If Ubuntu, or any other Linux distribution, wants to be a Windows Desktop

Replacement, it had better be able to run Window programs - much like OS/2

was able to do. If not it will never be a replacement for Windows, as the

chance of every single manufacturer porting their programs over to Linux is

slim to non existent.

 

--

 

Regards,

 

Richard Urban

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

 

 

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:uSXBdKcEIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> trying to install Ubuntu 7.10 in a VMWare virtual machine. And I am still

> only at 59%.

>

> Heck, Vista installed in 32 minutes under VMWare.

>

> --

>

> Regards,

>

> Richard Urban

> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>

>

>

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:42 -0400, "Richard Urban"

<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>If Ubuntu, or any other Linux distribution, wants to be a Windows Desktop

>Replacement, it had better be able to run Window programs - much like OS/2

>was able to do. If not it will never be a replacement for Windows, as the

>chance of every single manufacturer porting their programs over to Linux is

>slim to non existent.

 

Only dopes think the purpose of Linux is to replace Windows.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:42 -0400, "Richard Urban"

> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>> If Ubuntu, or any other Linux distribution, wants to be a Windows Desktop

>> Replacement, it had better be able to run Window programs - much like OS/2

>> was able to do. If not it will never be a replacement for Windows, as the

>> chance of every single manufacturer porting their programs over to Linux is

>> slim to non existent.

>

> Only dopes think the purpose of Linux is to replace Windows.

>

 

<Mosses? Mosses? MOOOOSSES? What of Albright? What of Albright? You tell

that to the fanatics oops the lunatics of Linux flock and see if your

statement meets with their approval.>

Alias wrote:

> On Oct 20, 9:12 pm, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>>>On Oct 20, 7:57 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

>>>wrote:

>>

>>>>"Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>

>>>>news:1192900657.070344.180430@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

>>

>>>>>On Oct 20, 5:50 pm, "Richard Urban"

>>>>><richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>>>>You are so right.

>>

>>>>>>I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>>>>>(Linux)

>>>>>>could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate - similar to what

>>>>>>Microsoft does.

>>

>>>>>>Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive program for

>>>>>>Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of that 3%,

>>>>>>maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>

>>>>>>Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure wouldn't

>>>>>>pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just fine in

>>>>>>Windows - thank you).

>>

>>>>>>The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>

>>>>>>--

>>

>>>>>>Regards,

>>

>>>>>>Richard Urban

>>>>>>Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>>>>>(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>

>>>>>Most people don't need Auto Cad.

>>

>>>>That is a very poor argument.

>>>>Most people don't need Linux, especially those posting in this group.

>>

>>>LOL! People hate Vista and know that XP is on its last legs.

>>

>>You must either be on drugs, extremely stupid, and/or one very confused

>>and naive person.

>>

>>Ubuntu is

>>

>>

>>>an excellent alternative to the DRM riddled, WPA and WGA crippled POS

>>>called Vista.

>>

>>Ubuntu is a toy POS os for children under the age of 3...or persons

>>mentally the same age.

>>Frank

>

>

> Keep telling yourself that, Frank.

>

> Alias

>

 

 

I'm not the one married to ubuntu...you are, therefore you're the one

who needs to keep telling yourself that fact.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> On Oct 20, 9:13 pm, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>>>On Oct 20, 8:12 pm, "Richard Urban"

>>><richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>>Enough that the product is marketed for Windows - not Linux.

>>

>>>>--

>>

>>>>Regards,

>>

>>>>Richard Urban

>>>>Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>>>(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>

>>>The product is marketed to a very small part of Windows users that

>>>have to use it for work. Repeat, very small.

>>

>>>Alias

>>

>>More people use it than use linux.

>>Frank

>

>

> Sure, Frank.

>

> Alias

>

>>>>"Charlie Tame" <char...@tames.net> wrote in message

>>

>>>>news:u7cVy6zEIHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>>>Richard Urban wrote:

>>

>>>>>>You are so right.

>>

>>>>>>I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>>>>>(Linux) could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate - similar

>>>>>>to what Microsoft does.

>>

>>>>>>Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive program for

>>>>>>Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of that 3%,

>>>>>>maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>

>>>>>>Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure wouldn't

>>>>>>pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just fine in

>>>>>>Windows - thank you).

>>

>>>>>>The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>

>>>>>Why do you assume that AutoCAD is essential for everybody?

>>

>>>>>What percentage of Windows users use it?

>

>

>

Glad you agree and thanks!

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> On Oct 20, 9:12 pm, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Oct 20, 7:57 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

>>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>

>>>>> news:1192900657.070344.180430@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

>>>

>>>>>> On Oct 20, 5:50 pm, "Richard Urban"

>>>>>> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>>>> You are so right.

>>>

>>>>>>> I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>>>>>> (Linux)

>>>>>>> could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate - similar

>>>>>>> to what

>>>>>>> Microsoft does.

>>>

>>>>>>> Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive

>>>>>>> program for

>>>>>>> Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of

>>>>>>> that 3%,

>>>>>>> maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>>

>>>>>>> Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure

>>>>>>> wouldn't

>>>>>>> pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just

>>>>>>> fine in

>>>>>>> Windows - thank you).

>>>

>>>>>>> The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>

>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>

>>>>>>> Richard Urban

>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>>>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>>

>>>>>> Most people don't need Auto Cad.

>>>

>>>>> That is a very poor argument.

>>>>> Most people don't need Linux, especially those posting in this group.

>>>

>>>> LOL! People hate Vista and know that XP is on its last legs.

>>>

>>> You must either be on drugs, extremely stupid, and/or one very confused

>>> and naive person.

>>>

>>> Ubuntu is

>>>

>>>

>>>> an excellent alternative to the DRM riddled, WPA and WGA crippled POS

>>>> called Vista.

>>>

>>> Ubuntu is a toy POS os for children under the age of 3...or persons

>>> mentally the same age.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Keep telling yourself that, Frank.

>>

>> Alias

>>

>

>

> I'm not the one married to ubuntu...

 

Yeah, you're incapable of installing it. Vista was preinstalled for you,

right boobie?

 

you are, therefore you're the one

> who needs to keep telling yourself that fact.

> Frank

 

You're confused as usual, Frank. Vista is the toy, only good for some

games and games in the future. The same is true for XP, which is the

only reason I still have XP.

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> On Oct 20, 9:13 pm, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Oct 20, 8:12 pm, "Richard Urban"

>>>> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>>> Enough that the product is marketed for Windows - not Linux.

>>>

>>>>> --

>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>

>>>>> Richard Urban

>>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>>

>>>> The product is marketed to a very small part of Windows users that

>>>> have to use it for work. Repeat, very small.

>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> More people use it than use linux.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Sure, Frank.

>>

>> Alias

>>

>>>>> "Charlie Tame" <char...@tames.net> wrote in message

>>>

>>>>> news:u7cVy6zEIHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>>

>>>>>>> You are so right.

>>>

>>>>>>> I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>>>>>> (Linux) could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate -

>>>>>>> similar

>>>>>>> to what Microsoft does.

>>>

>>>>>>> Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive

>>>>>>> program for

>>>>>>> Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of

>>>>>>> that 3%,

>>>>>>> maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>>

>>>>>>> Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure

>>>>>>> wouldn't

>>>>>>> pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just

>>>>>>> fine in

>>>>>>> Windows - thank you).

>>>

>>>>>>> The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>>

>>>>>> Why do you assume that AutoCAD is essential for everybody?

>>>

>>>>>> What percentage of Windows users use it?

>>

>>

>>

> Glad you agree and thanks!

> Frank

 

My, my, Frank's reading comprehension impairment is raising its ugly

head again. Ever hear of sarcasm, Frankie Boy, or were you too busy

insulting someone when that was taught in your school?

 

Alias

Richard Urban wrote:

> If Ubuntu, or any other Linux distribution, wants to be a Windows

> Desktop Replacement, it had better be able to run Window programs - much

> like OS/2 was able to do. If not it will never be a replacement for

> Windows, as the chance of every single manufacturer porting their

> programs over to Linux is slim to non existent.

>

 

 

I see Linux as a replacement to Windows as in

getting away from Microsoft.

Not as in Just like Windows but different.

caver1

In article <OkWP5W#EIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, caver@inthemud.com

says...

> Richard Urban wrote:

> > If Ubuntu, or any other Linux distribution, wants to be a Windows

> > Desktop Replacement, it had better be able to run Window programs - much

> > like OS/2 was able to do. If not it will never be a replacement for

> > Windows, as the chance of every single manufacturer porting their

> > programs over to Linux is slim to non existent.

> >

>

>

> I see Linux as a replacement to Windows as in

> getting away from Microsoft.

> Not as in Just like Windows but different.

 

It's not close to a replacement unless you're a home user that doesn't

need the latest (even older) hardware support and doesn't want to play

the latest games and doesn't want to work with people that use MS Office

for more than BASIC documents.

 

If you don't need those things, then it's not a REPLACEMENT, it's a

different solution path and a different model.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Leythos wrote:

> In article <OkWP5W#EIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, caver@inthemud.com

> says...

>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>> If Ubuntu, or any other Linux distribution, wants to be a Windows

>>> Desktop Replacement, it had better be able to run Window programs - much

>>> like OS/2 was able to do. If not it will never be a replacement for

>>> Windows, as the chance of every single manufacturer porting their

>>> programs over to Linux is slim to non existent.

>>>

>>

>> I see Linux as a replacement to Windows as in

>> getting away from Microsoft.

>> Not as in Just like Windows but different.

>

> It's not close to a replacement unless you're a home user that doesn't

> need the latest (even older) hardware support and doesn't want to play

> the latest games and doesn't want to work with people that use MS Office

> for more than BASIC documents.

>

> If you don't need those things, then it's not a REPLACEMENT, it's a

> different solution path and a different model.

>

 

 

That's funny when Linux's biggest growth in

switching from windows to Linux

is in the pro group and not home users.

caver1

dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:uSu8c%230EIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>> Enough that the product is marketed for Windows - not Linux.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I have never had any need to use AutoCad in my entire life, neither have

>> millions upon millions windows users. Those who do have probably done so

>> for years and likely their "Company" bought it together with the latest

>> fastest hardware / monitors etc.

>

> billions of people have never needed linux.

> (I wonder what that means?)

 

It means that you are a Wintard. Whenever you "google" something, you needed

linux.

 

Cheers.

 

 

--

Remove Vista Activation Completely ...

http://tinyurl.com/2w8qqo

 

Do you use Linux? Everytime you "google", you're using Linux.

Alias wrote:

> On Oct 20, 5:50 pm, "Richard Urban"

> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> You are so right.

>>

>> I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>> (Linux) could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate - similar

>> to what Microsoft does.

>>

>> Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive program for

>> Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of that 3%,

>> maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>

>> Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure wouldn't

>> pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just fine in

>> Windows - thank you).

>>

>> The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Richard Urban

>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>

> Most people don't need Auto Cad.

 

And Linux users who need CAD, can look here for some Linux options ...

 

http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html

 

Those who want to use what the US military uses for CAD, can get BRL-CAD.

Screenshots here ...

 

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=105292

 

Cheers.

 

--

Remove Vista Activation Completely ...

http://tinyurl.com/2w8qqo

 

Do you use Linux? Everytime you "google", you're using Linux.

NoStop wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> On Oct 20, 5:50 pm, "Richard Urban"

>> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> You are so right.

>>>

>>> I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>> (Linux) could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate - similar

>>> to what Microsoft does.

>>>

>>> Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive program for

>>> Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of that 3%,

>>> maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>>

>>> Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure wouldn't

>>> pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just fine in

>>> Windows - thank you).

>>>

>>> The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>>

>>> Richard Urban

>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>> Most people don't need Auto Cad.

>

> And Linux users who need CAD, can look here for some Linux options ...

>

> http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html

>

> Those who want to use what the US military uses for CAD, can get BRL-CAD.

> Screenshots here ...

>

> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=105292

>

> Cheers.

>

 

The Auto Cad boys will avoid this post like the plague.

 

--

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In article <9_JSi.103121$1y4.37336@pd7urf2no>, nospam@nospam.com says...

> dennis@home wrote:

>

> >

> > "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> > news:uSu8c%230EIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> >> Richard Urban wrote:

> >>> Enough that the product is marketed for Windows - not Linux.

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >> I have never had any need to use AutoCad in my entire life, neither have

> >> millions upon millions windows users. Those who do have probably done so

> >> for years and likely their "Company" bought it together with the latest

> >> fastest hardware / monitors etc.

> >

> > billions of people have never needed linux.

> > (I wonder what that means?)

>

> It means that you are a Wintard. Whenever you "google" something, you needed

> linux.

 

Just had to parents ask me how their kids could get AutoCAD because they

are using it at school High School and would like to be able to run it

at home.

 

While there are O/S alternatives, they don't teach those in schools,

they teach AutoCAD as a standard.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:9_JSi.103121$1y4.37336@pd7urf2no...

> dennis@home wrote:

>

>>

>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> news:uSu8c%230EIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>>> Enough that the product is marketed for Windows - not Linux.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I have never had any need to use AutoCad in my entire life, neither have

>>> millions upon millions windows users. Those who do have probably done so

>>> for years and likely their "Company" bought it together with the latest

>>> fastest hardware / monitors etc.

>>

>> billions of people have never needed linux.

>> (I wonder what that means?)

>

> It means that you are a Wintard. Whenever you "google" something, you

> needed

> linux.

 

So don't use google.

They love to track you anyway.

 

You have a lot to learn about selling linux.. if you insist on calling linux

user and potential linux user by insulting names you will just make them

glad that they have an alternative to linux where they don't have to mix

with cretins like you.

 

Do Linux a favor and buy a mac, preferably a big mac as it will keep you off

the internet.

Alias wrote:

> NoStop wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> On Oct 20, 5:50 pm, "Richard Urban"

>>> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>> You are so right.

>>>>

>>>> I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>>> (Linux) could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate -

>>>> similar

>>>> to what Microsoft does.

>>>>

>>>> Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive

>>>> program for

>>>> Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of

>>>> that 3%,

>>>> maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>>>

>>>> Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure

>>>> wouldn't

>>>> pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just

>>>> fine in

>>>> Windows - thank you).

>>>>

>>>> The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>> Richard Urban

>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>> Most people don't need Auto Cad.

>>

>> And Linux users who need CAD, can look here for some Linux options ...

>>

>> http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html

>>

>> Those who want to use what the US military uses for CAD, can get BRL-CAD.

>> Screenshots here ...

>>

>> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=105292

>>

>> Cheers.

>>

>

> The Auto Cad boys will avoid this post like the plague.

>

 

 

That's because they are not compatible with AutoCad.

Autocad isn't even compatible with itself if you

go back more than one

version. AutoCad is worse than MS.

caver1

"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message

news:fffri4$qvl$1@aioe.org...

> NoStop wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> On Oct 20, 5:50 pm, "Richard Urban"

>>> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>> You are so right.

>>>>

>>>> I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>>> (Linux) could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate -

>>>> similar

>>>> to what Microsoft does.

>>>>

>>>> Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive program

>>>> for

>>>> Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of that

>>>> 3%,

>>>> maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>>>

>>>> Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure

>>>> wouldn't

>>>> pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just fine

>>>> in

>>>> Windows - thank you).

>>>>

>>>> The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>> Richard Urban

>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>> Most people don't need Auto Cad.

>>

>> And Linux users who need CAD, can look here for some Linux options ...

>>

>> http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html

>>

>> Those who want to use what the US military uses for CAD, can get BRL-CAD.

>> Screenshots here ...

>>

>> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=105292

>>

>> Cheers.

>>

>

> The Auto Cad boys will avoid this post like the plague.

>

 

Probably.. it takes a lot of effort to learn a CAD system so they are

unlikely to want to change what they have.

However it might be a nice toy to have a play with for those of us that

don't actually need CAD.

Leythos wrote:

> In article <9_JSi.103121$1y4.37336@pd7urf2no>, nospam@nospam.com says...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>> news:uSu8c%230EIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>>>> Enough that the product is marketed for Windows - not Linux.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I have never had any need to use AutoCad in my entire life, neither have

>>>> millions upon millions windows users. Those who do have probably done so

>>>> for years and likely their "Company" bought it together with the latest

>>>> fastest hardware / monitors etc.

>>> billions of people have never needed linux.

>>> (I wonder what that means?)

>> It means that you are a Wintard. Whenever you "google" something, you needed

>> linux.

>

> Just had to parents ask me how their kids could get AutoCAD because they

> are using it at school High School and would like to be able to run it

> at home.

>

> While there are O/S alternatives, they don't teach those in schools,

> they teach AutoCAD as a standard.

>

 

 

Yes it is the standard. Expensive, and not even

compatible with itself if you go back

more than one version.

AutoCad is a bad example as it is worse than MS is

shutting everyone else out.

 

caver1

caver1 wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> NoStop wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Oct 20, 5:50 pm, "Richard Urban"

>>>> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> You are so right.

>>>>>

>>>>> I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>>>> (Linux) could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate -

>>>>> similar

>>>>> to what Microsoft does.

>>>>>

>>>>> Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive

>>>>> program for

>>>>> Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of

>>>>> that 3%,

>>>>> maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>>>>

>>>>> Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure

>>>>> wouldn't

>>>>> pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just

>>>>> fine in

>>>>> Windows - thank you).

>>>>>

>>>>> The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>>

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>> Richard Urban

>>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>>> Most people don't need Auto Cad.

>>>

>>> And Linux users who need CAD, can look here for some Linux options ...

>>>

>>> http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html

>>>

>>> Those who want to use what the US military uses for CAD, can get

>>> BRL-CAD.

>>> Screenshots here ...

>>>

>>> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=105292

>>>

>>> Cheers.

>>>

>>

>> The Auto Cad boys will avoid this post like the plague.

>>

>

>

> That's because they are not compatible with AutoCad.

> Autocad isn't even compatible with itself if you go back more than one

> version. AutoCad is worse than MS.

> caver1

 

That bad, eh?

 

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In article <#bQ7m9$EIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, caver@inthemud.com

says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <9_JSi.103121$1y4.37336@pd7urf2no>, nospam@nospam.com says...

> >> dennis@home wrote:

> >>

> >>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> >>> news:uSu8c%230EIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> >>>> Richard Urban wrote:

> >>>>> Enough that the product is marketed for Windows - not Linux.

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> I have never had any need to use AutoCad in my entire life, neither have

> >>>> millions upon millions windows users. Those who do have probably done so

> >>>> for years and likely their "Company" bought it together with the latest

> >>>> fastest hardware / monitors etc.

> >>> billions of people have never needed linux.

> >>> (I wonder what that means?)

> >> It means that you are a Wintard. Whenever you "google" something, you needed

> >> linux.

> >

> > Just had to parents ask me how their kids could get AutoCAD because they

> > are using it at school High School and would like to be able to run it

> > at home.

> >

> > While there are O/S alternatives, they don't teach those in schools,

> > they teach AutoCAD as a standard.

> >

>

>

> Yes it is the standard. Expensive, and not even

> compatible with itself if you go back

> more than one version.

> AutoCad is a bad example as it is worse than MS is

> shutting everyone else out.

 

You don't appear to have used AutoACD before, or you would just spout

things you don't know about. Fact is that AutoCAD can open older

documents, but like many updated program, it may have trouble importing

documents from 5 rev's ago - 1 rev is never a problem.

 

AutoCAD is a good example of what's wrong with Linux - the idiots that

push linux, instead of being realistic, claim that everything can be

replaced with Linux and the Open Source apps. If you zealots were just

half-way honest you would admit that many of the OSA are just as bad or

worse than their MS counterparts - and almost always lacking in features

that most Win people have gotten use to.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:21:50 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

 

>So don't use google.

>They love to track you anyway.

 

More "wisdom" from Dennis, the world class wannabe computer expert.

 

News Flash, nearly all major web sites use cookies or other means to

"track" visitor's surfing habits. Funny you would bring that up and

not comment on Microsoft spying behind customer's backs with Vista

phoning home to be sure you were using a legit copy of Windows.

Originally Microsoft claimed they didn't spy on their customers, then

they were outed after one of the trade magazines showed how Vista was

phoning home DAILY, then Microsoft said oops, caught us, and cut it

back to less often.

>Do Linux a favor and buy a mac, preferably a big mac as it will keep you off

>the internet.

 

I'll buy you a steak dinner if you go away. Deal?

 

I must admit I would miss slapping a dummy like you around. It's too

damn easy.

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:39:12 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <#bQ7m9$EIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, caver@inthemud.com

>says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>> > In article <9_JSi.103121$1y4.37336@pd7urf2no>, nospam@nospam.com says...

>> >> dennis@home wrote:

>> >>

>> >>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>> >>> news:uSu8c%230EIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> >>>> Richard Urban wrote:

>> >>>>> Enough that the product is marketed for Windows - not Linux.

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> I have never had any need to use AutoCad in my entire life, neither have

>> >>>> millions upon millions windows users. Those who do have probably done so

>> >>>> for years and likely their "Company" bought it together with the latest

>> >>>> fastest hardware / monitors etc.

>> >>> billions of people have never needed linux.

>> >>> (I wonder what that means?)

>> >> It means that you are a Wintard. Whenever you "google" something, you needed

>> >> linux.

>> >

>> > Just had to parents ask me how their kids could get AutoCAD because they

>> > are using it at school High School and would like to be able to run it

>> > at home.

>> >

>> > While there are O/S alternatives, they don't teach those in schools,

>> > they teach AutoCAD as a standard.

>> >

>>

>>

>> Yes it is the standard. Expensive, and not even

>> compatible with itself if you go back

>> more than one version.

>> AutoCad is a bad example as it is worse than MS is

>> shutting everyone else out.

>

>You don't appear to have used AutoACD before, or you would just spout

>things you don't know about.

 

Well why the hell not, you do it all the time.

NoStop wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> On Oct 20, 5:50 pm, "Richard Urban"

>> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> You are so right.

>>>

>>> I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>> (Linux) could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate - similar

>>> to what Microsoft does.

>>>

>>> Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive program for

>>> Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of that 3%,

>>> maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>>

>>> Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure wouldn't

>>> pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works just fine in

>>> Windows - thank you).

>>>

>>> The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>>

>>> Richard Urban

>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>> Most people don't need Auto Cad.

>

> And Linux users who need CAD, can look here for some Linux options ...

>

> http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html

>

> Those who want to use what the US military uses for CAD, can get BRL-CAD.

> Screenshots here ...

>

> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=105292

>

> Cheers.

>

 

 

Thanks, I will take a look at the latter since it will be a point and

click install, better find out why every user (and his dog) needs some

kind of CAD program eh?

Leythos wrote:

> In article <9_JSi.103121$1y4.37336@pd7urf2no>, nospam@nospam.com says...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

>>> news:uSu8c%230EIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>>>> Enough that the product is marketed for Windows - not Linux.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I have never had any need to use AutoCad in my entire life, neither have

>>>> millions upon millions windows users. Those who do have probably done so

>>>> for years and likely their "Company" bought it together with the latest

>>>> fastest hardware / monitors etc.

>>> billions of people have never needed linux.

>>> (I wonder what that means?)

>> It means that you are a Wintard. Whenever you "google" something, you needed

>> linux.

>

> Just had to parents ask me how their kids could get AutoCAD because they

> are using it at school High School and would like to be able to run it

> at home.

>

> While there are O/S alternatives, they don't teach those in schools,

> they teach AutoCAD as a standard.

>

 

And that's a perfectly good reason for running Windows, nobody as far as

I can tell has denied that, or maybe a VMware machine running on Linux

so when something crashes it doesn't hose the entire system :)

 

What percentage of students will take relevant studies and what does the

license cost?

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> On Oct 20, 9:12 pm, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On Oct 20, 7:57 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> news:1192900657.070344.180430@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 5:50 pm, "Richard Urban"

>>>>>>> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> You are so right.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am still waiting to install AutoCad under Linux. Gee, maybe they

>>>>>>>> (Linux)

>>>>>>>> could write a "shim" to allow it to install and operate -

>>>>>>>> similar to what

>>>>>>>> Microsoft does.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> Autodesk sure isn't going to re-engineer their very expensive

>>>>>>>> program for

>>>>>>>> Linux, when Linux has less that 3% of the desktop total. And, of

>>>>>>>> that 3%,

>>>>>>>> maybe 2% - will need to use AutoCad.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> Even if Autodesk came out with a Linux version (unlikely) I sure

>>>>>>>> wouldn't

>>>>>>>> pay an additional $3800 for what I already have (which works

>>>>>>>> just fine in

>>>>>>>> Windows - thank you).

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> The fact remains that Linux still can't do it.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>>> Richard Urban

>>>>>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>>>>>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>> Most people don't need Auto Cad.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> That is a very poor argument.

>>>>>> Most people don't need Linux, especially those posting in this group.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> LOL! People hate Vista and know that XP is on its last legs.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You must either be on drugs, extremely stupid, and/or one very confused

>>>> and naive person.

>>>>

>>>> Ubuntu is

 

A real POS toy os for imbeciles and lying losers like you.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> an excellent alternative to the DRM riddled, WPA and WGA crippled POS

>>>>> called Vista.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Ubuntu is a toy POS os for children under the age of 3...or persons

>>>> mentally the same age.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Keep telling yourself that, Frank.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>>

>>

>>

>> I'm not the one married to ubuntu...

>

>

> Yeah, you're incapable of installing it. Vista was preinstalled for you,

> right boobie?

 

More lies..well...what's new, huh.

>

> you are, therefore you're the one

>

>> who needs to keep telling yourself that fact.

>> Frank

>

>

> You're confused as usual, Frank. Vista is the toy, only good for some

> games and games in the future. The same is true for XP, which is the

> only reason I still have XP.

>

> Alias