Will All Programs Run On Vista?

November 9, 200717 yr

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:48:46 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>> They want an OS which will enable them to play games, any games. They

>>> want an OS that will enable them to keep in touch with their friends

>>> and family on Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger. They want to

>>> be able to use the same animated smileys as their chat friends use.

>>> They want an OS which will get them Paltalk, Yahoo chat etc. They want

>>> an OS which has good support. They want an OS which is easy to use.

>>> They want a mail system which is supported by their ISP. They want

>>> graphics programs which are compatible with other people.

>>>

>>> What they do not want is some fool coercing them into downloading an

>>> ISO which when run off CD will have nothing they recognize and run as

>>> slow as all hell. And the last thing that they need is an OS install

>>> which will wipe out everything that they have, and where they will

>>> have to pay somebody to put everything back for them because the Linux

>>> OS has left their system with a weird format.

>>>

>>> Don't you have any sense? Before migrating a user from one platform to

>>> another, you have to first find out what they use and if it can still

>>> be used and will give them the same functionality as they already

>>> have. You don't just leave them with some bland statement like 'there

>>> are equivalents' because for some things, there are NO equivalents.

>>>

>>

>> Yeah, WPA and WGA and the other crap that comes with Vista have no

>> equivalents unless you include the WPA with Office, Norton, McAffee,

>> Adobe and all the other "big proprietary boys".

>>

>> Most people can get everything they want from Ubuntu except some games

>> (and that's changing). Most already have XP to play their games so a

>> dual boot with XP and Ubuntu makes sense and is far cheaper hard ware

>> wise and, of course, Ubuntu beats the pants off Vista price wise.

>>

>

>More of your distortions and lies mr liar? Have you no shame at all?

>Is lying all you're good at doing?

>How weak and classless you are.

>Frank

Let's talk about YOUR lying under multiple names Frank.

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November 9, 200717 yr

Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:

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> In article <u8xRrXmIIHA.4592@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

> >

> > To whom are you replying?

> >

> > --

> > Mike Hall - MVP

> > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

> > Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

> >

> > "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message

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> > > In article <uDv$XokIIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

> > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> A local friend of mine bought a computer which had PCLinuxOS installed.

> > >> The

> > >> very first thing that my friend did was to bring it to me to have Windows

> > >> installed.

> > >>

> > >> I quote "Can you take this garbage off and put something on that I

> > >> recognize?"

> > >>

> > >> It is NOT just the fact that Windows is pre-installed that people want it

> > >> or

> > >> use it.

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >> Mike Hall - MVP

> > >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

> > >> Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

> > >>

> > >> "Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote in

> > >> message

> > >> news:5bfbc70186af1bd9171619c4ee2b8f2f@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info...

> > >> > In article <4a77bb00aa9fc68451b3a4f597dc531d@pseudo.borked.net>

> > >> > Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:

> > >> >>

> > >> >> What percentage of home pc users need windows? My impression is that

> > >> >> most home users have a standalone pc, or maybe a small home lan of 2

> > >> >> or

> > >> >> 3 machines.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> What do they use them for? My guess is: email, newsgroups, web

> > >> >> browsing.

> > >> >> Download pics from the digital camera, maybe download videos from a

> > >> >> camcorder and make them into a dvd, use a word processor with a small

> > >> >> printer, maybe run a spreadsheet or two. Maybe do some graphics work.

> > >> >> Maybe run skype, realplayer. Burn dvds and CDs. Scan documents and

> > >> >> pictures.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> A smaller number may run a web server, or an ftp server.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> All of those things can be done using linux, which can be downloaded

> > >> >> for

> > >> >> free. There is no registration, no nagging screens, very little in the

> > >> >> way of viruses, worms, trojans.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> And these things can be done using gui interfaces - no command-line

> > >> >> crap.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> So why does the home pc user continue to put up with windows? Is it

> > >> >> that

> > >> >> the word about linux still hasn't gotten out?

> > >> >>

> > >> >

> > >> > It's because Windows comes pre-installed.

> > >> >

> > >

> > > You couldn't be more wrong.

> > >

>

> Either you don't have a clue or need a real newsreader.

The two would seem to be essentially synonymous. -)

>

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November 9, 200717 yr

On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:41:29 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"

<mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>It wasn't about recognizing icons.. there was nothing familiar to the user,

>and I most certainly did not make it up. The client clicked on stuff but it

>wasn't what she expected to see, plain and simple, and when she asked how to

>put stuff like Office 97, Publisher, Encarta etc onto it, all programs which

>she already had, I had to tell her that she couldn't do that.

>

>You should get out more..

You should stop pretending you have "clients". Unless you're an

accountant, doctor, engineer or lawyer, you don't have clients. All

real professionals have advanced degrees to back up they ARE trained

professionals, not some Mickey Mouse loud mouth with three meaningless

letters behind their name. Thought you needed a reality check. -)

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November 9, 200717 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> A local friend of mine bought a computer which had PCLinuxOS installed. The

> very first thing that my friend did was to bring it to me to have Windows

> installed.

>

> I quote "Can you take this garbage off and put something on that I

> recognize?"

>

> It is NOT just the fact that Windows is pre-installed that people want it or

> use it.

>

I think your being very disingenuous. I bet it was a used computer

too. A used computer with an operating system they have never seen

before let alone used people would want something that's familiar. If

I got BSD on a computer I would immediately switch it to Linux. This

proves nothing, if

99% of consumer computers came with PcLinux that is what they would

use. Only very very

limited amounts of computers come with any Linux, however I've seen

many people who bought a

new computer with Linux installed and they use it.

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November 9, 200717 yr

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> In article <O28u3ikIIHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

> >

> > They want an OS which will enable them to play games, any games. They want

> > an OS that will enable them to keep in touch with their friends and family

> > on Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger. They want to be able to use

> > the same animated smileys as their chat friends use. They want an OS which

> > will get them Paltalk, Yahoo chat etc. They want an OS which has good

> > support. They want an OS which is easy to use. They want a mail system which

> > is supported by their ISP. They want graphics programs which are compatible

> > with other people.

> >

> > What they do not want is some fool coercing them into downloading an ISO

> > which when run off CD will have nothing they recognize and run as slow as

> > all hell. And the last thing that they need is an OS install which will wipe

> > out everything that they have, and where they will have to pay somebody to

> > put everything back for them because the Linux OS has left their system with

> > a weird format.

> >

> > Don't you have any sense? Before migrating a user from one platform to

> > another, you have to first find out what they use and if it can still be

> > used and will give them the same functionality as they already have. You

> > don't just leave them with some bland statement like 'there are

> > equivalents' because for some things, there are NO equivalents.

>

> Well said!

No it's not, it's acting like people cannot possibly navigate the

strange dangerous computer world

without the safe place that is know as Windows. It's like saying you

need America Online to make everything easy for you and you cannot

possibly use another internet provider.

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November 9, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:41:29 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"

> <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>

>>It wasn't about recognizing icons.. there was nothing familiar to the user,

>>and I most certainly did not make it up. The client clicked on stuff but it

>>wasn't what she expected to see, plain and simple, and when she asked how to

>>put stuff like Office 97, Publisher, Encarta etc onto it, all programs which

>>she already had, I had to tell her that she couldn't do that.

>>

>>You should get out more..

>

> You should stop pretending you have "clients".

And you should stop pretending you actually have a brain...other than a

rat's brain mr pig.

Unless you're an

> accountant, doctor, engineer or lawyer, you don't have clients.

So you being a failed accountant qualify?

All

> real professionals have advanced degrees to back up they ARE trained

> professionals, not some Mickey Mouse loud mouth with three meaningless

> letters behind their name.

I guess that eliminates a fukkin drunken rat brained pig like you from

everything professional.

Thought you needed a reality check. -)

Thought you needed another swift boot in your fat stupid arse with my

#13's. :-)

Frank

>

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November 9, 200717 yr

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> In article <uDv$XokIIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

> >

> > A local friend of mine bought a computer which had PCLinuxOS installed. The

> > very first thing that my friend did was to bring it to me to have Windows

> > installed.

> >

> > I quote "Can you take this garbage off and put something on that I

> > recognize?"

> >

> > It is NOT just the fact that Windows is pre-installed that people want it or

> > use it.

> >

> > --

> > Mike Hall - MVP

> > http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

> > Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

> >

> > "Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote in message

> > news:5bfbc70186af1bd9171619c4ee2b8f2f@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info...

> > > In article <4a77bb00aa9fc68451b3a4f597dc531d@pseudo.borked.net>

> > > Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> What percentage of home pc users need windows? My impression is that

> > >> most home users have a standalone pc, or maybe a small home lan of 2 or

> > >> 3 machines.

> > >>

> > >> What do they use them for? My guess is: email, newsgroups, web browsing.

> > >> Download pics from the digital camera, maybe download videos from a

> > >> camcorder and make them into a dvd, use a word processor with a small

> > >> printer, maybe run a spreadsheet or two. Maybe do some graphics work.

> > >> Maybe run skype, realplayer. Burn dvds and CDs. Scan documents and

> > >> pictures.

> > >>

> > >> A smaller number may run a web server, or an ftp server.

> > >>

> > >> All of those things can be done using linux, which can be downloaded for

> > >> free. There is no registration, no nagging screens, very little in the

> > >> way of viruses, worms, trojans.

> > >>

> > >> And these things can be done using gui interfaces - no command-line crap.

> > >>

> > >> So why does the home pc user continue to put up with windows? Is it that

> > >> the word about linux still hasn't gotten out?

> > >>

> > >

> > > It's because Windows comes pre-installed.

> > >

>

> You couldn't be more wrong.

I bought a computer with win95 and used it because Windows came pre-

installed. I bought a computer with winme installed and used it

because because Windows cames pre-installed,

I bought a computer with winxp and used it because Windows came pre-

installed.

Ask somebody why they bought a computer they would surely say for

windows.

There is no Coke and Pepsi consumer choice in the computer world. The

closest thing is Mac.

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November 9, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:48:46 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>>>Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>>>They want an OS which will enable them to play games, any games. They

>>>>want an OS that will enable them to keep in touch with their friends

>>>>and family on Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger. They want to

>>>>be able to use the same animated smileys as their chat friends use.

>>>>They want an OS which will get them Paltalk, Yahoo chat etc. They want

>>>>an OS which has good support. They want an OS which is easy to use.

>>>>They want a mail system which is supported by their ISP. They want

>>>>graphics programs which are compatible with other people.

>>>>

>>>>What they do not want is some fool coercing them into downloading an

>>>>ISO which when run off CD will have nothing they recognize and run as

>>>>slow as all hell. And the last thing that they need is an OS install

>>>>which will wipe out everything that they have, and where they will

>>>>have to pay somebody to put everything back for them because the Linux

>>>>OS has left their system with a weird format.

>>>>

>>>>Don't you have any sense? Before migrating a user from one platform to

>>>>another, you have to first find out what they use and if it can still

>>>>be used and will give them the same functionality as they already

>>>>have. You don't just leave them with some bland statement like 'there

>>>>are equivalents' because for some things, there are NO equivalents.

>>>>

>>>

>>>Yeah, WPA and WGA and the other crap that comes with Vista have no

>>>equivalents unless you include the WPA with Office, Norton, McAffee,

>>>Adobe and all the other "big proprietary boys".

>>>

>>>Most people can get everything they want from Ubuntu except some games

>>>(and that's changing). Most already have XP to play their games so a

>>>dual boot with XP and Ubuntu makes sense and is far cheaper hard ware

>>>wise and, of course, Ubuntu beats the pants off Vista price wise.

>>>

>>

>>More of your distortions and lies mr liar? Have you no shame at all?

>>Is lying all you're good at doing?

>>How weak and classless you are.

>>Frank

>

> Let's talk about YOUR lying under multiple names Frank.

>

Really? And those other names would be...?

Well...?

Put up or shut up you little rat brained pig of an as*hole!

Frank

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November 9, 200717 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> It wasn't about recognizing icons.. there was nothing familiar to the user,

> and I most certainly did not make it up. The client clicked on stuff but it

> wasn't what she expected to see, plain and simple, and when she asked how to

> put stuff like Office 97, Publisher, Encarta etc onto it, all programs which

> she already had, I had to tell her that she couldn't do that.

>

> You should get out more..

>

Says the guy who top posts.

So really what is the big deal, she didn't like the results when she

clicked an icon. She felt helpless

and desperate and consulted you. That doesn't mean anybody who uses

the live cd will dislike it

or stop them from actively installing it while getting very competent

help to do it without hosing their windows. I've seen thousands of

people ask how to do it and were very happy with the results that they

did something that they assumed would be more difficult.

>

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November 9, 200717 yr

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

> > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> >

> >> They want an OS which will enable them to play games, any games. They

> >> want an OS that will enable them to keep in touch with their friends

> >> and family on Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger. They want to

> >> be able to use the same animated smileys as their chat friends use.

> >> They want an OS which will get them Paltalk, Yahoo chat etc. They want

> >> an OS which has good support. They want an OS which is easy to use.

> >> They want a mail system which is supported by their ISP. They want

> >> graphics programs which are compatible with other people.

> >>

> >> What they do not want is some fool coercing them into downloading an

> >> ISO which when run off CD will have nothing they recognize and run as

> >> slow as all hell. And the last thing that they need is an OS install

> >> which will wipe out everything that they have, and where they will

> >> have to pay somebody to put everything back for them because the Linux

> >> OS has left their system with a weird format.

> >>

> >> Don't you have any sense? Before migrating a user from one platform to

> >> another, you have to first find out what they use and if it can still

> >> be used and will give them the same functionality as they already

> >> have. You don't just leave them with some bland statement like 'there

> >> are equivalents' because for some things, there are NO equivalents.

> >>

> >

> > Yeah, WPA and WGA and the other crap that comes with Vista have no

> > equivalents unless you include the WPA with Office, Norton, McAffee,

> > Adobe and all the other "big proprietary boys".

> >

> > Most people can get everything they want from Ubuntu except some games

> > (and that's changing). Most already have XP to play their games so a

> > dual boot with XP and Ubuntu makes sense and is far cheaper hard ware

> > wise and, of course, Ubuntu beats the pants off Vista price wise.

> >

>

> More of your distortions and lies mr liar? Have you no shame at all?

> Is lying all you're good at doing?

> How weak and classless you are.

> Frank

I have almost everything I could possibly want in linux, far more than

with windows. For what it doesn't support I am capable of running

windows for those programs. Usually I just use

the handy security update features and update and run the adware and

anti virus programs

then go back to using Linux.

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November 9, 200717 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Most if not all of my local clients haven't the first clue about newsgroups,

> but I do know that they help each other out where they can,and if one of

> them had Linux, that person would get no help.

Of course not. How could a Wintard possibly help an intelligent user?

> I am well aware how to install Linux and most other operating systems, but

> the vast majority of regular users do not. The programs supplied with Linux,

> while they may do a similar job are not what kids, families and silver

> surfers want.

Sure they are. They're what Wintards want and then some because they do

everythign a Wintard would want to do and they're not buggy, full of

security holes, and cluttered up with useless bloat.

> People run the OS

People run Windoze because Micro$lop has forced it down their throats

for years now. That's the only reason. Its made users collectively

retarded.

> where the selection of programs suits them and are easy to

> obtain.

ROTFL!

I guess you're not aware that software for almost all modern Linux

distributions isn't just superior to it's Micro$lop based counterpart,

it's all served up in one centralized repository where it's not only

easier to obtain, but the obtaining is much more secure.

> Migrating a company or a single user is the same. Unless one can set them up

> with what they want, the features they want, it is impossible to sell a

> different platform.

I'd say it's an impossible undertaking, if you have absolutely no clue

what you're talking about yourself.

> Free is not enough on its own, and these people should not be insulted just

> because they don't think the way you do.

They're not. They're being insulted because like you they're fact free,

blindly fixated on doing something the way a criminal organization has

coerced them into doing it, and more to the point, openly arrogant about

their willful ignorance and lack of vision.

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November 9, 200717 yr

Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> > They want an OS which will enable them to play games, any games.

>

> I know nothing about computer games but suspect that windows wins hands

> down.

It sure does. I'm fine with that.

>

> > They

> > want an OS that will enable them to keep in touch with their friends and

> > family on Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger.

>

> There are scads of utilities - icq and the like, that come with linux

> that do that. Skype is another.

>

> > They want to be

> > able to use the same animated smileys as their chat friends use.

>

> I have the feeling you are thinking of kids as users. I was thinking of

> the average adult.

Surely though Linux has programs that do this.

>

> > They

> > want an OS which will get them Paltalk, Yahoo chat etc. They want an OS

> > which has good support.

>

> Plenty of linux-oriented newsgroups. As much support as is provided for

> windows.

Besides usenet on the internet Linux is far more supported than

windows IMO.

> But I am thinking of people who want to use the OS out of the box, and

> have the things I mentioned in my post up and running. You don't need

> much support to get them running - just click on the icon.

I asked my mother if she wanted linux installed on her computer after

her using a live pclinx for

a few minutes and she was delighted, had it installed optimized and

the os and packages

updated in 15 minutes in. I showed her wha was what in just a few

moments and she had

Amarok's playlist loaded and was downloading music from p2p using

firefox.

She still uses PcLinux and is just as happy about it as ever.

>

> > They want an OS which is easy to use.

>

> Then linux wins hands down. The number of nag screens, the jumping

> through hoops for registration, the need to download patches

> incessantly, and this 'digital rights management' stuff, the constant

> worry about viruses, trojans, worms. All that windows nonsense.

> Unbelievable. It makes for an awful experience when all you want to do

> is use the damn computer.

I agree I made a fresh install of WinXp after previously having the so-

called restore partition

fail to make a resore cd and we bought a retail XP and immediately

after installing it

got bombarded with advertisements with it's resident IM or whatever it

was.

> Linux is rational, lean, efficient, and VERY EASY to install and use. I

> am thinking especially of the latest version of Mepis that I mentioned

> in my earlier post. Some linux distros are more geek-oriented. I don't

> go near them because I am an average user. Stick with Mepis, or, if you

> like, try pclinuxos - very similar to Mepis. But Mepis is my preference.

>

I went from Mepis to PcLinux. Not sure oif you have used the 2007

version but each version keeps getting better. A new version should be

out soon.

> > They want

> > a mail system which is supported by their ISP.

>

> If you mean opening a program like Mozilla thunderbird and reading mail

> and newsgroups and sending news messages and email messages, which is

> what 99.9 percent of computer users want to do - all of that is

> compatible with all isps. The protocols pop3 and smtp and nntp are

> universal.

Worst case is a site may require IE but you can get around that. Not

to mention with the Linux software repositories you can automatically

download and install software like firefox and real player right from

your desktop, in moments. And it has MPlayer as a MediaPlayer so

windows

files can be seen in Linux.

> And if you don't like Mozilla thunderbird, there are several email and

> news reading programs - nice, gui programs that look like outlook

> express and free agent. They are as easy to set up as outlook or agent.

>

> > They want graphics

> > programs which are compatible with other people.

>

> All I know is that you can use very good graphics programs like Gimp,

> Xara, and Blender, and save the results in universally-used formats.

>

> >

> > What they do not want is some fool coercing them into downloading an ISO

> > which when run off CD will have nothing they recognize and run as slow

> > as all hell.

>

> Now now. The 'live cd' (which windows should adopt) is a great way for

> somebody to try linux to see what it is like, and they will see programs

> like Firefox and Mozilla and Skype. No problem recognizing them, and

> what they don't recognize immediately will take them about 5 seconds to

> recognize as the equivalent to some windows program they are familiar with.

Hover you cursor over a icon and it will tell you what it does.

> And of course once they install linux, it is speedy - faster then

> windows usually because it doesn't have the bloated programs that

> windows runs.

Win2000 professional does well in my opinion.

> Speaking of bloated programs, Nero, a popular windows cd-burning program

> weighs in at several hundred megabtyes. Correct me if I'm wrong about

> that, but I don't think I am.

I like DeepBurner for windows and the K3b in Linux is fast, does what

it's supposed, moves smoothly from one process to another and just

plain kicks ass.

http://k3b.plainblack.com/screenshots

>

> Compare that with K3b, which comes installed when you install Mepis. It

> weighs in at about 9 megabytes.

And it puts all of those 9 mbs to use in an efficient, powerful, cd

burning experience. Yes I said experience.

> K3b does everything that 99 percent of users will ever want. So what is

> it about Windows that encourages vendors to write such bloated

> monstrosities?

I assume they gotta retire older versions so they move to a new

version for $$$ People wan't to

see what's new in this version, each new version and it's features

makes some programs bigger

and crappier.

I use outpost free firewall for windows and it has not been updated

for years and is not supported. Zone Alarm when I would use it was

constantly putting out updates and would let blocked applications

access the internet or would break the system sometimes. Why have a

firewall

that is constantly updated, because they are making money from doing

that.

> Crap like that was one of the reasons I couldn't live any longer with

> windows.

Yea I kept trying to go back to windows and it was just waay to much

BS, when you were happy that though you had the system as stable as it

can get you simply install a program and the

system starts to act 'weird' and you end up re-installing it ten

minutes later.

> And speaking of programs, I have at my fingertips a database listing

> about 23000 programs. I can install any of them with a few keystrokes -

> the program I want is downloaded from a 'repository', my system is

> checked for additional programs (equivalent to windows dlls and drivers)

> that may be needed to support it, and these are also downloaded if

> needed. Then the programs are installed.

>

> With windows, I used to go to some place like tucows or download.com,

> hunt for the kind of program I want, and then look to see if it was

> free, or if there was at least a trial. What a pain that was. And what I

> usually ended up with was some bloated thing that I only needed 20

> percent of the rest was junk as far as I was concerned.

LIkewise getting a free program and the hidden secret is that it's

free for 7 days whether you

used it for even ten minutes or that it's free because it has spy or

adware with it.

Then you have the windows users comments, one says it's crap one says

it's great, whether

they know what they are talking about or not.

Starting with or eventually using linux will usually break the hi I'm

a chronic noobie. I don't blame them though, windows and the

applications are often far more confusing than it's worth.

>

> With linux I get 23000 programs for the price of a free download. And

> the only searching I do is by the search function that looks through the

> database index.

>

> > And the last thing that they need is an OS install which

> > will wipe out everything that they have, and where they will have to pay

> > somebody to put everything back for them because the Linux OS has left

> > their system with a weird format.

>

> It is obvious you have never installed linux. It lets you use an unused

> partition, or create a partition, and installs beside windows (if you

> really want to keep windows). Then, as I said, you can dual-boot and get

> into windows or linux.

Likewise the so-called repair partition is often just sitting there

waiting for you to install linux there. Also you can often install

linux within a windows partition.

Also most users should learn to install windows over and over so they

can learn to create partitions one for Windows and another for their

information. so they don't have to take their computer in and spend

$100.00 to fix what they could have easily done on their own.

> Nobody has to pay anybody when they use linux!

Few distributions you pay for. I don't see myself paying for windows

anytime in the future

but for many linux distributions I would gladly pay, for but it's

already cost-free.

>

> >

> > Don't you have any sense? Before migrating a user from one platform to

> > another, you have to first find out what they use and if it can still be

> > used and will give them the same functionality as they already have.

>

> Now you sound like you are talking about the IT manager of a Fortune 500

> company, who is thinking of making the switch. I am talking about the

> average user of a pc.

>

> But it's not a problem. Use the live cd and play around with linux

> before installing it. Believe me, for 99.9 percent of users, linux will

> have all the functionality that they need. It will take them about 10

> minutes to realize that.

>

> It didn't even take me that long when I first booted up with a live cd.

> I knew right away I had been a damn fool to stick with an OS, windows,

> that I disliked because of its bloat and irrationality, for want of a

> better word.

>

> I had stuck with it because I thought linux was some

> command-line-driven, difficult to use OS, that was for geeks only and

> that windows was all there was. Maybe it was that at one time, but now

> it is for mom and pop and grandmom and granddad. It is VERY EASY to

> install and use. It is no longer a geek thing, there is nothing 'weird'

> about it it is an average guy thing, it is MAINSTREAM.

I kicked myself for using windows for soo long. I didn't learn shit

except how to reinstall windows

I have xp on my computer and haven't touched it since I installed it

in January.

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November 9, 200717 yr

In article <#mLG7CoIIHA.4592@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>

> I have some killfiled and the last piece of text to which the answer applied

> was not mine.

>

> You need to get out more..

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

> Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

>

> "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> wrote in

> message news:7b397dbe8cbc74974f890a54c8702d7a@remailer.privacy.at...

> >

> > In article <u8xRrXmIIHA.4592@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

> > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> To whom are you replying?

> >>

> >> --

> >> Mike Hall - MVP

> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

> >> Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

> >>

> >> "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message

> >> news:43135260b0e59e1e1d84b8cb5d16cf8f@dizum.com...

> >> > In article <uDv$XokIIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

> >> > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> A local friend of mine bought a computer which had PCLinuxOS

> >> >> installed.

> >> >> The

> >> >> very first thing that my friend did was to bring it to me to have

> >> >> Windows

> >> >> installed.

> >> >>

> >> >> I quote "Can you take this garbage off and put something on that I

> >> >> recognize?"

> >> >>

> >> >> It is NOT just the fact that Windows is pre-installed that people want

> >> >> it

> >> >> or

> >> >> use it.

> >> >>

> >> >> --

> >> >> Mike Hall - MVP

> >> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

> >> >> Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

> >> >>

> >> >> "Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote in

> >> >> message

> >> >> news:5bfbc70186af1bd9171619c4ee2b8f2f@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info...

> >> >> > In article <4a77bb00aa9fc68451b3a4f597dc531d@pseudo.borked.net>

> >> >> > Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> What percentage of home pc users need windows? My impression is

> >> >> >> that

> >> >> >> most home users have a standalone pc, or maybe a small home lan of

> >> >> >> 2

> >> >> >> or

> >> >> >> 3 machines.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> What do they use them for? My guess is: email, newsgroups, web

> >> >> >> browsing.

> >> >> >> Download pics from the digital camera, maybe download videos from a

> >> >> >> camcorder and make them into a dvd, use a word processor with a

> >> >> >> small

> >> >> >> printer, maybe run a spreadsheet or two. Maybe do some graphics

> >> >> >> work.

> >> >> >> Maybe run skype, realplayer. Burn dvds and CDs. Scan documents and

> >> >> >> pictures.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> A smaller number may run a web server, or an ftp server.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> All of those things can be done using linux, which can be

> >> >> >> downloaded

> >> >> >> for

> >> >> >> free. There is no registration, no nagging screens, very little in

> >> >> >> the

> >> >> >> way of viruses, worms, trojans.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> And these things can be done using gui interfaces - no command-line

> >> >> >> crap.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> So why does the home pc user continue to put up with windows? Is it

> >> >> >> that

> >> >> >> the word about linux still hasn't gotten out?

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >> > It's because Windows comes pre-installed.

> >> >> >

> >> >

> >> > You couldn't be more wrong.

> >> >

> >

> > Either you don't have a clue or need a real newsreader.

> >

Yawn.

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sparrow.sign@yahoo.com wrote:

> Frank wrote: