Donald L McDaniel wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:15:30 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fhusma$olj$2@aioe.org...

>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:e6agDUxKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Oh, by the way...they don't like you there either...LOL

>>>>>> Not been my experience. My experience is that I have received very

>>>>>> helpful suggestions there.

>>>>> I wouldn't count on that.. not now they know you are a troll.

>>>> Whatever. I have not been called a troll there by anyone. You have,

>>>> though, many times.

>>> Its the normal response of linux users when they are losing an argument

>>> on facts.

>>> You know when you have won as soon as the insults start which is usually

>>> within a couple of posts with linux users.

>> With that logic, poor Frank has lost *every* debate.

>>

>>> Some of them are such morons that they think its impossible to use

>>> windows as it suffers from "bit rot". It just shows how stupid they are.

>> Sorry, I don't lump Windows or Linux users into one stereotype. I have

>> met really intelligent people that use both, really out of it people

>> that use both and everything in between.

>

> Please, alias, use proper English?

 

Than capitalize Alias, will ya?

> I would replace "people that use" with "people who use",

 

Not necessary, "who" and "that" -- in this case -- are interchangeable.

> and "really

> out of it people that use" with "really out-of-it people who use..."

 

You're right but so what?

> "That" is normally used with non-human nouns, rather than nouns

> referring to human beings.

 

Like in "that man is a nit picker"?

>> For the record, I use Windows XP for three things: games, to configure

>> my UPS and business email. Ubuntu is great but they still don't have an

>> email/calendar/tasks/notes program like Outlook 03.

>>

>> Alias

>>

>> P.S. Note I am using Ubuntu Gutsy while posting from T-Bird's Linux version.

>

> Aren't you forgetting "Evolution" for Linux? It works just fine, has

> all the abilities you refer to, and looks much like Outlook '03.

 

Actually, not true. It lacks the ability to properly use html fonts in

different colors and people who receive mail, no matter what font you

think Evolution is sending it in, see Times New Roman. It's search

feature isn't as good. The Calender, tasks, contacts, etc. are pretty

much the same.

> If

> I'm not mistaken, its RPM is included on the Ubuntu installation

> disks, or may be downloaded from Evolution's web site.

>

> Or, go here: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/download.shtml

>

> Donald McDaniel.

 

Evolution is installed by default in Ubuntu and as the default email

program. Maybe if you actually install Ubuntu and actually check

Evolution out, you could come up with a better assessment.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:15:30 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fhusma$olj$2@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:e6agDUxKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Oh, by the way...they don't like you there either...LOL

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Not been my experience. My experience is that I have received

>>>>>>> very helpful suggestions there.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I wouldn't count on that.. not now they know you are a troll.

>>>>>

>>>>> Whatever. I have not been called a troll there by anyone. You have,

>>>>> though, many times.

>>>>

>>>> Its the normal response of linux users when they are losing an

>>>> argument on facts.

>>>> You know when you have won as soon as the insults start which is

>>>> usually within a couple of posts with linux users.

>>>

>>> With that logic, poor Frank has lost *every* debate.

>>>

>>>> Some of them are such morons that they think its impossible to use

>>>> windows as it suffers from "bit rot". It just shows how stupid they

>>>> are.

>>>

>>> Sorry, I don't lump Windows or Linux users into one stereotype. I

>>> have met really intelligent people that use both, really out of it

>>> people that use both and everything in between.

>>

>>

>> Please, alias, use proper English?

>

>

> Than capitalize Alias, will ya?

>

>> I would replace "people that use" with "people who use",

>

>

> Not necessary, "who" and "that" -- in this case -- are interchangeable.

>

>> and "really

>> out of it people that use" with "really out-of-it people who use..."

>

>

> You're right but so what?

>

>> "That" is normally used with non-human nouns, rather than nouns

>> referring to human beings.

>

>

> Like in "that man is a nit picker"?

>

>>> For the record, I use Windows XP for three things: games, to

>>> configure my UPS and business email. Ubuntu is great but they still

>>> don't have an email/calendar/tasks/notes program like Outlook 03.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>>

>>> P.S. Note I am using Ubuntu Gutsy while posting from T-Bird's Linux

>>> version.

>>

>>

>> Aren't you forgetting "Evolution" for Linux? It works just fine, has

>> all the abilities you refer to, and looks much like Outlook '03.

>

>

> Actually, not true. It lacks the ability to properly use html fonts in

> different colors and people who receive mail, no matter what font you

> think Evolution is sending it in, see Times New Roman. It's search

> feature isn't as good. The Calender, tasks, contacts, etc. are pretty

> much the same.

>

>> If

>> I'm not mistaken, its RPM is included on the Ubuntu installation

>> disks, or may be downloaded from Evolution's web site.

>>

>> Or, go here: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/download.shtml

>>

>> Donald McDaniel.

>

>

> Evolution is installed by default in Ubuntu and as the default email

> program. Maybe if you actually install Ubuntu and actually check

> Evolution out, you could come up with a better assessment.

>

> Alias

 

hehehehe...not that bright are you...lol!

Frank

"NoStop" <nospam@nspam.com> wrote in message

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> dennis@home wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fhusma$olj$2@aioe.org...

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:e6agDUxKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> Oh, by the way...they don't like you there either...LOL

>>>>>

>>>>> Not been my experience. My experience is that I have received very

>>>>> helpful suggestions there.

>>>>

>>>> I wouldn't count on that.. not now they know you are a troll.

>>>

>>> Whatever. I have not been called a troll there by anyone. You have,

>>> though, many times.

>>

>> Its the normal response of linux users when they are losing an argument

>> on

>> facts.

>> You know when you have won as soon as the insults start which is usually

>> within a couple of posts with linux users.

>

> And even less when it comes to Windoze fanboys like you and Frankie.

>

> Cheers.

>

>> Some of them are such morons that they think its impossible to use

>> windows

>> as it suffers from "bit rot". It just shows how stupid they are.

>

> You sure are an ignorant numfuck, aren't you. Geez.

>

> --

> Ubuntu 7.10 ... wow!

> http//www.ubuntu.com

 

And You Are A Douche Bag. Just FYI

"NoStop" <nospam@nspam.com> wrote in message

news:ZI21j.19064$PE.4795@pd7urf1no...

> forty-nine wrote:

>

>> "bjr" <bj-nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> news:uP2eoBxKIHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Time to take your juvenile act to another newsgroup far far away.If

>>> people want to hear your Ubuntu drivel, they can go to the Linux groups

>>> with you.

>>>

>>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> I post more in the ubuntu group than Aliass does.

>

> You certainly do and you show your stupidity with every post you make

> there.

>

> Cheers.

>

> --

> Ubuntu 7.10 ... wow!

> http//www.ubuntu.com

 

Oh Wow. Alias Number 2 - Think That Ubuntu Is The Greatest. Only For

Mentally Handicapped Nimrods Like Yourself. Just FYI

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23eFFU62KIHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Lang Murphy wrote:

>> <snip>

>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators that

>>> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

>>> something you bought.

>> <snip>

>>

>> As if this is coming from first hand experience. Uh, no?

>>

>> Lang

>

> If you're not calling to get permission to use the OS you paid for, what,

> exactly, do you think the call is for, a date with Steve Ballmer?

>

> Alias

 

 

Dance all you want... you have no first hand experience with your previously

stated scenario. End of story.

 

Lang

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

news:eNGrP8JLIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

 

8<

>> Please, alias, use proper English?

>

> Than capitalize Alias, will ya?

>

 

Err.. alias isn't a name so it does not need capitalization in English.

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:eNGrP8JLIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>

> 8<

>

>>> Please, alias, use proper English?

>>

>> Than capitalize Alias, will ya?

>>

>

> Err.. alias isn't a name so it does not need capitalization in English.

 

False. Any word can be a name in English. There are people in the States

who have named their children anything from Pepsi to Atlasta. All are

legal names. I am using it as a name so it should therefore be capitalized.

 

Alias

Lang Murphy wrote:

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23eFFU62KIHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>> <snip>

>>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators

>>>> that you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to

>>>> use something you bought.

>>> <snip>

>>>

>>> As if this is coming from first hand experience. Uh, no?

>>>

>>> Lang

>>

>> If you're not calling to get permission to use the OS you paid for,

>> what, exactly, do you think the call is for, a date with Steve Ballmer?

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> Dance all you want... you have no first hand experience with your

> previously stated scenario. End of story.

>

> Lang

 

You're the one dancing, Lang. If you don't call, your copy of Vista will

be rendered useless so you are *obviously* calling to get permission to

use something you've paid for and, well, that just ain't right.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> dennis@home wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:eNGrP8JLIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>

>>

>> 8<

>>

>>>> Please, alias, use proper English?

>>>

>>>

>>> Than capitalize Alias, will ya?

>>>

>>

>> Err.. alias isn't a name so it does not need capitalization in English.

>

>

> False. Any word can be a name in English. There are people in the States

> who have named their children anything from Pepsi to Atlasta. All are

> legal names. I am using it as a name so it should therefore be capitalized.

>

> Alias

 

Pathetic!

Frank

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:31:43 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:15:30 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fhusma$olj$2@aioe.org...

>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:e6agDUxKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Oh, by the way...they don't like you there either...LOL

>>>>>>> Not been my experience. My experience is that I have received very

>>>>>>> helpful suggestions there.

>>>>>> I wouldn't count on that.. not now they know you are a troll.

>>>>> Whatever. I have not been called a troll there by anyone. You have,

>>>>> though, many times.

>>>> Its the normal response of linux users when they are losing an argument

>>>> on facts.

>>>> You know when you have won as soon as the insults start which is usually

>>>> within a couple of posts with linux users.

>>> With that logic, poor Frank has lost *every* debate.

>>>

>>>> Some of them are such morons that they think its impossible to use

>>>> windows as it suffers from "bit rot". It just shows how stupid they are.

>>> Sorry, I don't lump Windows or Linux users into one stereotype. I have

>>> met really intelligent people that use both, really out of it people

>>> that use both and everything in between.

>>

>> Please, alias, use proper English?

>

>Than capitalize Alias, will ya?

>

>> I would replace "people that use" with "people who use",

>

>Not necessary, "who" and "that" -- in this case -- are interchangeable.

>

>> and "really

>> out of it people that use" with "really out-of-it people who use..."

>

>You're right but so what?

>

>> "That" is normally used with non-human nouns, rather than nouns

>> referring to human beings.

>

>Like in "that man is a nit picker"?

>

>>> For the record, I use Windows XP for three things: games, to configure

>>> my UPS and business email. Ubuntu is great but they still don't have an

>>> email/calendar/tasks/notes program like Outlook 03.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>>

>>> P.S. Note I am using Ubuntu Gutsy while posting from T-Bird's Linux version.

>>

>> Aren't you forgetting "Evolution" for Linux? It works just fine, has

>> all the abilities you refer to, and looks much like Outlook '03.

>

>Actually, not true. It lacks the ability to properly use html fonts in

>different colors and people who receive mail, no matter what font you

>think Evolution is sending it in, see Times New Roman. It's search

>feature isn't as good. The Calender, tasks, contacts, etc. are pretty

>much the same.

>

>> If

>> I'm not mistaken, its RPM is included on the Ubuntu installation

>> disks, or may be downloaded from Evolution's web site.

>>

>> Or, go here: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/download.shtml

>>

>> Donald McDaniel.

>

>Evolution is installed by default in Ubuntu and as the default email

>program. Maybe if you actually install Ubuntu and actually check

>Evolution out, you could come up with a better assessment.

>

>Alias

 

Points well-taken, "Alias".

 

However, I've Installed several versions of Ubuntu in the past year or

two, so I am very familiar with Evolution. Which is one of the

reasons I don't use Linux. It's actually a fairly-good replacement

for Microsoft Outlook, and is much cheaper [short-term], but like the

majority of Linux applications, it has an air of being set aside every

now and then to load another bowl out of boredom and frustration, and

then picked up again a week later while doing regular housekeeping..

 

Maybe now that Novell owns it, it will be improved by their

professional software engineers. It's definitely suffered at the

hands of the Open Source Community long enough.

 

Donald L McDaniel

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:21:14 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:eNGrP8JLIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>

>> 8<

>>

>>>> Please, alias, use proper English?

>>>

>>> Than capitalize Alias, will ya?

>>>

>>

>> Err.. alias isn't a name so it does not need capitalization in English.

>

>False. Any word can be a name in English. There are people in the States

>who have named their children anything from Pepsi to Atlasta. All are

>legal names. I am using it as a name so it should therefore be capitalized.

>

>Alias

 

If it floats your boat to claim to be named "Alias", then it floats

your boat. Far be it for me to find fault with your slaughtered

English.

 

However, I can not in good conscience refer to you in this newsgroup

as anything but ' "alias" ', since that is the common way of referring

to an alias [sometimes, called "a nom de plume", "pen name", or "also

known as", or "A.K.A such and such"] in writing, no matter what the

person using the "alias" wants to claim to have named himself.

 

The proper way to refer to an alias called "alias" in writing is

[start-Quote]alias[End-Quote], WITHOUT capitalization, since it is not

a person's name or a proper noun, but rather an "alias", used to HIDE

the person's true identity.

 

Note, sir, that I never hide my true identity, warts and all.

Apparently, neither do you.

 

Donald L McDaniel

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:37:56 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>nobbygee5 wrote:

>> Hi,

>> My computer has recently been returned after being repaired. I know

>> windows was re-installed while it was away and i now keep getting an icon

>> come up saying i need to activate windows. When i put my product key in i am

>> told it is already in use. It is definitely the right product key and if it

>> is already in use i must be using it so why do i keep getting a reminder. I

>> have 25 days left to activate which sounds a lot but with the help microsoft

>> gives you its not long. Can anyone help or advise.

>> Regards Mark.

>

>

>You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators that

>you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

>something you bought.

 

I wonder why you would say that, sir...

Each time I need to activate my OS via phone, the tech asks me two

[or more, depending on my answer] questions:

1) "Please give me the numbers on your screen"

 

2) "Is this your first time installing this Software?"

If your answer is "Yes", they simply respond with a string of numbers,

which you enter, after which the tech asks you to click on "OK", which

has always resulted in immediate activation.

3) If your answer is "No", they will ask a further question:

"Is this the only computer you have installed this OS on?"

Depending on your answer, they will ask further questions:

If your answer to this third question is "Yes", they will give you

a string of numbers, which you will enter. Then they will direct you

to click on "OK", upon which the OS is immediately activated.

If your answer is "no", the outcome will depend upon your Product ID

type:

If it is "OEM", you will be told that the product is already

activated on another machine, and will be directed to purchase a

second license, and the activation will be denied.

If it is "RETAIL", you will be given an opportunity to explain why

it appears that you are installing your product on more than one

machine at once.

 

Just WHERE in this does one find "grovel to the phone activators that

you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

something you bought"?

 

You JUST don't get it yet, do ya, "alias"?

We've been trying to tell you for years that as far as Semantics are

concerned, there are no grounds for comparison between a new Ford and

an Operating System. They are "apples and oranges", semantically, as

well as opposite polarities, logically, financially, or legally..

 

Yet you keep trotting out those same poor, worn-out metaphors.

 

Again, friend,

A man who pays cash for a new Ford receives something he can grasp

with his hands, while the same man who pays cash for a "copy" of Vista

receives a "LICENSE-to-USE", or "The right to use the provided media

to install and use the software contained on the media on one [or

more] machines *according to the terms* of the user agreement, which

the user agrees to when he installs the software."

 

This is NOT "a Deed to everything on the media, including the media

itself" [all which are owned lock, stock, and smoking barrel by the

manufacturer and/or author of the software and media.]

 

You don't seem to be able to grasp this simple point, friend. The

ONLY thing you "own" is a "license to use the provided media to

install the software contained on the media provided."

 

Yes, ''alias", Microsoft owns the disks themselves, as well as the

bits on the disks, and has the right to request them back at any time,

at its own discretion.

 

In fact, the Microsoft EULA is not even a formal (or informal) "deed

of ownership".

 

It's simply a "license to install and use /the software/ on one or

more machines, *according to the terms of the license* agreed to when

initially installing it."

 

This "License to Use" shouldn't be considered to be "real property"

[such as what anyone could see with their eyes, like a Ford

automobile], but lies in the realm somewhere between "you paid for a

copy...", and "but the owner can take it back if he wants." So

really, who owns the product? The one who paid for a copy, or the one

who paid for its manufacture and distribution?

 

Personally, I believe that once a manufacturer/author advertises his

product publically, it no longer belongs exclusively to him, but is

co-owned [quietly] by his paying customers from the first copy sold.

 

The same goes for all other creative works, except those the artist

gives to the Public at no cost.

>You might want to consider Open Source or Linux. It's free and there is

>no activation, becoming genuine or DRM to have to put up with. Check it

>out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

 

It would seem to me that if one is to be believed, he must present an

air of genuineness. The best way to do that, if one is currently NOT

genuine, is to become genuine. When the man does that, he no longer

needs to present an air of genuineness, but is truly "genuine". At

that point, he will then recognize the absolute necessity for defences

against the non-genuine, who cause things like Windows Activation and

Digital Rights Management to exist in the first place.

 

When I was a child, no one in my neighborhood left their doors locked.

Why lock the door,when everyone knew if someone needed something of

his, he would be free to take what was necessary subject, of course,

to the mores of the time and common human decency.

 

Now, everyone locks their doors, even from their dearest friends.

Sad.

 

Donald L McDaniel

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fi3oru$p8e$2@aioe.org...

> Lang Murphy wrote:

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23eFFU62KIHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>> <snip>

>>>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators that

>>>>> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

>>>>> something you bought.

>>>> <snip>

>>>>

>>>> As if this is coming from first hand experience. Uh, no?

>>>>

>>>> Lang

>>>

>>> If you're not calling to get permission to use the OS you paid for,

>>> what, exactly, do you think the call is for, a date with Steve Ballmer?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Dance all you want... you have no first hand experience with your

>> previously stated scenario. End of story.

>>

>> Lang

>

> You're the one dancing, Lang. If you don't call, your copy of Vista will

> be rendered useless so you are *obviously* calling to get permission to

> use something you've paid for and, well, that just ain't right.

>

> Alias

 

 

As previously stated... you have no first hand experience. You're parroting

articles you've read. Anyone can do that. Only folks with first hand

experience can actually assist anyone in this ng. But, as we all know,

that's not why you're here.

 

Lang

Donald L McDaniel wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:21:14 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eNGrP8JLIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>> 8<

>>>

>>>>> Please, alias, use proper English?

>>>> Than capitalize Alias, will ya?

>>>>

>>> Err.. alias isn't a name so it does not need capitalization in English.

>> False. Any word can be a name in English. There are people in the States

>> who have named their children anything from Pepsi to Atlasta. All are

>> legal names. I am using it as a name so it should therefore be capitalized.

>>

>> Alias

>

> If it floats your boat to claim to be named "Alias", then it floats

> your boat. Far be it for me to find fault with your slaughtered

> English.

 

*Any* word can be a name and if it's used as a name, it should be

capitalized.

> Note, sir, that I never hide my true identity, warts and all.

> Apparently, neither do you.

>

> Donald L McDaniel

 

How do we know your real name is Donald L McDaniel? We don't know any

more than if Alias is my name.

 

Alias

Lang Murphy wrote:

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fi3oru$p8e$2@aioe.org...

>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23eFFU62KIHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators

>>>>>> that you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to

>>>>>> use something you bought.

>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>

>>>>> As if this is coming from first hand experience. Uh, no?

>>>>>

>>>>> Lang

>>>>

>>>> If you're not calling to get permission to use the OS you paid for,

>>>> what, exactly, do you think the call is for, a date with Steve Ballmer?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Dance all you want... you have no first hand experience with your

>>> previously stated scenario. End of story.

>>>

>>> Lang

>>

>> You're the one dancing, Lang. If you don't call, your copy of Vista

>> will be rendered useless so you are *obviously* calling to get

>> permission to use something you've paid for and, well, that just ain't

>> right.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> As previously stated... you have no first hand experience. You're

> parroting articles you've read. Anyone can do that. Only folks with

> first hand experience can actually assist anyone in this ng. But, as we

> all know, that's not why you're here.

>

> Lang

 

You can't answer the question so you resort to insults. Trying to

emulate Frank, are ya?

 

Alias

Donald L McDaniel wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:37:56 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>

>> nobbygee5 wrote:

>>> Hi,

>>> My computer has recently been returned after being repaired. I know

>>> windows was re-installed while it was away and i now keep getting an icon

>>> come up saying i need to activate windows. When i put my product key in i am

>>> told it is already in use. It is definitely the right product key and if it

>>> is already in use i must be using it so why do i keep getting a reminder. I

>>> have 25 days left to activate which sounds a lot but with the help microsoft

>>> gives you its not long. Can anyone help or advise.

>>> Regards Mark.

>>

>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators that

>> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

>> something you bought.

>

> I wonder why you would say that, sir...

> Each time I need to activate my OS via phone,

 

The fact that you have to activate by phone implies that you are a thief

until you prove otherwise. And, if you don't activate by phone, you

will not be able to use what you paid for.

 

the tech asks me two

> [or more, depending on my answer] questions:

> 1) "Please give me the numbers on your screen"

>

> 2) "Is this your first time installing this Software?"

> If your answer is "Yes", they simply respond with a string of numbers,

> which you enter, after which the tech asks you to click on "OK", which

> has always resulted in immediate activation.

> 3) If your answer is "No", they will ask a further question:

> "Is this the only computer you have installed this OS on?"

> Depending on your answer, they will ask further questions:

> If your answer to this third question is "Yes", they will give you

> a string of numbers, which you will enter. Then they will direct you

> to click on "OK", upon which the OS is immediately activated.

> If your answer is "no", the outcome will depend upon your Product ID

> type:

> If it is "OEM", you will be told that the product is already

> activated on another machine, and will be directed to purchase a

> second license, and the activation will be denied.

> If it is "RETAIL", you will be given an opportunity to explain why

> it appears that you are installing your product on more than one

> machine at once.

 

How many paying customers know the difference between an OEM or a retail

copy?

>

> Just WHERE in this does one find "grovel to the phone activators that

> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

> something you bought"?

 

So, you're saying that activation is guaranteed? If so, what's the point

of doing it?

>

> You JUST don't get it yet, do ya, "alias"?

 

Alias, not alias.

> We've been trying to tell you for years that as far as Semantics are

> concerned, there are no grounds for comparison between a new Ford and

> an Operating System. They are "apples and oranges", semantically, as

> well as opposite polarities, logically, financially, or legally..

>

> Yet you keep trotting out those same poor, worn-out metaphors.

 

I don't recall using a Ford as an example. You're confusing me with

someone else.

>

> Again, friend,

> A man who pays cash for a new Ford receives something he can grasp

> with his hands, while the same man who pays cash for a "copy" of Vista

> receives a "LICENSE-to-USE", or "The right to use the provided media

> to install and use the software contained on the media on one [or

> more] machines *according to the terms* of the user agreement, which

> the user agrees to when he installs the software."

>

> This is NOT "a Deed to everything on the media, including the media

> itself" [all which are owned lock, stock, and smoking barrel by the

> manufacturer and/or author of the software and media.]

>

> You don't seem to be able to grasp this simple point, friend. The

> ONLY thing you "own" is a "license to use the provided media to

> install the software contained on the media provided."

>

> Yes, ''alias", Microsoft owns the disks themselves, as well as the

> bits on the disks, and has the right to request them back at any time,

> at its own discretion.

>

> In fact, the Microsoft EULA is not even a formal (or informal) "deed

> of ownership".

>

> It's simply a "license to install and use /the software/ on one or

> more machines, *according to the terms of the license* agreed to when

> initially installing it."

>

> This "License to Use" shouldn't be considered to be "real property"

> [such as what anyone could see with their eyes, like a Ford

> automobile], but lies in the realm somewhere between "you paid for a

> copy...", and "but the owner can take it back if he wants." So

> really, who owns the product? The one who paid for a copy, or the one

> who paid for its manufacture and distribution?

>

> Personally, I believe that once a manufacturer/author advertises his

> product publically [sic], it no longer belongs exclusively to him, but is

> co-owned [quietly] by his paying customers from the first copy sold.

>

> The same goes for all other creative works, except those the artist

> gives to the Public at no cost.

>

>> You might want to consider Open Source or Linux. It's free and there is

>> no activation, becoming genuine or DRM to have to put up with. Check it

>> out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

>

> It would seem to me that if one is to be believed, he must present an

> air of genuineness. The best way to do that, if one is currently NOT

> genuine, is to become genuine. When the man does that, he no longer

> needs to present an air of genuineness, but is truly "genuine". At

> that point, he will then recognize the absolute necessity for defences [sic]

> against the non-genuine, who cause things like Windows Activation and

> Digital Rights Management to exist in the first place.

>

> When I was a child, no one in my neighborhood left their doors locked.

> Why lock the door,when everyone knew if someone needed something of

> his, he would be free to take what was necessary subject, of course,

> to the mores of the time and common human decency.

>

> Now, everyone locks their doors, even from their dearest friends.

> Sad.

>

> Donald L McDaniel

 

You have described Microsoft's scam perfectly. And, Donald, or whatever

your real name is, it is a scam and you can't continue to accuse paying

customers of being thieves until they prove otherwise and expect stay in

business.

 

Alias

See below...

 

Donald L McDaniel wrote:

> I wonder why you would say that, sir...

> Each time I need to activate my OS via phone, the tech asks me two

> [or more, depending on my answer] questions:

> 1) "Please give me the numbers on your screen"

>

> 2) "Is this your first time installing this Software?"

> If your answer is "Yes", they simply respond with a string of numbers,

> which you enter, after which the tech asks you to click on "OK", which

> has always resulted in immediate activation.

> 3) If your answer is "No", they will ask a further question:

> "Is this the only computer you have installed this OS on?"

> Depending on your answer, they will ask further questions:

> If your answer to this third question is "Yes", they will give you

> a string of numbers, which you will enter. Then they will direct you

> to click on "OK", upon which the OS is immediately activated.

> If your answer is "no", the outcome will depend upon your Product ID

> type:

> If it is "OEM", you will be told that the product is already

> activated on another machine, and will be directed to purchase a

> second license, and the activation will be denied.

> If it is "RETAIL", you will be given an opportunity to explain why

> it appears that you are installing your product on more than one

> machine at once.

>

> Just WHERE in this does one find "grovel to the phone activators that

> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

> something you bought"?

 

Just why do you have to keep activating your copy by phone? Do you keep

getting asked by Ford to appear at their agency and provide proof of

purchase? Do you have to reactivate your car each time you change the

tires or fit a new light bulb?

 

Yes this is a somewhat different scenario, just as thieves and genuine

users are "Different". When a crime occurs it's quite rare for the

police to arrest and detain everybody who just "Might" be responsible.

 

When you allow the Federal Government to do things "Because they can"

abuses occur, abuses are even more likely when a non Government

Corporation (Blackwater) is given a free hand to do what they "Can".

"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

news:O3$tMVbMIHA.5172@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

> How many paying customers know the difference between an OEM or a retail

> copy?

>

Even MS don't know apparently. I re-activated my generic OEM Vista by

telling the operator I purchased it in a retail store (which is technically

true, even though it isn't a 'retail' version).

Brian W wrote:

>

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:O3$tMVbMIHA.5172@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>> How many paying customers know the difference between an OEM or a

>> retail copy?

>>

> Even MS don't know apparently. I re-activated my generic OEM Vista by

> telling the operator I purchased it in a retail store (which is

> technically true, even though it isn't a 'retail' version).

 

LOL!

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>

>> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:21:14 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:eNGrP8JLIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>>>>

>>>> 8<

>>>>

>>>>>> Please, alias, use proper English?

>>>>>

>>>>> Than capitalize Alias, will ya?

>>>>>

>>>> Err.. alias isn't a name so it does not need capitalization in English.

>>>

>>> False. Any word can be a name in English. There are people in the

>>> States who have named their children anything from Pepsi to Atlasta.

>>> All are legal names. I am using it as a name so it should therefore

>>> be capitalized.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> If it floats your boat to claim to be named "Alias", then it floats

>> your boat. Far be it for me to find fault with your slaughtered

>> English.

>

>

> *Any* word can be a name and if it's used as a name, it should be

> capitalized.

>

>> Note, sir, that I never hide my true identity, warts and all.

>> Apparently, neither do you.

>>

>> Donald L McDaniel

>

>

> How do we know your real name is Donald L McDaniel? We don't know any

> more than if Alias is my name.

>

> Alias

 

Get a fukkin life as*hole!

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Lang Murphy wrote:

>

>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fi3oru$p8e$2@aioe.org...

>>

>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23eFFU62KIHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators

>>>>>>> that you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission

>>>>>>> to use something you bought.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> As if this is coming from first hand experience. Uh, no?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lang

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> If you're not calling to get permission to use the OS you paid for,

>>>>> what, exactly, do you think the call is for, a date with Steve

>>>>> Ballmer?

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Dance all you want... you have no first hand experience with your

>>>> previously stated scenario. End of story.

>>>>

>>>> Lang

>>>

>>>

>>> You're the one dancing, Lang. If you don't call, your copy of Vista

>>> will be rendered useless so you are *obviously* calling to get

>>> permission to use something you've paid for and, well, that just

>>> ain't right.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>>

>> As previously stated... you have no first hand experience. You're

>> parroting articles you've read. Anyone can do that. Only folks with

>> first hand experience can actually assist anyone in this ng. But, as

>> we all know, that's not why you're here.

>>

>> Lang

>

>

> You can't answer the question so you resort to insults. Trying to

> emulate Frank, are ya?

>

> Alias

 

You're a real POS mr liar.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:37:56 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> nobbygee5 wrote:

>>>

>>>> Hi,

>>>> My computer has recently been returned after being repaired. I

>>>> know windows was re-installed while it was away and i now keep

>>>> getting an icon come up saying i need to activate windows. When i

>>>> put my product key in i am told it is already in use. It is

>>>> definitely the right product key and if it is already in use i must

>>>> be using it so why do i keep getting a reminder. I have 25 days left

>>>> to activate which sounds a lot but with the help microsoft gives you

>>>> its not long. Can anyone help or advise.

>>>> Regards Mark.

>>>

>>>

>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators that

>>> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

>>> something you bought.

>>

>>

>> I wonder why you would say that, sir...

>> Each time I need to activate my OS via phone,

>

>

> The fact that you have to activate by phone implies that you are a thief

> until you prove otherwise.

 

Only a fukkin thief like you would feel like that.

Get a fukkin life you POS loser!

Frank

Brian W wrote:

>

> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

> news:O3$tMVbMIHA.5172@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>> How many paying customers know the difference between an OEM or a

>> retail copy?

>>

> Even MS don't know apparently. I re-activated my generic OEM Vista by

> telling the operator I purchased it in a retail store (which is

> technically true, even though it isn't a 'retail' version).

 

 

Hehe, good one, maybe we should all call in and when they ask for the

product code spell out P-C-L-I-N-U-X-O-S. Be the first one on your block

to have an activated copy...

 

Seriously though I think we are forgetting one of the founding

principles of most western society, innocent until proven guilty, and

while I entirely support Microsoft's right to protect their not

inconsiderable investment, even to the extent of accepting some

"Persuasive Business Practices", I feel that this methodology is a real

support killer which has minimal effect on thieves and seriously damages

relations with millions of perfectly legitimate customers. We have

already seen what happens when it goes wrong, so now, whether it happens

or not, many of us are "Just waiting until next time".

 

I mean we have been assured that should these activation servers go

down, the default state will remain activated, but we were assured that

WGA/WPA would not be used as a Kill Switch too and see where that has

gone :)

 

In the even of a terrorist strike, electronic or physical, do we really

want the undamaged part of our infrastructure to deactivate itself.

Couldn't happen? Swat they said last time, you know?

 

There is no way to avoid some losses, one just has to live with them,

same as there is no way to completely eliminate terrorism. This is what

happens when someone decides that established principles are out of date

and fails to properly analyze why they were established in the first

place :)

Donald L McDaniel wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:37:56 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>

>> nobbygee5 wrote:

>>> Hi,

>>> My computer has recently been returned after being repaired. I know

>>> windows was re-installed while it was away and i now keep getting an icon

>>> come up saying i need to activate windows. When i put my product key in i am

>>> told it is already in use. It is definitely the right product key and if it

>>> is already in use i must be using it so why do i keep getting a reminder. I

>>> have 25 days left to activate which sounds a lot but with the help microsoft

>>> gives you its not long. Can anyone help or advise.

>>> Regards Mark.

>>

>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators that

>> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

>> something you bought.

>

> I wonder why you would say that, sir...

> Each time I need to activate my OS via phone, the tech asks me two

> [or more, depending on my answer] questions:

> 1) "Please give me the numbers on your screen"

>

> 2) "Is this your first time installing this Software?"

> If your answer is "Yes", they simply respond with a string of numbers,

> which you enter, after which the tech asks you to click on "OK", which

> has always resulted in immediate activation.

> 3) If your answer is "No", they will ask a further question:

 

Which is more than they need to ask their paying customers and it

violates privacy.

 

When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.

Quoted from the MS website:

 

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

 

"Mandatory Product Activation Data

 

* The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

components:

 

1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

 

* The country in which the product is being installed (for Office

XP and Office XP family products only)"

 

You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you

phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed! It

is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you are

reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like that.

 

> "Is this the only computer you have installed this OS on?"

> Depending on your answer, they will ask further questions:

> If your answer to this third question is "Yes", they will give you

> a string of numbers, which you will enter. Then they will direct you

> to click on "OK", upon which the OS is immediately activated.

> If your answer is "no", the outcome will depend upon your Product ID

> type:

> If it is "OEM", you will be told that the product is already

> activated on another machine, and will be directed to purchase a

> second license, and the activation will be denied.

> If it is "RETAIL", you will be given an opportunity to explain why

> it appears that you are installing your product on more than one

> machine at once.

>

> Just WHERE in this does one find "grovel to the phone activators that

> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

> something you bought"?

>

> You JUST don't get it yet, do ya, "alias"?

> We've been trying to tell you for years that as far as Semantics are

> concerned, there are no grounds for comparison between a new Ford and

> an Operating System. They are "apples and oranges", semantically, as

> well as opposite polarities, logically, financially, or legally..

>

> Yet you keep trotting out those same poor, worn-out metaphors.

>

> Again, friend,

> A man who pays cash for a new Ford receives something he can grasp

> with his hands, while the same man who pays cash for a "copy" of Vista

> receives a "LICENSE-to-USE", or "The right to use the provided media

> to install and use the software contained on the media on one [or

> more] machines *according to the terms* of the user agreement, which

> the user agrees to when he installs the software."

>

> This is NOT "a Deed to everything on the media, including the media

> itself" [all which are owned lock, stock, and smoking barrel by the

> manufacturer and/or author of the software and media.]

>

> You don't seem to be able to grasp this simple point, friend. The

> ONLY thing you "own" is a "license to use the provided media to

> install the software contained on the media provided."

>

> Yes, ''alias", Microsoft owns the disks themselves, as well as the

> bits on the disks, and has the right to request them back at any time,

> at its own discretion.

>

> In fact, the Microsoft EULA is not even a formal (or informal) "deed

> of ownership".

>

> It's simply a "license to install and use /the software/ on one or

> more machines, *according to the terms of the license* agreed to when

> initially installing it."

>

> This "License to Use" shouldn't be considered to be "real property"

> [such as what anyone could see with their eyes, like a Ford

> automobile], but lies in the realm somewhere between "you paid for a

> copy...", and "but the owner can take it back if he wants." So

> really, who owns the product? The one who paid for a copy, or the one

> who paid for its manufacture and distribution?

>

> Personally, I believe that once a manufacturer/author advertises his

> product publically, it no longer belongs exclusively to him, but is

> co-owned [quietly] by his paying customers from the first copy sold.

>

> The same goes for all other creative works, except those the artist

> gives to the Public at no cost.

>

>> You might want to consider Open Source or Linux. It's free and there is

>> no activation, becoming genuine or DRM to have to put up with. Check it

>> out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

>

> It would seem to me that if one is to be believed, he must present an

> air of genuineness. The best way to do that, if one is currently NOT

> genuine, is to become genuine. When the man does that, he no longer

> needs to present an air of genuineness, but is truly "genuine". At

> that point, he will then recognize the absolute necessity for defences

> against the non-genuine, who cause things like Windows Activation and

> Digital Rights Management to exist in the first place.

>

> When I was a child, no one in my neighborhood left their doors locked.

> Why lock the door,when everyone knew if someone needed something of

> his, he would be free to take what was necessary subject, of course,

> to the mores of the time and common human decency.

>

> Now, everyone locks their doors, even from their dearest friends.

> Sad.

>

> Donald L McDaniel

 

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wrote:

> Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:37:56 +0100, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> nobbygee5 wrote:

>>>> Hi,

>>>> My computer has recently been returned after being repaired. I

>>>> know windows was re-installed while it was away and i now keep

>>>> getting an icon come up saying i need to activate windows. When i

>>>> put my product key in i am told it is already in use. It is

>>>> definitely the right product key and if it is already in use i must

>>>> be using it so why do i keep getting a reminder. I have 25 days left

>>>> to activate which sounds a lot but with the help microsoft gives you

>>>> its not long. Can anyone help or advise.

>>>> Regards Mark.

>>>

>>> You'll need to phone activate and grovel to the phone activators that

>>> you're not a thief and maybe they will give you permission to use

>>> something you bought.

>>

>> I wonder why you would say that, sir...

>> Each time I need to activate my OS via phone, the tech asks me two

>> [or more, depending on my answer] questions:

>> 1) "Please give me the numbers on your screen"

>>

>> 2) "Is this your first time installing this Software?"

>> If your answer is "Yes", they simply respond with a string of numbers,

>> which you enter, after which the tech asks you to click on "OK", which

>> has always resulted in immediate activation. 3) If your answer is

>> "No", they will ask a further question:

>

> Which is more than they need to ask their paying customers and it

> violates privacy.

>

> When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.

> Quoted from the MS website:

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

>

> "Mandatory Product Activation Data

>

> * The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two

> components:

>

> 1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation

> 2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

>

> * The country in which the product is being installed (for Office XP

> and Office XP family products only)"

>

> You are never required to provide any other info in order to get

> activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you

> phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and

> occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed! It

> is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you are

> reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like that.

 

 

Which as I keep saying comes back to one simple question, what's the

point? Mine us that each time online activation (Which is far less of a

nuisance and provides MS with just as much data as requested above) is

declined I remove the offending version of Windows and replace it with a

version of Linux. That surely makes Microsoft very happy, doesn't it?

 

Ask yourself who is punishing who here, sure as hell isn't me hurting any :)