OVER 33 percent are unsatisfied with vista...

October 15, 200717 yr

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:46:56 -0700, "Vista User"

<VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>If you knew anything at all about manufacturing you would realize no company

>would want millions of anything sitting on the shelf not earning money.

>Inventory always has a high turnover. Having inventory sitting on the shelf

>is lost revenue. It simply doesn't happen.

Really? You said inventory always has a high turnover. Well maybe you

should drop a note to Ford and GM management and tell them. I'm sure

their inventory of vehicles they can't sell that's collection dust

sitting somewhere UNSOLD is really just an illusion.

Oh God, I give up trying to educate you. We're talking a DVD disc! You

have any idea how cheap they are to mass produce? Do you even know how

little room they take up in a warehouse?

Besides, I'm not talking Microsoft's warehouses. There are tens of

thousands of companies that sell Vista. That's just in this country.

Since Vista is sold world wide multiply that number by a considerable

number. What I'm trying to tell you is the sales figures most likely

mean what's sold to wholesale and retail suppliers, much of which of

course isn't sold, we're NOT talking copies sold to customers.

So to keep it simple just so maybe you and fellow fanboy dimwits might

get it, that 60,000,000 figure doesn't mean 60,000,000 users are

currently running Vista. I doubt the number is half that high. I

couldn't care less.

The point is the fanboy crowd ALWAYS accepts as gospel anything

Microsoft claims. In the real world most people aren't that dumb.

Since you do seem to be that dumb, it really is pointless trying to

explain how the world works to you in more detail. So believe what you

want. Far be it from me to burst your illusion of reality.

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October 15, 200717 yr

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:46:56 -0700, "Vista User"

> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>

>>If you knew anything at all about manufacturing you would realize no

>>company

>>would want millions of anything sitting on the shelf not earning money.

>>Inventory always has a high turnover. Having inventory sitting on the

>>shelf

>>is lost revenue. It simply doesn't happen.

>

> Really? You said inventory always has a high turnover. Well maybe you

> should drop a note to Ford and GM management and tell them. I'm sure

> their inventory of vehicles they can't sell that's collection dust

> sitting somewhere UNSOLD is really just an illusion.

>

> Oh God, I give up trying to educate you. We're talking a DVD disc! You

> have any idea how cheap they are to mass produce? Do you even know how

> little room they take up in a warehouse?

>

> Besides, I'm not talking Microsoft's warehouses. There are tens of

> thousands of companies that sell Vista. That's just in this country.

> Since Vista is sold world wide multiply that number by a considerable

> number. What I'm trying to tell you is the sales figures most likely

> mean what's sold to wholesale and retail suppliers, much of which of

> course isn't sold, we're NOT talking copies sold to customers.

>

> So to keep it simple just so maybe you and fellow fanboy dimwits might

> get it, that 60,000,000 figure doesn't mean 60,000,000 users are

> currently running Vista. I doubt the number is half that high. I

> couldn't care less.

>

> The point is the fanboy crowd ALWAYS accepts as gospel anything

> Microsoft claims. In the real world most people aren't that dumb.

> Since you do seem to be that dumb, it really is pointless trying to

> explain how the world works to you in more detail. So believe what you

> want. Far be it from me to burst your illusion of reality.

>

I see you need some lesions. Please Google "Lean Manufacturing" Maybe you

will learn something.

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October 15, 200717 yr

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:49:11 -0700, "Vista User"

<VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>> Facts? A stupid clown like you has no idea what actual facts are. You

>> just proved it again by referencing the same dumb web site that was

>> already discredited.

>>

>> Damn, your dumb.

>It isn't discredited just because of your idiotic ramblings.

>You should just accept the facts and stop putting your foot in your mouth.

The fact is you're an idiot. You forget back from the late 60's

through most of the 80's I was an auditor and accountant. I know how

companies distort figures. OK? If you don't want to believe me, just

think back to Enron. People can make a set of numbers look like they

mean anything they want them to. Any reasonably intelligent person can

do it.

You apparently believe this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

If you think Ballmer is so smart, listen to what he had to say about

Apple's iPhone. You think old Stevo missed that call?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo&mode=related&search=

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October 15, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:46:56 -0700, "Vista User"

> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>

>> If you knew anything at all about manufacturing you would realize no company

>> would want millions of anything sitting on the shelf not earning money.

>> Inventory always has a high turnover. Having inventory sitting on the shelf

>> is lost revenue. It simply doesn't happen.

>

> Really? You said inventory always has a high turnover. Well maybe you

> should drop a note to Ford and GM management and tell them. I'm sure

> their inventory of vehicles they can't sell that's collection dust

> sitting somewhere UNSOLD is really just an illusion.

>

> Oh God, I give up trying to educate you. We're talking a DVD disc! You

> have any idea how cheap they are to mass produce? Do you even know how

> little room they take up in a warehouse?

>

> Besides, I'm not talking Microsoft's warehouses. There are tens of

> thousands of companies that sell Vista. That's just in this country.

> Since Vista is sold world wide multiply that number by a considerable

> number. What I'm trying to tell you is the sales figures most likely

> mean what's sold to wholesale and retail suppliers, much of which of

> course isn't sold, we're NOT talking copies sold to customers.

>

> So to keep it simple just so maybe you and fellow fanboy dimwits might

> get it, that 60,000,000 figure doesn't mean 60,000,000 users are

> currently running Vista. I doubt the number is half that high. I

> couldn't care less.

>

> The point is the fanboy crowd ALWAYS accepts as gospel anything

> Microsoft claims. In the real world most people aren't that dumb.

> Since you do seem to be that dumb, it really is pointless trying to

> explain how the world works to you in more detail. So believe what you

> want. Far be it from me to burst your illusion of reality.

>

Actually for something that is going to get a lot of publicity many

retailers place large initial orders to get quantity discounts if

available, knowing that the stuff should eventually go. In that sense

initial sales can be grossly misleading anyways, since no retailer wants

to send people next door...

It is also possible to rig sales by creating a shortage due to some

mythical supply line problem. Example, you announce the forthcoming

release of "Gizmo" on 4th July. Everybody goes to the store but supplies

are limited so the people that lucked out are even more determined to

find one and go to every store in the city asking for one. Retailers

think there is a huge demand, not realizing it is the same hundred

customers going around 50 stores, so they ALL get on the phone to double

orders. Meanwhile our hundred customers are griping to their friends "I

went to 50 stores today and nobody had a "Gizmo" and the friends ask

"What's a Gizmo then?" and so they all decide they want one too. Word of

mouth advertising is always the best. By 10th July there's big queues

all over, and you have "Sold" millions of the things, the retailers

bought them and unloading them is their problem now.

Wonder how many IPhones Steve Jobs has in his garage :)

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October 15, 200717 yr

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:49:20 -0700, "Vista User"

<VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>> The point is the fanboy crowd ALWAYS accepts as gospel anything

>> Microsoft claims. In the real world most people aren't that dumb.

>> Since you do seem to be that dumb, it really is pointless trying to

>> explain how the world works to you in more detail. So believe what you

>> want. Far be it from me to burst your illusion of reality.

>I see you need some lesions. Please Google "Lean Manufacturing" Maybe you

>will learn something.

I see you need to buy a dictionary. What's a lesions, a new kind of

tropical fruit?

If you want to play more games fine, provide proof, even a shred, that

Microsoft uses the lean manufacturing concept. The reality again is

you're grasping at straws after getting your dumb ass kicked again and

you're desperate to try to safe face. Good luck with that.

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October 15, 200717 yr

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:49:11 -0700, "Vista User"

> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>

>>> Facts? A stupid clown like you has no idea what actual facts are. You

>>> just proved it again by referencing the same dumb web site that was

>>> already discredited.

>>>

>>> Damn, your dumb.

>

>>It isn't discredited just because of your idiotic ramblings.

>>You should just accept the facts and stop putting your foot in your mouth.

>

> The fact is you're an idiot. You forget back from the late 60's

> through most of the 80's I was an auditor and accountant. I know how

> companies distort figures. OK? If you don't want to believe me, just

> think back to Enron. People can make a set of numbers look like they

> mean anything they want them to. Any reasonably intelligent person can

> do it.

>

> You apparently believe this idiot:

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

>

> If you think Ballmer is so smart, listen to what he had to say about

> Apple's iPhone. You think old Stevo missed that call?

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo&mode=related&search=

>

Anything other then the official numbers release are just conjecture on your

part and have no bases in fact.

You just make up the numbers as you go. I at least site actual numbers and

don't pull them out of my ass like you.

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October 15, 200717 yr

Alias wrote:

> Vista User wrote:

>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:festoa$mit$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:lsp2h3p4eiemeu98p8ohqbkqafo8in889j@4ax.com...

>>>>

>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:19 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:2el2h3p8imatmiom1gsrqo6r361um31h6e@4ax.com...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:10 -0400, "one hundred forty three

>>>>>>> thousandths" <0.143@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Is there some reason you spend so many hours looking for links

>>>>>>>> that backup

>>>>>>>> your anti-Vista propaganda?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It takes me seconds. I guess I know how to use Google and you don't.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Presenting FACTS isn't propaganda. That's what Frank and other

>>>>>>> fanboys

>>>>>>> do. I merely expose them when they do it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Are you writing a novel?

>>>>>>>> Are you bored?

>>>>>>>> Are you in jail...but have connections that get you unlimited

>>>>>>>> access to a

>>>>>>>> computer?

>>>>>>>> Just say why !!

>>>>>>>> No need to say you just like smacking fanboi's around...I've

>>>>>>>> read that

>>>>>>>> one.

>>>>>>>> Really.

>>>>>>>> Why do you have such a vendetta against Vista?

>>>>>>>> It's really fascinating.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If you really need to take frustrations out on inanimate

>>>>>>>> objects....

>>>>>>>> Buy a large Stuffed Rabbit.

>>>>>>>> Sit the rabbit in the corner, and yell, holler, and rant at it.

>>>>>>>> When the Stuffed Rabbit just sits there ignoring you.....punch

>>>>>>>> it in the

>>>>>>>> face !

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I hope you enjoyed your little rant. Feel better now?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Adam just can't accept the facts.

>>>>>> 60 Million and counting

>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> After I stop laughing, I got to ask, you stupid enough to believe

>>>>> everything you read? I think you already answered.

>>>>>

>>>>> You wouldn't know a fact from fiction if a fact jumps up and took a

>>>>> bite out of your dumb ass.

>>>>>

>>>>> Sales figures ESPECAILLY when the source is the company providing them

>>>>> themselves are always highly suspect.

>>>>>

>>>>> AFAIK Microsoft never releases more useful numbers like how many

>>>>> customers have activated their copy of Vista. That would at least

>>>>> indicate somebody actually has a copy of Vista on some PC, installed

>>>>> it, registered it and activated it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Gross sales figure can include all kinds of puffing. Does the 60

>>>>> million include units sold to box makers like Dell and Gateway? Does

>>>>> it include volume licenses deals, if so how are the figures tweaked?

>>>>> Does it include what's sitting in warehouses, on shelves at electronic

>>>>> stores like Fry's, CompuUSA, BestBuy, Circuit City?

>>>>>

>>>>> The bottom line is we don't know. I do know the more times I reply to

>>>>> the crap you post the dumber I know you actually are.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> It doesn't matter who uses or how many are on a shelf the fact is:

>>>> 60 Million and counting.

>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>

>>>> Grow up and live with it.

>>>

>>> What happened to Frank's assertion that "billions" of people are

>>> using Vista? Another lie? Just because Dell, HP and the boys ordered

>>> 60 million copies doesn't mean 60 million were sold to end users.

>>> Most are gathering dust in Dell, HP and the boys' warehouses.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>> And you proof is?

>

> The tons of ads I see in the newspapers with cheapo computers running

> Windows Basic and Windows Home Premium that are obviously not sold yet.

>

So now you're a marketing expert (again?).

I don't think so.

Get a real life loser.

Frank

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:48:58 -0700, "Vista User"

> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>

>>"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>news:fetn9u$1pj$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>>Vista User wrote:

>>>

>>>>"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>news:festoa$mit$1@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>>Vista User wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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>>>>>>

>>>>>>>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:19 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>>>>><VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>news:2el2h3p8imatmiom1gsrqo6r361um31h6e@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:10 -0400, "one hundred forty three

>>>>>>>>>thousandths" <0.143@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>Is there some reason you spend so many hours looking for links that

>>>>>>>>>>backup

>>>>>>>>>>your anti-Vista propaganda?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>It takes me seconds. I guess I know how to use Google and you don't.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>Presenting FACTS isn't propaganda. That's what Frank and other

>>>>>>>>>fanboys

>>>>>>>>>do. I merely expose them when they do it.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>Are you writing a novel?

>>>>>>>>>>Are you bored?

>>>>>>>>>>Are you in jail...but have connections that get you unlimited

>>>>>>>>>>access to a

>>>>>>>>>>computer?

>>>>>>>>>>Just say why !!

>>>>>>>>>>No need to say you just like smacking fanboi's around...I've read

>>>>>>>>>>that

>>>>>>>>>>one.

>>>>>>>>>>Really.

>>>>>>>>>>Why do you have such a vendetta against Vista?

>>>>>>>>>>It's really fascinating.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>If you really need to take frustrations out on inanimate

>>>>>>>>>>objects....

>>>>>>>>>>Buy a large Stuffed Rabbit.

>>>>>>>>>>Sit the rabbit in the corner, and yell, holler, and rant at it.

>>>>>>>>>>When the Stuffed Rabbit just sits there ignoring you.....punch it

>>>>>>>>>>in the

>>>>>>>>>>face !

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>I hope you enjoyed your little rant. Feel better now?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>Adam just can't accept the facts.

>>>>>>>>60 Million and counting

>>>>>>>>http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>After I stop laughing, I got to ask, you stupid enough to believe

>>>>>>>everything you read? I think you already answered.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>You wouldn't know a fact from fiction if a fact jumps up and took a

>>>>>>>bite out of your dumb ass.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Sales figures ESPECAILLY when the source is the company providing them

>>>>>>>themselves are always highly suspect.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>AFAIK Microsoft never releases more useful numbers like how many

>>>>>>>customers have activated their copy of Vista. That would at least

>>>>>>>indicate somebody actually has a copy of Vista on some PC, installed

>>>>>>>it, registered it and activated it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>Gross sales figure can include all kinds of puffing. Does the 60

>>>>>>>million include units sold to box makers like Dell and Gateway? Does

>>>>>>>it include volume licenses deals, if so how are the figures tweaked?

>>>>>>>Does it include what's sitting in warehouses, on shelves at electronic

>>>>>>>stores like Fry's, CompuUSA, BestBuy, Circuit City?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>The bottom line is we don't know. I do know the more times I reply to

>>>>>>>the crap you post the dumber I know you actually are.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>It doesn't matter who uses or how many are on a shelf the fact is:

>>>>>>60 Million and counting.

>>>>>>http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Grow up and live with it.

>>>>>

>>>>>What happened to Frank's assertion that "billions" of people are using

>>>>>Vista? Another lie? Just because Dell, HP and the boys ordered 60

>>>>>million copies doesn't mean 60 million were sold to end users. Most are

>>>>>gathering dust in Dell, HP and the boys' warehouses.

>>>>>

>>>>>--

>>>>>Alias

>>>>>To email me, remove shoes

>>>>

>>>>And you proof is?

>>>

>>>The tons of ads I see in the newspapers with cheapo computers running

>>>Windows Basic and Windows Home Premium that are obviously not sold yet.

>>>

>>>--

>>>Alias

>>>To email me, remove shoes

>>

>>And your proof that these computer are NOT being sold by the thousands?

>

> I'm guessing you really have to work at it to be as big a moron as you

> seem to be.

Well, it come naturally and easy for you as we all have seem.

Your stupid words games don't fool anybody.

Nor do yours.

Nobody denies

> that Vista isn't selling, rather the stupid claim a BILLION copies are

> in use, have been sold or whatever the latest out of thin air claim

> the fanboy crowd makes, even the stupid 60,000,000 figure that's

> getting tossed out that has no basis other than the typical Microsoft

> marketing hype it is based on.

Are you trying to become a "fanboy" seeing as how you're so very

obsessed with that term?

>

> A far more accurate way to judge how well Vista is doing would be for

> Microsoft to release figures on how many people have activated. Then

> at least you know roughly how many units have been installed.

> Naturally there will be a 30 day lag, assuming most that do buy and

> install Vista will activate before Vista locks them out.

Read their quarterly financial report you failed back room accountant.

>

> Another way to look at how well Vista is doing would be for Microsoft

> to say how many people have returned their copy for a refund. Don't

> hold your breath waiting for either to happen.

I can assure you it would not show up on any graph or chart worth

looking at.

>

> Of course you clowns who spent most of your time seeing which of you

> can stick your head up Steve Ballmer ass the furthest, don't want to

> deal in reality.

No, your pointy head up your own fat hairy ass is much more telling.

so you just continue to scream and yell and come

> across as numbnuts.

We'll let you continue to prove just what a real fukkin idiot is all about.

Keep it up...the crowds getting larger by the day.

Frank

>

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Alias wrote:

> Vista User wrote:

>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fetn9u$1pj$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:festoa$mit$1@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:lsp2h3p4eiemeu98p8ohqbkqafo8in889j@4ax.com...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:19 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>>>>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:2el2h3p8imatmiom1gsrqo6r361um31h6e@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:10 -0400, "one hundred forty three

>>>>>>>>> thousandths" <0.143@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Is there some reason you spend so many hours looking for links

>>>>>>>>>> that backup

>>>>>>>>>> your anti-Vista propaganda?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It takes me seconds. I guess I know how to use Google and you

>>>>>>>>> don't.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Presenting FACTS isn't propaganda. That's what Frank and other

>>>>>>>>> fanboys

>>>>>>>>> do. I merely expose them when they do it.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Are you writing a novel?

>>>>>>>>>> Are you bored?

>>>>>>>>>> Are you in jail...but have connections that get you unlimited

>>>>>>>>>> access to a

>>>>>>>>>> computer?

>>>>>>>>>> Just say why !!

>>>>>>>>>> No need to say you just like smacking fanboi's around...I've

>>>>>>>>>> read that

>>>>>>>>>> one.

>>>>>>>>>> Really.

>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have such a vendetta against Vista?

>>>>>>>>>> It's really fascinating.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> If you really need to take frustrations out on inanimate

>>>>>>>>>> objects....

>>>>>>>>>> Buy a large Stuffed Rabbit.

>>>>>>>>>> Sit the rabbit in the corner, and yell, holler, and rant at it.

>>>>>>>>>> When the Stuffed Rabbit just sits there ignoring you.....punch

>>>>>>>>>> it in the

>>>>>>>>>> face !

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoyed your little rant. Feel better now?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Adam just can't accept the facts.

>>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting

>>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> After I stop laughing, I got to ask, you stupid enough to believe

>>>>>>> everything you read? I think you already answered.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You wouldn't know a fact from fiction if a fact jumps up and took a

>>>>>>> bite out of your dumb ass.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sales figures ESPECAILLY when the source is the company providing

>>>>>>> them

>>>>>>> themselves are always highly suspect.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> AFAIK Microsoft never releases more useful numbers like how many

>>>>>>> customers have activated their copy of Vista. That would at least

>>>>>>> indicate somebody actually has a copy of Vista on some PC, installed

>>>>>>> it, registered it and activated it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Gross sales figure can include all kinds of puffing. Does the 60

>>>>>>> million include units sold to box makers like Dell and Gateway? Does

>>>>>>> it include volume licenses deals, if so how are the figures tweaked?

>>>>>>> Does it include what's sitting in warehouses, on shelves at

>>>>>>> electronic

>>>>>>> stores like Fry's, CompuUSA, BestBuy, Circuit City?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The bottom line is we don't know. I do know the more times I

>>>>>>> reply to

>>>>>>> the crap you post the dumber I know you actually are.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It doesn't matter who uses or how many are on a shelf the fact is:

>>>>>> 60 Million and counting.

>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Grow up and live with it.

>>>>>

>>>>> What happened to Frank's assertion that "billions" of people are

>>>>> using Vista? Another lie? Just because Dell, HP and the boys

>>>>> ordered 60 million copies doesn't mean 60 million were sold to end

>>>>> users. Most are gathering dust in Dell, HP and the boys' warehouses.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>

>>>> And you proof is?

>>>

>>> The tons of ads I see in the newspapers with cheapo computers running

>>> Windows Basic and Windows Home Premium that are obviously not sold yet.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>> And your proof that these computer are NOT being sold by the thousands?

>

> I know that MS reported what it sold and that the lion's share of that

> sale went to big OEMs who haven't sold them all. This is mere common sense.

>

hahaha...you're an idiot and common sense is an oxymoron. Grow up...if

that's still possible.

Frank

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Vista User wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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>> Vista User wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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>>>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:lsp2h3p4eiemeu98p8ohqbkqafo8in889j@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:19 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>>>>>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:2el2h3p8imatmiom1gsrqo6r361um31h6e@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:10 -0400, "one hundred forty three

>>>>>>>>>> thousandths" <0.143@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Is there some reason you spend so many hours looking for

>>>>>>>>>>> links that backup

>>>>>>>>>>> your anti-Vista propaganda?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> It takes me seconds. I guess I know how to use Google and you

>>>>>>>>>> don't.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Presenting FACTS isn't propaganda. That's what Frank and other

>>>>>>>>>> fanboys

>>>>>>>>>> do. I merely expose them when they do it.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Are you writing a novel?

>>>>>>>>>>> Are you bored?

>>>>>>>>>>> Are you in jail...but have connections that get you unlimited

>>>>>>>>>>> access to a

>>>>>>>>>>> computer?

>>>>>>>>>>> Just say why !!

>>>>>>>>>>> No need to say you just like smacking fanboi's around...I've

>>>>>>>>>>> read that

>>>>>>>>>>> one.

>>>>>>>>>>> Really.

>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have such a vendetta against Vista?

>>>>>>>>>>> It's really fascinating.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> If you really need to take frustrations out on inanimate

>>>>>>>>>>> objects....

>>>>>>>>>>> Buy a large Stuffed Rabbit.

>>>>>>>>>>> Sit the rabbit in the corner, and yell, holler, and rant at it.

>>>>>>>>>>> When the Stuffed Rabbit just sits there ignoring

>>>>>>>>>>> you.....punch it in the

>>>>>>>>>>> face !

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoyed your little rant. Feel better now?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Adam just can't accept the facts.

>>>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting

>>>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> After I stop laughing, I got to ask, you stupid enough to believe

>>>>>>>> everything you read? I think you already answered.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You wouldn't know a fact from fiction if a fact jumps up and took a

>>>>>>>> bite out of your dumb ass.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sales figures ESPECAILLY when the source is the company

>>>>>>>> providing them

>>>>>>>> themselves are always highly suspect.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> AFAIK Microsoft never releases more useful numbers like how many

>>>>>>>> customers have activated their copy of Vista. That would at least

>>>>>>>> indicate somebody actually has a copy of Vista on some PC,

>>>>>>>> installed

>>>>>>>> it, registered it and activated it.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Gross sales figure can include all kinds of puffing. Does the 60

>>>>>>>> million include units sold to box makers like Dell and Gateway?

>>>>>>>> Does

>>>>>>>> it include volume licenses deals, if so how are the figures

>>>>>>>> tweaked?

>>>>>>>> Does it include what's sitting in warehouses, on shelves at

>>>>>>>> electronic

>>>>>>>> stores like Fry's, CompuUSA, BestBuy, Circuit City?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The bottom line is we don't know. I do know the more times I

>>>>>>>> reply to

>>>>>>>> the crap you post the dumber I know you actually are.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It doesn't matter who uses or how many are on a shelf the fact is:

>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting.

>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Grow up and live with it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> What happened to Frank's assertion that "billions" of people are

>>>>>> using Vista? Another lie? Just because Dell, HP and the boys

>>>>>> ordered 60 million copies doesn't mean 60 million were sold to end

>>>>>> users. Most are gathering dust in Dell, HP and the boys' warehouses.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>

>>>>> And you proof is?

>>>>

>>>> The tons of ads I see in the newspapers with cheapo computers

>>>> running Windows Basic and Windows Home Premium that are obviously

>>>> not sold yet.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>> And your proof that these computer are NOT being sold by the thousands?

>>

>> I know that MS reported what it sold and that the lion's share of that

>> sale went to big OEMs who haven't sold them all. This is mere common

>> sense.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

> If you knew anything at all about manufacturing you would realize no

> company would want millions of anything sitting on the shelf not earning

> money. Inventory always has a high turnover. Having inventory sitting on

> the shelf is lost revenue. It simply doesn't happen.

I thought we were talking about Vista, not hardware. OEMs buy licenses,

do they not? How much shelf space does a license occupy?

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Vista User wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fetn9u$1pj$1@aioe.org...

>>>

>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:festoa$mit$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:lsp2h3p4eiemeu98p8ohqbkqafo8in889j@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:19 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>>>>>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:2el2h3p8imatmiom1gsrqo6r361um31h6e@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:10 -0400, "one hundred forty three

>>>>>>>>>> thousandths" <0.143@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Is there some reason you spend so many hours looking for

>>>>>>>>>>> links that backup

>>>>>>>>>>> your anti-Vista propaganda?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> It takes me seconds. I guess I know how to use Google and you

>>>>>>>>>> don't.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Presenting FACTS isn't propaganda. That's what Frank and other

>>>>>>>>>> fanboys

>>>>>>>>>> do. I merely expose them when they do it.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Are you writing a novel?

>>>>>>>>>>> Are you bored?

>>>>>>>>>>> Are you in jail...but have connections that get you unlimited

>>>>>>>>>>> access to a

>>>>>>>>>>> computer?

>>>>>>>>>>> Just say why !!

>>>>>>>>>>> No need to say you just like smacking fanboi's around...I've

>>>>>>>>>>> read that

>>>>>>>>>>> one.

>>>>>>>>>>> Really.

>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have such a vendetta against Vista?

>>>>>>>>>>> It's really fascinating.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> If you really need to take frustrations out on inanimate

>>>>>>>>>>> objects....

>>>>>>>>>>> Buy a large Stuffed Rabbit.

>>>>>>>>>>> Sit the rabbit in the corner, and yell, holler, and rant at it.

>>>>>>>>>>> When the Stuffed Rabbit just sits there ignoring

>>>>>>>>>>> you.....punch it in the

>>>>>>>>>>> face !

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoyed your little rant. Feel better now?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Adam just can't accept the facts.

>>>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting

>>>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> After I stop laughing, I got to ask, you stupid enough to believe

>>>>>>>> everything you read? I think you already answered.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You wouldn't know a fact from fiction if a fact jumps up and took a

>>>>>>>> bite out of your dumb ass.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sales figures ESPECAILLY when the source is the company

>>>>>>>> providing them

>>>>>>>> themselves are always highly suspect.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> AFAIK Microsoft never releases more useful numbers like how many

>>>>>>>> customers have activated their copy of Vista. That would at least

>>>>>>>> indicate somebody actually has a copy of Vista on some PC,

>>>>>>>> installed

>>>>>>>> it, registered it and activated it.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Gross sales figure can include all kinds of puffing. Does the 60

>>>>>>>> million include units sold to box makers like Dell and Gateway?

>>>>>>>> Does

>>>>>>>> it include volume licenses deals, if so how are the figures

>>>>>>>> tweaked?

>>>>>>>> Does it include what's sitting in warehouses, on shelves at

>>>>>>>> electronic

>>>>>>>> stores like Fry's, CompuUSA, BestBuy, Circuit City?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The bottom line is we don't know. I do know the more times I

>>>>>>>> reply to

>>>>>>>> the crap you post the dumber I know you actually are.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It doesn't matter who uses or how many are on a shelf the fact is:

>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting.

>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Grow up and live with it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> What happened to Frank's assertion that "billions" of people are

>>>>>> using Vista? Another lie? Just because Dell, HP and the boys

>>>>>> ordered 60 million copies doesn't mean 60 million were sold to end

>>>>>> users. Most are gathering dust in Dell, HP and the boys' warehouses.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>

>>>>> And you proof is?

>>>>

>>>> The tons of ads I see in the newspapers with cheapo computers

>>>> running Windows Basic and Windows Home Premium that are obviously

>>>> not sold yet.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>> And your proof that these computer are NOT being sold by the thousands?

>>

>> I know that MS reported what it sold and that the lion's share of that

>> sale went to big OEMs who haven't sold them all. This is mere common

>> sense.

>>

>

> hahaha...you're an idiot and common sense is an oxymoron. Grow up...if

> that's still possible.

> Frank

Another insult and no reply to content from Vista General's resident

buffoon.

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Vista User wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:festoa$mit$1@aioe.org...

>>>

>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:lsp2h3p4eiemeu98p8ohqbkqafo8in889j@4ax.com...

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:19 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>>>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:2el2h3p8imatmiom1gsrqo6r361um31h6e@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:10 -0400, "one hundred forty three

>>>>>>>> thousandths" <0.143@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Is there some reason you spend so many hours looking for links

>>>>>>>>> that backup

>>>>>>>>> your anti-Vista propaganda?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> It takes me seconds. I guess I know how to use Google and you

>>>>>>>> don't.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Presenting FACTS isn't propaganda. That's what Frank and other

>>>>>>>> fanboys

>>>>>>>> do. I merely expose them when they do it.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Are you writing a novel?

>>>>>>>>> Are you bored?

>>>>>>>>> Are you in jail...but have connections that get you unlimited

>>>>>>>>> access to a

>>>>>>>>> computer?

>>>>>>>>> Just say why !!

>>>>>>>>> No need to say you just like smacking fanboi's around...I've

>>>>>>>>> read that

>>>>>>>>> one.

>>>>>>>>> Really.

>>>>>>>>> Why do you have such a vendetta against Vista?

>>>>>>>>> It's really fascinating.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> If you really need to take frustrations out on inanimate

>>>>>>>>> objects....

>>>>>>>>> Buy a large Stuffed Rabbit.

>>>>>>>>> Sit the rabbit in the corner, and yell, holler, and rant at it.

>>>>>>>>> When the Stuffed Rabbit just sits there ignoring you.....punch

>>>>>>>>> it in the

>>>>>>>>> face !

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoyed your little rant. Feel better now?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Adam just can't accept the facts.

>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting

>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> After I stop laughing, I got to ask, you stupid enough to believe

>>>>>> everything you read? I think you already answered.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You wouldn't know a fact from fiction if a fact jumps up and took a

>>>>>> bite out of your dumb ass.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sales figures ESPECAILLY when the source is the company providing

>>>>>> them

>>>>>> themselves are always highly suspect.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> AFAIK Microsoft never releases more useful numbers like how many

>>>>>> customers have activated their copy of Vista. That would at least

>>>>>> indicate somebody actually has a copy of Vista on some PC, installed

>>>>>> it, registered it and activated it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Gross sales figure can include all kinds of puffing. Does the 60

>>>>>> million include units sold to box makers like Dell and Gateway? Does

>>>>>> it include volume licenses deals, if so how are the figures tweaked?

>>>>>> Does it include what's sitting in warehouses, on shelves at

>>>>>> electronic

>>>>>> stores like Fry's, CompuUSA, BestBuy, Circuit City?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The bottom line is we don't know. I do know the more times I reply to

>>>>>> the crap you post the dumber I know you actually are.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> It doesn't matter who uses or how many are on a shelf the fact is:

>>>>> 60 Million and counting.

>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>

>>>>> Grow up and live with it.

>>>>

>>>> What happened to Frank's assertion that "billions" of people are

>>>> using Vista? Another lie? Just because Dell, HP and the boys ordered

>>>> 60 million copies doesn't mean 60 million were sold to end users.

>>>> Most are gathering dust in Dell, HP and the boys' warehouses.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>> And you proof is?

>>

>> The tons of ads I see in the newspapers with cheapo computers running

>> Windows Basic and Windows Home Premium that are obviously not sold yet.

>>

>

> So now you're a marketing expert (again?).

> I don't think so.

> Get a real life loser.

> Frank

Once again, Frank graces us with his politeness, class, maturity and

sophistication.

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Alias wrote:

> Vista User wrote:

>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:feua95$kj4$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fetn9u$1pj$1@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:festoa$mit$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:lsp2h3p4eiemeu98p8ohqbkqafo8in889j@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:19 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>>>>>>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:2el2h3p8imatmiom1gsrqo6r361um31h6e@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:10 -0400, "one hundred forty three

>>>>>>>>>>> thousandths" <0.143@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there some reason you spend so many hours looking for

>>>>>>>>>>>> links that backup

>>>>>>>>>>>> your anti-Vista propaganda?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> It takes me seconds. I guess I know how to use Google and you

>>>>>>>>>>> don't.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Presenting FACTS isn't propaganda. That's what Frank and

>>>>>>>>>>> other fanboys

>>>>>>>>>>> do. I merely expose them when they do it.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you writing a novel?

>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you bored?

>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you in jail...but have connections that get you

>>>>>>>>>>>> unlimited access to a

>>>>>>>>>>>> computer?

>>>>>>>>>>>> Just say why !!

>>>>>>>>>>>> No need to say you just like smacking fanboi's around...I've

>>>>>>>>>>>> read that

>>>>>>>>>>>> one.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Really.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have such a vendetta against Vista?

>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really fascinating.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> If you really need to take frustrations out on inanimate

>>>>>>>>>>>> objects....

>>>>>>>>>>>> Buy a large Stuffed Rabbit.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Sit the rabbit in the corner, and yell, holler, and rant at it.

>>>>>>>>>>>> When the Stuffed Rabbit just sits there ignoring

>>>>>>>>>>>> you.....punch it in the

>>>>>>>>>>>> face !

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoyed your little rant. Feel better now?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Adam just can't accept the facts.

>>>>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting

>>>>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> After I stop laughing, I got to ask, you stupid enough to believe

>>>>>>>>> everything you read? I think you already answered.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't know a fact from fiction if a fact jumps up and

>>>>>>>>> took a

>>>>>>>>> bite out of your dumb ass.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Sales figures ESPECAILLY when the source is the company

>>>>>>>>> providing them

>>>>>>>>> themselves are always highly suspect.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> AFAIK Microsoft never releases more useful numbers like how many

>>>>>>>>> customers have activated their copy of Vista. That would at least

>>>>>>>>> indicate somebody actually has a copy of Vista on some PC,

>>>>>>>>> installed

>>>>>>>>> it, registered it and activated it.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Gross sales figure can include all kinds of puffing. Does the 60

>>>>>>>>> million include units sold to box makers like Dell and Gateway?

>>>>>>>>> Does

>>>>>>>>> it include volume licenses deals, if so how are the figures

>>>>>>>>> tweaked?

>>>>>>>>> Does it include what's sitting in warehouses, on shelves at

>>>>>>>>> electronic

>>>>>>>>> stores like Fry's, CompuUSA, BestBuy, Circuit City?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The bottom line is we don't know. I do know the more times I

>>>>>>>>> reply to

>>>>>>>>> the crap you post the dumber I know you actually are.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter who uses or how many are on a shelf the fact is:

>>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting.

>>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Grow up and live with it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What happened to Frank's assertion that "billions" of people are

>>>>>>> using Vista? Another lie? Just because Dell, HP and the boys

>>>>>>> ordered 60 million copies doesn't mean 60 million were sold to

>>>>>>> end users. Most are gathering dust in Dell, HP and the boys'

>>>>>>> warehouses.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>

>>>>>> And you proof is?

>>>>>

>>>>> The tons of ads I see in the newspapers with cheapo computers

>>>>> running Windows Basic and Windows Home Premium that are obviously

>>>>> not sold yet.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>

>>>> And your proof that these computer are NOT being sold by the thousands?

>>>

>>> I know that MS reported what it sold and that the lion's share of

>>> that sale went to big OEMs who haven't sold them all. This is mere

>>> common sense.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>> If you knew anything at all about manufacturing you would realize no

>> company would want millions of anything sitting on the shelf not

>> earning money. Inventory always has a high turnover. Having inventory

>> sitting on the shelf is lost revenue. It simply doesn't happen.

>

> I thought we were talking about Vista, not hardware. OEMs buy licenses,

> do they not? How much shelf space does a license occupy?

>

They pay by usage, that's means installed...on hardware.

Frank

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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:59:26 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>hahaha...you're an idiot and common sense is an oxymoron. Grow up...if

>that's still possible.

>Frank

Don't talk Frank. You're one of the fanboy Allstars. You, Dennis and

Vista User are so damn dumb about everything, collectively you fools

would have to hire a tutor to understand what 'See Spot run' means.

You all are confirmed idiots that get everything backwards and there

is growing evidence you don't do it deliberately. You fools are just

plain stupid. I should call Jay Leno up and see if he wants to book

you three morons to play a round of Jaywalk Allstars on the Tonight

show. I mean, you three loons are this newsgroup's best kept secret.

That seems unfair. The rest of the country should see the new Three

Stooges.

http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/video/#mea=161313

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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:14:26 -0700, "Vista User"

<VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>Anything other then the official numbers release are just conjecture on your

>part and have no bases in fact.

>You just make up the numbers as you go. I at least site actual numbers and

>don't pull them out of my ass like you.

That dark damp place is also where you should pull your head out of.

Just so you know, you have completely discredited yourself by clinging

to your cite as factual. You truly are another fanboy idiot.

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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:15:34 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>> Vista User wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:feua95$kj4$1@aioe.org...

>>>

>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fetn9u$1pj$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:festoa$mit$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:lsp2h3p4eiemeu98p8ohqbkqafo8in889j@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:19 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>>>>>>>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>> news:2el2h3p8imatmiom1gsrqo6r361um31h6e@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:10 -0400, "one hundred forty three

>>>>>>>>>>>> thousandths" <0.143@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there some reason you spend so many hours looking for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> links that backup

>>>>>>>>>>>>> your anti-Vista propaganda?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes me seconds. I guess I know how to use Google and you

>>>>>>>>>>>> don't.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Presenting FACTS isn't propaganda. That's what Frank and

>>>>>>>>>>>> other fanboys

>>>>>>>>>>>> do. I merely expose them when they do it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you writing a novel?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you bored?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you in jail...but have connections that get you

>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlimited access to a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just say why !!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> No need to say you just like smacking fanboi's around...I've

>>>>>>>>>>>>> read that

>>>>>>>>>>>>> one.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have such a vendetta against Vista?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really fascinating.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you really need to take frustrations out on inanimate

>>>>>>>>>>>>> objects....

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buy a large Stuffed Rabbit.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sit the rabbit in the corner, and yell, holler, and rant at it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the Stuffed Rabbit just sits there ignoring

>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.....punch it in the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> face !

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoyed your little rant. Feel better now?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Adam just can't accept the facts.

>>>>>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting

>>>>>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> After I stop laughing, I got to ask, you stupid enough to believe

>>>>>>>>>> everything you read? I think you already answered.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't know a fact from fiction if a fact jumps up and

>>>>>>>>>> took a

>>>>>>>>>> bite out of your dumb ass.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Sales figures ESPECAILLY when the source is the company

>>>>>>>>>> providing them

>>>>>>>>>> themselves are always highly suspect.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> AFAIK Microsoft never releases more useful numbers like how many

>>>>>>>>>> customers have activated their copy of Vista. That would at least

>>>>>>>>>> indicate somebody actually has a copy of Vista on some PC,

>>>>>>>>>> installed

>>>>>>>>>> it, registered it and activated it.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Gross sales figure can include all kinds of puffing. Does the 60

>>>>>>>>>> million include units sold to box makers like Dell and Gateway?

>>>>>>>>>> Does

>>>>>>>>>> it include volume licenses deals, if so how are the figures

>>>>>>>>>> tweaked?

>>>>>>>>>> Does it include what's sitting in warehouses, on shelves at

>>>>>>>>>> electronic

>>>>>>>>>> stores like Fry's, CompuUSA, BestBuy, Circuit City?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The bottom line is we don't know. I do know the more times I

>>>>>>>>>> reply to

>>>>>>>>>> the crap you post the dumber I know you actually are.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter who uses or how many are on a shelf the fact is:

>>>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting.

>>>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Grow up and live with it.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> What happened to Frank's assertion that "billions" of people are

>>>>>>>> using Vista? Another lie? Just because Dell, HP and the boys

>>>>>>>> ordered 60 million copies doesn't mean 60 million were sold to

>>>>>>>> end users. Most are gathering dust in Dell, HP and the boys'

>>>>>>>> warehouses.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> And you proof is?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The tons of ads I see in the newspapers with cheapo computers

>>>>>> running Windows Basic and Windows Home Premium that are obviously

>>>>>> not sold yet.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>

>>>>> And your proof that these computer are NOT being sold by the thousands?

>>>>

>>>> I know that MS reported what it sold and that the lion's share of

>>>> that sale went to big OEMs who haven't sold them all. This is mere

>>>> common sense.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>> If you knew anything at all about manufacturing you would realize no

>>> company would want millions of anything sitting on the shelf not

>>> earning money. Inventory always has a high turnover. Having inventory

>>> sitting on the shelf is lost revenue. It simply doesn't happen.

>>

>> I thought we were talking about Vista, not hardware. OEMs buy licenses,

>> do they not? How much shelf space does a license occupy?

>>

>

>They pay by usage, that's means installed...on hardware.

>Frank

You simply are incapable of not showing your stupidity on every topic.

Define "installed" so we can get some idea of the depths of your

stupidity on this topic.

What does the boy genius Frank think box makers like Dell do when they

"install" Vista on a new computer?

a. Once the computer is assembled some dope reaches into a big carton

pulling out a Vista package then pulls the little red tape, takes

out the disc and begins to install Vista.

b. Once the computer is assembled some dope chants the Microsoft

loyalty pledge while facing Redmond, then sprinkles fairy dust

over the newly built computer and like magic Vista is installed.

c. Some dope squats in a dark corner and a brand new, but messy

Vista disc pops out his rear end, after it gets cleaned up it

is used to install Vista.

d. The whole process takes under a minute and some master copy of

Vista is simply download off some server.

Something else?

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Vista User wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:feua95$kj4$1@aioe.org...

>>>

>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fetn9u$1pj$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:festoa$mit$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:lsp2h3p4eiemeu98p8ohqbkqafo8in889j@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:19 -0700, "Vista User"

>>>>>>>>>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>> news:2el2h3p8imatmiom1gsrqo6r361um31h6e@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:09:10 -0400, "one hundred forty three

>>>>>>>>>>>> thousandths" <0.143@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there some reason you spend so many hours looking for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> links that backup

>>>>>>>>>>>>> your anti-Vista propaganda?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes me seconds. I guess I know how to use Google and

>>>>>>>>>>>> you don't.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Presenting FACTS isn't propaganda. That's what Frank and

>>>>>>>>>>>> other fanboys

>>>>>>>>>>>> do. I merely expose them when they do it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you writing a novel?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you bored?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you in jail...but have connections that get you

>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlimited access to a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just say why !!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> No need to say you just like smacking fanboi's

>>>>>>>>>>>>> around...I've read that

>>>>>>>>>>>>> one.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you have such a vendetta against Vista?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really fascinating.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you really need to take frustrations out on inanimate

>>>>>>>>>>>>> objects....

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buy a large Stuffed Rabbit.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sit the rabbit in the corner, and yell, holler, and rant at

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the Stuffed Rabbit just sits there ignoring

>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.....punch it in the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> face !

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoyed your little rant. Feel better now?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Adam just can't accept the facts.

>>>>>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting

>>>>>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> After I stop laughing, I got to ask, you stupid enough to believe

>>>>>>>>>> everything you read? I think you already answered.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You wouldn't know a fact from fiction if a fact jumps up and

>>>>>>>>>> took a

>>>>>>>>>> bite out of your dumb ass.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Sales figures ESPECAILLY when the source is the company

>>>>>>>>>> providing them

>>>>>>>>>> themselves are always highly suspect.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> AFAIK Microsoft never releases more useful numbers like how many

>>>>>>>>>> customers have activated their copy of Vista. That would at least

>>>>>>>>>> indicate somebody actually has a copy of Vista on some PC,

>>>>>>>>>> installed

>>>>>>>>>> it, registered it and activated it.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Gross sales figure can include all kinds of puffing. Does the 60

>>>>>>>>>> million include units sold to box makers like Dell and

>>>>>>>>>> Gateway? Does

>>>>>>>>>> it include volume licenses deals, if so how are the figures

>>>>>>>>>> tweaked?

>>>>>>>>>> Does it include what's sitting in warehouses, on shelves at

>>>>>>>>>> electronic

>>>>>>>>>> stores like Fry's, CompuUSA, BestBuy, Circuit City?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The bottom line is we don't know. I do know the more times I

>>>>>>>>>> reply to

>>>>>>>>>> the crap you post the dumber I know you actually are.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter who uses or how many are on a shelf the fact is:

>>>>>>>>> 60 Million and counting.

>>>>>>>>> http://cybernetnews.com/2007/07/26/60-million-copies-of-windows-vista-sold/

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Grow up and live with it.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> What happened to Frank's assertion that "billions" of people are

>>>>>>>> using Vista? Another lie? Just because Dell, HP and the boys

>>>>>>>> ordered 60 million copies doesn't mean 60 million were sold to

>>>>>>>> end users. Most are gathering dust in Dell, HP and the boys'

>>>>>>>> warehouses.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> And you proof is?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The tons of ads I see in the newspapers with cheapo computers

>>>>>> running Windows Basic and Windows Home Premium that are obviously

>>>>>> not sold yet.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>

>>>>> And your proof that these computer are NOT being sold by the

>>>>> thousands?

>>>>

>>>> I know that MS reported what it sold and that the lion's share of

>>>> that sale went to big OEMs who haven't sold them all. This is mere

>>>> common sense.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>> If you knew anything at all about manufacturing you would realize no

>>> company would want millions of anything sitting on the shelf not

>>> earning money. Inventory always has a high turnover. Having inventory

>>> sitting on the shelf is lost revenue. It simply doesn't happen.

>>

>> I thought we were talking about Vista, not hardware. OEMs buy

>> licenses, do they not? How much shelf space does a license occupy?

>>

>

> They pay by usage, that's means installed...on hardware.

> Frank

"that's means"? Proof please because, frankly, I don't believe anything

you say, being as you lie so much.

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> You simply are incapable of not showing your stupidity on every topic.

> Define "installed" so we can get some idea of the depths of your

> stupidity on this topic.

>

> What does the boy genius Frank think box makers like Dell do when they

> "install" Vista on a new computer?

>

> a. Once the computer is assembled some dope reaches into a big carton

> pulling out a Vista package then pulls the little red tape, takes

> out the disc and begins to install Vista.

>

> b. Once the computer is assembled some dope chants the Microsoft

> loyalty pledge while facing Redmond, then sprinkles fairy dust

> over the newly built computer and like magic Vista is installed.

>

> c. Some dope squats in a dark corner and a brand new, but messy

> Vista disc pops out his rear end, after it gets cleaned up it

> is used to install Vista.

>

> d. The whole process takes under a minute and some master copy of

> Vista is simply download off some server.

>

> Something else?

Something else.. like e: buying hardisks with the image already installed.

Why do it yourself when the manufacturers will do it for you?

But then you have such limited experience of computers you probably don't

know this option exists.

>

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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:09:00 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:ogu6h3p2bn0s4gdvgo3cehjdecpgmgnbr1@4ax.com...

>

>> You simply are incapable of not showing your stupidity on every topic.

>> Define "installed" so we can get some idea of the depths of your

>> stupidity on this topic.

>>

>> What does the boy genius Frank think box makers like Dell do when they

>> "install" Vista on a new computer?

>>

>> a. Once the computer is assembled some dope reaches into a big carton

>> pulling out a Vista package then pulls the little red tape, takes

>> out the disc and begins to install Vista.

>>

>> b. Once the computer is assembled some dope chants the Microsoft

>> loyalty pledge while facing Redmond, then sprinkles fairy dust

>> over the newly built computer and like magic Vista is installed.

>>

>> c. Some dope squats in a dark corner and a brand new, but messy

>> Vista disc pops out his rear end, after it gets cleaned up it

>> is used to install Vista.

>>

>> d. The whole process takes under a minute and some master copy of

>> Vista is simply download off some server.

>>

>> Something else?

>

>Something else.. like e: buying hardisks with the image already installed.

>Why do it yourself when the manufacturers will do it for you?

>But then you have such limited experience of computers you probably don't

>know this option exists.

I can buy and sell fanboy fools like you in my sleep. Who you trying

to fool?

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> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:14:26 -0700, "Vista User"

> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>

>>Anything other then the official numbers release are just conjecture on

>>your

>>part and have no bases in fact.

>>You just make up the numbers as you go. I at least site actual numbers and

>>don't pull them out of my ass like you.

>

> That dark damp place is also where you should pull your head out of.

>

> Just so you know, you have completely discredited yourself by clinging

> to your cite as factual. You truly are another fanboy idiot.

>

I base my information on facts. You base your information on hot air, and

conjecture.

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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:28:45 -0700, "Vista User"

<VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:vtt6h311maunbqrsbe2oj9cfq089u2a45b@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:14:26 -0700, "Vista User"

>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>

>>>Anything other then the official numbers release are just conjecture on

>>>your

>>>part and have no bases in fact.

>>>You just make up the numbers as you go. I at least site actual numbers and

>>>don't pull them out of my ass like you.

>>

>> That dark damp place is also where you should pull your head out of.

>>

>> Just so you know, you have completely discredited yourself by clinging

>> to your cite as factual. You truly are another fanboy idiot.

>>

>

>I base my information on facts. You base your information on hot air, and

>conjecture.

What you call facts in this case are also known as puffing.

Puffing is exaggerated or superlative comments or opinions often made

by companies usually the sales division. It is recognized in law as

just an OPINION and not necessarily representing facts.

Example: Sales are lagging, all of a sudden the product now has a new

and improved sticker on. Sales often go up. The product may have had

no material change at all. However Rubes like you will buy it thinking

it is now better.

Real world example I have personal experience with. My first job way

back in the mid 60's was with a major liquor company. They had many

brands you would know. Whine was catching on as a fad to cook with. A

common variety many recipes called for was Sherry. People didn't know

that. So what did our company do? They came up with a new label,

called it 'Cooking Sherry' and sales overnight shot up 20%. The whine

in the bottle was the same old regular Sherry. Duh!

Now PAY ATTENTION! The sales number you cite as "fact" do not say WHO

the sales are to. We do know it is a FACT that Microsoft sells Vista

both in the retail channel and to partners, ie the box makers. If you

knew anything at all about business which you obviously don't, vendors

like BestBuy, Circuit City, Fry's, buy in bulk. It is probably also

true that they get a discount if they buy in larger quanties.

So when Microsoft claims it has sales of 60M copies of Vista that no

doubt includes a sizeable number to vendors like I mentioned and the

sales are to vendors not just in this country, but world wide.

I won't pretend to know how much is in the pipeline or how much is in

warehouses or sitting on store shelves. I'll wager a sizeable amount.

Now when somebody like Steve Ballmer puffs out his chest as say oh, we

sold $60M copies of Vista he's really PUFFING or exaggerating since

these "sales" as yet have not translated into people actually BUYING a

copy of Vista, taking it home, installing it and activating it. Those

figures Microsoft will NEVER tell you. Now you and fellow Rubes have a

better understanding of what that claimed 60M copies "sold" really

means.

If you want to be foolish, go on pretending it means something

different than it really does if it makes you feel better. I'll just

go on laughing how ignorant the typical fanboy actually is.

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:28:45 -0700, "Vista User"

> <VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:vtt6h311maunbqrsbe2oj9cfq089u2a45b@4ax.com...

>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:14:26 -0700, "Vista User"

>>> <VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>>Anything other then the official numbers release are just conjecture on

>>>>your

>>>>part and have no bases in fact.

>>>>You just make up the numbers as you go. I at least site actual numbers

>>>>and

>>>>don't pull them out of my ass like you.

>>>

>>> That dark damp place is also where you should pull your head out of.

>>>

>>> Just so you know, you have completely discredited yourself by clinging

>>> to your cite as factual. You truly are another fanboy idiot.

>>>

>>

>>I base my information on facts. You base your information on hot air, and

>>conjecture.

>

> What you call facts in this case are also known as puffing.

>

> Puffing is exaggerated or superlative comments or opinions often made

> by companies usually the sales division. It is recognized in law as

> just an OPINION and not necessarily representing facts.

>

> Example: Sales are lagging, all of a sudden the product now has a new

> and improved sticker on. Sales often go up. The product may have had

> no material change at all. However Rubes like you will buy it thinking

> it is now better.

>

> Real world example I have personal experience with. My first job way

> back in the mid 60's was with a major liquor company. They had many

> brands you would know. Whine was catching on as a fad to cook with. A

> common variety many recipes called for was Sherry. People didn't know

> that. So what did our company do? They came up with a new label,

> called it 'Cooking Sherry' and sales overnight shot up 20%. The whine

> in the bottle was the same old regular Sherry. Duh!

>

> Now PAY ATTENTION! The sales number you cite as "fact" do not say WHO

> the sales are to. We do know it is a FACT that Microsoft sells Vista

> both in the retail channel and to partners, ie the box makers. If you

> knew anything at all about business which you obviously don't, vendors

> like BestBuy, Circuit City, Fry's, buy in bulk. It is probably also

> true that they get a discount if they buy in larger quanties.

>

> So when Microsoft claims it has sales of 60M copies of Vista that no

> doubt includes a sizeable number to vendors like I mentioned and the

> sales are to vendors not just in this country, but world wide.

>

> I won't pretend to know how much is in the pipeline or how much is in

> warehouses or sitting on store shelves. I'll wager a sizeable amount.

> Now when somebody like Steve Ballmer puffs out his chest as say oh, we

> sold $60M copies of Vista he's really PUFFING or exaggerating since

> these "sales" as yet have not translated into people actually BUYING a

> copy of Vista, taking it home, installing it and activating it. Those

> figures Microsoft will NEVER tell you. Now you and fellow Rubes have a

> better understanding of what that claimed 60M copies "sold" really

> means.

>

> If you want to be foolish, go on pretending it means something

> different than it really does if it makes you feel better. I'll just

> go on laughing how ignorant the typical fanboy actually is.

>

In case your reading comprehension problem is affecting your brain again you

will notice I have never said how many are in the pipeline or on a shelf or

in use. You keep insisting the 60 Million sold equals the number in use. I

have only pointed out to your little pointy head of yours how many have been

sold and I have enjoyed watching your squirm and stutter trying to make it

into something it isn't. So jump around some more your rants just show how

crazy you really are.

Oh by the way dumb ass "Whine was catching on as a fad to cook with" its

WINE not WHINE. Whine is what you do the most of.

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:28:45 -0700, "Vista User"

> <VistaRules@NoSpam.net> wrote:

>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:vtt6h311maunbqrsbe2oj9cfq089u2a45b@4ax.com...

>>

>>>On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:14:26 -0700, "Vista User"

>>><VistaUser@nospam.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>>Anything other then the official numbers release are just conjecture on

>>>>your

>>>>part and have no bases in fact.

>>>>You just make up the numbers as you go. I at least site actual numbers and

>>>>don't pull them out of my ass like you.

>>>

>>>That dark damp place is also where you should pull your head out of.

>>>

>>>Just so you know, you have completely discredited yourself by clinging

>>>to your cite as factual. You truly are another fanboy idiot.