There's No Doubt: Vista Sucks, by Steve Bass

October 30, 200717 yr

"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Alias wrote:

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>> So maybe you can explain the fact that there are security

>>> vulnerability updates for Ubuntu if Linux is immune from them?

>>

>> Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. No OS is immune.

>

> Nonsense, the bullet-proof statement.

>

> There are fewer attempted incursions on Linux machines than Windows, that

> I grant.

>

> My on view, however, is that the reason there are fewer incursions is

> because there are fewer attempts. There are a several reasons for the lack

> of attacks:

>

> 1. There are magnitudes fewer Linux machines than Windows machines. If one

> is hunting ducks, one goes where the ducks are, and that place is

> certainly not the desert.

>

> 2. There's not much to be gained by attacking a Linux machine. Most are

> owned by adolescents who don't even have driver's licenses, much less

> credit cards. Nor is there any pride in disabling a machine owned by a

> tinkerer the script-kiddies want to take down Bank of America, not some

> game server that has nine members.

>

> 3. Most miscreants are, themselves, running Linux and - believe it or

> not - there is (some) honor among thieves. The Linux clan is so small that

> taking down one Linux machine is equivalent to mass murder taking down a

> dozen is genocide! These anti-social types do, amazingly, have some

> loyalty to their co-religionists even though their appreciation for the

> human race as a whole is suspect.

>

> 4. If some bit of malware, such as a pop-up infestation, did succeed in

> penetrating a Linux system, it is unlikely to be reported as such. Most

> likely, the operator would exclaim: "Wow, way cool! I love Linux!"

>

> No, claiming Linux is secure based on the evidence of few invasions is

> poor proof. Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom

> burglarized. Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom

> stolen. Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after as

> pets, and people never fish at the sewage treatment plant.

>

" Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom burglarized.

Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom stolen.

Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after as pets, and

people never fish at the sewage treatment plant. "

hehe...that was good.

Hey, Albright...guess what !!!

You can leave your doors unlocked, nobody will want you for a pet, and you

can safely swim without getting a fishing hook in your butt.

Life is good, yes ?

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October 30, 200717 yr

The Blaster worm was stopped very quickly. A patch had been released, and

workarounds were made public as I remember. ISPs also played their part in

stopping the spread. Like many 'severe' warnings, they are stopped very

quickly, and Lovesan was more prevalent where an inept user let it loose in

intranets.

I agree that one of the best ways to learn is to experiment, but surely it

is better to set up a honey pot machine with which to experiment, and not a

triple boot, and presumably, production machine?

You seem to be at variance with other naysayers regarding who is most

affected by Vista. Most of the trolls state that people who don't do 'real'

work on a computer, i.e. those not running an old version of Ubuntu and

AbiWord, are most likely not having problems with Vista, and that the power

user is more affected. You are more concerned for the group of users least

likely to have problems. Why so?

If you can get Vista to work well for yourself, why do you not help others

to achieve the same goal? One reason is blatantly obvious, of course. You

will be branded a Vistaboy, and you couldn't bear that, eh. You would

attract unwelcome attention from the resident Vista trolls, all one time XP

trolls.

You're a strange one for sure.

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Tie Various" <noneofyourbusiness@blabla.com> wrote in message

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> No big deal... the good with being knowledgeable is that even if things go

> wrong you can fix them fast.

>

> You must know that experimenting is part of learning.. and with all

> experimenting you take risks,

> and sometimes you do make mistakes... even if XP was got the blaster my pc

> was triple boot then.. lol

>

> who cares if my XP OS rebooted once? I fixed it fast and it never happened

> again.

>

> Even now from time to time I disable firewalls and antivirus programs when

> I want to try something that those 2 apps may effect like for example web

> servers. So what?

>

> The blaster worm was a punch in the nose for Microsoft... it did not

> affect me at all....

> it was the poor people who didnt know what hit them that was the problem..

>

> The same problem is now with vista.. Its not me who has a problem with

> it... I must make this clear.

> I can manage vista fine and make it work the way I want it to (although it

> is slow bloated and dumb)... but to other simple users its a nightmare.

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

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>> You disabled the firewall for some reason? How convenient. The Blaster

>> worm only caught out the unwary and the type of people who disabled

>> firewalls. Some of my 'silver surfer' clients did better than you,

>> remaining 'Blaster' free.. :-)

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>> Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

>>

>> "Tie Various" <noneofyourbusiness@blabla.com> wrote in message

>> news:47279e1d$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> baster took the world by surprise dumbell....

>>>

>>> If MS had predicted such a threat it would have warned people....

>>>

>>> no my computer was not begind a nat, and that day I had disabled the

>>> firewall for some reason...

>>>

>>> So? I fixed the baster problem in like 5 minutes.. big deal.....

>>>

>>> I was running mandrake linux most of the time then anyway.. I booted to

>>> XP just to see what everyone was blabering about....

>>>

>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:ueNNmPyGIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> It seems you are lying outright.

>>>> Or are you totally unaware of what you are doing?

>>>> "rude, name callers and darn right stupid"

>>>> You are simply unable to prove any of that, much less all of it.

>>>>

>>>> However that very nearly describes YOU.

>>>> You regularly are rude, call names and attack others personally while

>>>> ignoring the issues.

>>>>

>>>> You also demonstrate your ability by running an insecure computer while

>>>> getting Blaster.

>>>> If you knew what you claimed, you would have easily prevented it since

>>>> the potential was well known long in advance.

>>>> Perhaps that earns you your own name "stupid"

>>>>

>>>> "using lies"

>>>> And yet it is you regularly caught making less than truthful statements

>>>> to support your blind agenda.

>>>>

>>>> Read your own posts for a change.

>>>>

>>>> You are like an extremely black pot calling the kettle black and for

>>>> the most part, you do not even know what the kettle looks like.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

>>>> http://www.dts-l.org

>>>>

>>>> "Tie Various" <noneofyourbusiness@blabla.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:47275252$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>> >We are not 'Vistaboys'

>>>>>

>>>>> Is this a joke?

>>>>>

>>>>> oh you are vistaboys.. the ones in here are vistaboys...

>>>>>

>>>>> that Richard urban MVP, Jupiter Jones and several others are vistaboys

>>>>> of the highest magnitude,

>>>>> they are also rude, name callers and darn right stupid!

>>>>>

>>>>> No not all MVPs are vistaboys...

>>>>>

>>>>> the smart ones avoid coming into this newsgroup. why? because they

>>>>> know vista is crap and they will either have to spit out the truth

>>>>> about it, OR they will have to try to defend it... using lies.. since

>>>>> there is nothing worth defending in vista.

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:54:42 -0700, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>

>>Alias wrote:

>

>>>OK, I'll bite, please fill in the list below:

>>>

>>>1. My lies:

>>

>>that you didn't change my original post

>>

>>>2. Who did I cheat and how:

>>

>>by changing my original post

>>

>>>3. What did I steal and from whom:

>>

>>MY WORDS...ARE MINE, NOT YOURS!

>

> Here's some words, you can have them. You're a crazy fool, a putz and

> all around nut case besides being a loser, liar, hot-head, dope, moron

> and psycho.

Talking about yourself are you?

How wonderful.

>

>>>Prove your "facts" or STFU.

>

> That's a hoot coming from a liar like you. Right back at you fool,

> PROVE you own and run a business.

Let me ask you one question, you little pig...why is the name of my

business any of your business?

I think you're full of crap. You can

> have those words too. Choke of them.

Go fukk yourself you stupid as*hole loser.

Frank

>

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Tie Various wrote:

> baster took the world by surprise dumbell....

You are not the world. It may have taken an idiot like you by surprise

but not the rest of the world. Face it, you're just a stupid attention

wanting know nothing moron.

>

> If MS had predicted such a threat it would have warned people....

You are really not a very competent computer user are you.

>

> no my computer was not begind a nat, and that day I had disabled the

> firewall for some reason...

Stupid is as stupid does...so it was all your fault.

>

> So? I fixed the baster problem in like 5 minutes.. big deal.....

Then why are you still whining about it.

>

> I was running mandrake linux most of the time then anyway.. I booted to XP

> just to see what everyone was blabering about....

Sure...get lost and don't come back this time.

Frank

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Tie Various wrote:

> No big deal... the good with being knowledgeable is that even if things go

> wrong you can fix them fast.

>

> You must know that experimenting is part of learning.. and with all

> experimenting you take risks,

> and sometimes you do make mistakes... even if XP was got the blaster my pc

> was triple boot then.. lol

>

> who cares if my XP OS rebooted once? I fixed it fast and it never happened

> again.

>

> Even now from time to time I disable firewalls and antivirus programs when I

> want to try something that those 2 apps may effect like for example web

> servers. So what?

>

> The blaster worm was a punch in the nose for Microsoft... it did not affect

> me at all...

hehehe...that's not what you just said. It punched you squarely in the nose!

..

> it was the poor people who didnt know what hit them that was the problem..

Idiots like you?

>

> The same problem is now with vista

No, it isn't. In fact we all now see what your problem is with

Vista...you're just a stupid incompetent computer user!

... Its not me who has a problem with it...

> I must make this clear.

> I can manage vista fine and make it work the way I want it to (although it

> is slow bloated and dumb)... but to other simple users its a nightmare.

No more lies capin' crunch. The only thing you are capable of running is

that cardboard space ship in your mom's basement. But like you, it'll

never fly.

Frank

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:59:08 -0700, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>

>>>>No, I've never been asked to write a "scam" article for any magazine.

>>>>It that what you're good at doing?

>>>>Frank

>>>

>>>You're too busy trying to scam us you own and run a business.

>>>

>>>ROTFLMAO!

>>>

>>

>>Frankly [sic] I don't give a sh*t about you mr prius.

>

> You don't? Yet you have responded to hundreds of my posts. Fancy that.

> Some would say you're stalking me Frank. Oh...I'm so scared. I bet

> you're short, fat, bald, ugly, have a heart condition, are out of

> shape, nearly broke and live in some big cardboard box under some

> underpass.

>

hehehe...so you live in a cardboard box under some underpass?

Figures.

frank

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"forty-nine" <49@linux.sux> wrote in message

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> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>> Alias wrote:

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>> So maybe you can explain the fact that there are security

>>>> vulnerability updates for Ubuntu if Linux is immune from them?

>>>

>>> Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. No OS is immune.

>>

>> Nonsense, the bullet-proof statement.

>>

>> There are fewer attempted incursions on Linux machines than Windows, that

>> I grant.

>>

>> My on view, however, is that the reason there are fewer incursions is

>> because there are fewer attempts. There are a several reasons for the

>> lack of attacks:

>>

>> 1. There are magnitudes fewer Linux machines than Windows machines. If

>> one is hunting ducks, one goes where the ducks are, and that place is

>> certainly not the desert.

>>

>> 2. There's not much to be gained by attacking a Linux machine. Most are

>> owned by adolescents who don't even have driver's licenses, much less

>> credit cards. Nor is there any pride in disabling a machine owned by a

>> tinkerer the script-kiddies want to take down Bank of America, not some

>> game server that has nine members.

>>

>> 3. Most miscreants are, themselves, running Linux and - believe it or

>> not - there is (some) honor among thieves. The Linux clan is so small

>> that taking down one Linux machine is equivalent to mass murder taking

>> down a dozen is genocide! These anti-social types do, amazingly, have

>> some loyalty to their co-religionists even though their appreciation for

>> the human race as a whole is suspect.

>>

>> 4. If some bit of malware, such as a pop-up infestation, did succeed in

>> penetrating a Linux system, it is unlikely to be reported as such. Most

>> likely, the operator would exclaim: "Wow, way cool! I love Linux!"

>>

>> No, claiming Linux is secure based on the evidence of few invasions is

>> poor proof. Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom

>> burglarized. Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom

>> stolen. Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after as

>> pets, and people never fish at the sewage treatment plant.

>>

>

> " Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom burglarized.

> Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom stolen.

> Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after as pets, and

> people never fish at the sewage treatment plant. "

One thing is certain, even that bad-tempered monkey needs spanking every

once-in-a-while :-)

>

> hehe...that was good.

> Hey, Albright...guess what !!!

> You can leave your doors unlocked, nobody will want you for a pet, and you

> can safely swim without getting a fishing hook in your butt.

> Life is good, yes ?

>

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"Frank" <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote in message

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> Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:59:08 -0700, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>>

>>>>>No, I've never been asked to write a "scam" article for any magazine.

>>>>>It that what you're good at doing?

>>>>>Frank

>>>>

>>>>You're too busy trying to scam us you own and run a business.

>>>>

>>>>ROTFLMAO!

>>>>

>>>

>>>Frankly [sic] I don't give a sh*t about you mr prius.

>>

>> You don't? Yet you have responded to hundreds of my posts. Fancy that.

>> Some would say you're stalking me Frank. Oh...I'm so scared. I bet

>> you're short, fat, bald, ugly, have a heart condition, are out of

>> shape, nearly broke and live in some big cardboard box under some

>> underpass.

>

> hehehe...so you live in a cardboard box under some underpass?

Could be a duplex :-)

> Figures.

> frank

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Jerry Atricks wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote in message

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>

>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:59:08 -0700, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>>>

>>>>>>No, I've never been asked to write a "scam" article for any magazine.

>>>>>>It that what you're good at doing?

>>>>>>Frank

>>>>>

>>>>>You're too busy trying to scam us you own and run a business.

>>>>>

>>>>>ROTFLMAO!

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Frankly [sic] I don't give a sh*t about you mr prius.

>>>

>>>You don't? Yet you have responded to hundreds of my posts. Fancy that.

>>>Some would say you're stalking me Frank. Oh...I'm so scared. I bet

>>>you're short, fat, bald, ugly, have a heart condition, are out of

>>>shape, nearly broke and live in some big cardboard box under some

>>>underpass.

>>

>>hehehe...so you live in a cardboard box under some underpass?

>

> Could be a duplex :-)

>

>>Figures.

>>frank

>

:-D

Frank

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:28:21 -0700, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>>>>Prove your "facts" or STFU.

>> That's a hoot coming from a liar like you. Right back at you fool,

>> PROVE you own and run a business.

>

>Let me ask you one question, you little pig...why is the name of my

>business any of your business?

I'm simply asking you to PROVE one thing you claim. You can't. That

suggests you're lying about your "business" like you lie about

everything else.

>

>I think you're full of crap. You can

>> have those words too. Choke of them.

>

>Go fukk yourself you stupid as*hole loser.

>Frank

Watch your blood pressure Frank or you'll pop your cork.

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:46:08 -0700, "Jerry Atricks"

<jerry@atricks.com> wrote:

>

>"forty-nine" <49@linux.sux> wrote in message

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>> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23VuIOWwGIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>> So maybe you can explain the fact that there are security

>>>>> vulnerability updates for Ubuntu if Linux is immune from them?

>>>>

>>>> Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. No OS is immune.

>>>

>>> Nonsense, the bullet-proof statement.

>>>

>>> There are fewer attempted incursions on Linux machines than Windows, that

>>> I grant.

>>>

>>> My on view, however, is that the reason there are fewer incursions is

>>> because there are fewer attempts. There are a several reasons for the

>>> lack of attacks:

>>>

>>> 1. There are magnitudes fewer Linux machines than Windows machines. If

>>> one is hunting ducks, one goes where the ducks are, and that place is

>>> certainly not the desert.

>>>

>>> 2. There's not much to be gained by attacking a Linux machine. Most are

>>> owned by adolescents who don't even have driver's licenses, much less

>>> credit cards. Nor is there any pride in disabling a machine owned by a

>>> tinkerer the script-kiddies want to take down Bank of America, not some

>>> game server that has nine members.

>>>

>>> 3. Most miscreants are, themselves, running Linux and - believe it or

>>> not - there is (some) honor among thieves. The Linux clan is so small

>>> that taking down one Linux machine is equivalent to mass murder taking

>>> down a dozen is genocide! These anti-social types do, amazingly, have

>>> some loyalty to their co-religionists even though their appreciation for

>>> the human race as a whole is suspect.

>>>

>>> 4. If some bit of malware, such as a pop-up infestation, did succeed in

>>> penetrating a Linux system, it is unlikely to be reported as such. Most

>>> likely, the operator would exclaim: "Wow, way cool! I love Linux!"

>>>

>>> No, claiming Linux is secure based on the evidence of few invasions is

>>> poor proof. Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom

>>> burglarized. Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom

>>> stolen. Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after as

>>> pets, and people never fish at the sewage treatment plant.

>>>

>>

>> " Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom burglarized.

>> Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom stolen.

>> Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after as pets, and

>> people never fish at the sewage treatment plant. "

>

>One thing is certain, even that bad-tempered monkey needs spanking every

>once-in-a-while :-)

>

>>

>> hehe...that was good.

>> Hey, Albright...guess what !!!

>> You can leave your doors unlocked, nobody will want you for a pet, and you

>> can safely swim without getting a fishing hook in your butt.

>> Life is good, yes ?

Yes, life is good. Actually you can leave your doors unlocked in

Naperville. I know, the name sounds like a rundown hillbillies little

town in West Virginia, but ain't so.

Some "facts" about Naperville, Illinois

National median income is $42K, in Naperville it is $89K and that was

the 2000 census. Violent crimes in Naperville according to FBI was

ZERO. Poverty rate 2.2%. The LOWEST in the entire country for cites

over 100,000 population. Won the best U. S. city to live in a few

years back, has some of the best schools not just in the United

States, but the entire WORLD. We have a diverse mix of ancestry

groups. If you're thinking of moving here typical single family home

..25 acre lot is $225,000. House is extra of course. Add anywhere from

another $300K to several million more. Depends on fancy you want to

get. -)

http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=6479

Should I be looking for you soon with the Welcome Wagon?

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HeyBub wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>> All you've done in this post is display your utter ignorance of

>>>> Linux. In addition, you have displayed your arrogance and bias.

>>> I take your response to mean you don't disagree with any of my

>>> observations.

>> Really?

>

> Really.

>

> Since you've shown no embarrassment about coming into our house,

YOUR house? LOL! New to Usenet?

> peeing in

> the punch bowl, and exhorting all the revelers to "Drink the Kool-Aid," I

> didn't suspect you'd have any reticence about pointing out any

> misapprehensions in my post.

>

> Just following the concept of "Assent by silence" here.

I guess you missed this part:

> All you've done in this post is display your utter ignorance of Linux.

> In addition, you have displayed your arrogance and bias.

It isn't necessary to refute you point by point. You do a good job of

that all by yourself.

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:28:21 -0700, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>

>>>>>Prove your "facts" or STFU.

>

>>>That's a hoot coming from a liar like you. Right back at you fool,

>>>PROVE you own and run a business.

>>

>>Let me ask you one question, you little pig...why is the name of my

>>business any of your business?

>

> I'm simply asking you to PROVE one thing you claim.

Why do I have to prove anything to a little pig like you huh?

You can't. That

> suggests you're lying about your "business" like you lie about

> everything else.

Tell me you little as*hole, why do I have to prove anything at all to a

POS like you? Who the fukk do you think you are?

>

>>I think you're full of crap. You can

>>

>>>have those words too. Choke of them.

>>

>>Go fukk yourself you stupid as*hole loser.

>>Frank

>

> Watch your blood pressure Frank or you'll pop your cork.

Or you need to worry about your blood pressure and your very high

cholesterol and your obesity you little pig.

Go fukk yourself you big mouth as*hole loser.

Frank

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Frank wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:59:08 -0700, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>>

>>>>> No, I've never been asked to write a "scam" article for any magazine.

>>>>> It that what you're good at doing?

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> You're too busy trying to scam us you own and run a business.

>>>>

>>>> ROTFLMAO!

>>>>

>>>

>>> Frankly [sic] I don't give a sh*t about you mr prius.

>>

>> You don't? Yet you have responded to hundreds of my posts. Fancy that.

>> Some would say you're stalking me Frank. Oh...I'm so scared. I bet

>> you're short, fat, bald, ugly, have a heart condition, are out of

>> shape, nearly broke and live in some big cardboard box under some

>> underpass.

>

> hehehe...so you live in a cardboard box under some underpass?

> Figures.

> frank

Stealing Albert's words, are you?

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:46:08 -0700, "Jerry Atricks"

> <jerry@atricks.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>"forty-nine" <49@linux.sux> wrote in message

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>>> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23VuIOWwGIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>> So maybe you can explain the fact that there are security

>>>>>> vulnerability updates for Ubuntu if Linux is immune from them?

>>>>>

>>>>> Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. No OS is immune.

>>>>

>>>> Nonsense, the bullet-proof statement.

>>>>

>>>> There are fewer attempted incursions on Linux machines than Windows,

>>>> that

>>>> I grant.

>>>>

>>>> My on view, however, is that the reason there are fewer incursions is

>>>> because there are fewer attempts. There are a several reasons for the

>>>> lack of attacks:

>>>>

>>>> 1. There are magnitudes fewer Linux machines than Windows machines. If

>>>> one is hunting ducks, one goes where the ducks are, and that place is

>>>> certainly not the desert.

>>>>

>>>> 2. There's not much to be gained by attacking a Linux machine. Most are

>>>> owned by adolescents who don't even have driver's licenses, much less

>>>> credit cards. Nor is there any pride in disabling a machine owned by a

>>>> tinkerer the script-kiddies want to take down Bank of America, not

>>>> some

>>>> game server that has nine members.

>>>>

>>>> 3. Most miscreants are, themselves, running Linux and - believe it or

>>>> not - there is (some) honor among thieves. The Linux clan is so small

>>>> that taking down one Linux machine is equivalent to mass murder taking

>>>> down a dozen is genocide! These anti-social types do, amazingly, have

>>>> some loyalty to their co-religionists even though their appreciation

>>>> for

>>>> the human race as a whole is suspect.

>>>>

>>>> 4. If some bit of malware, such as a pop-up infestation, did succeed in

>>>> penetrating a Linux system, it is unlikely to be reported as such. Most

>>>> likely, the operator would exclaim: "Wow, way cool! I love Linux!"

>>>>

>>>> No, claiming Linux is secure based on the evidence of few invasions is

>>>> poor proof. Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom

>>>> burglarized. Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom

>>>> stolen. Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after

>>>> as

>>>> pets, and people never fish at the sewage treatment plant.

>>>>

>>>

>>> " Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom burglarized.

>>> Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom stolen.

>>> Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after as pets,

>>> and

>>> people never fish at the sewage treatment plant. "

>>

>>One thing is certain, even that bad-tempered monkey needs spanking every

>>once-in-a-while :-)

>>

>>>

>>> hehe...that was good.

>>> Hey, Albright...guess what !!!

>>> You can leave your doors unlocked, nobody will want you for a pet, and

>>> you

>>> can safely swim without getting a fishing hook in your butt.

>>> Life is good, yes ?

>

> Yes, life is good. Actually you can leave your doors unlocked in

> Naperville. I know, the name sounds like a rundown hillbillies little

> town in West Virginia, but ain't so.

>

> Some "facts" about Naperville, Illinois

>

> National median income is $42K, in Naperville it is $89K and that was

> the 2000 census. Violent crimes in Naperville according to FBI was

> ZERO. Poverty rate 2.2%. The LOWEST in the entire country for cites

> over 100,000 population. Won the best U. S. city to live in a few

> years back, has some of the best schools not just in the United

> States, but the entire WORLD. We have a diverse mix of ancestry

> groups. If you're thinking of moving here typical single family home

> .25 acre lot is $225,000. House is extra of course. Add anywhere from

> another $300K to several million more. Depends on fancy you want to

> get. -)

>

> http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=6479

>

> Should I be looking for you soon with the Welcome Wagon?

>

That's it !

LOL

sounds like a neighborhood full of "little red wagons".

Type in Kiawah Island, SC .... look how real people live. : D

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October 31, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:46:08 -0700, "Jerry Atricks"

> <jerry@atricks.com> wrote:

>

>>"forty-nine" <49@linux.sux> wrote in message

>>news:uznB4M0GIHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>news:%23VuIOWwGIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>So maybe you can explain the fact that there are security

>>>>>>vulnerability updates for Ubuntu if Linux is immune from them?

>>>>>

>>>>>Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. No OS is immune.

>>>>

>>>>Nonsense, the bullet-proof statement.

>>>>

>>>>There are fewer attempted incursions on Linux machines than Windows, that

>>>>I grant.

>>>>

>>>>My on view, however, is that the reason there are fewer incursions is

>>>>because there are fewer attempts. There are a several reasons for the

>>>>lack of attacks:

>>>>

>>>>1. There are magnitudes fewer Linux machines than Windows machines. If

>>>>one is hunting ducks, one goes where the ducks are, and that place is

>>>>certainly not the desert.

>>>>

>>>>2. There's not much to be gained by attacking a Linux machine. Most are

>>>>owned by adolescents who don't even have driver's licenses, much less

>>>>credit cards. Nor is there any pride in disabling a machine owned by a

>>>>tinkerer the script-kiddies want to take down Bank of America, not some

>>>>game server that has nine members.

>>>>

>>>>3. Most miscreants are, themselves, running Linux and - believe it or

>>>>not - there is (some) honor among thieves. The Linux clan is so small

>>>>that taking down one Linux machine is equivalent to mass murder taking

>>>>down a dozen is genocide! These anti-social types do, amazingly, have

>>>>some loyalty to their co-religionists even though their appreciation for

>>>>the human race as a whole is suspect.

>>>>

>>>>4. If some bit of malware, such as a pop-up infestation, did succeed in

>>>>penetrating a Linux system, it is unlikely to be reported as such. Most

>>>>likely, the operator would exclaim: "Wow, way cool! I love Linux!"

>>>>

>>>>No, claiming Linux is secure based on the evidence of few invasions is

>>>>poor proof. Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom

>>>>burglarized. Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom

>>>>stolen. Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after as

>>>>pets, and people never fish at the sewage treatment plant.

>>>>

>>>

>>>" Tar-paper shacks with privies in the back are seldom burglarized.

>>>Junked, burned, and upside-down rusting cars are seldom stolen.

>>>Three-legged, bad-tempered monkeys are not often sought after as pets, and

>>>people never fish at the sewage treatment plant. "

>>

>>One thing is certain, even that bad-tempered monkey needs spanking every

>>once-in-a-while :-)

>>

>>>hehe...that was good.

>>>Hey, Albright...guess what !!!

>>>You can leave your doors unlocked, nobody will want you for a pet, and you

>>>can safely swim without getting a fishing hook in your butt.

>>>Life is good, yes ?