Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it&#039;s users????????

>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Home

October 22, 200717 yr

Re: A foolish statistic

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message

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> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:uEVjvgFFIHA.4544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> During the virtual install, I was never asked to set a Root password

>

> Ubuntu doesn't normally let you be root.

>

>> - I can't enable VirtualBox extensions.

>> [the real install won't] recognize the Promise RAID,

>> Fedora 7 suits me better than Ubuntu 7.1, I think - none of

>> these drawbacks. Ubuntu stays virtualized, as does olpc:

>

> Ubuntu is a bit patchy on the drivers it includes.. it will work OK on many

> machines but isn't worth the bother on others as you can install other

> versions of Linux with less hassle, probably due to them being on DVD and

> including more drivers.

Promise software RAID cards are controversial - most distros (including

Ubuntu) won't accept the pseudo RAID at install, and have to be adjusted

later, in case the fix is known to work. Fedora 7 install just takes care of it.

If I insist on keeping Ubuntu virtualized, VirtualBox's extensions should try

to patch the kernel if I demand this as root. If I want desktop effects, I need

to do a real install - as by letting Ubuntu have a nice blank hard drive.

Microsoft is working on Vista's difficulties with copying files under some

circumstances, and hopefully the way UAC works as well. More distantly,

there is Windows 7. Windows XP might run better virtualized in Linux than

it does when it's controlling the computer - some user things for me to do this

winter. That might include horsing around with olpc, which has frames instead

of windows in its fc6-based Sugar GUI, designed for very limited hardware.

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October 22, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> I had a feeling that would bring you out of the wings.. :-)

>

> Btw, you never did provide proof of your allegations.. just the usual 'I

> don't have the time to waste' crap so often seen when people are unable

> to back up what they say.. oh well..

>

I offered proof in the form of other witnesses. You just refuse to

accept it. It must not fit in with your skewed perception of reality.

It doesn't really matter anyway, your problems, not mine.

--

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creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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October 22, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

But the actual reference is much better.

Your unwillingness to point to the actual post where the actual facts

can be clearly seen is only a limitation of yours and says nothing

about anyone else.

It seems what you claim does not exist.

You probably forgot some detail or confused another poster since you

are unable to produce the source.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

DiBoy'" <none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffj9i6$h16$1@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> I had a feeling that would bring you out of the wings.. :-)

>>

>> Btw, you never did provide proof of your allegations.. just the

>> usual 'I don't have the time to waste' crap so often seen when

>> people are unable to back up what they say.. oh well..

>>

>

> I offered proof in the form of other witnesses. You just refuse to

> accept it. It must not fit in with your skewed perception of

> reality. It doesn't really matter anyway, your problems, not mine.

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of

> the creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country.

> Consumer rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

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http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

October 22, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Alias wasn't proof.. lol.. he made up the allegation in the first instance..

always ensure that your star witness is reliable before putting him/her on

the stand...

I expected better from you.. :-)

--

Mike Hall - MVP

Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

<none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffj9i6$h16$1@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> I had a feeling that would bring you out of the wings.. :-)

>>

>> Btw, you never did provide proof of your allegations.. just the usual 'I

>> don't have the time to waste' crap so often seen when people are unable

>> to back up what they say.. oh well..

>>

>

> I offered proof in the form of other witnesses. You just refuse to accept

> it. It must not fit in with your skewed perception of reality. It doesn't

> really matter anyway, your problems, not mine.

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on free

> speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

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October 22, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> But the actual reference is much better.

> Your unwillingness to point to the actual post where the actual facts

> can be clearly seen is only a limitation of yours and says nothing about

> anyone else.

Doing that would be a complete waist of my time. Mike Hall's own

actions (trying to solicit business of of the XP group(s) from

unfortunate posters with computer problems which he is supposedly doing

on a volunteer basis in the guise of an MVP) speak for themselves. They

speak much louder than anything else. He has to live with that. Not me.

>

> It seems what you claim does not exist.

Well I couldn't erase his actions if I wanted to.

> You probably forgot some detail or confused another poster since you are

> unable to produce the source.

>

JJ, it's really hard for me to take this post seriously from you when

your typical response to things you don't want to hear is the equivalent

of a 5 yr old plugging his ears and screaming "I can't hear you!" at the

top of your lungs to try and drown it out. PMSL!

--

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"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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October 22, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Alias wasn't proof.. lol.. he made up the allegation in the first

> instance.. always ensure that your star witness is reliable before

> putting him/her on the stand...

>

> I expected better from you.. :-)

>

Sorry, you beat me on this one. Nothing is better evidence than your

own actions. I simply don't have better proof than that.

--

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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

"plugging his ears and screaming"

You been unwilling to post the source.

Your analogy is flawed since it is you unwilling to prove your point.

"equivalent of a 5 yr old"

Your need to insult others when you lack the facts reflects on you and

no one else.

Your inability to prove accusations you make tells much of you and

nothing of anyone else.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

DiBoy'" <none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffjcsb$po8$1@aioe.org...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> But the actual reference is much better.

>> Your unwillingness to point to the actual post where the actual

>> facts can be clearly seen is only a limitation of yours and says

>> nothing about anyone else.

>

> Doing that would be a complete waist of my time. Mike Hall's own

> actions (trying to solicit business of of the XP group(s) from

> unfortunate posters with computer problems which he is supposedly

> doing on a volunteer basis in the guise of an MVP) speak for

> themselves. They speak much louder than anything else. He has to

> live with that. Not me.

>

>>

>> It seems what you claim does not exist.

>

> Well I couldn't erase his actions if I wanted to.

>

>> You probably forgot some detail or confused another poster since

>> you are unable to produce the source.

>>

>

> JJ, it's really hard for me to take this post seriously from you

> when your typical response to things you don't want to hear is the

> equivalent of a 5 yr old plugging his ears and screaming "I can't

> hear you!" at the top of your lungs to try and drown it out. PMSL!

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of

> the creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country.

> Consumer rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: A foolish statistic

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:02:36 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

>

>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:36:52 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:

>>>

>>>> I see that you put "never" in quotes. I get no desktop effects in

>>>> VirtualBox. I think I need to install Ubuntu unvirtualized to see its

>>>> desktop effects.

>>> Yea you do. No virtual machines have any significant 3D Acceleration

>>> support at this point in time so the only way you can get effects such

>>> as Compiz, or in Vista's case Aero, is by actually running it on the

>>> real hardware.

>>>

>> No controls are installed for the graphics, one has to add gnome-compiz

>> controls or whatever... adds a menu item under preferences...

>

> Actually there is some control if you go to the Appearance menu. Under

> the Visual Effects tab it has "None", "Normal", "Extra".

>

> If one does want finer control though then yea, you do have to install

> the compiz settings manager. They probably should have just included that

> by default.

>

> Interestingly enough, when that is installed, the option "Custom" gets

> added to Visual Styles which then launches the settings thing.

>

Yes they should have, otherwise people are going to maybe assume it's

their GFX card or something...

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: A foolish statistic

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:30:11 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

>

>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed

>>>>> 7.10, MVPs included. You need to get a move on.

>>>>>

>>>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives

>>>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about

>>>> it.

>>> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.

>>>

>>>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it

>>>> appeared to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes

>>>> up with "File Not Found" on boot.

>>> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from

>>> Grub? It should show an error number on the screen.

>>>

>>> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows

>>> what...and that is then the problem.

>>>

>> Oh good, now we are posting in both threads :)

>>

>> Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except that

>> IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...

>>

>> Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With

>> that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.

>>

>> If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to

>> install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot drive

>> from BIOS) it is file not found.

>>

>> Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out

>

> So it sounds to me that your IDE drive is your drive that the system is

> bootingfrom, am I correct? Since you said you installed to the SATA

> drive, it appears that your master boot record is on your IDE drive.

>

> And if you then remove the SATA drive and only keep the IDE drive, you

> would get error 21. So far so good, everything makes sense.

>

> It sounds to me, that once you have both the IDE and SATA drive in place

> though that the bios absolutely wants to boot from the SATA drive no

> matter what and completely ignores the master boot sector on the IDE

> drive. That's at least the impression I'm getting from this.

>

Okay, the drives are all slide mounts but the IDE of course is

physically different so no mistake which is that disk - it won't fit on

any other place although if I get the cutting torch I could possibly

make it fit :)

The BIOS has an F12 boot drive selector...

The SATA alone boots perfectly, the IDE alone shows GRUB but then fails

with error 21 (Obviously because it's just data on that drive and no OS..

With both drives in place at this moment it is booting perfectly well,

whether I manually select the SATA drive with the OS on or not.

With both drives in place if I manually select the IDE drive it says

GRUB loading okay and then ESC to enter menu but then comes up with the

file not found...

That is the same error I found before...

SO for some reason before it was picking the wrong drive and finding

GRUB on there but not finding the OS - despite displaying it in the

list. There should be no boot loader on that IDE drive, so I think what

must have happened is that "Some" installer has put GRUB there in the

past but the OS install and formatting etc all took place on the SATA.

That all seems logical :)

First install I did (With the IDE in place) refused to boot at all,

manually selected drive or not, without the IDE in place, so for

whatever reason the first install must have put GRUB there and not on

the intended target. This later (Current) install HAS put GRUB on the

SATA drive so all is well except when on odd occasions the BIOS decides

to try the IDE drive. Seriously it does sometimes change, with Windoes

systems too :)

So I guess mystery solved, you are correct an the reason for the

randomness of the first few results I think was down to what mood the

BIOS happened to be in at the time.

So I'd have to guess that this BIOS behavior would also affect Windows

with 2 drives in place. Hmmm...

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "plugging his ears and screaming"

> You been unwilling to post the source.

> Your analogy is flawed since it is you unwilling to prove your point.

Yes, but that describes you, not him.

>

> "equivalent of a 5 yr old"

> Your need to insult others when you lack the facts reflects on you and

> no one else.

Hehe, your conduct in these groups is more insulting than anything I

say, JJ.

>

> Your inability to prove accusations you make tells much of you and

> nothing of anyone else.

>

I didn't make any accusations, I made a statement of fact.

You clearly have no self control, and that really seems to bring you

down in others' eyes. You endlessly feed ridiculous threads. That's

one of the many actions on your part that make you one of the few MVPs

who is viewed in a negative light.

--

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"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

"I made a statement of fact."

One that you have demonstrated an inability to prove.

Therefore it is NOT a fact, at least not as far as you can prove.

"You clearly have no self control"

And yet it is you who has so little control that you med to make

improvable accusations.

You seem to need to slander others in a vain effort to make a point.

Of course if you post the proof of what you say?

You should read your own posts for a change.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

DiBoy'" <none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffjq4q$ote$1@aioe.org...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> "plugging his ears and screaming"

>> You been unwilling to post the source.

>> Your analogy is flawed since it is you unwilling to prove your

>> point.

>

> Yes, but that describes you, not him.

>

>>

>> "equivalent of a 5 yr old"

>> Your need to insult others when you lack the facts reflects on you

>> and no one else.

>

> Hehe, your conduct in these groups is more insulting than anything I

> say, JJ.

>

>>

>> Your inability to prove accusations you make tells much of you and

>> nothing of anyone else.

>>

>

> I didn't make any accusations, I made a statement of fact.

>

> You clearly have no self control, and that really seems to bring you

> down in others' eyes. You endlessly feed ridiculous threads.

> That's one of the many actions on your part that make you one of the

> few MVPs who is viewed in a negative light.

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of

> the creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country.

> Consumer rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "I made a statement of fact."

> One that you have demonstrated an inability to prove.

> Therefore it is NOT a fact, at least not as far as you can prove.

>

> "You clearly have no self control"

You are proving it again right here. You have no self control.

> And yet it is you who has so little control that you med to make

> improvable accusations.

> You seem to need to slander others in a vain effort to make a point.

> Of course if you post the proof of what you say?

>

> You should read your own posts for a change.

>

--

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"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

All that has been proven is you are unable to prove statements you

make and some of us notice.

Bye

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

DiBoy'" <none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffl3b5$blv$1@aioe.org...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> "I made a statement of fact."

>> One that you have demonstrated an inability to prove.

>> Therefore it is NOT a fact, at least not as far as you can prove.

>>

>> "You clearly have no self control"

>

> You are proving it again right here. You have no self control.

>

>> And yet it is you who has so little control that you med to make

>> improvable accusations.

>> You seem to need to slander others in a vain effort to make a

>> point.

>> Of course if you post the proof of what you say?

>>

>> You should read your own posts for a change.

>>

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of

> the creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country.

> Consumer rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> All that has been proven is you are unable to prove statements you make

> and some of us notice.

>

> Bye

>

You were on the XP General group back then, fighting with Kurttrail.

Mike invited many people to email him privately for help. I guess he

doesn't do it for Vista because he doesn't know how to help anyone who

has Vista problems. HAHAHAHAHA!

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

"Mike invited many people to email..."

For compensation/pay?

I discourage private discussions such at that since it increases the

chances of getting less than optimal information.

One of the advantages of newsgroups is information can be built on and

corrected which of course may not happen in private.

But then their are some who I would trust privately while others I

would not.

I do not recall his post.

That does not mean I am claiming it does not exist.

But I doubt it exists and if Poster could simply give the

link/reference, that would be it.

The source would remove any doubt/confusion since there would be less

room for interpretation with the facts in the open.

Right now, the facts are very cloudy since there is no source.

Perhaps he has simply forgotten, but that also has never been stated.

Otherwise the claim is hearsay at best.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

news:ffl4pc$g4a$2@aioe.org...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> All that has been proven is you are unable to prove statements you

>> make and some of us notice.

>>

>> Bye

>>

>

> You were on the XP General group back then, fighting with Kurttrail.

> Mike invited many people to email him privately for help. I guess he

> doesn't do it for Vista because he doesn't know how to help anyone

> who has Vista problems. HAHAHAHAHA!

>

> --

> Alias

>

> To email me, remove shoes

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "Mike invited many people to email..."

> For compensation/pay?

>

> I discourage private discussions such at that since it increases the

> chances of getting less than optimal information.

> One of the advantages of newsgroups is information can be built on and

> corrected which of course may not happen in private.

> But then their are some who I would trust privately while others I would

> not.

>

> I do not recall his post.

> That does not mean I am claiming it does not exist.

> But I doubt it exists and if Poster could simply give the

> link/reference, that would be it.

> The source would remove any doubt/confusion since there would be less

> room for interpretation with the facts in the open.

> Right now, the facts are very cloudy since there is no source.

>

> Perhaps he has simply forgotten, but that also has never been stated.

> Otherwise the claim is hearsay at best.

>

I just tried to search XP General on Google and because Mike posts so

much, it's not a job I have time for. Maybe you would have better luck.

That said, I don't really care if it does it or not. The poor guy's

gotta make a living, doesn't he?

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Alias wrote:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> All that has been proven is you are unable to prove statements you

>> make and some of us notice.

>>

>> Bye

>>

>

> You were on the XP General group back then, fighting with Kurttrail.

> Mike invited many people to email him privately for help. I guess he

> doesn't do it for Vista because he doesn't know how to help anyone who

> has Vista problems. HAHAHAHAHA!

>

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAH! Funny! Hi Alias! :)

--

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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> "Mike invited many people to email..."

> For compensation/pay?

>

> I discourage private discussions such at that since it increases the

> chances of getting less than optimal information.

> One of the advantages of newsgroups is information can be built on and

> corrected which of course may not happen in private.

> But then their are some who I would trust privately while others I would

> not.

>

> I do not recall his post.

> That does not mean I am claiming it does not exist.

Yes you are:

"But the actual reference is much better.

Your unwillingness to point to the actual post where the actual facts

can be clearly seen is only a limitation of yours and says nothing about

anyone else.

It seems what you claim does not exist.

You probably forgot some detail or confused another poster since you are

unable to produce the source.

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www.dts-l.org"

The above was a post you made yesterday. "It seems what you claim does

not exist..."

If you are going to lie JJ, try to at least keep your story straight.

You are also continuing to show you have no self control because you are

still replying to this thread about a topic that was not addressed to

you and never had anything to do with you. At least it seems that Mike

had enough common sense and self control to walk away.

> But I doubt it exists and if Poster could simply give the

> link/reference, that would be it.

> The source would remove any doubt/confusion since there would be less

> room for interpretation with the facts in the open.

> Right now, the facts are very cloudy since there is no source.

>

> Perhaps he has simply forgotten, but that also has never been stated.

> Otherwise the claim is hearsay at best.

>

It's not hearsay when you have multiple witnesses!

--

Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>> All that has been proven is you are unable to prove statements you

>>> make and some of us notice.

>>>

>>> Bye

>>>

>>

>> You were on the XP General group back then, fighting with Kurttrail.

>> Mike invited many people to email him privately for help. I guess he

>> doesn't do it for Vista because he doesn't know how to help anyone who

>> has Vista problems. HAHAHAHAHA!

>>

>

> BWAAAAHAHAHAHAH! Funny! Hi Alias! :)

>

Hi Nina.

:)

--

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

"It seems what you claim does not exist."

Again, you missed a word.

"seems"

You can misunderstand what I said whether it be deliberate or

accidental.

I did not mean to say it does not exist.

I have seen no proof it does.

However you are unable to give the source and what you say leaves

doubts of intent what exactly what he may have said.

Can you locate the source or not?

Is it simply one of to many post for you to find?

Or is it convenient for you to claim was said what at least one other

claims does not exist?

You claim it exists, the burden of proof is on you.

Without the source it is hearsay and NOT a verifiable fact.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina

DiBoy'" <none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffl7vs$qe1$1@aioe.org...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> "Mike invited many people to email..."

>> For compensation/pay?

>>

>> I discourage private discussions such at that since it increases

>> the chances of getting less than optimal information.

>> One of the advantages of newsgroups is information can be built on

>> and corrected which of course may not happen in private.

>> But then their are some who I would trust privately while others I

>> would not.

>>

>> I do not recall his post.

>> That does not mean I am claiming it does not exist.

>

> Yes you are:

>

> "But the actual reference is much better.

> Your unwillingness to point to the actual post where the actual

> facts can be clearly seen is only a limitation of yours and says

> nothing about anyone else.

>

> It seems what you claim does not exist.

> You probably forgot some detail or confused another poster since you

> are unable to produce the source.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www.dts-l.org"

>

> The above was a post you made yesterday. "It seems what you claim

> does not exist..."

>

> If you are going to lie JJ, try to at least keep your story

> straight. You are also continuing to show you have no self control

> because you are still replying to this thread about a topic that was

> not addressed to you and never had anything to do with you. At

> least it seems that Mike had enough common sense and self control to

> walk away.

>

>> But I doubt it exists and if Poster could simply give the

>> link/reference, that would be it.

>> The source would remove any doubt/confusion since there would be

>> less room for interpretation with the facts in the open.

>> Right now, the facts are very cloudy since there is no source.

>>

>> Perhaps he has simply forgotten, but that also has never been

>> stated.

>> Otherwise the claim is hearsay at best.

>>

>

> It's not hearsay when you have multiple witnesses!

>

> --

> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

>

> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of

> the creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country.

> Consumer rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

The discussion at the time was about munging e-mail addresses, and I stated

that I do not hide mine and that people are free to e-mail if they prefer,

but that e-mailing was not in the best interests of the newsgroup.

Soliciting for business that is NOT, and the only person who insinuated

anything was you. Nobody else agreed with you, others just making the point

that I was inviting spam. You had no case then and little has changed, most

especially your panache for insulting others. You have not been forgotten in

the XP newsgroups, btw. :-)

--

Mike Hall - MVP

Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

news:ffl4pc$g4a$2@aioe.org...

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>> All that has been proven is you are unable to prove statements you make

>> and some of us notice.

>>

>> Bye

>>

>

> You were on the XP General group back then, fighting with Kurttrail. Mike

> invited many people to email him privately for help. I guess he doesn't do

> it for Vista because he doesn't know how to help anyone who has Vista

> problems. HAHAHAHAHA!

>

> --

> Alias

>

> To email me, remove shoes

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> The discussion at the time was about munging e-mail addresses, and I

> stated that I do not hide mine and that people are free to e-mail if

> they prefer, but that e-mailing was not in the best interests of the

> newsgroup. Soliciting for business that is NOT, and the only person who

> insinuated anything was you. Nobody else agreed with you, others just

> making the point that I was inviting spam. You had no case then and

> little has changed, most especially your panache for insulting others.

> You have not been forgotten in the XP newsgroups, btw. :-)

>

I don't care if you solicit business or not, Mike. After all, you do

have to make a living and if someone is willing to pay you for your

advice, go for it.

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

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http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

There was a short discussion about munging e-mails and using an alias. My

stand was not to hide, either behind a false name or munged e-mail address,

that people were free to use my e-mail address if they preferred, but that

it was not in the interests of the newsgroup. Alias, in his inimitable

style, chose to twist what I had said, but only the MS/MVP haters stood with

him. He does it to others too..

--

Mike Hall - MVP

Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

news:eIFXM5YFIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> "Mike invited many people to email..."

> For compensation/pay?

>

> I discourage private discussions such at that since it increases the

> chances of getting less than optimal information.

> One of the advantages of newsgroups is information can be built on and

> corrected which of course may not happen in private.

> But then their are some who I would trust privately while others I would

> not.

>

> I do not recall his post.

> That does not mean I am claiming it does not exist.

> But I doubt it exists and if Poster could simply give the link/reference,

> that would be it.

> The source would remove any doubt/confusion since there would be less room

> for interpretation with the facts in the open.

> Right now, the facts are very cloudy since there is no source.

>

> Perhaps he has simply forgotten, but that also has never been stated.

> Otherwise the claim is hearsay at best.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

> news:ffl4pc$g4a$2@aioe.org...

>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

>>> All that has been proven is you are unable to prove statements you make

>>> and some of us notice.

>>>

>>> Bye

>>>

>>

>> You were on the XP General group back then, fighting with Kurttrail. Mike

>> invited many people to email him privately for help. I guess he doesn't

>> do it for Vista because he doesn't know how to help anyone who has Vista

>> problems. HAHAHAHAHA!

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>>

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

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October 23, 200717 yr

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

That sounds a lot different than what he claims.

I suppose I can stretch to get to his assumption, but it is a stretch.

That may explain his refusal to post the source assuming he has it.

My guess is he remembers the way he understood but can not locate the

source, which is somewhat understandable.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

news:OeZPf5ZFIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> There was a short discussion about munging e-mails and using an

> alias. My stand was not to hide, either behind a false name or

> munged e-mail address, that people were free to use my e-mail

> address if they preferred, but that it was not in the interests of

> the newsgroup. Alias, in his inimitable style, chose to twist what I

> had said, but only the MS/MVP haters stood with him. He does it to

> others too..

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

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