Who came up with VISTA?

Posted November 5, 200717 yr

After a week of beating my head against the green/blue wall (my monitor

screen)... I give up. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not one of the techies who

has the wisdom to upgrade from one version of windows to another. No, I'm

just an average Shmo who got his computer fresh out of the box and said to

himself: "Geeeee... it's got one of them Vista thingies. Wow!" That's where

my excitement ended.

The computer (a brand new HP) is for my kids. Of the 5 (count them FIVE!)

kiddie programs I tried to load, 4 (count them FOUR!!!) return error messages

either upon attempts at installation or once they were (supposedly)

installed. [by the way, all of them installed just fine on my work computer

and my laptop both of these are running WindowsXP there are NOT super duper

high-tech programs either they are Chessmaster 10th ed., Chess Tactics for

Beginners[kids] Typing Tutor for Kids, etc.). Like the last idiot on Earth,

I called each of the software manufacturers support centers and got the same

answer... Something along the lines of: "You know, lately we've been getting

a lot of call from people who run VISTA. Our product just doesn't work with

Vista. Did you try calling Microsoft?" Yeah... right... did YOU TRY CALLING

MICROSOFT???

So, here's my question. WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH VISTA???? I mean, was there

some Downs Syndrome victim that got hired by Microsoft on some affirmative

action program for degenerates with bad chromosomes and then decided that a

thing that actually works (i.e. Windows XP) is too good to sell to people? Or

was it the Windows marketing team who drove the project? You know, kinda like

the marketing team from Scott Addams' Dilbert comic strip... you know, the

ones that came up with a brilliant idea of UNDERWATER BARBECUE...

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November 5, 200717 yr

New releases of Windows tend to break compatibility with device drivers and

software. It is just the reality, the current situation you are in, many

faced it when Windows XP, 2000, NT 4 and even when Windows 95 was released.

The real issue here is not Microsoft, its the developers of those same

application programs. Its kind of insulting for large developers like the

ones you mentioned to not offer compatibility updates or new versions of the

product to support Vista.

Why? Well, if you can have 12 year olds in a Vista beta program, why

couldn't a major developer like them also get access to Vista at beta 1 code

to test compatibility with their applications? Even if they couldn't get

beta 1, Microsoft released a public beta of Vista at beta 2, so anybody

could have gotten access to the code to test their apps on from early and

ensure compatibilty on or some time after RTM.

The only recommendation I have is to try and run the programs in

compatibility mode, right click the application/game executable, click

Properties > go to the 'Compatibility' tab > check the 'Run this in

compatibility mode for' box and select an appropriate version of Windows the

applications you mentioned are known to work with. If that does not, you can

try returning the PC under warranty and request that the system be

reinstalled with Windows XP. If they can't do that, the only alternative is

the purchase a copy of Windows XP and install it in something called Virtual

PC 2007 then run your applications on top of it.

--

Andre

Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com

My Vista Quickstart Guide:

http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

"Frustrated as hell" <Frustrated as hell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

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> After a week of beating my head against the green/blue wall (my monitor

> screen)... I give up. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not one of the techies who

> has the wisdom to upgrade from one version of windows to another. No, I'm

> just an average Shmo who got his computer fresh out of the box and said to

> himself: "Geeeee... it's got one of them Vista thingies. Wow!" That's

> where

> my excitement ended.

>

> The computer (a brand new HP) is for my kids. Of the 5 (count them FIVE!)

> kiddie programs I tried to load, 4 (count them FOUR!!!) return error

> messages

> either upon attempts at installation or once they were (supposedly)

> installed. [by the way, all of them installed just fine on my work

> computer

> and my laptop both of these are running WindowsXP there are NOT super

> duper

> high-tech programs either they are Chessmaster 10th ed., Chess Tactics

> for

> Beginners[kids] Typing Tutor for Kids, etc.). Like the last idiot on

> Earth,

> I called each of the software manufacturers support centers and got the

> same

> answer... Something along the lines of: "You know, lately we've been

> getting

> a lot of call from people who run VISTA. Our product just doesn't work

> with

> Vista. Did you try calling Microsoft?" Yeah... right... did YOU TRY

> CALLING

> MICROSOFT???

>

> So, here's my question. WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH VISTA???? I mean, was

> there

> some Downs Syndrome victim that got hired by Microsoft on some affirmative

> action program for degenerates with bad chromosomes and then decided that

> a

> thing that actually works (i.e. Windows XP) is too good to sell to people?

> Or

> was it the Windows marketing team who drove the project? You know, kinda

> like

> the marketing team from Scott Addams' Dilbert comic strip... you know, the

> ones that came up with a brilliant idea of UNDERWATER BARBECUE...

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Frustrated as hell wrote:

> After a week of beating my head against the green/blue wall (my monitor

> screen)... I give up. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not one of the techies who

> has the wisdom to upgrade from one version of windows to another. No, I'm

> just an average Shmo who got his computer fresh out of the box and said to

> himself: "Geeeee... it's got one of them Vista thingies. Wow!" That's where

> my excitement ended.

>

> The computer (a brand new HP) is for my kids. Of the 5 (count them FIVE!)

> kiddie programs I tried to load, 4 (count them FOUR!!!) return error messages

> either upon attempts at installation or once they were (supposedly)

> installed. [by the way, all of them installed just fine on my work computer

> and my laptop both of these are running WindowsXP there are NOT super duper

> high-tech programs either they are Chessmaster 10th ed., Chess Tactics for

> Beginners[kids] Typing Tutor for Kids, etc.). Like the last idiot on Earth,

> I called each of the software manufacturers support centers and got the same

> answer... Something along the lines of: "You know, lately we've been getting

> a lot of call from people who run VISTA. Our product just doesn't work with

> Vista. Did you try calling Microsoft?" Yeah... right... did YOU TRY CALLING

> MICROSOFT???

>

> So, here's my question. WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH VISTA???? I mean, was there

> some Downs Syndrome victim that got hired by Microsoft on some affirmative

> action program for degenerates with bad chromosomes and then decided that a

> thing that actually works (i.e. Windows XP) is too good to sell to people? Or

> was it the Windows marketing team who drove the project? You know, kinda like

> the marketing team from Scott Addams' Dilbert comic strip... you know, the

> ones that came up with a brilliant idea of UNDERWATER BARBECUE...

Have you got a spare XP CD? Something that was from an old machine you

are no longer using?

You could try the MS Virtual machine (Which would run under Vista) and

load into it XP, then run the games under that... if they are not too

heavy on graphics you should be okay.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:17:29 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"

<andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:

>New releases of Windows tend to break compatibility with device drivers and

>software.

That is total MS 'drink the Koolaid' baloney.

The same apps that work on 95- 98 - WinXP - NT and 2000

are stopped dead in their tracks with Vista.

Why the heck should all the developers in the world rewrite their

software because Microsoft decides they can all go to hell?

The only reason Vista is selling is because it's now Forceware.

The average person is forced to take on on their new PC.

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November 5, 200717 yr

Microsoft has made considerable changes to the user and security priviledges

in Vista. The addition of UAC is another example of this, developers for

years have had a open field, they were not reigned in, it came at a

significant cost with numerous attacks that plagued XP. Microsoft tried to

resolve some of it with XP SP2 but its obvious that would not be enough and

even XP SP2 itself had compatibility issues with some apps such as NERO and

Antivirus.

Its not forceware, its not a kool aid trick, its the reality of the changes

to the system. If Vista is forcing anything on any developer its to start

writing more secure applications.

--

Andre

Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com

My Vista Quickstart Guide:

http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

"WaIIy" <eIvez@ChangeThisPart.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:17:29 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"

> <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>>New releases of Windows tend to break compatibility with device drivers

>>and

>>software.

>

> That is total MS 'drink the Koolaid' baloney.

>

> The same apps that work on 95- 98 - WinXP - NT and 2000

> are stopped dead in their tracks with Vista.

>

> Why the heck should all the developers in the world rewrite their

> software because Microsoft decides they can all go to hell?

>

> The only reason Vista is selling is because it's now Forceware.

>

> The average person is forced to take on on their new PC.

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November 5, 200717 yr

Most programs work with windows Vista but some do not.

Have you tried compatibility Mode:

Right click the program icon and click Properties.

Click Compatibility tab.

Make selections from there.

However if the program manufacturers say their program is not

supported, the programs may not work until a patch or update is issued

by the manufacturer.

If Windows XP is preferred, return the computer and purchase one with

Windows XP.

Toshiba, Dell and possibly other major OEMs as well as many local

shops continue to sell computers with Windows XP.

In the future check compatibility of essential hardware and software

before considering a new product.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

"Frustrated as hell" <Frustrated as hell@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote in message

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> After a week of beating my head against the green/blue wall (my

> monitor

> screen)... I give up. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not one of the

> techies who

> has the wisdom to upgrade from one version of windows to another.

> No, I'm

> just an average Shmo who got his computer fresh out of the box and

> said to

> himself: "Geeeee... it's got one of them Vista thingies. Wow!"

> That's where

> my excitement ended.

>

> The computer (a brand new HP) is for my kids. Of the 5 (count them

> FIVE!)

> kiddie programs I tried to load, 4 (count them FOUR!!!) return error

> messages

> either upon attempts at installation or once they were (supposedly)

> installed. [by the way, all of them installed just fine on my work

> computer

> and my laptop both of these are running WindowsXP there are NOT

> super duper

> high-tech programs either they are Chessmaster 10th ed., Chess

> Tactics for

> Beginners[kids] Typing Tutor for Kids, etc.). Like the last idiot

> on Earth,

> I called each of the software manufacturers support centers and got

> the same

> answer... Something along the lines of: "You know, lately we've been

> getting

> a lot of call from people who run VISTA. Our product just doesn't

> work with

> Vista. Did you try calling Microsoft?" Yeah... right... did YOU TRY

> CALLING

> MICROSOFT???

>

> So, here's my question. WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH VISTA???? I mean,

> was there

> some Downs Syndrome victim that got hired by Microsoft on some

> affirmative

> action program for degenerates with bad chromosomes and then decided

> that a

> thing that actually works (i.e. Windows XP) is too good to sell to

> people? Or

> was it the Windows marketing team who drove the project? You know,

> kinda like

> the marketing team from Scott Addams' Dilbert comic strip... you

> know, the

> ones that came up with a brilliant idea of UNDERWATER BARBECUE...

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WaIIy504022 Wrote:

> That is total MS 'drink the Koolaid' baloney.

>

> The same apps that work on 95- 98 - WinXP - NT and 2000 are stopped

> dead in their tracks with Vista.

>

> Why the heck should all the developers in the world rewrite their

> software because Microsoft decides they can all go to hell?

>

> The only reason Vista is selling is because it's now Forceware.

>

> The average person is forced to take on on their new PC.

I'll be they said something similar when we first got cars:

User: "There is nowhere on this contraption for me to attach my horse.

You card is crap"

Ford: "You don't need a horse. It uses an internal combustion engine."

User: "But I love my horse, and want to continue using it".

Ford: "Then you should not have bought the car"

Get with the program! When new technology is released (in this case,

Vista), you have two choices: Adapt or get left behind.

No-one forces developers to rewrite their software because of a new OS.

It's good business sense to update their software to work with the new

features of a new OS, pure and simple.

--

dzomlija

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Similar happened at the time Windows XP was released 6 years ago.

At every new version, many older programs worked while some did not.

This is not new to Windows Vista.

"Why the heck should all the developers..."

Obviously "all" do not have to since many programs do work.

Some of those that do not work are poorly written and need to be fixed

by their developers.

"...is because it's now Forceware"

Not true at all since there have always been choices and there

continue to be choices.

Who are you defining as the "The average person"?

There are choices at local shops and the major OEMs.

Windows XP, Linux and other operating systems continue to be

available.

However if you define "The average person" as someone that does not

look at all and does no research, you are partly correct only for

those that do not see other options available.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

"WaIIy" <eIvez@ChangeThisPart.com> wrote in message

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> That is total MS 'drink the Koolaid' baloney.

>

> The same apps that work on 95- 98 - WinXP - NT and 2000

> are stopped dead in their tracks with Vista.

>

> Why the heck should all the developers in the world rewrite their

> software because Microsoft decides they can all go to hell?

>

> The only reason Vista is selling is because it's now Forceware.

>

> The average person is forced to take on on their new PC.

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"WaIIy" <eIvez@ChangeThisPart.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:17:29 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"

> <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>>New releases of Windows tend to break compatibility with device drivers

>>and

>>software.

>

> That is total MS 'drink the Koolaid' baloney.

>

> The same apps that work on 95- 98 - WinXP - NT and 2000

> are stopped dead in their tracks with Vista.

No they are NOT. My program, using extensive calls to other products,

written in visual basic ... works in comptability mode in Vista.

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"Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message

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>

> "WaIIy" <eIvez@ChangeThisPart.com> wrote in message

> news:flfti3huhumj9r60dke5r85g6gg6a0g4mk@4ax.com...

>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:17:29 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"

>> <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>New releases of Windows tend to break compatibility with device drivers

>>>and

>>>software.

>>

>> That is total MS 'drink the Koolaid' baloney.

>>

>> The same apps that work on 95- 98 - WinXP - NT and 2000

>> are stopped dead in their tracks with Vista.

>

> No they are NOT. My program, using extensive calls to other products,

> written in visual basic ... works in comptability mode in Vista.

The code was written between 1990 and 2002.

>

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November 5, 200717 yr

While it is true some OEMs offer XP machines, have you actually checked the

selection of machines XP is available on?

Unless you're a corporate customer buying a few hundred machines, only the

highest priced machines are available with XP.

To me that makes the 'get an XP machine and do your homework' invalid

argument and/or piece of advice.

All software makers need a swift kick in the Vista...

if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd, & feels like a turd...putting

it in a Baby Ruth wrapper doesn't make it a Baby Ruth.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

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> Most programs work with windows Vista but some do not.

> Have you tried compatibility Mode:

> Right click the program icon and click Properties.

> Click Compatibility tab.

> Make selections from there.

> However if the program manufacturers say their program is not supported,

> the programs may not work until a patch or update is issued by the

> manufacturer.

>

> If Windows XP is preferred, return the computer and purchase one with

> Windows XP.

> Toshiba, Dell and possibly other major OEMs as well as many local shops

> continue to sell computers with Windows XP.

>

> In the future check compatibility of essential hardware and software

> before considering a new product.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

> "Frustrated as hell" <Frustrated as hell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> in message news:4ED83358-D310-4A27-BB46-1CD0B26D1C9F@microsoft.com...

>> After a week of beating my head against the green/blue wall (my monitor

>> screen)... I give up. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not one of the techies

>> who

>> has the wisdom to upgrade from one version of windows to another. No, I'm

>> just an average Shmo who got his computer fresh out of the box and said

>> to

>> himself: "Geeeee... it's got one of them Vista thingies. Wow!" That's

>> where

>> my excitement ended.

>>

>> The computer (a brand new HP) is for my kids. Of the 5 (count them FIVE!)

>> kiddie programs I tried to load, 4 (count them FOUR!!!) return error

>> messages

>> either upon attempts at installation or once they were (supposedly)

>> installed. [by the way, all of them installed just fine on my work

>> computer

>> and my laptop both of these are running WindowsXP there are NOT super

>> duper

>> high-tech programs either they are Chessmaster 10th ed., Chess Tactics

>> for

>> Beginners[kids] Typing Tutor for Kids, etc.). Like the last idiot on

>> Earth,

>> I called each of the software manufacturers support centers and got the

>> same

>> answer... Something along the lines of: "You know, lately we've been

>> getting

>> a lot of call from people who run VISTA. Our product just doesn't work

>> with

>> Vista. Did you try calling Microsoft?" Yeah... right... did YOU TRY

>> CALLING

>> MICROSOFT???

>>

>> So, here's my question. WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH VISTA???? I mean, was

>> there

>> some Downs Syndrome victim that got hired by Microsoft on some

>> affirmative

>> action program for degenerates with bad chromosomes and then decided that

>> a

>> thing that actually works (i.e. Windows XP) is too good to sell to

>> people? Or

>> was it the Windows marketing team who drove the project? You know, kinda

>> like

>> the marketing team from Scott Addams' Dilbert comic strip... you know,

>> the

>> ones that came up with a brilliant idea of UNDERWATER BARBECUE...

>

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:30:08 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Most programs work with windows Vista but some do not. Have you tried

> compatibility Mode:

> Right click the program icon and click Properties. Click Compatibility

> tab.

> Make selections from there.

> However if the program manufacturers say their program is not supported,

> the programs may not work until a patch or update is issued by the

> manufacturer.

>

> If Windows XP is preferred, return the computer and purchase one with

> Windows XP.

> Toshiba, Dell and possibly other major OEMs as well as many local shops

> continue to sell computers with Windows XP.

>

> In the future check compatibility of essential hardware and software

> before considering a new product.

You know what I keep seeing regarding vista? From bother users and people

such as yourself?

The same exact identical arguments, problems and solutions when someone

tries to migrate away from windows and runs into a problem.

It looks to me like Microsoft took the *one* thing that gave Windows it's

edge and threw it out the window: The "Everything (mostly) just works"

because it quite obviously doesn't mostly just work anymore.

So what's the response when software doesn't work?

Fingers are pointed at the software developers of said software.

What's the response when hardware doesn't work?

Fingers are pointed at the hardware developers of said software.

Somehow this sounds exceedingly identical as to what happens when someone

tries to switch to linux from windows using their windows-only software

and windows-only hardware and runs into subsequent problems.

Thing of it is, when migrating from one completely different OS to

another, one can and should expect such things.

When migrating from one version of one OS to a new version of the SAME

OS, one shouldn't have to expect such things. I'll buy it that there

could be the oddball app or hardware that no longer works. However, in

Vista's case, we aren't talking oddball app / hardware here. It sounds to

me that the problem is far more widespread and common.

I mean, Microsoft's OWN software gives warnings under Vista that it is

not compatible...their OWN FRIGGING SOFTWARE!!

Need I really say more?

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No-one forced you to buy vista, you cockhead!

"WaIIy" wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:17:29 -0500, "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]"

> <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> >New releases of Windows tend to break compatibility with device drivers and

> >software.

>

> That is total MS 'drink the Koolaid' baloney.

>

> The same apps that work on 95- 98 - WinXP - NT and 2000

> are stopped dead in their tracks with Vista.

>

> Why the heck should all the developers in the world rewrite their

> software because Microsoft decides they can all go to hell?

>

> The only reason Vista is selling is because it's now Forceware.

>

> The average person is forced to take on on their new PC.

>

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you are totally correct.. vista was made by monkeys

dont listen to the fanboy excuses....

vista is rotten....

"Frustrated as hell" <Frustrated as hell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

message news:4ED83358-D310-4A27-BB46-1CD0B26D1C9F@microsoft.com...

> After a week of beating my head against the green/blue wall (my monitor

> screen)... I give up. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not one of the techies who

> has the wisdom to upgrade from one version of windows to another. No, I'm

> just an average Shmo who got his computer fresh out of the box and said to

> himself: "Geeeee... it's got one of them Vista thingies. Wow!" That's

> where

> my excitement ended.

>

> The computer (a brand new HP) is for my kids. Of the 5 (count them FIVE!)

> kiddie programs I tried to load, 4 (count them FOUR!!!) return error

> messages

> either upon attempts at installation or once they were (supposedly)

> installed. [by the way, all of them installed just fine on my work

> computer

> and my laptop both of these are running WindowsXP there are NOT super

> duper

> high-tech programs either they are Chessmaster 10th ed., Chess Tactics

> for

> Beginners[kids] Typing Tutor for Kids, etc.). Like the last idiot on

> Earth,

> I called each of the software manufacturers support centers and got the

> same

> answer... Something along the lines of: "You know, lately we've been

> getting

> a lot of call from people who run VISTA. Our product just doesn't work

> with

> Vista. Did you try calling Microsoft?" Yeah... right... did YOU TRY

> CALLING

> MICROSOFT???

>

> So, here's my question. WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH VISTA???? I mean, was

> there

> some Downs Syndrome victim that got hired by Microsoft on some affirmative

> action program for degenerates with bad chromosomes and then decided that

> a

> thing that actually works (i.e. Windows XP) is too good to sell to people?

> Or

> was it the Windows marketing team who drove the project? You know, kinda

> like

> the marketing team from Scott Addams' Dilbert comic strip... you know, the

> ones that came up with a brilliant idea of UNDERWATER BARBECUE...

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This is a bunch of crap.

I bought Word 1 and Chart 1. I have been using the PC since it came out.

Always there were upgrade and compatability issues. When the PC went from

16 to 32 bit in Windows, I had to modify and re-write hundreds of lines of

code.

Where did you get the idea that everything worked between major OS

overhauls? That is ludicrous and shows that you are not experienced.

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"Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message

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> This is a bunch of crap.

>

> I bought Word 1 and Chart 1. I have been using the PC since it came out.

>

> Always there were upgrade and compatability issues. When the PC went from

> 16 to 32 bit in Windows, I had to modify and re-write hundreds of lines of

> code.

>

> Where did you get the idea that everything worked between major OS

> overhauls? That is ludicrous and shows that you are not experienced.

>

I also suggest you ask what happened to users when the Mac changed to OSX.

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dzomlija wrote:

>

> Get with the program! When new technology is released (in this case,

> Vista), you have two choices: Adapt or get left behind.

"The" program? Fortunately, the Vista Virus isn't the only program. Open

Source is the future, not the Vista Virus. Adapt or get left behind.

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> dzomlija wrote:

>>

>> Get with the program! When new technology is released (in this case,

>> Vista), you have two choices: Adapt or get left behind.

>

> "The" program? Fortunately, the Vista Virus isn't the only program. Open

> Source is the future, not the Vista Virus. Adapt or get left behind.

>

> --

> Alias

>

> To email me, remove shoes

Open source is a fiction. It absolutely does not exist.

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Telstar wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

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>> dzomlija wrote:

>>> Get with the program! When new technology is released (in this case,

>>> Vista), you have two choices: Adapt or get left behind.

>> "The" program? Fortunately, the Vista Virus isn't the only program. Open

>> Source is the future, not the Vista Virus. Adapt or get left behind.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>>

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

> Open source is a fiction. It absolutely does not exist.

>

Talk about being brainwashed, Telstar, you take the cake. Open Source is

Microsoft's worse nightmare.

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"Frustrated as hell" <Frustrated as hell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

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> After a week of beating my head against the green/blue wall (my monitor

> screen)... I give up. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not one of the techies who

> has the wisdom to upgrade from one version of windows to another. No, I'm

> just an average Shmo who got his computer fresh out of the box and said to

> himself: "Geeeee... it's got one of them Vista thingies. Wow!" That's

> where

> my excitement ended.

>

> The computer (a brand new HP) is for my kids. Of the 5 (count them FIVE!)

> kiddie programs I tried to load, 4 (count them FOUR!!!) return error

> messages

> either upon attempts at installation or once they were (supposedly)

> installed. [by the way, all of them installed just fine on my work

> computer

> and my laptop both of these are running WindowsXP there are NOT super

> duper

> high-tech programs either they are Chessmaster 10th ed., Chess Tactics

> for

> Beginners[kids] Typing Tutor for Kids, etc.). Like the last idiot on

> Earth,

> I called each of the software manufacturers support centers and got the

> same

> answer... Something along the lines of: "You know, lately we've been

> getting

> a lot of call from people who run VISTA. Our product just doesn't work

> with

> Vista. Did you try calling Microsoft?" Yeah... right... did YOU TRY

> CALLING

> MICROSOFT???

>

> So, here's my question. WHAT MORON CAME UP WITH VISTA???? I mean, was

> there

> some Downs Syndrome victim that got hired by Microsoft on some affirmative

> action program for degenerates with bad chromosomes and then decided that

> a

> thing that actually works (i.e. Windows XP) is too good to sell to people?

> Or

> was it the Windows marketing team who drove the project? You know, kinda

> like

> the marketing team from Scott Addams' Dilbert comic strip... you know, the

> ones that came up with a brilliant idea of UNDERWATER BARBECUE...

Do you have any idea how many computer viruses, worms, trojan horses and

other malicious software there are now? Did you know that the overwhelming

majority of them are made for Windows? This became so because Microsoft

has for two solid decades provided the average user with an operating

environment that has next to nothing in it in the way of user security.

Some think that MS went way overboard in Vista. I don't. I think MS simply

did what it should have done with DOS 1.0

Other brands of operating systems ALL have stringent levels of user controls

and security measures. You can't even install them without establishing a

minimum of security for at least two users.

It is just that nobody ever suspected the incredible entrepreneruial

capability of Mr. Bill himself. Albeit even HE didn't see the

repercussions, in the beginning. A secure OS for the Everman is way

overdue. Old Windows users have a real hard time with it. They simply

aren't familiar with "security".

Vista provides quite a bit more than just a 'minimum' level of security from

the outset. It also does provide ways to use it without hindrance. That,

however, is not a good way to run the OS.

And Vista has been in the making since XP was being developed. Vista could

offer more incremental settings than it does right now. Thus, sparing a

"Master Administrator" all the nagging while they are installing software,

creating, renaming, moving folders and files while all security is still in

place and all User accounts security is enforced. It isn't 'offered' by the

system, but you can create that. But. Do YOU really want to?

McG.

I know this post isn't going to help you.

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"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in

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> Its not forceware, its not a kool aid trick, its the reality of the

> changes to the system. If Vista is forcing anything on any developer

> its to start writing more secure applications.

That's just too funny....and BS.

There are hundred's of thousands, if not millions of applications of all

kinds written by developers around the world that would seemingly have no

security issues, based just on what their individual function is.

For years, the numero uno security risk has been Windows itself and IE, and

you can not deny that.

I have had to clean a hundred PC's of virus's, and spyware/adware, and the

method of infection has _always_ been IE.

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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:30:08 -0700, Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>

>> Most programs work with windows Vista but some do not. Have you tried

>> compatibility Mode:

>> Right click the program icon and click Properties. Click Compatibility

>> tab.

>> Make selections from there.

>> However if the program manufacturers say their program is not supported,

>> the programs may not work until a patch or update is issued by the

>> manufacturer.

>>

>> If Windows XP is preferred, return the computer and purchase one with

>> Windows XP.

>> Toshiba, Dell and possibly other major OEMs as well as many local shops

>> continue to sell computers with Windows XP.

>>

>> In the future check compatibility of essential hardware and software

>> before considering a new product.

>

> You know what I keep seeing regarding vista? From bother users and people

> such as yourself?

>

> The same exact identical arguments, problems and solutions when someone

> tries to migrate away from windows and runs into a problem.

>

> It looks to me like Microsoft took the *one* thing that gave Windows it's

> edge and threw it out the window: The "Everything (mostly) just works"

> because it quite obviously doesn't mostly just work anymore.

>

> So what's the response when software doesn't work?

>

> Fingers are pointed at the software developers of said software.

>

> What's the response when hardware doesn't work?

>

> Fingers are pointed at the hardware developers of said software.

>

> Somehow this sounds exceedingly identical as to what happens when someone

> tries to switch to linux from windows using their windows-only software

> and windows-only hardware and runs into subsequent problems.

>

> Thing of it is, when migrating from one completely different OS to

> another, one can and should expect such things.

>

> When migrating from one version of one OS to a new version of the SAME

> OS, one shouldn't have to expect such things. I'll buy it that there

> could be the oddball app or hardware that no longer works. However, in

> Vista's case, we aren't talking oddball app / hardware here. It sounds to

> me that the problem is far more widespread and common.

>

> I mean, Microsoft's OWN software gives warnings under Vista that it is

> not compatible...their OWN FRIGGING SOFTWARE!!

>

> Need I really say more?

>

Hehe, you notice the Hypocrisy here... when Windows software doesn't

work because it is incompatible with Linux (Like putting diesel in your

car it's not intended to work) the claim is that Linux is no good. When

Windows software doesn't work because it's incompatible with Windows

it's "The Software" that isn't any good. (Never mind that there is much

of Microsoft's own software that doesn't work properly).

So now I am curious... what if MS had included a copy of the VM and a

copy of the "Guts" of XP on a DVD so it was really easy to install and

you just have to click an icon to run the VM. Since it would be tied to

the PC it's hardly giving away a copy of anything and would have helped

a lot of customers over a rough period. Surely that would be worthy of

the name "Compatibility Mode" and yes, they might lose a few sales but

also a lot of aggravation.

???

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"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

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> dzomlija wrote:

>>

>> Get with the program! When new technology is released (in this case,

>> Vista), you have two choices: Adapt or get left behind.

>

> "The" program? Fortunately, the Vista Virus isn't the only program. Open

> Source is the future, not the Vista Virus. Adapt or get left behind.

Adapt and run windows like Alias does.

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