What is wrong with giving stuff away?

 

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"Martin Langsholt" <mlan76@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote

>>> I agree with this poast!

>>

>> I would just like to know how you LinTards manage to sleep at night

>> knowing that less than a year ago

>> you were predicting the imminent failure of Microsoft and the rise of

>> Linux as the new standard on the PC desktop.

>>

>> Now a year later, Microsoft has sold about 100 million copies of Vista

>> and the LinTard OS has an even

>> smaller presence in the marketplace.

>>

>> So what happened LinTards?

>>

>> Where did you go wrong?

>

> That's not the Linux community's fault. Thats Micro$oft. Whenever a big

> deal is made with a company in the linux world, Micro$oft comes in and

> give their products away for free. Pushing the lastest version of WinDos

> crap on them.

>

> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/02/mandriva-nigeria-gate-man

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>

 

In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem. You can

bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not based in altruism.

 

Alias

No. It comes under the general heading of marketing.

 

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>

>

> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem. You can

> bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not based in altruism.

>

> Alias

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> No. It comes under the general heading of marketing.

>

 

AKA, keeping up the de facto monopoly and greed.

 

Alias

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> No. It comes under the general heading of marketing.

>

 

 

That type of marketing was deemed illegal in the US.

It is very unethical.

caver1

Apple design and marketing policy ensure that Apple remains a niche product.

MS produced an operating system that would run on almost anything, be it

produced by a major manufacturer or cobbled together on the kitchen table.

Linux desktop is attempting to break into a market that is very well

established. It will always have a tough time.

 

Users of Windows have gotten used to huge support over the years, both in

terms of software and people who understand and can fix problems. Until

Linux has that same level of support, it will remain where it is now.

 

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message

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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> No. It comes under the general heading of marketing.

>>

>

> AKA, keeping up the de facto monopoly and greed.

>

> Alias

ray wrote:

>> you were predicting the imminent failure of Microsoft and the rise of Linux

>> as the new standard on the PC desktop.

>

>I never predicted that.

 

No one did. Such obvious lies don't require a denial. Such obvious

trolls don't require feeding.

Since when is any big business ethical?

 

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"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> No. It comes under the general heading of marketing.

>>

>

>

> That type of marketing was deemed illegal in the US.

> It is very unethical.

> caver1

It happened at about the same time politicians

stopped lying. -)

 

 

-Michael

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

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> Since when is any big business ethical?

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

> Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

>

>

>

> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message news:eifJUIrKIHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>> No. It comes under the general heading of marketing.

>>>

>>

>>

>> That type of marketing was deemed illegal in the US.

>> It is very unethical.

>> caver1

>

Alias wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>

>

> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem. You can

> bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not based in altruism.

>

> Alias

 

Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

Don't make me laugh! You're just a fukkin linux lovin lying troll and

liunx is nothing but a POS toy os.

Get lost as*hole.

Altruistic...ahahaha...lol...that's really funny!

Frank

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Since when is any big business ethical?

>

 

So then that makes it right?

caver1

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>>

>>

>> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem. You

>> can bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not based in

>> altruism.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

 

No, I didn't say or think that. You made it up to lamely try and change

the subject to Linux instead of what was being discussed, Microsoft.

 

Snip unfounded insults and lies.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>>>

>>>

>>> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem. You

>>> can bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not based in

>>> altruism.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

>

>

> No, I didn't say or think that. You made it up to lamely try and change

> the subject to Linux instead of what was being discussed, Microsoft.

>

> Snip unfounded insults and lies.

>

> Alias

 

More lies? You brought up the term under the pretense of MS, not me.

You're lying loser.

Frank

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Do you have statistics for the storm virus effects? Many were not

> affected by it at all.

>

> For some, Vista asks to be re-activated which is not good, but some OPs

> do not tell how many times hardware has been changed.

>

> MS do not assume piracy. It is a check only.

 

Yes, a piracy check. That's assuming guilt.

>

> People in Europe are paid more, and the cost of living is higher for ALL

> things in Europe. Vista is NOT $1000 in North America.

>

> The ONLY people who pay $$$ for Vista are those hobbyists etc who WANT

> to upgrade from previous versions. Those who purchase pre-installed

> systems do not pay anything close to what you claim, and you have also

> said that Vista can be purchased in Spain for a lot less.

>

> DRM, if you didn't know, only affects those who run DRM media on their

> PCs. DRM affects very few people in actual fact.

 

Which includes all versions of windows and MS software with WPA and

WGA/N in them.

>

> Vista drivers are way more available than they were initially, and video

> drivers are getting better all of the time. It is a solid, reliable OS

> whether you like the fact or not. You have little argument left that is

> relevant.

>

> Being free hasn't helped open source at all. If anything, being free

> holds it back because there is not the quality development work done on

> it. The people doing major development work within places like IBM, and

> they charge for their Linux stuff.

>

> MS and Apple have the best guys in the world working for them. MacOS is

> the only viable alternative to Windows, but Apple is held back by cost

> of hardware, their own choice.

>

> There is not the hatred among the top guys backing each OS like there is

> here. I have told you before that you are singularly the worst ad for

> Linux. No company ever made it by insulting prospective customers, yet

> you do it daily. If there were more like you, open source may as well

> give up and go home.

>

> Maybe you should be more open minded and actually run Vista for a while.

>

 

I have been running vista.

 

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem. You

>>>> can bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not based in

>>>> altruism.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

>>

>>

>> No, I didn't say or think that. You made it up to lamely try and

>> change the subject to Linux instead of what was being discussed,

>> Microsoft.

>>

>> Snip unfounded insults and lies.

>>

>> Alias

>

> More lies? You brought up the term under the pretense of MS, not me.

> You're lying loser.

> Frank

 

You're losing it, Frank. Your mind can't even think logically anymore.

Get help.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem. You

>>>>> can bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not based in

>>>>> altruism.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> No, I didn't say or think that. You made it up to lamely try and

>>> change the subject to Linux instead of what was being discussed,

>>> Microsoft.

>>>

>>> Snip unfounded insults and lies.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> More lies? You brought up the term under the pretense of MS, not me.

>> You're lying loser.

>> Frank

>

>

> You're losing it, Frank. Your mind can't even think logically anymore.

> Get help.

>

> Alias

 

Trying to dodge the subject matter won't work. Oh, btw, I'm not the

brainless fool trolling this MS Vista ng pushing linux...you are.

So lets hear that "think logically" dodge again?

You apparently, "lost it" a long, long time ago.

Frank

If you are being dealt the hand, no it doesn't, if you are dealing the hand,

yes it does.

 

Moral of the story = become a dealer..

 

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"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> Since when is any big business ethical?

>>

>

> So then that makes it right?

> caver1

LOL.. you and I will never see that day.. :-)

 

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"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

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> It happened at about the same time politicians

> stopped lying. -)

>

>

> -Michael

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:eBXdZYsKIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Since when is any big business ethical?

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>> Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

>>

>>

>>

>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>> news:eifJUIrKIHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>> No. It comes under the general heading of marketing.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> That type of marketing was deemed illegal in the US.

>>> It is very unethical.

>>> caver1

>>

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem.

>>>>>> You can bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not based

>>>>>> in altruism.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> No, I didn't say or think that. You made it up to lamely try and

>>>> change the subject to Linux instead of what was being discussed,

>>>> Microsoft.

>>>>

>>>> Snip unfounded insults and lies.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> More lies? You brought up the term under the pretense of MS, not me.

>>> You're lying loser.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> You're losing it, Frank. Your mind can't even think logically anymore.

>> Get help.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Trying to dodge the subject matter won't work. Oh, btw, I'm not the

> brainless fool trolling this MS Vista ng pushing linux...you are.

> So lets hear that "think logically" dodge again?

> You apparently, "lost it" a long, long time ago.

> Frank

 

Now Frank resorts to the kindergarten reply of "I know you are but what

am I". Grow up, Frank.

 

Alias

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Since when is any big business ethical?

>

 

Generally speaking, this statement hits me as exceedingly hypocritical.

We hear repeatedly out of MVPs in these groups that it is unethical to

do anything with windows that is not specifically stated in the EULA to

be allowed. For example, borrowing a windows install cd from a friend

and using the 30 day grace period for trying it out before buying a

license. However, the same porters will make comments like the one

above. Why would you who claim to to so ethical by following the

license to the letter for MS products adopt the double standard of

supporting such an unethical company as MS?

 

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem.

>>>>>>> You can bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not based

>>>>>>> in altruism.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> No, I didn't say or think that. You made it up to lamely try and

>>>>> change the subject to Linux instead of what was being discussed,

>>>>> Microsoft.

>>>>>

>>>>> Snip unfounded insults and lies.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> More lies? You brought up the term under the pretense of MS, not me.

>>>> You're lying loser.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> You're losing it, Frank. Your mind can't even think logically

>>> anymore. Get help.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Trying to dodge the subject matter won't work. Oh, btw, I'm not the

>> brainless fool trolling this MS Vista ng pushing linux...you are.

>> So lets hear that "think logically" dodge again?

>> You apparently, "lost it" a long, long time ago.

>> Frank

>

>

> Now Frank resorts to the kindergarten reply of "I know you are but what

> am I". Grow up, Frank.

>

> Alias

 

Still dodging the subject matter huh? No that bright are you mr liar.

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem.

>>>>>>>> You can bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not

>>>>>>>> based in altruism.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No, I didn't say or think that. You made it up to lamely try and

>>>>>> change the subject to Linux instead of what was being discussed,

>>>>>> Microsoft.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Snip unfounded insults and lies.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> More lies? You brought up the term under the pretense of MS, not me.

>>>>> You're lying loser.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You're losing it, Frank. Your mind can't even think logically

>>>> anymore. Get help.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Trying to dodge the subject matter won't work. Oh, btw, I'm not the

>>> brainless fool trolling this MS Vista ng pushing linux...you are.

>>> So lets hear that "think logically" dodge again?

>>> You apparently, "lost it" a long, long time ago.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Now Frank resorts to the kindergarten reply of "I know you are but

>> what am I". Grow up, Frank.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Still dodging the subject matter huh? No that bright are you mr liar.

> Frank

 

You: 20 watt bulb on its last legs. Me: the Sun.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the problem.

>>>>>>>>> You can bet your next WGA check that the motivation was not

>>>>>>>>> based in altruism.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No, I didn't say or think that. You made it up to lamely try and

>>>>>>> change the subject to Linux instead of what was being discussed,

>>>>>>> Microsoft.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Snip unfounded insults and lies.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> More lies? You brought up the term under the pretense of MS, not me.

>>>>>> You're lying loser.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> You're losing it, Frank. Your mind can't even think logically

>>>>> anymore. Get help.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Trying to dodge the subject matter won't work. Oh, btw, I'm not the

>>>> brainless fool trolling this MS Vista ng pushing linux...you are.

>>>> So lets hear that "think logically" dodge again?

>>>> You apparently, "lost it" a long, long time ago.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Now Frank resorts to the kindergarten reply of "I know you are but

>>> what am I". Grow up, Frank.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Still dodging the subject matter huh? No that bright are you mr liar.

>> Frank

>

>

> You: 20 watt bulb on its last legs. Me: the Sun.

>

> Alias

 

You are one delusional liar. See NoStop for some mental help. You two

can proly get a group discount...LOL!

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> What is wrong with giving stuff away?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> In this case, the motivation for giving it away is the

>>>>>>>>>> problem. You can bet your next WGA check that the motivation

>>>>>>>>>> was not based in altruism.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Oh, so you think you and linux are altruistic?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> No, I didn't say or think that. You made it up to lamely try and

>>>>>>>> change the subject to Linux instead of what was being discussed,

>>>>>>>> Microsoft.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Snip unfounded insults and lies.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> More lies? You brought up the term under the pretense of MS, not me.

>>>>>>> You're lying loser.

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You're losing it, Frank. Your mind can't even think logically

>>>>>> anymore. Get help.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Trying to dodge the subject matter won't work. Oh, btw, I'm not the

>>>>> brainless fool trolling this MS Vista ng pushing linux...you are.

>>>>> So lets hear that "think logically" dodge again?

>>>>> You apparently, "lost it" a long, long time ago.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Now Frank resorts to the kindergarten reply of "I know you are but

>>>> what am I". Grow up, Frank.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Still dodging the subject matter huh? No that bright are you mr liar.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> You: 20 watt bulb on its last legs. Me: the Sun.

>>

>> Alias

>

> You are one delusional liar. See NoStop for some mental help. You two

> can proly get a group discount...LOL!

> Frank

 

Me: honest Abe. You: George Bush

 

Alias

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly

Known as Nina DiBoy' wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> Since when is any big business ethical?

>>

>

> Generally speaking, this statement hits me as exceedingly hypocritical.

> We hear repeatedly out of MVPs in these groups that it is unethical to

> do anything with windows that is not specifically stated in the EULA to

> be allowed. For example, borrowing a windows install cd from a friend

> and using the 30 day grace period for trying it out before buying a

> license. However, the same porters will make comments like the one

> above. Why would you who claim to to so ethical by following the

> license to the letter for MS products adopt the double standard of

> supporting such an unethical company as MS?

>

 

 

That's because some try to live by their ethics

and others ethics are governed by thier wants at

the time.

caver1