Who came up with VISTA?

November 5, 200717 yr

DanS aka Danny $hithead > wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

>> wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

>>>> DiBoy' wrote:

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>> want to look into how MS bribed the Nigerian authorities to accept

>>>>>> Windows instead of Linux for starters.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Lucky kids! This means thanks to MS, these kids will have ample

>>>>> opportunities to be duped by their own nigerian scams.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LOL! So true!

>>>

>>> )

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Spain just busted a bunch of Nigerians for this scam, about 40 of

>>>> them who were living in Spain. Saw it on Spanish TV yesterday.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Spain will have their hands full after these kids get these

>>> laptops...The windows machines will become infected and become

>>> nigerian scam bots...

>>>

>>

>> The world will have their hands full.

>>

>

> <Neither one of *clowns* actually know what you're talking about, with

> home user drivel and babble. Where do you two clowns think you are on,

> some kind of chat line? Why don't you two cows mosey on down to the

> troff and moo each other? :)>

Where do you think you are, in a high school boys' locker room with Frank?

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

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http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

November 5, 200717 yr

You have to take these things a case at a time. Chessmaster 10 was not Vista

compatible, but Chessmaster 11 is.. take it up with them.

So how do you like Compiz-Fusion. Has it increased your productivity in

AbiWord yet?

--

Mike Hall - MVP

Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> Chessmaster 11 is supported in Vista. The software authors know only too

>> well why 10 does not work, and the answer is not with Microsoft..

>>

>

> Does MS *ever* have any answers besides it being someone else's fault,

> usually the user?

>

> --

> Alias

>

> To email me, remove shoes

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November 5, 200717 yr

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:07:50 -0800, Telstar wrote:

> This is a bunch of crap.

>

> I bought Word 1 and Chart 1. I have been using the PC since it came

> out.

>

> Always there were upgrade and compatability issues. When the PC went

> from 16 to 32 bit in Windows, I had to modify and re-write hundreds of

> lines of code.

Hundreds??? That was all!!?? Wow...let me bow to your "superiority".

>

> Where did you get the idea that everything worked between major OS

> overhauls? That is ludicrous and shows that you are not experienced.

No, when Microsoft expects me to shell out 400 bucks for Vista Ultimate,

which is more than twice as expensive as XP Professional, then I in turn

expect my software to work. Period. I'm not moving from one OS to

another, I am upgrading from one version of the same OS to another. How

or why it does, I honestly don't give a crap.

While the above may not be all that feasible under certain hardware

conditions, such as moving from 16-bit to 32-bit....XP to Vista is no

such change. Same hardware, just different version OS. So yes, I expect

things to just work.

My expectations are simply a little higher than that of the average

fanboy.

--

Stephan

2003 Yamaha R6

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November 5, 200717 yr

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:12:21 -0800, Telstar wrote:

> "Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message

> news:OjXK8O5HIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> This is a bunch of crap.

>>

>> I bought Word 1 and Chart 1. I have been using the PC since it came

>> out.

>>

>> Always there were upgrade and compatability issues. When the PC went

>> from 16 to 32 bit in Windows, I had to modify and re-write hundreds of

>> lines of code.

>>

>> Where did you get the idea that everything worked between major OS

>> overhauls? That is ludicrous and shows that you are not experienced.

>>

> I also suggest you ask what happened to users when the Mac changed to

> OSX.

I know what happened. There are reasons I refuse to use a Mac. That,

among others, would be one of them.

--

Stephan

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November 5, 200717 yr

Alias wrote:

> DanS aka Danny $hithead > wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

>>> DiBoy' wrote:

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

>>>>> DiBoy' wrote:

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>> <snip>

>>>>>>> want to look into how MS bribed the Nigerian authorities to

>>>>>>> accept Windows instead of Linux for starters.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lucky kids! This means thanks to MS, these kids will have ample

>>>>>> opportunities to be duped by their own nigerian scams.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> LOL! So true!

>>>>

>>>> )

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Spain just busted a bunch of Nigerians for this scam, about 40 of

>>>>> them who were living in Spain. Saw it on Spanish TV yesterday.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Spain will have their hands full after these kids get these

>>>> laptops...The windows machines will become infected and become

>>>> nigerian scam bots...

>>>>

>>>

>>> The world will have their hands full.

>>>

>>

>> <Neither one of *clowns* actually know what you're talking about, with

>> home user drivel and babble. Where do you two clowns think you are on,

>> some kind of chat line? Why don't you two cows mosey on down to the

>> troff and moo each other? :)>

>

> Where do you think you are, in a high school boys' locker room with Frank?

>

<Who are you? Are you a Jersymaid's sister? I hate to be blunt it. But

it's a typical cow's reply, because you are a typical cow with typical

cow behavior with a lot of chat, chat, chat, babble, babble and babble -

mooooooing. :)>

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November 5, 200717 yr

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:13:04 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "the claim is that Linux is no good"

> I NEVER suggested any such thing.

> So your "Hypocrisy" point is little more than hot air.

Nobody said you did. Charlie and I were speaking in general terms more

than either one of us was directing anything at you.

--

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November 5, 200717 yr

Apparently you feel Nigerian kids are incapable of learning.

Nationality is irrelevant.

The same applies to people everywhere, Nigeria, Spain etc.

No matter what they have they will need to learn how to use it.

I feel Nigerians as well as anyone else can learn to safely use what

is given to them.

"it would still be in this post"

FALSE.

I trimmed all but your last post so as to not quote excessively.

I also forgot that you were referring to Nigerian kids even though I

had previously read it.

But that is an irrelevant point since they are capable of learning as

well.

Now, do you have to continue to complain about irrelevant posting

styles, or can you keep to the issues?

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

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> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> Are the kids in Spain and/or those responsible unable to learn how

>> to safely use a computer?

>> I would think they are more than intelligent enough to learn.

>>

>> If not, then the problem you suggest is very real.

>> But if they are able to learn, there will be minimal problems when

>> they are taught.

>>

>

> The kids referred to are Nigerian and live in Nigeria. Maybe if you

> read the article referenced ... it would still be in this post but

> because you top post and use a sig delimiter, T-Bird nukes your sig

> and everything below it as do most news readers not created by

> Microsoft.

>

> --

> Alias

>

> To email me, remove shoes

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November 5, 200717 yr

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Are the kids in Spain and/or those responsible unable to learn how to

> safely use a computer?

> I would think they are more than intelligent enough to learn.

>

> If not, then the problem you suggest is very real.

> But if they are able to learn, there will be minimal problems when they

> are taught.

>

I was actually half joking JJ. Even though there are many things I

don't like about windows (esp vista), it is a necessary evil in my life

right now (it brings in the bread), so I try to have a sense of humor

about it.

--

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"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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November 5, 200717 yr

Stephan

"when Microsoft expects me to shell out 400 bucks for Vista Ultimate"

No one had any such expectation.

Everyone decides for themselves their needs.

Similar to any product from any manufacturer.

"then I in turn expect my software to work"

An incorrect expectation.

There is no reason to expect most programs to perform better with

Windows Vista Ultimate than other less expensive versions of Windows

Vista.

The same applied when Windows XP came out 6 years ago.

If you purchased Windows Vista Ultimate, it was a choice you made.

Vista Ultimate like Home Basic have no comparisons in Windows XP.

If you were replacing Windows XP Pro, the closest is Windows Vista

Business and that is perhaps what you wanted.

Around here Home Premium is similar priced to XP Home while XP

Professional is similar to Vista Business.

If you chose to further upgrade to Ultimate, you should expect to pay

more.

If your programs do not work, perhaps you should return Windows Vista

if possible and you have not had it to long.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

news:jrCdnW2agrtH67LaRVnyuQA@giganews.com...

> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:07:50 -0800, Telstar wrote:

>

>> This is a bunch of crap.

>>

>> I bought Word 1 and Chart 1. I have been using the PC since it

>> came

>> out.

>>

>> Always there were upgrade and compatability issues. When the PC

>> went

>> from 16 to 32 bit in Windows, I had to modify and re-write hundreds

>> of

>> lines of code.

>

> Hundreds??? That was all!!?? Wow...let me bow to your "superiority".

>

>>

>> Where did you get the idea that everything worked between major OS

>> overhauls? That is ludicrous and shows that you are not

>> experienced.

>

> No, when Microsoft expects me to shell out 400 bucks for Vista

> Ultimate,

> which is more than twice as expensive as XP Professional, then I in

> turn

> expect my software to work. Period. I'm not moving from one OS to

> another, I am upgrading from one version of the same OS to another.

> How

> or why it does, I honestly don't give a crap.

>

> While the above may not be all that feasible under certain hardware

> conditions, such as moving from 16-bit to 32-bit....XP to Vista is

> no

> such change. Same hardware, just different version OS. So yes, I

> expect

> things to just work.

>

> My expectations are simply a little higher than that of the average

> fanboy.

>

> --

> Stephan

> 2003 Yamaha R6

>

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November 5, 200717 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> You have to take these things a case at a time. Chessmaster 10 was not

> Vista compatible, but Chessmaster 11 is.. take it up with them.

>

> So how do you like Compiz-Fusion. Has it increased your productivity in

> AbiWord yet?

>

LOL, you are just jealous of Alias, aren't you? )

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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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November 5, 200717 yr

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:13:04 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>

>> "the claim is that Linux is no good"

>> I NEVER suggested any such thing.

>> So your "Hypocrisy" point is little more than hot air.

>

> Nobody said you did. Charlie and I were speaking in general terms more

> than either one of us was directing anything at you.

>

Don't mind JJ, he is the most sensitive vista fan around these parts and

has tendancy to over-react.

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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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November 5, 200717 yr

That makes more sense.

I found it hard to believe you thought kids in one place are less

capable of learning than those in another.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

DiBoy'"

> I was actually half joking JJ. Even though there are many things I

> don't like about windows (esp vista), it is a necessary evil in my

> life right now (it brings in the bread), so I try to have a sense of

> humor about it.

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of

> the creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country.

> Consumer rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

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November 5, 200717 yr

"is the most sensitive"

And I see those who are insecure and have no control that they

regularly need to resort to insults, name calling and other personal

attacks as fitting best in that group.

And obviously there are a few on both sides that regularly display

that insecurity.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

DiBoy'" <none@none.not> wrote in message news:fgnunm$ub0$2@aioe.org...

> Don't mind JJ, he is the most sensitive vista fan around these parts

> and has tendancy to over-react.

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of

> the creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country.

> Consumer rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

Quote

> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9045405&intsrc=hm_list

November 5, 200717 yr

"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

news:fgngib$deo$2@aioe.org...

> Frank wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Jerry Atricks wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fgmrb2$v5$1@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>> Telstar wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:fgmqcv$rbo$4@aioe.org...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> dzomlija wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Get with the program! When new technology is released (in this

>>>>>>>> case,

>>>>>>>> Vista), you have two choices: Adapt or get left behind.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "The" program? Fortunately, the Vista Virus isn't the only program.

>>>>>>> Open Source is the future, not the Vista Virus. Adapt or get left

>>>>>>> behind.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Open source is a fiction. It absolutely does not exist.

>>>>>>

>>>>> Talk about being brainwashed, Telstar, you take the cake. Open Source

>>>>> is Microsoft's worse nightmare.

>>>>

>>>> Yea, right. Microsoft doesn't even flinch when they hear about Open

>>>> Source software.

>>>

>>> Yeah, right, that's why they offered people who are buying a ASUS laptop

>>> with Linux Vista for 40 wimpy US dollars. Pull the other one, chum, it

>>> has bells on it.

>>>

>>>> It is just a speck of dust on their shirt. You keep preaching and the

>>>> followers will come. Be prepared to accept another 15 users over the

>>>> next 3 years!!!!!

>>>

>>> I can see you aren't informed. When you are, get back to me. You might

>>> want to look into how MS bribed the Nigerian authorities to accept

>>> Windows instead of Linux for starters.

>>>

>>

>> More fukkin lies form out resident liar? Great! But this time we're onto

>> you're lying routine so you're only lying to yourself.

>> How wonderful!

>> Frank

>

>

> Oops.

>

> --

> Alias

>

> To email me, remove shoes

Why would the government have to pay anything for this wonderful freeware

opensource system?

Quote

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

November 5, 200717 yr

"john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Frustrated as hell" <Frustrated as hell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> in message news:4ED83358-D310-4A27-BB46-1CD0B26D1C9F@microsoft.com...

>>

>> So, here's my question. WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH VISTA???? I mean, was

>> there

>> some Downs Syndrome victim that got hired by Microsoft on some

>> affirmative

>> action program for degenerates with bad chromosomes and then decided that

>> a

>> thing that actually works (i.e. Windows XP) is too good to sell to

>> people? Or

>> was it the Windows marketing team who drove the project? You know, kinda

>> like

>> the marketing team from Scott Addams' Dilbert comic strip... you know,

>> the

>> ones that came up with a brilliant idea of UNDERWATER BARBECUE...

>>

>

> here's the moron in action:

> kinda gives you a whole new insight into why Vista is like it is, doesn't

> it?

>

here's another

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November 5, 200717 yr

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:07:50 -0800, Telstar wrote:

>

>> This is a bunch of crap.

>>

>> I bought Word 1 and Chart 1. I have been using the PC since it came

>> out.

>>

>> Always there were upgrade and compatability issues. When the PC went

>> from 16 to 32 bit in Windows, I had to modify and re-write hundreds of

>> lines of code.

My bad...I meant hundreds (780 to be exact) of pages of code.

>

> Hundreds??? That was all!!?? Wow...let me bow to your "superiority".

>

>>

>> Where did you get the idea that everything worked between major OS

>> overhauls? That is ludicrous and shows that you are not experienced.

>

> No, when Microsoft expects me to shell out 400 bucks for Vista Ultimate,

> which is more than twice as expensive as XP Professional, then I in turn

> expect my software to work. Period. I'm not moving from one OS to

> another, I am upgrading from one version of the same OS to another. How

> or why it does, I honestly don't give a crap.

>

> While the above may not be all that feasible under certain hardware

> conditions, such as moving from 16-bit to 32-bit....XP to Vista is no

> such change. Same hardware, just different version OS. So yes, I expect

> things to just work.

>

> My expectations are simply a little higher than that of the average

> fanboy.

>

> --

> Stephan

> 2003 Yamaha R6

>

> ???????????????

> ?????????????

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http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

November 5, 200717 yr

'Jealous of' may be too strong. 'Amused by' is closer..

--

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Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

<none@none.not> wrote in message news:fgnukf$ub0$1@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> You have to take these things a case at a time. Chessmaster 10 was not

>> Vista compatible, but Chessmaster 11 is.. take it up with them.

>>

>> So how do you like Compiz-Fusion. Has it increased your productivity in

>> AbiWord yet?

>>

>

> LOL, you are just jealous of Alias, aren't you? )

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on free

> speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

Quote

>>http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9045405&intsrc=hm_list

November 5, 200717 yr

Telstar wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

> news:fgngib$deo$2@aioe.org...

>

>>Frank wrote:

>>

>>>Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>>Jerry Atricks wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

>>>>>news:fgmrb2$v5$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>>Telstar wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>news:fgmqcv$rbo$4@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>dzomlija wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>Get with the program! When new technology is released (in this

>>>>>>>>>case,

>>>>>>>>>Vista), you have two choices: Adapt or get left behind.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>"The" program? Fortunately, the Vista Virus isn't the only program.

>>>>>>>>Open Source is the future, not the Vista Virus. Adapt or get left

>>>>>>>>behind.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>--

>>>>>>>>Alias

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Open source is a fiction. It absolutely does not exist.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Talk about being brainwashed, Telstar, you take the cake. Open Source

>>>>>>is Microsoft's worse nightmare.

>>>>>

>>>>>Yea, right. Microsoft doesn't even flinch when they hear about Open

>>>>>Source software.

>>>>

>>>>Yeah, right, that's why they offered people who are buying a ASUS laptop

>>>>with Linux Vista for 40 wimpy US dollars. Pull the other one, chum, it

>>>>has bells on it.

>>>>

>>>>> It is just a speck of dust on their shirt. You keep preaching and the

>>>>>followers will come. Be prepared to accept another 15 users over the

>>>>>next 3 years!!!!!

>>>>

>>>>I can see you aren't informed. When you are, get back to me. You might

>>>>want to look into how MS bribed the Nigerian authorities to accept

>>>>Windows instead of Linux for starters.

>>>>

>>>

>>>More fukkin lies form out resident liar? Great! But this time we're onto

>>>you're lying routine so you're only lying to yourself.

>>>How wonderful!

>>>Frank

>>

>>

>>Oops.

>>

>>--

>>Alias

>>

>>To email me, remove shoes

>

> Why would the government have to pay anything for this wonderful freeware

> opensource system?

>

Ut oh! They don't want to talk about that.

Frank

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

November 5, 200717 yr

john wrote:

> "Frustrated as hell" <Frustrated as hell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message news:4ED83358-D310-4A27-BB46-1CD0B26D1C9F@microsoft.com...

>

>>So, here's my question. WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH VISTA???? I mean, was

>>there

>>some Downs Syndrome victim that got hired by Microsoft on some affirmative

>>action program for degenerates with bad chromosomes and then decided that

>>a

>>thing that actually works (i.e. Windows XP) is too good to sell to people?

>>Or

>>was it the Windows marketing team who drove the project? You know, kinda

>>like

>>the marketing team from Scott Addams' Dilbert comic strip... you know, the

>>ones that came up with a brilliant idea of UNDERWATER BARBECUE...

>>

>

> here's the moron in action:

> kinda gives you a whole new insight into why Vista is like it is, doesn't

> it?

>

hehehe...if SB is a moron and one of the riches persons in the world

what does that make a penny-less loser like you?

Tell us!

Frank

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November 5, 200717 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> 'Jealous of' may be too strong. 'Envious' is closer..

>

OIC...

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"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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November 5, 200717 yr

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:29:07 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Stephan

> "when Microsoft expects me to shell out 400 bucks for Vista Ultimate" No

> one had any such expectation.

> Everyone decides for themselves their needs. Similar to any product from

> any manufacturer.

>

> "then I in turn expect my software to work" An incorrect expectation.

> There is no reason to expect most programs to perform better with

> Windows Vista Ultimate than other less expensive versions of Windows

> Vista.

> The same applied when Windows XP came out 6 years ago.

>

> If you purchased Windows Vista Ultimate, it was a choice you made. Vista

> Ultimate like Home Basic have no comparisons in Windows XP. If you were

> replacing Windows XP Pro, the closest is Windows Vista Business and that

> is perhaps what you wanted. Around here Home Premium is similar priced

> to XP Home while XP Professional is similar to Vista Business. If you

> chose to further upgrade to Ultimate, you should expect to pay more.

Business though has no significant multimedia support right? Which XP Pro

does. So there, that would make business an unsuitable replacement.

That said, I also don't like buying castrated operating systems that are

missing features.

>

> If your programs do not work, perhaps you should return Windows Vista if

> possible and you have not had it to long.

I'm a programmer, I ultimately need to have Vista around as I need to

support it.

And ultimately, everyone else is going to be in the same boat. They'll

end up needing to buy a new PC and be stuck with vista due to no XP

drivers. Or they'll need to switch to vista because of software they need

that is now Vista only.

And that is then where the fun starts. Where now one is dealing with the

problem where they have things that don't work that in my opinion should.

I expect a company like Microsoft to simply to do better.

If an OS like Linux can do better, why can't Microsoft? Upgrading from

any version of Ubuntu to next does not break any of my software nor does

it break any of my hardware support. Why can't Microsoft do this?

I mean Microsoft actually DOES do this, with some things. They do it with

DirectX. DX7 didn't break DX6. DX8 didn't break DX7. DX9 didn't break

DX8. DX10 doesn't break DX9. Why? Because they just implemented each

version as a new API.

So if they want to clean up windows, why not do it the same thing? Why

not simply leave the win32 API as it is and ensure all existing

applications will continue to work with it and create a new API to use

for new Vista software. Personally I'd actually welcome Microsoft

creating a new API rather than continuously mucking around in the Win32

API and breaking compatibility all over the place. Such a concept would

ensure compatibility while simultaneously giving a fresh start.

That's essentially how Linux operates and it works exceedingly well from

my experiences so far.

So unlike a lot of people, I can understand why the compatibility

problems exist in vista and what the reasons are. But just because I am

capable of understand it does not mean I have to agree with it or like

it. Especially not when I personally know that it could be done better.

But try explaining this to the average person that doesn't, nor likely

will, understand why their software and hardware won't work. The only

understand that it doesn't work and that they now need to pay for new

things the ultimately didn't actually need. The need is artificially

created by a lack of compatibility.

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November 5, 200717 yr

OINK?

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"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

<none@none.not> wrote in message news:fgo2b8$bqd$1@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> 'Jealous of' may be too strong. 'Envious' is closer..

>>

>

> OINK...

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on free

> speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

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>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9045405&intsrc=hm_list

November 5, 200717 yr

"Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message

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>

> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

>>

>>

> Why would the government have to pay anything for this wonderful freeware

> opensource system?

Perhaps mandriva isn't covered by the gpl? and all those that have already

downloaded it free are criminals?

Maybe someone is scamming the Nigerians?

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November 5, 200717 yr

"explaining this to the average person"

But who is the average person?

The average person probably purchases a system with the installed

operating system therefore much of the compatibility you refer is

nonexistent.

They may have some hardware and software issues but not to the extent

as those that upgrade from one OS to another.

Those that upgrade instead are above average and should be aware of

the potential pitfalls of an upgrade.

People need to learn and it can be explained to them when necessary.

"The need is artificially created by a lack of compatibility"

Not always.

It is not near that simplistic.

Sometimes it is because of poorly written programs as well as

countless other reasons.

Like any other product change, people need to learn the differences

and affects.

And if that is done in advance, all the better.

The information on compatibility is already widely available.

Why do people purchase without checking?

Why do sales people not help the customer verify they are ready for

the upgrade?

Similar answers apply to just about any type of product from any

source.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:29:07 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>

>> Stephan

>> "when Microsoft expects me to shell out 400 bucks for Vista

>> Ultimate" No

>> one had any such expectation.

>> Everyone decides for themselves their needs. Similar to any product

>> from

>> any manufacturer.

>>

>> "then I in turn expect my software to work" An incorrect

>> expectation.

>> There is no reason to expect most programs to perform better with

>> Windows Vista Ultimate than other less expensive versions of

>> Windows

>> Vista.

>> The same applied when Windows XP came out 6 years ago.

>>

>> If you purchased Windows Vista Ultimate, it was a choice you made.

>> Vista

>> Ultimate like Home Basic have no comparisons in Windows XP. If you

>> were

>> replacing Windows XP Pro, the closest is Windows Vista Business and

>> that

>> is perhaps what you wanted. Around here Home Premium is similar

>> priced

>> to XP Home while XP Professional is similar to Vista Business. If

>> you

>> chose to further upgrade to Ultimate, you should expect to pay

>> more.

>

> Business though has no significant multimedia support right? Which

> XP Pro

> does. So there, that would make business an unsuitable replacement.

>

> That said, I also don't like buying castrated operating systems that

> are

> missing features.

>

>>

>> If your programs do not work, perhaps you should return Windows

>> Vista if

>> possible and you have not had it to long.

>

> I'm a programmer, I ultimately need to have Vista around as I need

> to

> support it.

>

> And ultimately, everyone else is going to be in the same boat.

> They'll

> end up needing to buy a new PC and be stuck with vista due to no XP

> drivers. Or they'll need to switch to vista because of software they

> need

> that is now Vista only.

>

> And that is then where the fun starts. Where now one is dealing with

> the

> problem where they have things that don't work that in my opinion

> should.

> I expect a company like Microsoft to simply to do better.

>

> If an OS like Linux can do better, why can't Microsoft? Upgrading

> from

> any version of Ubuntu to next does not break any of my software nor

> does

> it break any of my hardware support. Why can't Microsoft do this?

>

> I mean Microsoft actually DOES do this, with some things. They do it

> with

> DirectX. DX7 didn't break DX6. DX8 didn't break DX7. DX9 didn't

> break

> DX8. DX10 doesn't break DX9. Why? Because they just implemented each

> version as a new API.

>

> So if they want to clean up windows, why not do it the same thing?

> Why

> not simply leave the win32 API as it is and ensure all existing

> applications will continue to work with it and create a new API to

> use

> for new Vista software. Personally I'd actually welcome Microsoft

> creating a new API rather than continuously mucking around in the

> Win32

> API and breaking compatibility all over the place. Such a concept

> would

> ensure compatibility while simultaneously giving a fresh start.

>

> That's essentially how Linux operates and it works exceedingly well

> from

> my experiences so far.

>

> So unlike a lot of people, I can understand why the compatibility

> problems exist in vista and what the reasons are. But just because I

> am

> capable of understand it does not mean I have to agree with it or

> like

> it. Especially not when I personally know that it could be done

> better.

>

> But try explaining this to the average person that doesn't, nor

> likely

> will, understand why their software and hardware won't work. The

> only

> understand that it doesn't work and that they now need to pay for

> new

> things the ultimately didn't actually need. The need is artificially

> created by a lack of compatibility.

>

> --

> Stephan

> 2003 Yamaha R6

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