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dennis@home wrote:

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> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

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>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>>> news:e3pwJL#KIHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> 8<

>>>

>>>>

>>>> It is only Illegal in a country where DRM is the law.

>>>

>>> I did say many countries not all.

>>>

>>>> If the recording industry says that they get royalties from all

>>>> music media and burners,recorders,etc just in case you burn your own

>>>> then they are getting paid. So if they are getting paid how are you

>>>> stealing?

>>>

>>> What has royalties got to do with the copyright laws that outlaw

>>> bypassing DRM?

>>> You can pay if you want but you have still broken the law.

>>

>>

>>

>> Then why should everyone have to pay Royalties?

>

> Because they didn't vote when they should have or they voted for the

> wrong person I expect.

>

>> Maybe you bought the equipment to produce your own music. I have many

>> friends that do. But they are still paying the royalties. Why?

>

> Because they are stupid enough to buy audio cdrs that have the duty on

> them rather than data cdrs that don't?

> Or is the way duty is applied different over the pond?

>

>> When those royalty laws were passed it made it legal for someone to

>> make copies for themselves so it was made legal, US law. DRM is only

>> implemented to by pass laws in the US that the RIAA and the likes

>> couldn't get change in this country. They many court battles over this.

>> caver1

>

 

 

Not necessarily true. If you want to stay legal.

Or if you want better quality for your own stuff.

Remember things are different on both sides of the

pond.

In a another post I provided a link on for the

other side of the pond. Take a look at it.

 

caver1

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    "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote

    > Linux is the fastest.

     

    Yup, the install disks go into the garbage faster than any other OS.

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    HangEveryRepubliKKKan wrote:

    >>> So what happened LinTards?

    >> Not hard. Linsux is just Unix regurgitated, which means it is just as

    >> crappy application platform as Unix was. Remember, even DOS

    >> applications generally beat the pants off Unix applications in their

    >> day, even with the stupid limitations of DOS...

     

     

    "Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote

    > You are both complete idiots.

     

    And you are still a Loser with a Loser OS. Just like all of the other

    millions of Unix Losers who have been crushed by operating systems that -

    unlike Unix/Linux - work.

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    "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

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    > dennis@home wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >> news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>

    >>>>

    >>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so most

    >>>> linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they will

    >>>> stop.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its not

    >>> illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to hack it if

    >>> it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>

    >> Stop being stupid.

    >> How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >> It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code written to

    >> bypass the drm.

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >

    >

    >

    > Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is being

    > stupid.

    > You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is not

    > illegal.

    > Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is wrong with

    > me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it is for my

    > use only?

    > Greed is the answer.

     

    I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are the

    ones behind drm.

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    "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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    > On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:19:16 -0000, "dennis@home"

    > <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

    >

    >>

    >>

    >>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>

    >>>>

    >>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so most

    >>>> linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they will

    >>>> stop.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its not

    >>> illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to hack it if

    >>> it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>

    >>Stop being stupid.

    >>How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code written to

    >>bypass the drm.

    >>

    >>

    > Here's a thought... why don't wintard morons and Microsoft butt

    > kissers like you wake up and smell the coffee? Microsoft didn't have

    > to crawl in bed with the Movie and Music industry and go along with

    > DRM, but they did. They could have stood up for Joe Average and not

    > support it and it would have died a justified death. Instead the money

    > grubbing Steve bad ass Ballmer caved and everyone suffers.

    >

    > Say, I was wondering... where does the line start where you idiots

    > line up to kiss Ballmer's hairy ass? Surely you know Dennis.

    >

     

    Hi crazy.

    I see you still get everything wrong.

    Haven't you learnt by now that I only argue when I know I am right.

    You on the other hand never get anything right.

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    dennis@home wrote:

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    > "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    > news:eqYcqERLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>> news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so

    >>>>> most linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they will

    >>>>> stop.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its not

    >>>> illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to hack

    >>>> it if it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>

    >>> Stop being stupid.

    >>> How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>> It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>> written to bypass the drm.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >> Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is being

    >> stupid.

    >> You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is not

    >> illegal.

    >> Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is wrong

    >> with me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it is

    >> for my use only?

    >> Greed is the answer.

    >

    > I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    > Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are

    > the ones behind drm.

     

    In New York City, it's illegal for women to smoke cigarettes on the

    streets or wear lipstick. It's not enforced, obviously, but it's still

    on the books. Many laws should be ignored as the main way laws are

    changed is through civil disobedience. As an old lawyer in Texas once

    told me, "If you knew what went into making sausage and laws, you

    wouldn't have anything to do with either one of them".

     

    Alias

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    * dennis@home fired off this tart reply:

    > Non portable C code was another frequent problem.

    > Anyone that claims C is portable hasn't written any.

     

    It is actually fairly easy to write portable C code, even code that

    compiles on Linux.

     

    It does take some discipline. Kids operating wizards need not apply.

    > It looks like this may be coming back with more advanced IDEs making writing

    > windows applications really easy even if you do need to spend $400 on a PC

    > fast enough to run them.

     

    No IDE makes writing applications easy, unless the applications are

    small.

     

    And maintenance? I've yet to see an IDE that enhances maintenance.

     

    And automated code building and testing? The closest "system" I've seen

    is the recent Visual Team Studio (IIRC), and the users here still have

    issues with it, not to mention now you are absolutely /tied/ to

    Windows-only development.

     

    If you learn a good text editor, a good shell, and a good debugger, you

    don't need an IDE. If you learn a good IDE, you still need

    a good text editor, a good shell, and a good debugger.

     

    --

    Tux rox!

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    "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> writes:

    >> "Doug Mentohl" <doug_mentohl@linuxmail.org> wrote

    >> news:fhp6ef$3qk$1@news.datemas.de...

    >>> This forum is not about Linux. It's vicious Microsoft FUD. Don't bother

    >>> posting if you are a Linux person and don't believe a word you read here.

    >

    >

    > "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote

    >> I agree with this poast!

    >

    > I would just like to know how you LinTards manage to sleep at night knowing

    > that less than a year ago

    > you were predicting the imminent failure of Microsoft and the rise of Linux

    > as the new standard on the PC desktop.

    >

    > Now a year later, Microsoft has sold about 100 million copies of Vista and

    > the LinTard OS has an even

    > smaller presence in the marketplace.

    >

    > So what happened LinTards?

    >

    > Where did you go wrong?

     

    It's quite simple. All the great closed source SW written by, amongst

    others, Linonut, Peter "Windows users are retarded" Koehlmann and Rexx

    "King maker" Ballard gives Windows the edge in terms of applications for

    people to do real work. Most people don't care about the OS. They just

    want great applications and leisure SW. Way to go "advocates".

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    dennis@home wrote:

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    >

    > "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

    > news:#jSxLlTLIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

    >> caver1 wrote:

    >>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

    >>>> news:#5BDWJ#KIHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    >>>>

    >>>> 8<

    >>>>

    >>>>> I think the fairer statement would be that there is no code in the

    >>>>> linux distros to support drm. There is a big difference between not

    >>>>> having (and not required to have) such code vs including code

    >>>>> specifically to bypass drm.

    >>>>

    >>>> The drm is on the dvds, linux has code to bypass it.

    >>>> It is always the media that has the drm not the player.

    >>>> The player just has the stuff need to access the media, either

    >>>> legally or illegally.

    >>>> In linux's case the code is illegal and the person that wrote it has

    >>>> (is) been prosecuted.

    >>>> So I think a faier statement is that in many counties, many linux

    >>>> distros make the user a criminal.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> With the same reasoning all Windows users are thieves and Windows

    >>> makes them such.

    >>> In the US downloading music through programs such as Kazaa is illegal,

    >>> pirating software is illegal. Windows makes it possible to do so. So

    >>> if you if you own a computer with Windows on it you are a thief. Or

    >>> maybe even worse. all Windows users are pedophiles.

    >>> caver1

    >>

    >>

    >> Does this sound like a contradiction in terms at all?

    >>

    >> http://www.microsoft.com/express/samples/c4fp2p/Default.aspx

    >>

    >> Lemme see, you can share software that's illegal or not, so I guess

    >> Microsoft actually leave that choice up to you but provide software

    >> (In this case free) to give you that choice.

    >>

    >> Free on Windows, Free on Linux and provided in this case by the OS

    >> manufacturer and NOT by a third party or independent programmer.

    >

    > What is your problem?

    > P2P is not illegal. I use it to legally download films and the BBC uses

    > it in its iPlayer.

    >

    >

    >

     

    So how is it that the owners / operators of a P2P network get nailed

    when in fact the misuse of the network is done by users. I don't think

    I'm the one with the problem, I think you tried to imply that the

    abilities of some software written for "Linux" make Linux itself a

    somewhat dubious enterprise - there are Windows programs that do exactly

    the same. One could argue that the very existence of P2P amounts to

    "Suggesting" illegal behavior to users... certainly if sharing on such a

    scale were not possible piracy would be reduced, but that is the same

    logic as trying to reduce vehicle accidents by preventing people from

    driving.

     

    If sharing were not possible there's be far less demand for utilities

    that bypass DRM, so what?

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    * Hadron fired off this tart reply:

    > It's quite simple. All the great closed source SW written by, amongst

    > others, Linonut, Peter "Windows users are retarded" Koehlmann and Rexx

    > "King maker" Ballard gives Windows the edge in terms of applications for

    > people to do real work. Most people don't care about the OS. They just

    > want great applications and leisure SW. Way to go "advocates".

     

    Just to note. None of the software I write is "closed source". The

    customer (the Navy) gets the source code. All of it, well-documented

    and well-debugged. They even feed back comments about the code to us.

     

    How about you, Hadron? What kind of software do you write?

     

    --

    Tux rox!

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    dumbass@home wrote:

    > There were many other reasons Unix didn't do well..

     

    And the ignorant cretin dumbass@home hopes to educate us all. I'm sure

    THAT'S worth reading... Not.

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    dennis@home wrote:

    >

    >

    > "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    > news:eqYcqERLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>> news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so

    >>>>> most linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they will

    >>>>> stop.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its not

    >>>> illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to hack

    >>>> it if it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>

    >>> Stop being stupid.

    >>> How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>> It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>> written to bypass the drm.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >> Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is being

    >> stupid.

    >> You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is not

    >> illegal.

    >> Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is wrong

    >> with me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it is

    >> for my use only?

    >> Greed is the answer.

    >

    > I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    > Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are

    > the ones behind drm.

     

     

     

    Breaking Drm in itself is not illegal. They cannot

    have you arrested. The courts have to decide case

    by case if you have broken any contracts. They are

    starting to lose more.

    If a law gives you certain rights nothing the

    recording industry can do to take that away short

    of having the law changed. So as I have always

    said if you do it properly there is nothing they

    can do. This does not support piracy.

    caver1

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    dennis@home wrote:

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    >

    > "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

    > news:5o5bk3l2q9r2s0qoh3q81loa08b037h24j@4ax.com...

    >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:19:16 -0000, "dennis@home"

    >> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

    >>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>> news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so most

    >>>>> linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they will

    >>>>> stop.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its not

    >>>> illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to hack

    >>>> it if

    >>>> it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>

    >>> Stop being stupid.

    >>> How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>> It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>> written to

    >>> bypass the drm.

    >>>

    >>>

    >> Here's a thought... why don't wintard morons and Microsoft butt

    >> kissers like you wake up and smell the coffee? Microsoft didn't have

    >> to crawl in bed with the Movie and Music industry and go along with

    >> DRM, but they did. They could have stood up for Joe Average and not

    >> support it and it would have died a justified death. Instead the money

    >> grubbing Steve bad ass Ballmer caved and everyone suffers.

    >>

    >> Say, I was wondering... where does the line start where you idiots

    >> line up to kiss Ballmer's hairy ass? Surely you know Dennis.

    >>

    >

    > Hi crazy.

    > I see you still get everything wrong.

    > Haven't you learnt by now that I only argue when I know I am right.

    > You on the other hand never get anything right.

     

     

    Well i guess you got yourself fooled this time.

    caver1

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    caver1 wrote:

    > dennis@home wrote:

    >

    >>

    >>

    >> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >> news:eqYcqERLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>

    >>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>> news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so

    >>>>>> most linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they

    >>>>>> will stop.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its

    >>>>> not illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to

    >>>>> hack it if it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> Stop being stupid.

    >>>> How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>>> It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>>> written to bypass the drm.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is being

    >>> stupid.

    >>> You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is

    >>> not illegal.

    >>> Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is wrong

    >>> with me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it is

    >>> for my use only?

    >>> Greed is the answer.

    >>

    >>

    >> I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    >> Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are

    >> the ones behind drm.

    >

    >

    >

    >

    > Breaking Drm in itself is not illegal. They cannot have you arrested.

    > The courts have to decide case by case if you have broken any contracts.

    > They are starting to lose more.

    > If a law gives you certain rights nothing the recording industry can do

    > to take that away short of having the law changed. So as I have always

    > said if you do it properly there is nothing they can do. This does not

    > support piracy.

    > caver1

     

    Fukk! That's about the most convoluted rationalizations for aberrant

    behavior I've heard in the last 5 mins!

    You one of the better fools at fooling yourself in this ng aren't you.

    Frank

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    "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

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    > dennis@home wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

    >> news:#jSxLlTLIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

    >>> caver1 wrote:

    >>>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

    >>>>> news:#5BDWJ#KIHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>

    >>>>> 8<

    >>>>>

    >>>>>> I think the fairer statement would be that there is no code in the

    >>>>>> linux distros to support drm. There is a big difference between not

    >>>>>> having (and not required to have) such code vs including code

    >>>>>> specifically to bypass drm.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> The drm is on the dvds, linux has code to bypass it.

    >>>>> It is always the media that has the drm not the player.

    >>>>> The player just has the stuff need to access the media, either legally

    >>>>> or illegally.

    >>>>> In linux's case the code is illegal and the person that wrote it has

    >>>>> (is) been prosecuted.

    >>>>> So I think a faier statement is that in many counties, many linux

    >>>>> distros make the user a criminal.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> With the same reasoning all Windows users are thieves and Windows makes

    >>>> them such.

    >>>> In the US downloading music through programs such as Kazaa is illegal,

    >>>> pirating software is illegal. Windows makes it possible to do so. So if

    >>>> you if you own a computer with Windows on it you are a thief. Or maybe

    >>>> even worse. all Windows users are pedophiles.

    >>>> caver1

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> Does this sound like a contradiction in terms at all?

    >>>

    >>> http://www.microsoft.com/express/samples/c4fp2p/Default.aspx

    >>>

    >>> Lemme see, you can share software that's illegal or not, so I guess

    >>> Microsoft actually leave that choice up to you but provide software (In

    >>> this case free) to give you that choice.

    >>>

    >>> Free on Windows, Free on Linux and provided in this case by the OS

    >>> manufacturer and NOT by a third party or independent programmer.

    >>

    >> What is your problem?

    >> P2P is not illegal. I use it to legally download films and the BBC uses

    >> it in its iPlayer.

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >

    >

    > In the US it is if you go after copyrighted material. Why do you think the

    > RIAA and the movie industry have successfully shut down different P2P

    > services and sued and mant who use them.

    > caver1

     

    Your arguments are pointless.

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    Re: Where did the WinTards go so horribly Wrong?

     

    Linonut wrote:

    > * Hadron fired off this tart reply:

    >

    >> It's quite simple. All the great closed source SW written by, amongst

    >> others, Linonut, Peter "Windows users are retarded" Koehlmann and Rexx

    >> "King maker" Ballard gives Windows the edge in terms of applications for

    >> people to do real work. Most people don't care about the OS. They just

    >> want great applications and leisure SW. Way to go "advocates".

    >

    > Just to note. None of the software I write is "closed source". The

    > customer (the Navy) gets the source code. All of it, well-documented

    > and well-debugged. They even feed back comments about the code to us.

    >

    > How about you, Hadron? What kind of software do you write?

     

     

    He writes .bat files for a living.

    Leave the poor sod be.

     

    He's probably paid the Micoshaft tax and is trying to PISTIFY his

    machine as we speak. We won't hear from him for another week now.

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    On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:02:21 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

    >caver1 wrote:

    >> dennis@home wrote:

    >>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>> news:eqYcqERLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>

    >>>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>> news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>>>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so

    >>>>>>> most linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they

    >>>>>>> will stop.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its

    >>>>>> not illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to

    >>>>>> hack it if it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>>>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>>>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> Stop being stupid.

    >>>>> How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>>>> It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>>>> written to bypass the drm.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is being

    >>>> stupid.

    >>>> You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is

    >>>> not illegal.

    >>>> Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is wrong

    >>>> with me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it is

    >>>> for my use only?

    >>>> Greed is the answer.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    >>> Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are

    >>> the ones behind drm.

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >> Breaking Drm in itself is not illegal. They cannot have you arrested.

    >> The courts have to decide case by case if you have broken any contracts.

    >> They are starting to lose more.

    >> If a law gives you certain rights nothing the recording industry can do

    >> to take that away short of having the law changed. So as I have always

    >> said if you do it properly there is nothing they can do. This does not

    >> support piracy.

    >> caver1

    >

    >Fukk! That's about the most convoluted rationalizations for aberrant

    >behavior I've heard in the last 5 mins!

    >You one of the better fools at fooling yourself in this ng aren't you.

    >Frank

     

    Three things are certain to happen:

     

    1. Death

    2. Taxes

    3. Frank making an ass of himself daily

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    "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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    > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:02:21 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

    >

    >>caver1 wrote:

    >>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>> news:eqYcqERLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>

    >>>>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>>> news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>>>>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>>>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so

    >>>>>>>> most linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>>>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they

    >>>>>>>> will stop.

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its

    >>>>>>> not illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to

    >>>>>>> hack it if it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>>>>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>>>>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> Stop being stupid.

    >>>>>> How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>>>>> It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>>>>> written to bypass the drm.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is being

    >>>>> stupid.

    >>>>> You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is

    >>>>> not illegal.

    >>>>> Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is wrong

    >>>>> with me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it is

    >>>>> for my use only?

    >>>>> Greed is the answer.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    >>>> Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are

    >>>> the ones behind drm.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> Breaking Drm in itself is not illegal. They cannot have you arrested.

    >>> The courts have to decide case by case if you have broken any contracts.

    >>> They are starting to lose more.

    >>> If a law gives you certain rights nothing the recording industry can do

    >>> to take that away short of having the law changed. So as I have always

    >>> said if you do it properly there is nothing they can do. This does not

    >>> support piracy.

    >>> caver1

    >>

    >>Fukk! That's about the most convoluted rationalizations for aberrant

    >>behavior I've heard in the last 5 mins!

    >>You one of the better fools at fooling yourself in this ng aren't you.

    >>Frank

    >

    > Three things are certain to happen:

    >

    > 1. Death

    > 2. Taxes

    > 3. Frank making an ass of himself daily

    >

     

     

    Stop !

    It's like watching a horror movie.

    Your that creature that even after being hacked to pieces, crawls out of the

    ground.

    LOL.

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    Adam Albright wrote:

    > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:02:21 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

    >

    >

    >>caver1 wrote:

    >>

    >>>dennis@home wrote:

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>>

    >>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>news:eqYcqERLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>>dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>>>news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>>>>>>including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>>>>>Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so

    >>>>>>>>most linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>>>>>Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they

    >>>>>>>>will stop.

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its

    >>>>>>>not illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to

    >>>>>>>hack it if it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>>>>>Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>>>>>Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>Stop being stupid.

    >>>>>>How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>>>>>It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>>>>>written to bypass the drm.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is being

    >>>>>stupid.

    >>>>>You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is

    >>>>>not illegal.

    >>>>>Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is wrong

    >>>>>with me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it is

    >>>>>for my use only?

    >>>>>Greed is the answer.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    >>>>Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are

    >>>>the ones behind drm.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>Breaking Drm in itself is not illegal. They cannot have you arrested.

    >>>The courts have to decide case by case if you have broken any contracts.

    >>>They are starting to lose more.

    >>>If a law gives you certain rights nothing the recording industry can do

    >>>to take that away short of having the law changed. So as I have always

    >>>said if you do it properly there is nothing they can do. This does not

    >>>support piracy.

    >>>caver1

    >>

    >>Fukk! That's about the most convoluted rationalizations for aberrant

    >>behavior I've heard in the last 5 mins!

    >>You one of the better fools at fooling yourself in this ng aren't you.

    >>Frank

    >

    >

    > Three things are certain to happen:

    >

    > 1. Death

    > 2. Taxes

    > 3. Frank making an ass of himself daily

    >

     

    So when can we expect your little piggy arse to die?

    Frank

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    >

    > Three things are certain to happen:

    >

    > 1. Death

    > 2. Taxes

    > 3. Frank making an ass of himself daily

     

    More like every ten minutes.

     

    Alias

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    On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:18:35 -0500, "forty-nine" <49@linux.sux> wrote:

    >"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

    >news:0pqek3d6abq1d9tdt7sd66ka21s8ka2si7@4ax.com...

    >> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:02:21 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

    >>

    >>>caver1 wrote:

    >>>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>> news:eqYcqERLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>

    >>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>>>> news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>>>>>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>>>>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so

    >>>>>>>>> most linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>>>>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they

    >>>>>>>>> will stop.

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its

    >>>>>>>> not illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to

    >>>>>>>> hack it if it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>>>>>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>>>>>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>> Stop being stupid.

    >>>>>>> How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>>>>>> It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>>>>>> written to bypass the drm.

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is being

    >>>>>> stupid.

    >>>>>> You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is

    >>>>>> not illegal.

    >>>>>> Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is wrong

    >>>>>> with me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it is

    >>>>>> for my use only?

    >>>>>> Greed is the answer.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    >>>>> Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are

    >>>>> the ones behind drm.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> Breaking Drm in itself is not illegal. They cannot have you arrested.

    >>>> The courts have to decide case by case if you have broken any contracts.

    >>>> They are starting to lose more.

    >>>> If a law gives you certain rights nothing the recording industry can do

    >>>> to take that away short of having the law changed. So as I have always

    >>>> said if you do it properly there is nothing they can do. This does not

    >>>> support piracy.

    >>>> caver1

    >>>

    >>>Fukk! That's about the most convoluted rationalizations for aberrant

    >>>behavior I've heard in the last 5 mins!

    >>>You one of the better fools at fooling yourself in this ng aren't you.

    >>>Frank

    >>

    >> Three things are certain to happen:

    >>

    >> 1. Death

    >> 2. Taxes

    >> 3. Frank making an ass of himself daily

    >>

    >

    >

    >Stop !

    >It's like watching a horror movie.

    >Your that creature that even after being hacked to pieces, crawls out of the

    >ground.

    >LOL.

     

    I figured out what 49 means. That the combined total of your IQ and

    Frank's.

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    > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:18:35 -0500, "forty-nine" <49@linux.sux> wrote:

    >

    >>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

    >>news:0pqek3d6abq1d9tdt7sd66ka21s8ka2si7@4ax.com...

    >>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:02:21 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

    >>>

    >>>>caver1 wrote:

    >>>>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>>> news:eqYcqERLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>>>>> news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>>> I thought it had already been established that most linux

    >>>>>>>>>> distros,

    >>>>>>>>>> including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>>>>>>> Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so

    >>>>>>>>>> most linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>>>>>>> Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they

    >>>>>>>>>> will stop.

    >>>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>> There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its

    >>>>>>>>> not illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to

    >>>>>>>>> hack it if it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>>>>>>> Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>>>>>>> Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>> Stop being stupid.

    >>>>>>>> How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>>>>>>> It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>>>>>>> written to bypass the drm.

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>> Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is

    >>>>>>> being

    >>>>>>> stupid.

    >>>>>>> You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is

    >>>>>>> not illegal.

    >>>>>>> Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is

    >>>>>>> wrong

    >>>>>>> with me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it

    >>>>>>> is

    >>>>>>> for my use only?

    >>>>>>> Greed is the answer.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    >>>>>> Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are

    >>>>>> the ones behind drm.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> Breaking Drm in itself is not illegal. They cannot have you arrested.

    >>>>> The courts have to decide case by case if you have broken any

    >>>>> contracts.

    >>>>> They are starting to lose more.

    >>>>> If a law gives you certain rights nothing the recording industry can

    >>>>> do

    >>>>> to take that away short of having the law changed. So as I have always

    >>>>> said if you do it properly there is nothing they can do. This does not

    >>>>> support piracy.

    >>>>> caver1

    >>>>

    >>>>Fukk! That's about the most convoluted rationalizations for aberrant

    >>>>behavior I've heard in the last 5 mins!

    >>>>You one of the better fools at fooling yourself in this ng aren't you.

    >>>>Frank

    >>>

    >>> Three things are certain to happen:

    >>>

    >>> 1. Death

    >>> 2. Taxes

    >>> 3. Frank making an ass of himself daily

    >>>

    >>

    >>

    >>Stop !

    >>It's like watching a horror movie.

    >>Your that creature that even after being hacked to pieces, crawls out of

    >>the

    >>ground.

    >>LOL.

    >

    > I figured out what 49 means. That the combined total of your IQ and

    > Frank's.

    >

     

     

    Before he answers....mines 48

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    On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:20:49 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

    >Adam Albright wrote:

    >

    >> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:02:21 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >>>caver1 wrote:

    >>>

    >>>>dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>>news:eqYcqERLIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>>dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

    >>>>>>>news:emdtjF#KIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>>I thought it had already been established that most linux distros,

    >>>>>>>>>including your favorite, had code to bypass drm in them.

    >>>>>>>>>Thus they are illegal in the USA and EU (Spain is in the EU) so

    >>>>>>>>>most linux users act illegally from the start.

    >>>>>>>>>Once they have started committing a crime who knows where they

    >>>>>>>>>will stop.

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>>There is no DRM in Linux so there is none to bypass. And no its

    >>>>>>>>not illegal to have a system that doesn't have it. Its illegal to

    >>>>>>>>hack it if it is there. Even Apple is think about dropping it.

    >>>>>>>>Some people will be lead astray by anything they hear.

    >>>>>>>>Don't think for yourself. Do as your are told.

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>Stop being stupid.

    >>>>>>>How does linux play a dvd if it doesn't bypass the drm on the dvd?

    >>>>>>>It doesn't have a license for the encryption it uses some code

    >>>>>>>written to bypass the drm.

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>Not all dvd's have drm. So maybe you should be the one that is being

    >>>>>>stupid.

    >>>>>>You only have that code if you install it. In many countries it is

    >>>>>>not illegal.

    >>>>>>Now the next question is.... If I legally own any media what is wrong

    >>>>>>with me running it on anything I own anywhere I want as long as it is

    >>>>>>for my use only?

    >>>>>>Greed is the answer.

    >>>>>

    >>>>>

    >>>>>I didn't say I agreed just that it was illegal.

    >>>>>Hollywood have always been greedy and they and the music industry are

    >>>>>the ones behind drm.

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>>Breaking Drm in itself is not illegal. They cannot have you arrested.

    >>>>The courts have to decide case by case if you have broken any contracts.

    >>>>They are starting to lose more.

    >>>>If a law gives you certain rights nothing the recording industry can do

    >>>>to take that away short of having the law changed. So as I have always

    >>>>said if you do it properly there is nothing they can do. This does not

    >>>>support piracy.

    >>>>caver1

    >>>

    >>>Fukk! That's about the most convoluted rationalizations for aberrant

    >>>behavior I've heard in the last 5 mins!

    >>>You one of the better fools at fooling yourself in this ng aren't you.

    >>>Frank

    >>

    >>

    >> Three things are certain to happen:

    >>

    >> 1. Death

    >> 2. Taxes

    >> 3. Frank making an ass of himself daily

    >>

    >

    >So when can we expect your little piggy arse to die?

    >Frank

     

    I made thousands profit in options trading today. What did you do

    besides play with yourself?

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    dennis@home wrote:

    >

    >

    > "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

    > news:ONNhnMQLIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

    >> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

    >>> news:#5BDWJ#KIHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    >>>

    >>> 8<

    >>>

    >>>> I think the fairer statement would be that there is no code in the

    >>>> linux distros to support drm. There is a big difference between not

    >>>> having (and not required to have) such code vs including code

    >>>> specifically to bypass drm.

    >>>

    >>> The drm is on the dvds, linux has code to bypass it.

    >>> It is always the media that has the drm not the player.

    >>> The player just has the stuff need to access the media, either

    >>> legally or illegally.

    >>> In linux's case the code is illegal and the person that wrote it has

    >>> (is) been prosecuted.

    >>> So I think a faier statement is that in many counties, many linux

    >>> distros make the user a criminal.

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >> Again, you miss the point. Linux itself has nothing to do with drm. If

    >> the drm code is not in the kernel, there is no harm or foul. Linux or

    >> its use is not illegal due to lack of drm code. One can choose to

    >> download players and codecs that will run such media, but that again

    >> has nothing to do with linux proper.

    >

    > So now you want to be pedantic and limit linux to the kernel.

    > Well ok I hope you enjoy running your kernel without any apps.

    It makes no difference whether the term used is kernel or distro. You

    are the one who used the term "linux" as a point of argument. "In

    linux's case the code is illegal and the person that wrote it has(is)

    been prosecuted." However you want to frame your contention, you are

    wrong. Use of linux and/or distributions is not illegal in terms of drm,

    period.

     

    --

    norm

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    "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message

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    >

    >

    > "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message news:uxs7ghXLIHA.5860@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    >> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

    >>> news:#jSxLlTLIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

    >>>> caver1 wrote:

    >>>>> dennis@home wrote:

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

    >>>>>> news:#5BDWJ#KIHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> 8<

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>>> I think the fairer statement would be that there is no code in the linux distros to

    >>>>>>> support drm. There is a big difference between not having (and not required to have)

    >>>>>>> such code vs including code specifically to bypass drm.

    >>>>>>

    >>>>>> The drm is on the dvds, linux has code to bypass it.

    >>>>>> It is always the media that has the drm not the player.

    >>>>>> The player just has the stuff need to access the media, either legally or illegally.

    >>>>>> In linux's case the code is illegal and the person that wrote it has (is) been

    >>>>>> prosecuted.

    >>>>>> So I think a faier statement is that in many counties, many linux distros make the user

    >>>>>> a criminal.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> With the same reasoning all Windows users are thieves and Windows makes them such.

    >>>>> In the US downloading music through programs such as Kazaa is illegal,

    >>>>> pirating software is illegal. Windows makes it possible to do so. So if you if you own a

    >>>>> computer with Windows on it you are a thief. Or maybe even worse. all Windows users are

    >>>>> pedophiles.

    >>>>> caver1

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> Does this sound like a contradiction in terms at all?

    >>>>

    >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/express/samples/c4fp2p/Default.aspx

    >>>>

    >>>> Lemme see, you can share software that's illegal or not, so I guess Microsoft actually

    >>>> leave that choice up to you but provide software (In this case free) to give you that

    >>>> choice.

    >>>>

    >>>> Free on Windows, Free on Linux and provided in this case by the OS manufacturer and NOT by

    >>>> a third party or independent programmer.

    >>>

    >>> What is your problem?

    >>> P2P is not illegal. I use it to legally download films and the BBC uses it in its iPlayer.

    >>

    >> In the US it is if you go after copyrighted material. Why do you think the RIAA and the

    >> movie industry have successfully shut down different P2P services and sued and mant who use

    >> them.

    >> caver1

    > Your arguments are pointless.

     

    You have so thoroughly had your sanctimonious posterior

    pulverized in this thread, you really should stop and slink

    away before you embarrass yourself any further.... really.

    You've done nothing but show what a gobshite you

    really are. It's a shame that there are actually piffling

    shills like you. I'm sure the RIAA appreciates all their

    lilliputian minions.... luckily, there are many more of us who

    truly understand what *fair* means, and it's not spelled RIAA.

     

     

    -Michael

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