>>>> have only one copy it will be activated. Seems to me that the

>>>>>>> dishonest person will say that anyway, which brings us neatly back

>>>>>>> to "What use is it?" If there are 100 people using the same product

>>>>>>> key, 99 of them lying, who ultimately gets to lose out when MS

>>>>>>> finally slam the door? You can bet it will be the single honest

>>>>>>> user.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That user will get the free WGA pack.

>>>>>

>>>>> Whoop dee doo.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Some of the others might too but M$ err on the side of the customer.

>>>>>

>>>>> You're kidding, right? WPA and WGA, by their very nature, are anti

>>>>> customer.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> So anti customer that you run XP.

>>>

>>> No WGA on my XP machine. You haven't figured out how to keep that off

>>> your machine? LOL! Just because I activated it doesn't mean that I liked

>>> it.

>>

>>>> So anti customer that most don't care.

>>>

>>> You and MS are very wrong about that.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> No you are making your world more important than everyone else's.

>> This results in you assuming your limited experience is what happens

>> everywhere.

>> Exactly the same attitude that has held linux back since it started, "of

>> course its easy, I do it ten times a day".

>> What is it about some linux users that makes them think they are the

>> center of the world and that everyone's experience is the same as theirs?

>

> Dennis gets refuted so, naturally, he resorts to unfounded insults.

 

You are crazy.. there are no insults there.

There are statements that represent my opinion of you and some others.

If you want insults talk to Frank or one of your "friends" in the Linux

groups.

> Check mate.

 

You couldn't mate me if I had just the king and you had two rooks.

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fj0qir$3lj$3@aioe.org...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fivfvm$3df$1@aioe.org...

>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fiv35k$o18$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:#SajX5PNIHA.3852@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You are the one who published here the instructions for the

>>>>>>>> activation process, clearly explaining that as long as you "Say"

>>>>>>>> you have only one copy it will be activated. Seems to me that

>>>>>>>> the dishonest person will say that anyway, which brings us

>>>>>>>> neatly back to "What use is it?" If there are 100 people using

>>>>>>>> the same product key, 99 of them lying, who ultimately gets to

>>>>>>>> lose out when MS finally slam the door? You can bet it will be

>>>>>>>> the single honest user.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That user will get the free WGA pack.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Whoop dee doo.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Some of the others might too but M$ err on the side of the customer.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You're kidding, right? WPA and WGA, by their very nature, are anti

>>>>>> customer.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>> So anti customer that you run XP.

>>>>

>>>> No WGA on my XP machine. You haven't figured out how to keep that

>>>> off your machine? LOL! Just because I activated it doesn't mean that

>>>> I liked it.

>>>

>>>>> So anti customer that most don't care.

>>>>

>>>> You and MS are very wrong about that.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> No you are making your world more important than everyone else's.

>>> This results in you assuming your limited experience is what happens

>>> everywhere.

>>> Exactly the same attitude that has held linux back since it started,

>>> "of course its easy, I do it ten times a day".

>>> What is it about some linux users that makes them think they are the

>>> center of the world and that everyone's experience is the same as

>>> theirs?

>>

>> Dennis gets refuted so, naturally, he resorts to unfounded insults.

>

> You are crazy.. there are no insults there.

 

LOL! Is insulting so natural to you that you aren't aware of doing it?

> There are statements that represent my opinion of you and some others.

 

Your insulting, lying and unfounded statements.

> If you want insults talk to Frank or one of your "friends" in the Linux

> groups.

 

No one has insulted me in the Linux group. You, OTOH, are being dragged

over the coals there.

>

>> Check mate.

>

> You couldn't mate me if I had just the king and you had two rooks.

 

You don't even know when you've lost the argument.

 

Alias

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fj0qnk$5o9$1@aioe.org...

>

> 8<

>

>> And scam artists like Microsoft try to take complete and total control

>> of their computers with the WPA and WGA crap.

>

> Irrelevant as usual.

 

Only if you consider users with little computer savvy to be irrelevant.

> It is amazing how a small minority of Linux users think they have to

> compete with windows to be successful.

 

There's no competition.

> Is it surprising that Linux is never a success when it is always playing

> catch up?

 

It's usage has doubled this year.

> Catch up with Unix, catch up with NT, catch up with XP, catch up with

> Vista, what's next?

 

Linux is growing. Live with it or not, your choice.

> The one laptop project is the first real initiative involving Linux that

> was purely on a cost basis and involved throwing most of the junk people

> call Linux in the bin. Its amazing just how much junk you can remove

> including several windows managers that do nothing at all except tie up

> development effort that could be used for applications.

> Will you be embarrassed when a machine with no fancy graphics or

> features *sells* more seats than can be given away with the Linux

> distros? You keep saying its the fancy features that will kill windows..

> it won't as they are just a pain.

 

Don't put words in my mouth to make your argument.

 

Alias

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fj0uqv$ni8$1@aioe.org...

> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fj0qir$3lj$3@aioe.org...

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fivfvm$3df$1@aioe.org...

>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:fiv35k$o18$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:#SajX5PNIHA.3852@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You are the one who published here the instructions for the

>>>>>>>>> activation process, clearly explaining that as long as you "Say"

>>>>>>>>> you have only one copy it will be activated. Seems to me that the

>>>>>>>>> dishonest person will say that anyway, which brings us neatly back

>>>>>>>>> to "What use is it?" If there are 100 people using the same

>>>>>>>>> product key, 99 of them lying, who ultimately gets to lose out

>>>>>>>>> when MS finally slam the door? You can bet it will be the single

>>>>>>>>> honest user.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That user will get the free WGA pack.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Whoop dee doo.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Some of the others might too but M$ err on the side of the

>>>>>>>> customer.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You're kidding, right? WPA and WGA, by their very nature, are anti

>>>>>>> customer.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So anti customer that you run XP.

>>>>>

>>>>> No WGA on my XP machine. You haven't figured out how to keep that off

>>>>> your machine? LOL! Just because I activated it doesn't mean that I

>>>>> liked it.

>>>>

>>>>>> So anti customer that most don't care.

>>>>>

>>>>> You and MS are very wrong about that.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> No you are making your world more important than everyone else's.

>>>> This results in you assuming your limited experience is what happens

>>>> everywhere.

>>>> Exactly the same attitude that has held linux back since it started,

>>>> "of course its easy, I do it ten times a day".

>>>> What is it about some linux users that makes them think they are the

>>>> center of the world and that everyone's experience is the same as

>>>> theirs?

>>>

>>> Dennis gets refuted so, naturally, he resorts to unfounded insults.

>>

>> You are crazy.. there are no insults there.

>

> LOL! Is insulting so natural to you that you aren't aware of doing it?

 

You just don't know what an insult is.

>> There are statements that represent my opinion of you and some others.

>

> Your insulting, lying and unfounded statements.

 

They are not lies.

They certainly aren't unfounded.

AFAICS only you think they are insults.

>

>> If you want insults talk to Frank or one of your "friends" in the Linux

>> groups.

>

> No one has insulted me in the Linux group. You, OTOH, are being dragged

> over the coals there.

 

What do you expect?

They are just living down to the image of linux users in general.

They can't stand to see anyone who can use windows and linux and still posts

from Vista.

Who do you think loses when they do that?

It doesn't matter to me, it does make linux users look stupid.

Its a shame really as I know some very smart linux users, most of whom also

run windows or anything else they fancy.

 

>

>>

>>> Check mate.

>>

>> You couldn't mate me if I had just the king and you had two rooks.

>

> You don't even know when you've lost the argument.

 

What argument?

I stated what I thought of you, there is no argument.

You can say what you like its unlikely to change what I think of you.

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fj0uv2$ni8$2@aioe.org...

> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fj0qnk$5o9$1@aioe.org...

>>

>> 8<

>>

>>> And scam artists like Microsoft try to take complete and total control

>>> of their computers with the WPA and WGA crap.

>>

>> Irrelevant as usual.

>

> Only if you consider users with little computer savvy to be irrelevant.

 

Irrelevant, most users are not computer savvy, which is why they can't run

linux BTW.

Users that are savvy choose whatever is best for the application, not choose

an OS and say "now what can I do with this?".

I know you do this as you still run XP.

But being twofaced you advise everyone else to dump windows and run Uburntu.

>> It is amazing how a small minority of Linux users think they have to

>> compete with windows to be successful.

>

> There's no competition.

 

Correct for a change.

>> Is it surprising that Linux is never a success when it is always playing

>> catch up?

>

> It's usage has doubled this year.

 

Vista has gone from zero to several times that of linux so doubling usage

isn't going to win that argument.

>

>> Catch up with Unix, catch up with NT, catch up with XP, catch up with

>> Vista, what's next?

>

> Linux is growing. Live with it or not, your choice.

>

>> The one laptop project is the first real initiative involving Linux that

>> was purely on a cost basis and involved throwing most of the junk people

>> call Linux in the bin. Its amazing just how much junk you can remove

>> including several windows managers that do nothing at all except tie up

>> development effort that could be used for applications.

>> Will you be embarrassed when a machine with no fancy graphics or features

>> *sells* more seats than can be given away with the Linux distros? You

>> keep saying its the fancy features that will kill windows.. it won't as

>> they are just a pain.

>

> Don't put words in my mouth to make your argument.

 

You say them.

Have you forgotten already?

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:06:03 -0800

>>> Frank <fb@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:38:23 -0800

>>>>> Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:53:29 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com>

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:37:56 +0100, Alias

>>>>>>>>>>>> <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobbygee5 wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My computer has recently been returned after being

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repaired. I know windows was re-installed while it was away

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i now keep getting an icon come up saying i need to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activate windows. When i put my product key in i am told it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is already in use. It is definitely the right product key

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if it is already in use i must be using it so why do i

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep getting a reminder. I have 25 days left to activate

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which sounds a lot but with the help microsoft gives you its

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not long. Can anyone help or advise. Regards Mark.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone

>>>>>>>>>>>>> activators that you're not a thief and maybe they will give

>>>>>>>>>>>>> you permission to use something you bought.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder why you would say that, sir...

>>>>>>>>>>>> Each time I need to activate my OS via phone,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that you have to activate by phone implies that you

>>>>>>>>>>> are a thief until you prove otherwise. And, if you don't

>>>>>>>>>>> activate by phone, you will not be able to use what you paid

>>>>>>>>>>> for.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> the tech asks me two

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> [or more, depending on my answer] questions:

>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) "Please give me the numbers on your screen"

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) "Is this your first time installing this Software?"

>>>>>>>>>>>> If your answer is "Yes", they simply respond with a string

>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers,

>>>>>>>>>>>> which you enter, after which the tech asks you to click on

>>>>>>>>>>>> "OK", which

>>>>>>>>>>>> has always resulted in immediate activation. 3) If your answer

>>>>>>>>>>>> is "No", they will ask a further question:

>>>>>>>>>>>> "Is this the only computer you have installed this OS on?"

>>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on your answer, they will ask further questions:

>>>>>>>>>>>> If your answer to this third question is "Yes", they will

>>>>>>>>>>>> give you a string of numbers, which you will enter. Then they

>>>>>>>>>>>> will direct you to click on "OK", upon which the OS is

>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately activated. If your answer is "no", the outcome

>>>>>>>>>>>> will depend upon your Product ID

>>>>>>>>>>>> type: If it is "OEM", you will be told that the product is

>>>>>>>>>>>> already activated on another machine, and will be directed to

>>>>>>>>>>>> purchase a second license, and the activation will be denied.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If it is "RETAIL", you will be given an opportunity to

>>>>>>>>>>>> explain why it appears that you are installing your product on

>>>>>>>>>>>> more than one machine at once.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> How many paying customers know the difference between an OEM or

>>>>>>>>>>> a retail copy?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Just WHERE in this does one find "grovel to the phone

>>>>>>>>>>>> activators that you're not a thief and maybe they will give

>>>>>>>>>>>> you permission to use something you bought"?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're saying that activation is guaranteed? If so, what's

>>>>>>>>>>> the point of doing it?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> You JUST don't get it yet, do ya, "alias"?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Alias, not alias.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> We've been trying to tell you for years that as far as

>>>>>>>>>>>> Semantics are concerned, there are no grounds for comparison

>>>>>>>>>>>> between a new Ford and an Operating System. They are "apples

>>>>>>>>>>>> and oranges", semantically, as well as opposite polarities,

>>>>>>>>>>>> logically, financially, or legally..

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet you keep trotting out those same poor, worn-out

>>>>>>>>>>>> metaphors.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall using a Ford as an example. You're confusing me

>>>>>>>>>>> with someone else.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, friend,

>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who pays cash for a new Ford receives something he can

>>>>>>>>>>>> grasp with his hands, while the same man who pays cash for a

>>>>>>>>>>>> "copy" of Vista

>>>>>>>>>>>> receives a "LICENSE-to-USE", or "The right to use the provided

>>>>>>>>>>>> media to install and use the software contained on the media

>>>>>>>>>>>> on one [or more] machines *according to the terms* of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> user agreement, which the user agrees to when he installs the

>>>>>>>>>>>> software." This is NOT "a Deed to everything on the media,

>>>>>>>>>>>> including the media itself" [all which are owned lock, stock,

>>>>>>>>>>>> and smoking barrel by the manufacturer and/or author of the

>>>>>>>>>>>> software and media.] You don't seem to be able to grasp this

>>>>>>>>>>>> simple point, friend. The ONLY thing you "own" is a "license

>>>>>>>>>>>> to use the provided media to install the software contained on

>>>>>>>>>>>> the media provided."

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, ''alias", Microsoft owns the disks themselves, as well as

>>>>>>>>>>>> the bits on the disks, and has the right to request them back

>>>>>>>>>>>> at any time,

>>>>>>>>>>>> at its own discretion.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, the Microsoft EULA is not even a formal (or informal)

>>>>>>>>>>>> "deed of ownership". It's simply a "license to install and

>>>>>>>>>>>> use /the software/ on one or

>>>>>>>>>>>> more machines, *according to the terms of the license* agreed

>>>>>>>>>>>> to when initially installing it."

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> This "License to Use" shouldn't be considered to be "real

>>>>>>>>>>>> property" [such as what anyone could see with their eyes, like

>>>>>>>>>>>> a Ford automobile], but lies in the realm somewhere between

>>>>>>>>>>>> "you paid for a copy...", and "but the owner can take it back

>>>>>>>>>>>> if he wants." So really, who owns the product? The one who

>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for a copy, or the one

>>>>>>>>>>>> who paid for its manufacture and distribution? Personally, I

>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that once a manufacturer/author advertises his

>>>>>>>>>>>> product publically [sic], it no longer belongs exclusively to

>>>>>>>>>>>> him, but is

>>>>>>>>>>>> co-owned [quietly] by his paying customers from the first copy

>>>>>>>>>>>> sold.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The same goes for all other creative works, except those the

>>>>>>>>>>>> artist gives to the Public at no cost.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> You might want to consider Open Source or Linux. It's free

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is no activation, becoming genuine or DRM to have

>>>>>>>>>>>>> to put up with. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem to me that if one is to be believed, he must

>>>>>>>>>>>> present an air of genuineness. The best way to do that, if

>>>>>>>>>>>> one is currently NOT genuine, is to become genuine. When the

>>>>>>>>>>>> man does that, he no longer needs to present an air of

>>>>>>>>>>>> genuineness, but is truly "genuine". At that point, he will

>>>>>>>>>>>> then recognize the absolute necessity for defences [sic]

>>>>>>>>>>>> against the non-genuine, who cause things like Windows

>>>>>>>>>>>> Activation and Digital Rights Management to exist in the first

>>>>>>>>>>>> place.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> When I was a child, no one in my neighborhood left their

>>>>>>>>>>>> doors locked.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Why lock the door,when everyone knew if someone needed

>>>>>>>>>>>> something of his, he would be free to take what was necessary

>>>>>>>>>>>> subject, of course, to the mores of the time and common human

>>>>>>>>>>>> decency.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, everyone locks their doors, even from their dearest

>>>>>>>>>>>> friends. Sad.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald L McDaniel

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> You have described Microsoft's scam perfectly. And, Donald,

>>>>>>>>>>> or whatever your real name is, it is a scam and you can't

>>>>>>>>>>> continue

>>>>>>>>>>> to accuse paying customers of being thieves until they prove

>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise and expect stay in business.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Again, "alias", WHERE does Microsoft "accuse paying customers of

>>>>>>>>>> being thieves until they prove otherwise?)

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I personally have NEVER been accused of being a thieves, by

>>>>>>>>>> ANYONE at ANYTIME in my 62 years. I do not see it happening

>>>>>>>>>> during the rest of my stay on the earth.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I see nothing wrong with accusing Microsoft of falsely accusing

>>>>>>>>>> all its customers of being thieves. However, in a court of law,

>>>>>>>>>> one must PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that the charges

>>>>>>>>>> against someone are supportable.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You have failed to support your delusion since the release of XP

>>>>>>>>>> and Microsoft's requirement to activate one's License. Telling

>>>>>>>>>> us your delusion over and over can never "prove" its verity.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The Bible tells us "Let every word be established at the mouth

>>>>>>>>>> of two or more witnesses."

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You seem to be the ONLY one who has consistently made this

>>>>>>>>>> charge over the years. That's definitely NOT "at the mouth of

>>>>>>>>>> two or more witnesses."

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Even I, who dislikes activation as much as the next man, do not

>>>>>>>>>> make such a delusional accusation against Microsoft -- and I am

>>>>>>>>>> sure I've made more than my share of delusional accusations

>>>>>>>>>> againt Microsoft in these newsgroups. But I have NEVER felt as

>>>>>>>>>> if Microsoft were somehow accusing me of

>>>>>>>>>> being a software pirate. In fact, Microsoft has treated me MUCH

>>>>>>>>>> better than I deserve over the years.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> If you feel as if Microsoft is accusing you of being a pirate, I

>>>>>>>>>> suggest that maybe you are. In which case, the guilt you feel

>>>>>>>>>> when you activate your OS is certainly not misplaced.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Donald L McDaniel

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> If you have to prove that your bought Windows not once, but

>>>>>>>>> twice, or MS will make it impossible for you to use the copy of

>>>>>>>>> Windows that you bought, that is called assuming you are guilty

>>>>>>>>> of piracy until you prove otherwise. You, yourself, blinded by MS

>>>>>>>>> FUD, have accused me of piracy with no proof.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> MS says bend over and Donald asks "how far?"

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Got kiss RS's hairy arse you stupid linux lovin lying loser.

>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Again, sigh, Ubuntu does not require that one prove that one

>>>>>>> obtained it legitimately to *anyone*. Ergo, unlike Windows, no ass

>>>>>>> kissing necessary.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Oops.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The pathetic thing is that this has been pointed out to you by many

>>>>>>> but you still repeat the same tired refrain. Course, with your lack

>>>>>>> of any ability to understand, it's not surprising.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> RS is waiting for you and he doesn't like to be kept waiting.

>>>>>> You know what he wants...LOL!

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> And yet even more content flies right over Frank's head. You really

>>>>> have a serious reading comprehension problem, Frank.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I perfectly understand your proper English lies.

>>>> So does everyone else you moron.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> So, are you telling us that, like XP and Vista, one has to activate

>>> Ubuntu and become genuine before being able to use Synaptic and get

>>> software? What *are* you saying besides squawking like a fuçking

>>> wind-up

>>> parrot that repeats "liar, pants on fire!" every time you think you've

>>> been wound up? Huh?

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> You tell me mr liar?

>> Frank

>

>

> Um, the question was directed at you. I've already stated my case. It's

> your turn but all you will do, like a parrot, is repeat the same sad

> refrain.

>

> Alias

 

So you don't really have anything of value to say (as usual).

What a fukkin stupid troll you are.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> dennis@home wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fivfvm$3df$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fiv35k$o18$1@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:#SajX5PNIHA.3852@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You are the one who published here the instructions for the

>>>>>>> activation process, clearly explaining that as long as you "Say"

>>>>>>> you have only one copy it will be activated. Seems to me that the

>>>>>>> dishonest person will say that anyway, which brings us neatly

>>>>>>> back to "What use is it?" If there are 100 people using the same

>>>>>>> product key, 99 of them lying, who ultimately gets to lose out

>>>>>>> when MS finally slam the door? You can bet it will be the single

>>>>>>> honest user.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That user will get the free WGA pack.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Whoop dee doo.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Some of the others might too but M$ err on the side of the customer.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> You're kidding, right? WPA and WGA, by their very nature, are anti

>>>>> customer.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> So anti customer that you run XP.

>>>

>>>

>>> No WGA on my XP machine. You haven't figured out how to keep that off

>>> your machine? LOL! Just because I activated it doesn't mean that I

>>> liked it.

>>

>>

>>>> So anti customer that most don't care.

>>>

>>>

>>> You and MS are very wrong about that.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> No you are making your world more important than everyone else's.

>> This results in you assuming your limited experience is what happens

>> everywhere.

>> Exactly the same attitude that has held linux back since it started,

>> "of course its easy, I do it ten times a day".

>> What is it about some linux users that makes them think they are the

>> center of the world and that everyone's experience is the same as theirs?

>

>

> Dennis gets refuted so, naturally, he resorts to unfounded insults.

>

> Check mate.

>

> Alias

 

hehehe...he's perfectly nailed your stupid fringe ass. You friggin

atheist linux lying loser.

Frank

Alias wrote:

 

>

>

> You don't even know when you've lost the argument.

>

> Alias

 

Ahahaha...you don't even know when you lost the battle...you fool.

Frank

Alias wrote:

>>

>>

>

> And scam artists like Microsoft try to take complete and total control

> of their computers with the WPA and WGA crap.

>

> Alias

 

You are a known and admitted liar, a thief and proly a cheat. You are an

atheist, proly a commie mf and you call MS a "scam"?

You're really rather stupid aren't you, you POS as*hole liar.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Lang Murphy wrote:

>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:OS5yuQbMIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fi3oru$p8e$2@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:%23eFFU62KIHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone

>>>>>>>>> activators that you're not a thief and maybe they will give you

>>>>>>>>> permission to use something you bought.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> As if this is coming from first hand experience. Uh, no?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Lang

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If you're not calling to get permission to use the OS you paid

>>>>>>> for, what, exactly, do you think the call is for, a date with

>>>>>>> Steve Ballmer?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dance all you want... you have no first hand experience with your

>>>>>> previously stated scenario. End of story.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lang

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> You're the one dancing, Lang. If you don't call, your copy of Vista

>>>>> will be rendered useless so you are *obviously* calling to get

>>>>> permission to use something you've paid for and, well, that just

>>>>> ain't right.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> As previously stated... you have no first hand experience. You're

>>>> parroting articles you've read. Anyone can do that. Only folks with

>>>> first hand experience can actually assist anyone in this ng. But, as

>>>> we all know, that's not why you're here.

>>>>

>>>> Lang

>>>

>>>

>>> You can't answer the question so you resort to insults. Trying to

>>> emulate Frank, are ya?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>>

>> Too funny. Like calling MS is such a burden.

>

>

> You're MS' kinda guy. MS says bend over and you ask "how far?"

>

>> You're the one that kicked this whole thing off with your

>> "...grovel..." and "...thief..." comments.

>

>

> Yep, and no one has come ups with a credible reason.

>

>> Like you've ever called into MS to reactivate Vista? Uh, no?

>>

>> Lang

>

>

> Not relevant.

>

> Alias

 

Fukkin liar.

Get lost as*hole!

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>

>>

>>

>> You don't even know when you've lost the argument.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Ahahaha...you don't even know when you lost the battle...you fool.

> Frank

 

Frank's M.O.:

 

1. Engage in personal attacks

2. Set up straw arguments

3. Use red herrings

4. Ignore posts which refute his claims

5. When reminded that his claims have been refuted, demand that the

posts be reposted

6. Play victim

7. Declare himself winner of the debate

9. Threaten his perceived enemies with Hell

10. Claim that pointing out invalid methods of "debate" is an ad

hominem

11. Repeat ad nauseam

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>>>

>>>

>>

>> And scam artists like Microsoft try to take complete and total control

>> of their computers with the WPA and WGA crap.

>>

>> Alias

>

> You are a known and admitted liar, a thief and proly a cheat.

 

None of which can you substantiate or prove. You make things up as you

go along.

> You are an

> atheist,

 

Since when is being an atheist a crime or something bad? Fools like you

believe there is a god cranking out destinies. Then again, you use

Windows, so it's obvious you can't think for yourself.

> proly a commie mf and you call MS a "scam"?

 

MS' licensing plans are just that, scams.

> You're really rather stupid aren't you, you POS as*hole liar.

> Frank

 

Frank's M.O.:

 

1. Engage in personal attacks

2. Set up straw arguments

3. Use red herrings

4. Ignore posts which refute his claims

5. When reminded that his claims have been refuted, demand that the

posts be reposted

6. Play victim

7. Declare himself winner of the debate

9. Threaten his perceived enemies with Hell

10. Claim that pointing out invalid methods of "debate" is an ad

hominem

11. Repeat ad nauseam

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> You don't even know when you've lost the argument.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Ahahaha...you don't even know when you lost the battle...you fool.

>> Frank

>

>

> Frank's M.O.:

>

> 1. Engage in personal attacks

> 2. Set up straw arguments

> 3. Use red herrings

> 4. Ignore posts which refute his claims

> 5. When reminded that his claims have been refuted, demand that the

> posts be reposted

> 6. Play victim

> 7. Declare himself winner of the debate

> 9. Threaten his perceived enemies with Hell

> 10. Claim that pointing out invalid methods of "debate" is an ad

> hominem

> 11. Repeat ad nauseam

>

> Alias

 

alias m.o.

1) Lie.

2) More lies.

3) Keep on lying.

4) Deny you're lying.

5) Lie some more.

6) Admit you're a lair.

7) Deny your a liar.

8) Lie some more.

9) Accuse others of insults.

10) Accuse others of blustering.

11) Then lie about being caught lying.

Repeat as necessary..i.e., ever day, in every post.

 

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> And scam artists like Microsoft try to take complete and total

>>> control of their computers with the WPA and WGA crap.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> You are a known and admitted liar, a thief and proly a cheat.

>

>

> None of which can you substantiate or prove. You make things up as you

> go along.

 

Hahaha...now you're lying about admitting that you're a liar?

Ok, you are a pathological liar. Get some help.

>

>> You are an atheist,

>

>

> Since when is being an atheist a crime or something bad? Fools like you

> believe there is a god cranking out destinies.

 

"god cranking out destinies"...sorry pal, but you obviously are a lot

dumber than I first though. I have, like you have, a God given free will.

 

Then again, you use

> Windows, so it's obvious you can't think for yourself.

 

I, unlike you, am smart enough to earn enough money to be able to

purchase and use Windows.

>

>> proly a commie mf and you call MS a "scam"?

>

>

> MS' licensing plans are just that, scams.

 

Tell us all about "scams", mr liar, mr thief, mr atheist...LOL!

>

>> You're really rather stupid aren't you, you POS as*hole liar.

>> Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You don't even know when you've lost the argument.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Ahahaha...you don't even know when you lost the battle...you fool.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Frank's M.O.:

>>

>> 1. Engage in personal attacks

>> 2. Set up straw arguments

>> 3. Use red herrings

>> 4. Ignore posts which refute his claims

>> 5. When reminded that his claims have been refuted, demand that the

>> posts be reposted

>> 6. Play victim

>> 7. Declare himself winner of the debate

>> 9. Threaten his perceived enemies with Hell

>> 10. Claim that pointing out invalid methods of "debate" is an ad

>> hominem

>> 11. Repeat ad nauseam

>>

>> Alias

>

> alias m.o.

> 1) Lie.

> 2) More lies.

> 3) Keep on lying.

> 4) Deny you're lying.

> 5) Lie some more.

> 6) Admit you're a lair.

> 7) Deny your a liar.

> 8) Lie some more.

> 9) Accuse others of insults.

> 10) Accuse others of blustering.

> 11) Then lie about being caught lying.

> Repeat as necessary..i.e., ever day, in every post.

>

> Frank

 

Yet Frank can't come up with one single lie I have told. Everyone act

surprised.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> You don't even know when you've lost the argument.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Ahahaha...you don't even know when you lost the battle...you fool.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Frank's M.O.:

>>>

>>> 1. Engage in personal attacks

>>> 2. Set up straw arguments

>>> 3. Use red herrings

>>> 4. Ignore posts which refute his claims

>>> 5. When reminded that his claims have been refuted, demand that the

>>> posts be reposted

>>> 6. Play victim

>>> 7. Declare himself winner of the debate

>>> 9. Threaten his perceived enemies with Hell

>>> 10. Claim that pointing out invalid methods of "debate" is an ad

>>> hominem

>>> 11. Repeat ad nauseam

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> alias m.o.

>> 1) Lie.

>> 2) More lies.

>> 3) Keep on lying.

>> 4) Deny you're lying.

>> 5) Lie some more.

>> 6) Admit you're a lair.

>> 7) Deny your a liar.

>> 8) Lie some more.

>> 9) Accuse others of insults.

>> 10) Accuse others of blustering.

>> 11) Then lie about being caught lying.

>> Repeat as necessary..i.e., ever day, in every post.

>>

>> Frank

>

>

> Yet Frank can't come up with one single lie I have told. Everyone act

> surprised.

>

> Alias

 

 

You must be suffering from dementia, or else you think you can now, once

again, lie your way out of another lie.

You are one pathetic piece of sh*t.

Frank

 

Oh, and everyone is not at all surprise that you'd try and lie your way

out of another one of your lies.

You are sick!

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You don't even know when you've lost the argument.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Ahahaha...you don't even know when you lost the battle...you fool.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Frank's M.O.:

>>>>

>>>> 1. Engage in personal attacks

>>>> 2. Set up straw arguments

>>>> 3. Use red herrings

>>>> 4. Ignore posts which refute his claims

>>>> 5. When reminded that his claims have been refuted, demand that the

>>>> posts be reposted

>>>> 6. Play victim

>>>> 7. Declare himself winner of the debate

>>>> 9. Threaten his perceived enemies with Hell

>>>> 10. Claim that pointing out invalid methods of "debate" is an ad

>>>> hominem

>>>> 11. Repeat ad nauseam

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> alias m.o.

>>> 1) Lie.

>>> 2) More lies.

>>> 3) Keep on lying.

>>> 4) Deny you're lying.

>>> 5) Lie some more.

>>> 6) Admit you're a lair.

>>> 7) Deny your a liar.

>>> 8) Lie some more.

>>> 9) Accuse others of insults.

>>> 10) Accuse others of blustering.

>>> 11) Then lie about being caught lying.

>>> Repeat as necessary..i.e., ever day, in every post.

>>>

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Yet Frank can't come up with one single lie I have told. Everyone act

>> surprised.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> You must be suffering from dementia, or else you think you can now, once

> again, lie your way out of another lie.

> You are one pathetic piece of sh*t.

> Frank

>

> Oh, and everyone is not at all surprise that you'd try and lie your way

> out of another one of your lies.

> You are sick!

 

Like I said, Frank can't come up with one single lie I have told and all

he can do is repeat the same tired, cliché and insult riddled refrain.

 

Alias

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:#SajX5PNIHA.3852@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

>

>> You are the one who published here the instructions for the activation

>> process, clearly explaining that as long as you "Say" you have only

>> one copy it will be activated. Seems to me that the dishonest person

>> will say that anyway, which brings us neatly back to "What use is it?"

>> If there are 100 people using the same product key, 99 of them lying,

>> who ultimately gets to lose out when MS finally slam the door? You can

>> bet it will be the single honest user.

>>

>

> That user will get the free WGA pack.

> Some of the others might too but M$ err on the side of the customer.

 

 

So, "What use is it"?

 

We seem to keep digging here don't we?

 

"If this damned inconvenience ultimately led to catching some "Mr Big"

in the piracy business I could see some mitigation, however if they

simply note that there are 99 stolen copies out there and then give away

a free one we appear to be back to the above...

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:

> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

> wrote:

>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:53:29 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:37:56 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> nobbygee5 wrote:

>>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>>> My computer has recently been returned after being repaired.

>>>>>>> I know windows was re-installed while it was away and i now keep

>>>>>>> getting an icon come up saying i need to activate windows. When i

>>>>>>> put my product key in i am told it is already in use. It is

>>>>>>> definitely the right product key and if it is already in use i

>>>>>>> must be using it so why do i keep getting a reminder. I have 25

>>>>>>> days left to activate which sounds a lot but with the help

>>>>>>> microsoft gives you its not long. Can anyone help or advise.

>>>>>>> Regards Mark.

>>>>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators

>>>>>> that you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to

>>>>>> use something you bought.

>>>>> I wonder why you would say that, sir...

>>>>> Each time I need to activate my OS via phone,

>>>> The fact that you have to activate by phone implies that you are a

>>>> thief until you prove otherwise. And, if you don't activate by

>>>> phone, you will not be able to use what you paid for.

>>>>

>>>> the tech asks me two

>>>>> [or more, depending on my answer] questions:

>>>>> 1) "Please give me the numbers on your screen"

>>>>>

>>>>> 2) "Is this your first time installing this Software?"

>>>>> If your answer is "Yes", they simply respond with a string of numbers,

>>>>> which you enter, after which the tech asks you to click on "OK", which

>>>>> has always resulted in immediate activation. 3) If your answer is

>>>>> "No", they will ask a further question:

>>>>> "Is this the only computer you have installed this OS on?"

>>>>> Depending on your answer, they will ask further questions:

>>>>> If your answer to this third question is "Yes", they will give you

>>>>> a string of numbers, which you will enter. Then they will direct you

>>>>> to click on "OK", upon which the OS is immediately activated.

>>>>> If your answer is "no", the outcome will depend upon your Product ID

>>>>> type: If it is "OEM", you will be told that the product is already

>>>>> activated on another machine, and will be directed to purchase a

>>>>> second license, and the activation will be denied.

>>>>> If it is "RETAIL", you will be given an opportunity to explain why

>>>>> it appears that you are installing your product on more than one

>>>>> machine at once.

>>>> How many paying customers know the difference between an OEM or a

>>>> retail copy?

>>>>

>>>>> Just WHERE in this does one find "grovel to the phone activators that

>>>>> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

>>>>> something you bought"?

>>>> So, you're saying that activation is guaranteed? If so, what's the

>>>> point of doing it?

>>>>

>>>>> You JUST don't get it yet, do ya, "alias"?

>>>> Alias, not alias.

>>>>

>>>>> We've been trying to tell you for years that as far as Semantics are

>>>>> concerned, there are no grounds for comparison between a new Ford and

>>>>> an Operating System. They are "apples and oranges", semantically, as

>>>>> well as opposite polarities, logically, financially, or legally..

>>>>>

>>>>> Yet you keep trotting out those same poor, worn-out metaphors.

>>>> I don't recall using a Ford as an example. You're confusing me with

>>>> someone else.

>>>>

>>>>> Again, friend,

>>>>> A man who pays cash for a new Ford receives something he can grasp

>>>>> with his hands, while the same man who pays cash for a "copy" of Vista

>>>>> receives a "LICENSE-to-USE", or "The right to use the provided media

>>>>> to install and use the software contained on the media on one [or

>>>>> more] machines *according to the terms* of the user agreement, which

>>>>> the user agrees to when he installs the software." This is NOT "a

>>>>> Deed to everything on the media, including the media

>>>>> itself" [all which are owned lock, stock, and smoking barrel by the

>>>>> manufacturer and/or author of the software and media.]

>>>>> You don't seem to be able to grasp this simple point, friend. The

>>>>> ONLY thing you "own" is a "license to use the provided media to

>>>>> install the software contained on the media provided."

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes, ''alias", Microsoft owns the disks themselves, as well as the

>>>>> bits on the disks, and has the right to request them back at any time,

>>>>> at its own discretion.

>>>>>

>>>>> In fact, the Microsoft EULA is not even a formal (or informal) "deed

>>>>> of ownership". It's simply a "license to install and use /the

>>>>> software/ on one or

>>>>> more machines, *according to the terms of the license* agreed to when

>>>>> initially installing it."

>>>>>

>>>>> This "License to Use" shouldn't be considered to be "real property"

>>>>> [such as what anyone could see with their eyes, like a Ford

>>>>> automobile], but lies in the realm somewhere between "you paid for a

>>>>> copy...", and "but the owner can take it back if he wants." So

>>>>> really, who owns the product? The one who paid for a copy, or the one

>>>>> who paid for its manufacture and distribution? Personally, I

>>>>> believe that once a manufacturer/author advertises his

>>>>> product publically [sic], it no longer belongs exclusively to him,

>>>>> but is

>>>>> co-owned [quietly] by his paying customers from the first copy sold.

>>>>>

>>>>> The same goes for all other creative works, except those the artist

>>>>> gives to the Public at no cost.

>>>>>

>>>>>> You might want to consider Open Source or Linux. It's free and

>>>>>> there is no activation, becoming genuine or DRM to have to put up

>>>>>> with. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>>>> It would seem to me that if one is to be believed, he must present an

>>>>> air of genuineness. The best way to do that, if one is currently NOT

>>>>> genuine, is to become genuine. When the man does that, he no longer

>>>>> needs to present an air of genuineness, but is truly "genuine". At

>>>>> that point, he will then recognize the absolute necessity for

>>>>> defences [sic]

>>>>> against the non-genuine, who cause things like Windows Activation and

>>>>> Digital Rights Management to exist in the first place.

>>>>>

>>>>> When I was a child, no one in my neighborhood left their doors locked.

>>>>> Why lock the door,when everyone knew if someone needed something of

>>>>> his, he would be free to take what was necessary subject, of course,

>>>>> to the mores of the time and common human decency.

>>>>>

>>>>> Now, everyone locks their doors, even from their dearest friends.

>>>>> Sad.

>>>>>

>>>>> Donald L McDaniel

>>>> You have described Microsoft's scam perfectly. And, Donald, or

>>>> whatever your real name is, it is a scam and you can't continue to

>>>> accuse paying customers of being thieves until they prove otherwise

>>>> and expect stay in business.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Again, "alias", WHERE does Microsoft "accuse paying customers of being

>>> thieves until they prove otherwise?)

>>>

>>> I personally have NEVER been accused of being a thieves, by ANYONE at

>>> ANYTIME in my 62 years. I do not see it happening during the rest of

>>> my stay on the earth.

>>

>>

>> This would be correct because MS is not an ANYONE. It is a

>> corporation which considers paying customers guilty until proven

>> innocent everytime they need to activate or go through a 'genuine' check.

>>

>>>

>>> I see nothing wrong with accusing Microsoft of falsely accusing all

>>> its customers of being thieves. However, in a court of law, one must

>>> PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that the charges against someone are

>>> supportable.

>

> Sorry, I meant to add:

> And when has MS done this with a home user? When will they? They are

> chicken sh!t that it will not stand up in a court of law, this is why

> they have not done this.

>

> Instead they hide behind the faulty, incorrect piracy accusations that

> their buggy WPA and WGA/N software levels at paying users.

>

> That is just like walking out of a retail store with your item and the

> receipt that shows you paid for it in the bag with the store manager or

> security running after you saying, "Wait, stop! Thief... Thief!"

 

Perhaps we will soon see the "Microsoft Greeter"... they could use Peedy?

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:

> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:50:50 GMT, "Brian W"

>> <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:O3$tMVbMIHA.5172@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> How many paying customers know the difference between an OEM or a

>>>> retail copy?

>>>>

>>> Even MS don't know apparently. I re-activated my generic OEM Vista by

>>> telling the operator I purchased it in a retail store (which is

>>> technically true, even though it isn't a 'retail' version).

>>

>> Which only proves what I have been saying all along: The Activation

>> techs are told by Microsoft to bend over backward in ensuring that

>> customers leave the phone with a POSITIVE experience, whether they

>> deserve it or not.

>>

>> They are TRULY committed to their customers' satisfaction.

>> Unlike many others.

>>

>> Donald L McDaniel.

>

> Wow, Ok, I'm flabbergasted after reading this post. Daniel, you are so

> out of touch with reality if you think MS is 'TRULY committed to their

> customers' satisfaction'!

>

>

 

 

This week is "Be nice to pirates" week ?

 

So here we go again, "What use is it?"

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:18:20 -0600, The poster formerly known as 'The

Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy' <none@none.not> wrote:

>Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:50:50 GMT, "Brian W"

>> <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:O3$tMVbMIHA.5172@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> How many paying customers know the difference between an OEM or a retail

>>>> copy?

>>>>

>>> Even MS don't know apparently. I re-activated my generic OEM Vista by

>>> telling the operator I purchased it in a retail store (which is technically

>>> true, even though it isn't a 'retail' version).

>>

>> Which only proves what I have been saying all along: The Activation

>> techs are told by Microsoft to bend over backward in ensuring that

>> customers leave the phone with a POSITIVE experience, whether they

>> deserve it or not.

>>

>> They are TRULY committed to their customers' satisfaction.

>> Unlike many others.

>>

>> Donald L McDaniel.

>

>Wow, Ok, I'm flabbergasted after reading this post. Daniel, you are so

>out of touch with reality if you think MS is 'TRULY committed to their

>customers' satisfaction'!

 

Evidently, sir, YOU seem to be the one who is out of touch with

reality, since you cannot even tell the difference between a surname

and a Christian name.

 

I have been using Microsoft OSes since the 80's, and have never found

Microsoft to be uncommitted to their customer's satisfaction.

 

Donald L McDaniel