i dont know why any one would use that sp2 and go for all those updates..i

did not use it and i did not go for any updates..not one..why mess with

something that is not broken..why bloat it up...

 

"wheelman" wrote:

> it looks like you didnt read anything i wrote..i guess its your shift to

> monitor us and the site..

> i build my own computers..it is ready for anything..except something like

> this vista

> i have been useing win xp for years..i install it and i dont have to go for

> updates..never have and never will

>

> why get updates.for something that works perfect..out of the box..if it does

> not do that for you

> maybe you should of checked with some one..that new computers and could of

> helped you..get your computer right

> before you installed xp

> there are plenty of people here that would of advised you and gave you help..

> it sounded like you didnt know what you were doing..if you had all of those

> problems with xp and i had none..

> being this vista is so bad

> sure it gave me a lot of grief...i had to install it two times and do the

> register,,the stupid thing..because microsoft had there site problems

> i had a few more problems,i figured them all out on my own

> no one here was smart enough to help

> not the boys at microsoft either...they didnt even know

> so suport is not so much suport..

> if this os,,had not been so flawed,,i wouldnt of had to walk away from it

> when i bought..i seen how messed up it was out of the box

> and just walked away from it

> then when i had time..to put into it i reinstalled it and started

> going though all the grief,,untill i got it all..strightened out

> so far now its working ok...it was a lot of hard work...

> i stuck with it..and with no help from any one..

> i got it done..

> it took five years for them to make something like this

> any other company,,a product like this,would of sunk the company

> they would of had to close there doors..

> i hope every one else on here,,gets there computer ,with vista on it stright

> one thing for sure,you cant get your money back past 45 days,,i asked

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:

>

> > Wheelman

> >

> > It is a complete OS but will not work for every person and machine

> > combination, just as XP did not.

> >

> > Before upgrading, one has to assess the capability of the the target

> > computer, and also determine whether the cost of the upgrade is really

> > necessary for the work done on the computer. One also has to be ready for

> > changes and be the type of person who accommodates change easily.

> >

> > You were ill-prepared on all counts, just following a desire to have the

> > latest OS on your computer. You gotten it wrong of course, hence your

> > dialogue, and now you want to blame MS and Vista for your woes.

> >

> > You would have had exactly the same issues had you been upgrading to XP on a

> > lowish end, aging Win 98 computer.

> >

> > As for the response you received when first coming here, that was determined

> > by your general attitude. Many who come here ask nicely. They do their best

> > to explain problems encountered, and the response they get back is positive.

> > Nobody here gets paid to support Vista or to take generalized or personal

> > insults.

> >

> > XP SP2 has been around for a while now, and over time has collected support

> > from software and hardware manufacturers. It does work out of the box for

> > those people who have XP compatible hardware and software, but I could

> > produce a computer used by one of my clients still that does not have a hope

> > in hell of ever running XP, and were you the owner of that computer, you

> > would be saying stuff about XP just as you have with Vista, and none of it

> > would be good. You might want to visit the XP newsgroups where you will see

> > that installing and running XP is not plain sailing for all as you have

> > suggested it is.

> >

> > Incidentally, a fresh install of XP SP2 still brings with it over 80 updates

> > necessary after installation.

> >

> > Vista works for many people/computer combinations, therefore it can't be all

> > bad. That is not to say that Vista does not have issues. This newsgroup

> > would not exist if it didn't. Not all of Vista's issues will affect all

> > people. Some of Vista's issues are down to a lack or unwillingness by 3rd

> > party manufacturers to give Vista support their product lines. In almost all

> > cases, this is because the 3rd party manufacturer wants to sell new stuff,

> > and in fact needs to sell new stuff in order to stay alive.

> >

> > Had you sought decent help in the initial stages of having Vista, you could

> > have quickly determined that Vista was not for you, and would have undoubted

> > been given advice to return the product. I am not sure what course you

> > actually took, but it obviously didn't work for you.

> >

> > At this point, returning it is probably out of the question, so your options

> > are limited. You could try selling it and recouping some of your losses, or

> > you could try asking nicely for help. MVPs and many others are here to help

> > and to learn themselves. The choice is yours, but I have to say that

> > continued ranting and raving will not get your money back or garner

> > anybody's best wishes here.

> >

> >

> > "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:FA606199-6571-4E98-9BE8-F541A2205714@microsoft.com...

> > >i would of returned this os in a heart beat,if i had of known they would of

> > > took it back and i could of got my 240.00 back,,when they emailed me about

> > > it,,i had been trying to get ti to work and had it four months..i didnt

> > > know

> > > about the 45 day thing..i didnt think any one took opened software back...

> > >

> > > when i watched bill gates being interviewed..for over 30 minutes,,he didnt

> > > say one thing about vista haveing all of these problems and that it

> > > has..bugs

> > > or what ever,,he didnt say one time,that it was messed up and it would

> > > have

> > > to go for a lot of updates and service packs to get it fixed and working..

> > >

> > > he knew,,that this operateing system was..not whole..he knew it was not a

> > > finished product..and whats on the box,,,it says windows vista home

> > > premium..wouldnt you take that..as saying..there is a complete os in this

> > > package..it does not say..on the front any where,that this os is not

> > > complete

> > > and it will have to go for updates

> > >

> > > and fixes,,so it will work corresctly..this is no where on the package,no

> > > where on the front does it say,,we will return your money if

> > > returned..within

> > > 45 days..i even read the back..its not on there..

> > >

> > > it took me a long time to get this working,a lot of grief..i had never

> > > went

> > > though anything like this..this was just crazy..

> > > i down load win xp..no problems at all..dont even have to go for any

> > > updates..it works,right first time every time..

> > >

> > > its a self contained os..needs nothing..ok shoot me..i beleived all of

> > > bills

> > > hype...

> > >

> > > i thought it was going to be the bomb and it was going to be better then

> > > xp..its diffently not.so shoot me..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "Kevin Young" wrote:

> > >

> > >> MVP's are simply people that MS gave a title to as they spend a great

> > >> deal of time in these forums helping others. As normal people, just

> > >> like the rest of us, I'm sure they have good days and bad. I know I've

> > >> been guilty of posting the odd rant when I've been frustrated by Vista

> > >> and I'm sure as an MVP reading rants day in and day out can try ones

> > >> patience. I don't think it is productive to label all MVP's as a

> > >> certain type no different than it is to label all would be trolls as a

> > >> certain type. Both are just folks with a strong preference either for

> > >> or against Vista. We likely all need to put Vista in perspective at

> > >> times, it is just a freaking operating system.

> > >>

> > >> I've been running Vista since the Beta 2 days in addition to running XP

> > >> Pro and MCE. I've also been running Ubuntu, SLED 10, PCLinux2007 and

> > >> Linspire. While there are things I like in Linux there are others I

> > >> prefer about Vista. While I have only played around on a MAC, I suspect

> > >> there are pros and cons to them as well. My point is there isn't a

> > >> perfect operating system out there, each have positive and negative

> > >> aspects. Just like other things though people have personal

> > >> preferences. Why we tend to evangelize one operating system over

> > >> another is likely to defend our own choice.

> > >>

> > >> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > >> news:BDF5B28B-0667-4C38-916A-30A261E5DF63@microsoft.com:

> > >>

> > >> > you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

> > >> > negitive

> > >> > about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some useing

> > >> > four

> > >> > letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont

> > >> > beleive you

> > >> > guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some are

> > >> > geting

> > >> > paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here and do

> > >> > damage

> > >> > control

> > >> >

> > >> > "SX" wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > > Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about

> > >> > > problems I

> > >> > > might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I

> > >> > > an

> > >> > > expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my

> > >> > > laptop is IE

> > >> > > freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not

> > >> > > too bad

> > >> > > in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my

> > >> > > wife's

> > >> > > laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to

> > >> > > Ultimate

> > >> > > myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad

> > >> > > slower than

> > >> > > hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

> > >> > > I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

> > >> > > answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with

> > >> > > that

> > >> > > attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are

> > >> > > exceptional at

> > >> > > being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other

> > >> > > posters,

> > >> > > Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some

> > >> > > helpful

> > >> > > informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista,

> > >> > > it's

> > >> > > simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of

> > >> > > you

> > >> > > expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant,

> > >> > > rave and

> > >> > > cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to

> > >> > > fire

> > >> > > the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be

> > >> > > more than

> > >> > > 13.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > --

> > >> > > SX

> > >>

> > >>

> >

> >

fourteen wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fenqa2$25f$8@aioe.org...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>>>

>>>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly

>>>> being improved every six months, not every seven years.

>>>

>>> Illogical.

>>> Stable and changed every six months do not go together especially for

>>> a complex piece of software.

>>> If you want stable don't use an OS that frequently adds new features

>>> just to impress users with bells and whistles.

>>

>> I started with Ubuntu 6.06 and it was great. I upgraded to 7.04 and it

>> was even better. 7.10 will continue the improvement so you were saying?

>>

>> MS had six years to improve XP and flopped. The only reasons for using

>> Windows nowadays is for gaming and programs like AutoCad that only

>> work with Windows.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

>

> Why ubuntu 6.06, 7.04, 7.10. ?

> Are they just adding larger numbers for the heck of it?

 

They're dates, June 6, April 7 and October 7.

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:fenr91$60o$3@aioe.org...

> fourteen wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fenqa2$25f$8@aioe.org...

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

>>>>> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>>>>

>>>> Illogical.

>>>> Stable and changed every six months do not go together especially for a

>>>> complex piece of software.

>>>> If you want stable don't use an OS that frequently adds new features

>>>> just to impress users with bells and whistles.

>>>

>>> I started with Ubuntu 6.06 and it was great. I upgraded to 7.04 and it

>>> was even better. 7.10 will continue the improvement so you were saying?

>>>

>>> MS had six years to improve XP and flopped. The only reasons for using

>>> Windows nowadays is for gaming and programs like AutoCad that only work

>>> with Windows.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>>

>> Why ubuntu 6.06, 7.04, 7.10. ?

>> Are they just adding larger numbers for the heck of it?

>

> They're dates, June 6, April 7 and October 7.

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

 

 

So the date you download it is the version you have ?

I do not monitor anything. No MVP monitors anything, but we do have memories

and remember what is said to us, and the manner in which it is delivered.

 

There are few if any in here who would agree with your policy of no XP

updates at all. I apologies for trying to help you, and will take no further

part in any discussion with you.

 

 

"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:7B3BBFB0-9EA4-4BC8-8473-D34310C02FBE@microsoft.com...

>i dont know why any one would use that sp2 and go for all those updates..i

> did not use it and i did not go for any updates..not one..why mess with

> something that is not broken..why bloat it up...

>

> "wheelman" wrote:

>

>> it looks like you didnt read anything i wrote..i guess its your shift to

>> monitor us and the site..

>> i build my own computers..it is ready for anything..except something like

>> this vista

>> i have been useing win xp for years..i install it and i dont have to go

>> for

>> updates..never have and never will

>>

>> why get updates.for something that works perfect..out of the box..if it

>> does

>> not do that for you

>> maybe you should of checked with some one..that new computers and could

>> of

>> helped you..get your computer right

>> before you installed xp

>> there are plenty of people here that would of advised you and gave you

>> help..

>> it sounded like you didnt know what you were doing..if you had all of

>> those

>> problems with xp and i had none..

>> being this vista is so bad

>> sure it gave me a lot of grief...i had to install it two times and do the

>> register,,the stupid thing..because microsoft had there site problems

>> i had a few more problems,i figured them all out on my own

>> no one here was smart enough to help

>> not the boys at microsoft either...they didnt even know

>> so suport is not so much suport..

>> if this os,,had not been so flawed,,i wouldnt of had to walk away from it

>> when i bought..i seen how messed up it was out of the box

>> and just walked away from it

>> then when i had time..to put into it i reinstalled it and started

>> going though all the grief,,untill i got it all..strightened out

>> so far now its working ok...it was a lot of hard work...

>> i stuck with it..and with no help from any one..

>> i got it done..

>> it took five years for them to make something like this

>> any other company,,a product like this,would of sunk the company

>> they would of had to close there doors..

>> i hope every one else on here,,gets there computer ,with vista on it

>> stright

>> one thing for sure,you cant get your money back past 45 days,,i asked

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:

>>

>> > Wheelman

>> >

>> > It is a complete OS but will not work for every person and machine

>> > combination, just as XP did not.

>> >

>> > Before upgrading, one has to assess the capability of the the target

>> > computer, and also determine whether the cost of the upgrade is really

>> > necessary for the work done on the computer. One also has to be ready

>> > for

>> > changes and be the type of person who accommodates change easily.

>> >

>> > You were ill-prepared on all counts, just following a desire to have

>> > the

>> > latest OS on your computer. You gotten it wrong of course, hence your

>> > dialogue, and now you want to blame MS and Vista for your woes.

>> >

>> > You would have had exactly the same issues had you been upgrading to XP

>> > on a

>> > lowish end, aging Win 98 computer.

>> >

>> > As for the response you received when first coming here, that was

>> > determined

>> > by your general attitude. Many who come here ask nicely. They do their

>> > best

>> > to explain problems encountered, and the response they get back is

>> > positive.

>> > Nobody here gets paid to support Vista or to take generalized or

>> > personal

>> > insults.

>> >

>> > XP SP2 has been around for a while now, and over time has collected

>> > support

>> > from software and hardware manufacturers. It does work out of the box

>> > for

>> > those people who have XP compatible hardware and software, but I could

>> > produce a computer used by one of my clients still that does not have a

>> > hope

>> > in hell of ever running XP, and were you the owner of that computer,

>> > you

>> > would be saying stuff about XP just as you have with Vista, and none of

>> > it

>> > would be good. You might want to visit the XP newsgroups where you will

>> > see

>> > that installing and running XP is not plain sailing for all as you have

>> > suggested it is.

>> >

>> > Incidentally, a fresh install of XP SP2 still brings with it over 80

>> > updates

>> > necessary after installation.

>> >

>> > Vista works for many people/computer combinations, therefore it can't

>> > be all

>> > bad. That is not to say that Vista does not have issues. This newsgroup

>> > would not exist if it didn't. Not all of Vista's issues will affect all

>> > people. Some of Vista's issues are down to a lack or unwillingness by

>> > 3rd

>> > party manufacturers to give Vista support their product lines. In

>> > almost all

>> > cases, this is because the 3rd party manufacturer wants to sell new

>> > stuff,

>> > and in fact needs to sell new stuff in order to stay alive.

>> >

>> > Had you sought decent help in the initial stages of having Vista, you

>> > could

>> > have quickly determined that Vista was not for you, and would have

>> > undoubted

>> > been given advice to return the product. I am not sure what course you

>> > actually took, but it obviously didn't work for you.

>> >

>> > At this point, returning it is probably out of the question, so your

>> > options

>> > are limited. You could try selling it and recouping some of your

>> > losses, or

>> > you could try asking nicely for help. MVPs and many others are here to

>> > help

>> > and to learn themselves. The choice is yours, but I have to say that

>> > continued ranting and raving will not get your money back or garner

>> > anybody's best wishes here.

>> >

>> >

>> > "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> > news:FA606199-6571-4E98-9BE8-F541A2205714@microsoft.com...

>> > >i would of returned this os in a heart beat,if i had of known they

>> > >would of

>> > > took it back and i could of got my 240.00 back,,when they emailed me

>> > > about

>> > > it,,i had been trying to get ti to work and had it four months..i

>> > > didnt

>> > > know

>> > > about the 45 day thing..i didnt think any one took opened software

>> > > back...

>> > >

>> > > when i watched bill gates being interviewed..for over 30 minutes,,he

>> > > didnt

>> > > say one thing about vista haveing all of these problems and that it

>> > > has..bugs

>> > > or what ever,,he didnt say one time,that it was messed up and it

>> > > would

>> > > have

>> > > to go for a lot of updates and service packs to get it fixed and

>> > > working..

>> > >

>> > > he knew,,that this operateing system was..not whole..he knew it was

>> > > not a

>> > > finished product..and whats on the box,,,it says windows vista home

>> > > premium..wouldnt you take that..as saying..there is a complete os in

>> > > this

>> > > package..it does not say..on the front any where,that this os is not

>> > > complete

>> > > and it will have to go for updates

>> > >

>> > > and fixes,,so it will work corresctly..this is no where on the

>> > > package,no

>> > > where on the front does it say,,we will return your money if

>> > > returned..within

>> > > 45 days..i even read the back..its not on there..

>> > >

>> > > it took me a long time to get this working,a lot of grief..i had

>> > > never

>> > > went

>> > > though anything like this..this was just crazy..

>> > > i down load win xp..no problems at all..dont even have to go for any

>> > > updates..it works,right first time every time..

>> > >

>> > > its a self contained os..needs nothing..ok shoot me..i beleived all

>> > > of

>> > > bills

>> > > hype...

>> > >

>> > > i thought it was going to be the bomb and it was going to be better

>> > > then

>> > > xp..its diffently not.so shoot me..

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > "Kevin Young" wrote:

>> > >

>> > >> MVP's are simply people that MS gave a title to as they spend a

>> > >> great

>> > >> deal of time in these forums helping others. As normal people, just

>> > >> like the rest of us, I'm sure they have good days and bad. I know

>> > >> I've

>> > >> been guilty of posting the odd rant when I've been frustrated by

>> > >> Vista

>> > >> and I'm sure as an MVP reading rants day in and day out can try ones

>> > >> patience. I don't think it is productive to label all MVP's as a

>> > >> certain type no different than it is to label all would be trolls as

>> > >> a

>> > >> certain type. Both are just folks with a strong preference either

>> > >> for

>> > >> or against Vista. We likely all need to put Vista in perspective at

>> > >> times, it is just a freaking operating system.

>> > >>

>> > >> I've been running Vista since the Beta 2 days in addition to running

>> > >> XP

>> > >> Pro and MCE. I've also been running Ubuntu, SLED 10, PCLinux2007

>> > >> and

>> > >> Linspire. While there are things I like in Linux there are others I

>> > >> prefer about Vista. While I have only played around on a MAC, I

>> > >> suspect

>> > >> there are pros and cons to them as well. My point is there isn't a

>> > >> perfect operating system out there, each have positive and negative

>> > >> aspects. Just like other things though people have personal

>> > >> preferences. Why we tend to evangelize one operating system over

>> > >> another is likely to defend our own choice.

>> > >>

>> > >> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> > >> news:BDF5B28B-0667-4C38-916A-30A261E5DF63@microsoft.com:

>> > >>

>> > >> > you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

>> > >> > negitive

>> > >> > about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some

>> > >> > useing

>> > >> > four

>> > >> > letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont

>> > >> > beleive you

>> > >> > guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some

>> > >> > are

>> > >> > geting

>> > >> > paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here

>> > >> > and do

>> > >> > damage

>> > >> > control

>> > >> >

>> > >> > "SX" wrote:

>> > >> >

>> > >> >

>> > >> > > Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn

>> > >> > > about

>> > >> > > problems I

>> > >> > > might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means

>> > >> > > am I

>> > >> > > an

>> > >> > > expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my

>> > >> > > laptop is IE

>> > >> > > freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few

>> > >> > > days. Not

>> > >> > > too bad

>> > >> > > in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on

>> > >> > > my

>> > >> > > wife's

>> > >> > > laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to

>> > >> > > Ultimate

>> > >> > > myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a

>> > >> > > tad

>> > >> > > slower than

>> > >> > > hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

>> > >> > > I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive

>> > >> > > when

>> > >> > > answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP

>> > >> > > with

>> > >> > > that

>> > >> > > attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are

>> > >> > > exceptional at

>> > >> > > being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the

>> > >> > > other

>> > >> > > posters,

>> > >> > > Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply

>> > >> > > some

>> > >> > > helpful

>> > >> > > informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing

>> > >> > > Vista,

>> > >> > > it's

>> > >> > > simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like

>> > >> > > both of

>> > >> > > you

>> > >> > > expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to

>> > >> > > rant,

>> > >> > > rave and

>> > >> > > cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers

>> > >> > > wanting to

>> > >> > > fire

>> > >> > > the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't

>> > >> > > be

>> > >> > > more than

>> > >> > > 13.

>> > >> > >

>> > >> > > --

>> > >> > > SX

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> >

>> >

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:53:37 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>Taibear ios wrote:

>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its bad.

>>

>> what is the problem with that?

>

>Well, that's only your uneducated personal opinion and is considered not

>to be true by billions of very satisfied Vista users.

>You're in the minority in case you didn't know.

 

Like I just said in another thread, saying stupid things seems to come

naturally for you Frank. Billions of very satisfied Vista users?

Really, billions?

>>

>>

>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>> never

>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>

>Who cares? I actually enjoy booting your stupid ass all over this ng.

>Frank

 

You can't kick anybody since you always manage to stick your own foot

in your mouth. Billions?

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:59:48 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>Taibear ios wrote:

>

>> I agree 100%

>>

>> XP did not have problems on its own.. it was the external creation of

>> viruses that caused the problems,

>> something that MS could not foresee

>>

>> Vista is bad because of its own design flaws

>>

>Care to list your industrial/mechanical design credentials? Otherwise

>you need to change your hate Vista design statement to..."in my personal

>opinion"...or else provide proof of professional design acumen, ok?

>Frank

 

That from the dope that tried to pass himself of as a engineer that

claimed he build computer hardware and never does anything BUT post

his own always fact less highly irrational very biased personal

opinions.

 

Frank, you're a riot. Everything you accuse others of doing you do

yourself ten times worse.

fourteen wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fenr91$60o$3@aioe.org...

>> fourteen wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fenqa2$25f$8@aioe.org...

>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly

>>>>>> being improved every six months, not every seven years.

>>>>>

>>>>> Illogical.

>>>>> Stable and changed every six months do not go together especially

>>>>> for a complex piece of software.

>>>>> If you want stable don't use an OS that frequently adds new

>>>>> features just to impress users with bells and whistles.

>>>>

>>>> I started with Ubuntu 6.06 and it was great. I upgraded to 7.04 and

>>>> it was even better. 7.10 will continue the improvement so you were

>>>> saying?

>>>>

>>>> MS had six years to improve XP and flopped. The only reasons for

>>>> using Windows nowadays is for gaming and programs like AutoCad that

>>>> only work with Windows.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>>

>>> Why ubuntu 6.06, 7.04, 7.10. ?

>>> Are they just adding larger numbers for the heck of it?

>>

>> They're dates, June 6, April 7 and October 7.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

>

> So the date you download it is the version you have ?

>

 

No. It's the date of its release, although Gutsy will be 12 days late.

 

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:53:37 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>> Taibear ios wrote:

>>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its bad.

>>>

>>> what is the problem with that?

>> Well, that's only your uneducated personal opinion and is considered not

>> to be true by billions of very satisfied Vista users.

>> You're in the minority in case you didn't know.

>

> Like I just said in another thread, saying stupid things seems to come

> naturally for you Frank. Billions of very satisfied Vista users?

> Really, billions?

>>>

>>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>>> never

>>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>> Who cares? I actually enjoy booting your stupid ass all over this ng.

>> Frank

>

> You can't kick anybody since you always manage to stick your own foot

> in your mouth. Billions?

>

 

Considering there are less than 300 million computers in the world,

Frank, once again, is lying through his teeth.

 

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In message <uytevdMDIHA.5228@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> "Mike Hall - MVP"

<mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>It is a complete OS but will not work for every person and machine

>combination, just as XP did not.

 

OSX does.

 

Microsoft could do it too, if they controlled all the hardware.

 

--

You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 than just a kind word.

I do not give frank the facts because one of the following will happen:

 

He will distort them into something completely different & find ways to make

fun of them

He will simply not believe anything I tell him and deny everything.

 

I mean he will not even believe I have vista.. what is the point losing my

time with this loser...

 

im not playing his game. He is too ignorant and stupid.

 

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:g8vug3pa9b0nrvefaegkvnt40q1pi637k5@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:59:48 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>Taibear ios wrote:

>>

>>> I agree 100%

>>>

>>> XP did not have problems on its own.. it was the external creation of

>>> viruses that caused the problems,

>>> something that MS could not foresee

>>>

>>> Vista is bad because of its own design flaws

>>>

>>Care to list your industrial/mechanical design credentials? Otherwise

>>you need to change your hate Vista design statement to..."in my personal

>>opinion"...or else provide proof of professional design acumen, ok?

>>Frank

>

> That from the dope that tried to pass himself of as a engineer that

> claimed he build computer hardware and never does anything BUT post

> his own always fact less highly irrational very biased personal

> opinions.

>

> Frank, you're a riot. Everything you accuse others of doing you do

> yourself ten times worse.

>

Except for the reality being that MS do NOT control all of the hardware, and

never have..

 

 

"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message

news:9jvug3hln21dpus2vea99b2kbj1h3gkdka@4ax.com...

> In message <uytevdMDIHA.5228@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> "Mike Hall - MVP"

> <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>

>>It is a complete OS but will not work for every person and machine

>>combination, just as XP did not.

>

> OSX does.

>

> Microsoft could do it too, if they controlled all the hardware.

>

> --

> You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 than just a kind word.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:45:48 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>"you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

>negitive"

>What do you see when someone posts positive about Windows Vista.

>

>Is misinformation OK as long as it is against Windows Vista?

>Is anything that supports Windows Vista wrong even though there is

>proof it is true?

 

Stop the crap blizzard. The fact is way more misinformation about

Vista, Windows in general and Microsoft is posted by MVPs and the

moronic fanboy crowd then the other way around.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:59:48 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>

>>Taibear ios wrote:

>>

>>

>>>I agree 100%

>>>

>>>XP did not have problems on its own.. it was the external creation of

>>>viruses that caused the problems,

>>>something that MS could not foresee

>>>

>>>Vista is bad because of its own design flaws

>>>

>>

>>Care to list your industrial/mechanical design credentials? Otherwise

>>you need to change your hate Vista design statement to..."in my personal

>>opinion"...or else provide proof of professional design acumen, ok?

>>Frank

>

>

> That from the dope that tried to pass himself of as a engineer that

> claimed he build computer hardware and never does anything BUT post

> his own always fact less highly irrational very biased personal

> opinions.

>

> Frank, you're a riot. Everything you accuse others of doing you do

> yourself ten times worse.

>

 

Tell us all about it mr genius, mr computer expert...hey...ever get that

one little upgrade install of Vista to run properly mr genius, mr

know-it-all computer expert...hahaha...lol? Call Ballmer, he'll maybe

fix it for you, you idiot.

Frank

Taibear ios wrote:

> I do not give frank the facts because one of the following will happen:

>

 

Because you're afraid of the truth?

> He will distort them into something completely different & find ways to make

> fun of them

> He will simply not believe anything I tell him and deny everything.

 

Try dealing with truth, capin' crunch.

>

> I mean he will not even believe I have vista.. what is the point losing my

> time with this loser...

 

You're the idiot who claims to be a computer designer yet can't get

Vista to run properly.

>

> im not playing his game. He is too ignorant and stupid.

 

Yeah, right. I'm not the spaced cadet who doesn't know how to run a

computer.

Try dealing with the truth for once.

I dare you!

Frank

Alias wrote:

>

> Considering there are less than 300 million computers in the world,

> Frank, once again, is lying through his teeth.

 

The top ten countries have ~365 million.

http://www.aneki.com/computers.html

 

But 4 billion people use them, 3.5 billion in China on pirated copies of

Windows.

 

That's just PCs. Not counting the computers in cars, wristwatches, and

toasters.

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HeyBub wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Considering there are less than 300 million computers in the world,

>> Frank, once again, is lying through his teeth.

>

> The top ten countries have ~365 million.

> http://www.aneki.com/computers.html

>

> But 4 billion people use them, 3.5 billion in China on pirated copies of

> Windows.

>

> That's just PCs. Not counting the computers in cars, wristwatches, and

> toasters.

>

>

 

So I was off by 65 million. BFD. Still a far cry from "billions" and no

one can know how many people use the computers. So, Frank is lying

through his teeth because "billions" are not using Vista. Even Microsoft

admits to only selling 60 million.

 

--

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

 

Wintard top posting corrected.

>

>

> "DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message

> news:9jvug3hln21dpus2vea99b2kbj1h3gkdka@4ax.com...

>> In message <uytevdMDIHA.5228@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> "Mike Hall - MVP"

>> <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:

>>

>>> It is a complete OS but will not work for every person and machine

>>> combination, just as XP did not.

>>

>> OSX does.

>>

>> Microsoft could do it too, if they controlled all the hardware.

>>

>> --

>> You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 than just a kind word.

>

> Except for the reality being that MS do NOT control all of the hardware,

> and never have.

 

Really? Reactivation ring a bell when you change hardware? How about WGA

kicking and LYING by saying you're running a non "genuine" copy of Vista

when you update a driver or two? If that ain't control, I don't know

what is.

 

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