On Oct 19, 5:28 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

wrote:

> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>

>

>

> >> For Ubuntu and similar to become what Windows is, they have to find a way

> >> around the 'techie' image, and produce something that is mindlessly

> >> simple

> >> and is 100% compatible with Windows.

>

> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

> > stay around.

>

> I thought you knew.. most open source applications do run on windows so it

> is compatible.

> I would like to see you name any useful open source applications that

> aren't.

 

Evolution. The only comparable program I know of that runs in Windows

is Outlook.

 

Alias

On Oct 19, 5:20 pm, "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikeh...@mvps.com> wrote:

> Alias

>

> You miss all of the fun part by not installing when first released. I would

> have thought that a Linux user of your caliber would want to get it asap.

> You might even be able to help iron out some of the bugs

>

> I will indeed install GG as soon as the server co-operates and releases the

> download at a reasonable speed.

>

> FF doesn't look better in my opinion, but looks are subjective anyway.

>

> Yes, some like to think that Vista is the new ME.. Some of it is wishful

> thinking.

>

> Windows has to be compatible with Linux to survive? You spend too much time

> in isolation. Get out more.. :-)

>

> Re waiting for CDs, refer to my opening comment..

>

> Desktop gimmicks have invariably proved themselves to be counter productive

> regardless of source..

>

> I use two displays.. less problematic than a spinning cube or endless road..

>

> Minimizing apps while doing real work? How do you manage real work if the

> apps required to do it are minimized?

>

> You will have to explain further why you think that the cube or any other

> graphical toy can replace MS Office/Open Office etc.

>

> Linux can be a carrier of virus'. How do you ensure that yours isn't, other

> than not installing it until a bug free version appears?

>

> Strangely, MS operating systems also update automatically. It is the new way

> of keeping an OS up to date. Cool, yes?

>

> WGA and WPA adversely affect few users in reality, and many people would

> wonder why you harp on about them so much.

>

> You show little faith in Ubuntu, which is not a good ad for it. If the only

> real good thing is being free, Ubuntu will not take over from anything other

> than its own previous versions. It also faces stiff competition from other

> strains of Linux.

>

> Your call to mindlessly switch to Ubuntu fails to address the very real

> migration problems that moving from one platform to another presents. It is

> an area that you just shrug off with 'there are equivalents'. Sorry but that

> is not good enough.

>

> Whether migrating from Windows to Linux or the other way around, there are

> issues that go way beyond 'oh well, it should have worked because I think

> that A is better than B'.

>

> Please show due consideration to the people looking for answers here. It is

> not about personal preferences. It is responding to the call to help, not

> make things more complicated or worse.

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVPhttp://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

> Posting Productively..http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

 

I have replied to all your points above before.

 

Alias

"Alias" <iamalias@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Oct 19, 5:28 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

> wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1192803465.030486.41660@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>>

>>

>>

>> >> For Ubuntu and similar to become what Windows is, they have to find a

>> >> way

>> >> around the 'techie' image, and produce something that is mindlessly

>> >> simple

>> >> and is 100% compatible with Windows.

>>

>> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

>> > stay around.

>>

>> I thought you knew.. most open source applications do run on windows so

>> it

>> is compatible.

>> I would like to see you name any useful open source applications that

>> aren't.

>

> Evolution. The only comparable program I know of that runs in Windows

> is Outlook.

 

There for XP.

Nearly there for vista.

Alias wrote:

 

<snip>

> No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

> stay around.

<snip>

 

You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces just

to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

 

Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their proprietary

code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large inhibitor

to its adoption.

 

As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported ones,

both proprietary and open source.

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> trying to install Ubuntu 7.10 in a VMWare virtual machine. And I am still

> only at 59%.

>

> Heck, Vista installed in 32 minutes under VMWare.

>

> --

>

> Regards,

>

> Richard Urban

> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>

Christ, you just lower yourself to the same pits as the Microsoft haters

On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

> <snip>

> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

> > stay around.

> <snip>

>

> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces just

> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>

> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their proprietary

> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large inhibitor

> to its adoption.

 

Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>

> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported ones,

> both proprietary and open source.

 

Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

 

Alias

On Oct 19, 6:23 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

wrote:

> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

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>

>

>

> > On Oct 19, 5:28 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

> > wrote:

> >> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:1192803465.030486.41660@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> >> For Ubuntu and similar to become what Windows is, they have to find a

> >> >> way

> >> >> around the 'techie' image, and produce something that is mindlessly

> >> >> simple

> >> >> and is 100% compatible with Windows.

>

> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

> >> > stay around.

>

> >> I thought you knew.. most open source applications do run on windows so

> >> it

> >> is compatible.

> >> I would like to see you name any useful open source applications that

> >> aren't.

>

> > Evolution. The only comparable program I know of that runs in Windows

> > is Outlook.

>

> There for XP.

> Nearly there for vista.

 

 

In Beta for XP.

 

Alias

"Alias" <iamalias@gmail.com> schreef in bericht

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> On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>> <snip>

>> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

>> > stay around.

>> <snip>

>>

>> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces just

>> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>>

>> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

>> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their proprietary

>> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large inhibitor

>> to its adoption.

>

> Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>

>>

>> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported ones,

>> both proprietary and open source.

>

> Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

> viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

 

They do, see http://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

Not too much, a mere 3667.

On Oct 20, 11:51 am, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:1192871455.244590.283720@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

> > On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

> >> Alias wrote:

>

> >> <snip>

> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

> >> > stay around.

> >> <snip>

>

> >> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces just

> >> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>

> >> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

> >> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their proprietary

> >> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large inhibitor

> >> to its adoption.

>

> > Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>

> >> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported ones,

> >> both proprietary and open source.

>

> > Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>

> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

> Not too much, a mere 3667.

 

Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

malware are slim and none.

 

The chances that you have to put up with WPA and WGA are nil, zilch,

nada, nothing.

 

Alias

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> On Oct 20, 11:51 am, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

>> berichtnews:1192871455.244590.283720@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

>>

>>

>>

>> > On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

>> >> Alias wrote:

>>

>> >> <snip>

>> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

>> >> > stay around.

>> >> <snip>

>>

>> >> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces just

>> >> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>>

>> >> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

>> >> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their proprietary

>> >> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large

>> >> inhibitor

>> >> to its adoption.

>>

>> > Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>>

>> >> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported ones,

>> >> both proprietary and open source.

>>

>> > Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

>> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>>

>> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

>> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>

> Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

> programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

> malware are slim and none.

 

That makes sense: only get software from the source (for Windows that's MS)

On Oct 20, 12:27 pm, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

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>

>

>

> > On Oct 20, 11:51 am, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

> >> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

> >> berichtnews:1192871455.244590.283720@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> > On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

> >> >> Alias wrote:

>

> >> >> <snip>

> >> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

> >> >> > stay around.

> >> >> <snip>

>

> >> >> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces just

> >> >> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>

> >> >> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

> >> >> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their proprietary

> >> >> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large

> >> >> inhibitor

> >> >> to its adoption.

>

> >> > Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>

> >> >> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported ones,

> >> >> both proprietary and open source.

>

> >> > Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

> >> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>

> >> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

> >> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>

> > Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

> > programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

> > malware are slim and none.

>

> That makes sense: only get software from the source (for Windows that's MS)

 

 

MS doesn't have nearly the quantity of programs available that Ubuntu

has through its repository. Drive by viruses and malware are mostly

designed for Windows, not Linux. Email viruses are mostly designed for

Windows, not Linux. Windows boxes, in the hundreds of thousands, make

up herd bots that spew millions of spam. No significant (if any)

amount of Linux boxes have been compromised in this way.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>> <snip>

>> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

>> > stay around.

>> <snip>

>>

>> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces just

>> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>>

>> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

>> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their proprietary

>> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large inhibitor

>> to its adoption.

>

> Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

 

 

Not on my machines. 3 out of 4 printers not supported. 3 scanners not

supported. 2 modems integrated into MF printers not supported. 2 TV

Tuners not supported. RAID not supported. With 1440 x 900 monitor uses

up about 850 width.

The RAID support requires recompiling the kernel. The ATI provided

driver (not avail with restricted drivers) requires a convoluted series

of dowmload instructions be followed (which eventual ends up recompiling).

 

Not all of these are natively available in Vista, but the add-on process

is trivial.

 

If you don't see that as a problem, you've got your head firmly stuck in

the sand.

>

>> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported ones,

>> both proprietary and open source.

>

> Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

> viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>

> Alias

>

>

 

I have no liking for WPA, WGA and stealth upgrades. OTOH I haven't had

problems like some here. I always run antivirus sofware, and have never

had a virus get through.

On Oct 20, 12:58 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

> Alias wrote:

> > On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

> >> Alias wrote:

>

> >> <snip>

> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans to

> >> > stay around.

> >> <snip>

>

> >> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces just

> >> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>

> >> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

> >> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their proprietary

> >> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large inhibitor

> >> to its adoption.

>

> > Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>

> Not on my machines. 3 out of 4 printers not supported.

 

Lexmark?

> 3 scanners not

> supported.

 

Lexmark?

> 2 modems integrated into MF printers not supported.

 

Winmodem?

> 2 TV

> Tuners not supported. RAID not supported. With 1440 x 900 monitor uses

> up about 850 width.

> The RAID support requires recompiling the kernel. The ATI provided

> driver (not avail with restricted drivers) requires a convoluted series

> of dowmload instructions be followed (which eventual ends up recompiling).

 

The reason I use nVidia.

 

It isn't Ubuntu's fault that Lexmark and ATI don't support Linux.

>

> Not all of these are natively available in Vista, but the add-on process

> is trivial.

>

> If you don't see that as a problem, you've got your head firmly stuck in

> the sand.

 

I don't use that hardware so, no, it isn't a problem for me.

>

>

>

> >> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported ones,

> >> both proprietary and open source.

>

> > Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>

> > Alias

>

> I have no liking for WPA, WGA and stealth upgrades. OTOH I haven't had

> problems like some here. I always run antivirus sofware, and have never

> had a virus get through.

 

You are computer savvy. I repair computers sometimes and the people

who use Live Messenger, surf, email and use eMule bring their

computers to me chock full of viruses and malware. The don't update

*anything*. Windows is OK for computer savvy people but Ubuntu is

better for users who are not.

 

Alias

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> On Oct 20, 12:27 pm, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

>> berichtnews:1192874573.890952.172210@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

>>

>>

>>

>> > On Oct 20, 11:51 am, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

>> >> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

>> >> berichtnews:1192871455.244590.283720@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> >> > On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

>> >> >> Alias wrote:

>>

>> >> >> <snip>

>> >> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans

>> >> >> to

>> >> >> > stay around.

>> >> >> <snip>

>>

>> >> >> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces

>> >> >> just

>> >> >> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>>

>> >> >> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces

>> >> >> of

>> >> >> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their

>> >> >> proprietary

>> >> >> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large

>> >> >> inhibitor

>> >> >> to its adoption.

>>

>> >> > Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>>

>> >> >> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported

>> >> >> ones,

>> >> >> both proprietary and open source.

>>

>> >> > Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

>> >> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>>

>> >> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

>> >> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>>

>> > Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

>> > programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

>> > malware are slim and none.

>>

>> That makes sense: only get software from the source (for Windows that's

>> MS)

>

>

> MS doesn't have nearly the quantity of programs available that Ubuntu

> has through its repository. Drive by viruses and malware are mostly

> designed for Windows, not Linux. Email viruses are mostly designed for

> Windows, not Linux. Windows boxes, in the hundreds of thousands, make

> up herd bots that spew millions of spam. No significant (if any)

> amount of Linux boxes have been compromised in this way.

 

Crap on any OS produces crap :-)

 

Let's go day-dreaming: suppose Linux has a market share of 80%.

Do you believe that it will be safe for those idiots?

On Oct 20, 1:17 pm, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

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>

>

>

> > On Oct 20, 12:27 pm, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

> >> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

> >> berichtnews:1192874573.890952.172210@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> > On Oct 20, 11:51 am, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

> >> >> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

> >> >> berichtnews:1192871455.244590.283720@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> >> > On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> Alias wrote:

>

> >> >> >> <snip>

> >> >> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans

> >> >> >> to

> >> >> >> > stay around.

> >> >> >> <snip>

>

> >> >> >> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces

> >> >> >> just

> >> >> >> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>

> >> >> >> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces

> >> >> >> of

> >> >> >> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their

> >> >> >> proprietary

> >> >> >> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large

> >> >> >> inhibitor

> >> >> >> to its adoption.

>

> >> >> > Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>

> >> >> >> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported

> >> >> >> ones,

> >> >> >> both proprietary and open source.

>

> >> >> > Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

> >> >> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>

> >> >> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

> >> >> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>

> >> > Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

> >> > programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

> >> > malware are slim and none.

>

> >> That makes sense: only get software from the source (for Windows that's

> >> MS)

>

> > MS doesn't have nearly the quantity of programs available that Ubuntu

> > has through its repository. Drive by viruses and malware are mostly

> > designed for Windows, not Linux. Email viruses are mostly designed for

> > Windows, not Linux. Windows boxes, in the hundreds of thousands, make

> > up herd bots that spew millions of spam. No significant (if any)

> > amount of Linux boxes have been compromised in this way.

>

> Crap on any OS produces crap :-)

>

> Let's go day-dreaming: suppose Linux has a market share of 80%.

> Do you believe that it will be safe for those idiots?

 

If they only install programs from the repository, of course they will

be safe.

 

Alias

"Alias" <iamalias@gmail.com> wrote in message

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8<

>> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>>

>> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

>> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>

> Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

> programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

> malware are slim and none.

 

Compared to leaving your TV in the supermarket car park, leaving it on the

front lawn is bullet proof security.

Would you do either?

I thought you understood security by comparison is not security.

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> On Oct 20, 1:17 pm, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

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>>

>>

>> > On Oct 20, 12:27 pm, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

>> >> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

>> >> berichtnews:1192874573.890952.172210@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> >> > On Oct 20, 11:51 am, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

>> >> >> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

>> >> >> berichtnews:1192871455.244590.283720@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> >> >> > On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

>> >> >> >> Alias wrote:

>>

>> >> >> >> <snip>

>> >> >> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it

>> >> >> >> plans

>> >> >> >> to

>> >> >> >> > stay around.

>> >> >> >> <snip>

>>

>> >> >> >> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support

>> >> >> >> interfaces

>> >> >> >> just

>> >> >> >> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>>

>> >> >> >> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver

>> >> >> >> interfaces

>> >> >> >> of

>> >> >> >> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their

>> >> >> >> proprietary

>> >> >> >> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large

>> >> >> >> inhibitor

>> >> >> >> to its adoption.

>>

>> >> >> > Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>>

>> >> >> >> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported

>> >> >> >> ones,

>> >> >> >> both proprietary and open source.

>>

>> >> >> > Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth

>> >> >> > updates,

>> >> >> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>>

>> >> >> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

>> >> >> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>>

>> >> > Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

>> >> > programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

>> >> > malware are slim and none.

>>

>> >> That makes sense: only get software from the source (for Windows

>> >> that's

>> >> MS)

>>

>> > MS doesn't have nearly the quantity of programs available that Ubuntu

>> > has through its repository. Drive by viruses and malware are mostly

>> > designed for Windows, not Linux. Email viruses are mostly designed for

>> > Windows, not Linux. Windows boxes, in the hundreds of thousands, make

>> > up herd bots that spew millions of spam. No significant (if any)

>> > amount of Linux boxes have been compromised in this way.

>>

>> Crap on any OS produces crap :-)

>>

>> Let's go day-dreaming: suppose Linux has a market share of 80%.

>> Do you believe that it will be safe for those idiots?

>

> If they only install programs from the repository, of course they will

> be safe.

 

You will be safe _now_ if you only install programs from Microsoft.:-)

What irony!

 

Using Linux with only the programs contained in the distribution is way too

similar to what AOL has done for so many years (a gated community). What

this proponent suggests, and confirms, is that if you "contain" yourself to

what others feel is suitable for you you will have no problems. Some

advocates go from stupid to foolish.

 

What about the freedom of choice, that many of the zealots scream about in

trying to get others to move to their platform of *containment* (not

contentment)?

 

--

 

Regards,

 

Richard Urban

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

 

 

"OldBoy" <nono@planet.nl> wrote in message

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> "Alias" <iamalias@gmail.com> schreef in bericht

> news:1192874573.890952.172210@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

>> On Oct 20, 11:51 am, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

>>> berichtnews:1192871455.244590.283720@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> > On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

>>> >> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>> >> <snip>

>>> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans

>>> >> to

>>> >> > stay around.

>>> >> <snip>

>>>

>>> >> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces

>>> >> just

>>> >> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>>>

>>> >> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

>>> >> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their

>>> >> proprietary

>>> >> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large

>>> >> inhibitor

>>> >> to its adoption.

>>>

>>> > Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>>>

>>> >> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported

>>> >> ones,

>>> >> both proprietary and open source.

>>>

>>> > Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

>>> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>>>

>>> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

>>> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>>

>> Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

>> programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

>> malware are slim and none.

>

> That makes sense: only get software from the source (for Windows that's

> MS)

>

On Oct 20, 1:54 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

wrote:

> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1192874573.890952.172210@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

>

> 8<

>

> >> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>

> >> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

> >> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>

> > Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

> > programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

> > malware are slim and none.

>

> Compared to leaving your TV in the supermarket car park, leaving it on the

> front lawn is bullet proof security.

> Would you do either?

> I thought you understood security by comparison is not security.

 

It's obvious you misunderstood what I wrote but what else is new?

 

Alias

How about: Know Thy Enemy!

 

--

 

Regards,

 

Richard Urban

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

 

 

"will_s" <willsjunkremove@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

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>

> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:uSXBdKcEIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> trying to install Ubuntu 7.10 in a VMWare virtual machine. And I am still

>> only at 59%.

>>

>> Heck, Vista installed in 32 minutes under VMWare.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Richard Urban

>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>>

> Christ, you just lower yourself to the same pits as the Microsoft haters

>

>

"Alias" <iamalias@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1192884201.424538.36360@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 20, 1:54 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

> wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1192874573.890952.172210@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> 8<

>>

>> >> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>>

>> >> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

>> >> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>>

>> > Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

>> > programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

>> > malware are slim and none.

>>

>> Compared to leaving your TV in the supermarket car park, leaving it on

>> the

>> front lawn is bullet proof security.

>> Would you do either?

>> I thought you understood security by comparison is not security.

>

> It's obvious you misunderstood what I wrote but what else is new?

 

You are the one that keeps telling us Linux is secure when it isn't.

It doesn't matter if windows XP/vista/OS X is secure you are telling

everyone Ubuntu and Linux are secure which is untrue.

You tell people that there is no malware for Linux which is also untrue.

So what don't you understand about security that makes you think you are

correct?

On Oct 20, 3:43 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

wrote:

> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1192884201.424538.36360@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

> > On Oct 20, 1:54 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

> > wrote:

> >> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:1192874573.890952.172210@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> 8<

>

> >> >> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>

> >> >> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

> >> >> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>

> >> > Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

> >> > programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

> >> > malware are slim and none.

>

> >> Compared to leaving your TV in the supermarket car park, leaving it on

> >> the

> >> front lawn is bullet proof security.

> >> Would you do either?

> >> I thought you understood security by comparison is not security.

>

> > It's obvious you misunderstood what I wrote but what else is new?

>

> You are the one that keeps telling us Linux is secure when it isn't.

> It doesn't matter if windows XP/vista/OS X is secure you are telling

> everyone Ubuntu and Linux are secure which is untrue.

> You tell people that there is no malware for Linux which is also untrue.

> So what don't you understand about security that makes you think you are

> correct?

 

Um, I said that Linux is not as virus and malware *prone* as Windows

is. Key word: prone.

 

Alias

On Oct 20, 2:42 pm, "Richard Urban"

<richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> What irony!

>

> Using Linux with only the programs contained in the distribution is way too

> similar to what AOL has done for so many years (a gated community). What

> this proponent suggests, and confirms, is that if you "contain" yourself to

> what others feel is suitable for you you will have no problems. Some

> advocates go from stupid to foolish.

 

The fact that you don't know the difference between AOL and Ubuntu is

very revealing. Over 25,000 programs are available from the Ubuntu

repository.

>

> What about the freedom of choice, that many of the zealots scream about in

> trying to get others to move to their platform of *containment* (not

> contentment)?

 

If 25,000 programs are not enough choice for you, you need to get out

more.

 

Alias

>

> --

>

> Regards,

>

> Richard Urban

> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

>

> "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote in message

>

> news:50AA3ECE-D4A3-4375-88AA-1AFA0BA8AA18@microsoft.com...

>

> > "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in bericht

> >news:1192874573.890952.172210@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

> >> On Oct 20, 11:51 am, "OldBoy" <n...@planet.nl> wrote:

> >>> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> schreef in

> >>> berichtnews:1192871455.244590.283720@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

>

> >>> > On Oct 19, 7:24 pm, cvp <goa...@nospam.com> wrote:

> >>> >> Alias wrote:

>

> >>> >> <snip>

> >>> >> > No, Windows has to become 100% compatible with Linux if it plans

> >>> >> to

> >>> >> > stay around.

> >>> >> <snip>

>

> >>> >> You jest! Why would Windows give up its device support interfaces

> >>> >> just

> >>> >> to reduce the number of devices supported to the Linux level.

>

> >>> >> Now if Linux were to support the .inf and device driver interfaces of

> >>> >> Windows and accept that most IHVs don't want to give their

> >>> >> proprietary

> >>> >> code to the Open Source community, Linux would remove a large

> >>> >> inhibitor

> >>> >> to its adoption.

>

> >>> > Gutsy supports more hardware than Vista. Oops.

>

> >>> >> As far as applications go, there is no lack of Windows supported

> >>> >> ones,

> >>> >> both proprietary and open source.

>

> >>> > Yeah, and you are blessed with the groovy WPA, WGA, stealth updates,

> >>> > viruses and malware that don't run on Linux. Oops.

>

> >>> They do, seehttp://secunia.com/search/?search=linux

> >>> Not too much, a mere 3667.

>

> >> Compared to Windows, Linux is bullet proof. If you only install

> >> programs from the repository with Ubuntu, your chances of getting

> >> malware are slim and none.

>

> > That makes sense: only get software from the source (for Windows that's

> > MS)

"Alias" <iamalias@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1192889255.974908.299510@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

> If 25,000 programs are not enough choice for you, you need to get out

> more.

 

25,000 programs is still a restricted subset and it excludes lots of games,

CAD programs, video editors, sound processors, music composers and other

stuff like that.

On Oct 20, 4:45 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>

wrote:

> "Alias" <iamal...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1192889255.974908.299510@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

>

> > If 25,000 programs are not enough choice for you, you need to get out

> > more.

>

> 25,000 programs is still a restricted subset and it excludes lots of games,

> CAD programs, video editors, sound processors, music composers and other

> stuff like that.

 

Most people don't use those programs and if you really have to use

them, dual boot with XP.

 

Alias