On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

> lost.

>

> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

> drive.

>

> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>

> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>

> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>

> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>

> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>

> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

> drive without a single warning?

>

> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

> whole hard drive without warning.

>

> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>

> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>

> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>

> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

> drive and erase everything in it."

>

> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

> as erasing the whole hard drive.

 

 

What do you expect?

You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

your homework.

 

You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

interesting stuff like that.

You see, Linux is not like Windows.

Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

 

You have nobody to blame but yourself.

Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

<rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>> drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

>> whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

>> as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

>

Linux is s**t

Remeber to wipe yourself before you reinstall windows

"olfart" <olfart65@excite.com> wrote in news:5nkdpcFijr2uU1

@mid.individual.net:

>

> <rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>> lost.

>>>

>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my

C:

>>> drive.

>>>

>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>

>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>

>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>

>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>>> drive without a single warning?

>>>

>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

erases

>>> whole hard drive without warning.

>>>

>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>

>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>>

>>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>>

>>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>>

>>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as

destructive

>>> as erasing the whole hard drive.

>>

>>

>> What do you expect?

>> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

>> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

>> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

>> your homework.

>>

>> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

>> interesting stuff like that.

>> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

>> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>>

>> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

>> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>>

>>

> Linux is s**t

> Remeber to wipe yourself before you reinstall windows

 

Linux has nothing to do with this particular users problem.

 

Guess what....Windows asks how you want to partition the drive too, so if

you have no clue as to what partitioning is or what it actually means,

you could get screwed no matter what OS you are installing.

 

So there's noone/thing to blame except the user in this case.

In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when

other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)

 

--

 

Regards,

 

Richard Urban

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

 

 

<rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>> drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

>> whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

>> as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

>

>

rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>lost.

>>

>>After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>>drive.

>>

>>So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>>I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>>I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>>I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>>I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>>How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>>drive without a single warning?

>>

>>Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

>>whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>>The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>>the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>>I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>>some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>>it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>>say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>>right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>>When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>>choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>>entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>>already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>>drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>>Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>>about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>>skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>>thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>>spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

>>as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

>

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

>

>

Oh yes....how wonderful!

Frank

On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when

> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)

>

 

Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to

its use of bootloader, right?

 

i

rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

 

For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi

(Windows Ubuntu Installer).

 

"Wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users that will bring you

into the Linux world with a single click. Wubi allows you to install and

uninstall Ubuntu Linux as any other application."

 

http://www.download.com/3000-2098_4-10702316.html

olfart wrote:

>Linux is

 

*plonk*

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841

<ignoramus1841@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:

>On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when

>> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)

>>

>

>Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to

>its use of bootloader, right?

>

>i

Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and

thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.

 

However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of

knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub

to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.

 

Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is

alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based accounts

system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of how to

make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi unix, I

have an iMac for that sort of thing!

On 2007-10-16, Snuff <snuffin@all2worry4.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841

><ignoramus1841@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:

>

>>On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when

>>> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)

>>>

>>

>>Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to

>>its use of bootloader, right?

>>

>>i

> Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and

> thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.

>

> However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of

> knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub

> to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.

 

Yes.

> Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is

> alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based

> accounts system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of

> how to make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi

> unix, I have an iMac for that sort of thing!

 

Mac is Unix, not quasi Unix.

 

Just curious, how long does it take Vista to boot?

 

i

"lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>> lost.

>>>

>

> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi

> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).

 

Its a bit too late for that.

The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user

will stick with something else.

This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no idea

how simple it has to be for the mass market.

Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux

partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my

>> C: drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

>> erases whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as

>> destructive as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

 

Or, Linux - in a moment of supreme self-importance - thought for a

moment that it WAS Windows and just took over you PC......

 

(Sorry, could not resist).

 

Jeff

Try using your brain.

Why would it be any different from any other OS installation.

 

"rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com" wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

> > lost.

> >

> > After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

> > drive.

> >

> > So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

> >

> > I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

> >

> > I needed to reinstall every single application.

> >

> > I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

> >

> > I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

> >

> > How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

> > drive without a single warning?

> >

> > Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

> > work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

> > whole hard drive without warning.

> >

> > The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

> > content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

> > the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

> >

> > http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

> >

> > I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

> > some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

> > it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

> > say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

> > right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

> >

> > When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

> > choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

> > entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

> > already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

> > drive and erase everything in it."

> >

> > Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

> > about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

> > skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

> > thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

> > spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

> > as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

>

>

>

Neither is Windows .......

 

Jeff

 

Richard Urban wrote:

> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an

> install when other operating systems are already on the computer.

> (bait)

>

> <rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C:

>>> was lost.

>>>

>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my

>>> C: drive.

>>>

>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>>

>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>>

>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>>

>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>>

>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole

>>> hard drive without a single warning?

>>>

>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu

>>> erases whole hard drive without warning.

>>>

>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set

>>> as the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>>

>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>>

>>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" --

>>> best right after people click the "partition for whole drive"

>>> option. When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard

>>> drive",

>>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>>

>>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as

>>> destructive as erasing the whole hard drive.

>>

>>

>> What do you expect?

>> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

>> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

>> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

>> your homework.

>>

>> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

>> interesting stuff like that.

>> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

>> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>>

>> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

>> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

Snuff wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841

> <ignoramus1841@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:

>

>> On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an

>>> install when other operating systems are already on the computer.

>>> (bait)

>>>

>>

>> Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to

>> its use of bootloader, right?

>>

>> i

> Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and

> thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.

>

> However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of

> knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub

> to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.

 

But, the bit of knowledge is precisely what is missing here. This is a

person who though partitioning meant "dividing you data". You really

think he knows what a boot partition or grub are?

>

> Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is

> alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based accounts

> system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of how to

> make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi unix, I

> have an iMac for that sort of thing!

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>> drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of work,

>> or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases whole

>> hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

 

It says "Guided - Use entire disk".

 

Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your

comprehension?

 

 

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In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>> lost.

>>>>

>>

>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi

>> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).

> Its a bit too late for that.

> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user

> will stick with something else.

 

What lack of suitable warning?

Can you show us some screen shots of this "lack of warning"?

> This is the problem with Linux ..

 

No it isn't.

> it is written by geeks who have no idea

> how simple it has to be for the mass market.

 

No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

 

> Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux

> partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

 

Hahaha, oh really? Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,

shall we?

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:16 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>> lost.

>>>>

>>>>

>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi (Windows

>> Ubuntu Installer).

>

> Its a bit too late for that.

> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux

> user will stick with something else.

> This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no

> idea how simple it has to be for the mass market. Windows would have

> warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux partition and

> that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

 

Oh come on Dennis...

 

What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I

mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

 

How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading

the whole sentence?

 

Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system

changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to

OK before actually doing it.

 

So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.

You need to do so twice.

 

Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?

 

Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /

partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually

configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course

Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a

mistake. I suppose that is one difference.

 

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rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>> lost.

>>

>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:

>> drive.

>>

>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.

>>

>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall every single application.

>>

>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.

>>

>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.

>>

>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard

>> drive without a single warning?

>>

>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of

>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases

>> whole hard drive without warning.

>>

>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the

>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as

>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":

>>

>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg

>>

>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that

>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know

>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just

>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best

>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.

>>

>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",

>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my

>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is

>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C

>> drive and erase everything in it."

>>

>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think

>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as

>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read

>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just

>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive

>> as erasing the whole hard drive.

>

>

> What do you expect?

> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the

> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.

> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do

> your homework.

>

> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of

> interesting stuff like that.

> You see, Linux is not like Windows.

> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

>

> You have nobody to blame but yourself.

> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

>

>

>

Bug Report Closed, By Design, Just FYI.

<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

news:selfu4-ije.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...

> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

> dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble

> thusly:

>

>> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>>> lost.

>>>>>

>>>

>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi

>>> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).

>

>> Its a bit too late for that.

>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user

>> will stick with something else.

>

> What lack of suitable warning?

> Can you show us some screen shots of this "lack of warning"?

>

>> This is the problem with Linux ..

>

> No it isn't.

 

Linux's success says otherwise.

>> it is written by geeks who have no idea

>> how simple it has to be for the mass market.

>

> No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

 

3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

and a few I have forgotten.

Which have you installed?

>

>

>> Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux

>> partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying

>> delete.

>

> Hahaha, oh really?

 

Do you doubt it?

Have you never installed windows?

> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,

> shall we?

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:16 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>

>> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...

>>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was

>>>>> lost.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi (Windows

>>> Ubuntu Installer).

>>

>> Its a bit too late for that.

>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux

>> user will stick with something else.

>> This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no

>> idea how simple it has to be for the mass market. Windows would have

>> warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux partition and

>> that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

>

> Oh come on Dennis...

>

> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I

> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

 

Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.

If they select manual then they get presented with even more problems.

> How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading

> the whole sentence?

>

> Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system

> changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to

> OK before actually doing it.

>

> So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.

> You need to do so twice.

 

At no time does it actually tell the user that the data on their system will

be lost if they proceed.

As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.

It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or

don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.

> Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?

>

> Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /

> partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually

> configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course

> Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a

> mistake. I suppose that is one difference.

 

Except that they will not remove the data from a partition without warning

the user unlike what you state above.

Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before

removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will be

lost if they do. It even asks twice before it will format one.

I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear to

have forgotten what it does.

In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,

dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

> 3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

> and a few I have forgotten.

> Which have you installed?

 

Too many.

> Do you doubt it?

> Have you never installed windows?

 

As I said, Too many times.

>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,

>> shall we?

 

 

Didn't think so.

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:11:42 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

>> No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

>

>3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>and a few I have forgotten.

>Which have you installed?

 

Still acting like a pompous ass aren't you. What's the matter, can't

break an old bad habit?

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:25:09 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>> Oh come on Dennis...

>>

>> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I

>> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

>

>Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.

 

You're really getting out of control. I know what your problem is. You

simply can't stand to get corrected. Even when you are wrong. Why else

you think I keep calling you a pompous jerk.

 

ROTFLMAO!

>As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.

>It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or

>don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.

 

Don't get me started on all the Microsoft screw ups. It would be a

very long detailed list starting with illegal snooping on customer's

computers reporting back to Redmond and marking legit copies of Vista

as counterfeit. Just wondering, you REALLY want me to post such a

list?

 

Face facts. You're nothing but another head up your ass Microsoft

apologist that gets his shorts all bunched up any time anybody exposes

what rubes Microsoft designers really are.

>Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before

>removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will be

>lost if they do.

 

Now you're cherry picking. How come you never want to face all the

stupid things Vista does? You simply have no clue what being fair and

balanced means. If you want to start nitpicking Linux or Macs, first

clean up Microsoft's house. It's a mess. You know it too.

>It even asks twice before it will format one.

>I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear to

>have forgotten what it does.

 

I can't forget what a a-hole you always are. You make it impossible to

forget.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:11:42 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>

>><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message

>

>

>>>No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

>>

>>3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx

>>and a few I have forgotten.

>>Which have you installed?

>

>

> Still acting like a pompous ass aren't you.

 

Oh, I don't think he has any intention at all of stealing your pompous

act, you as*hole!

Frank