I know that you didn't mean it that way.. I just wanted to explain something

to you.

 

what actually helps may be different than what you think .. though that is

what I am saying.

 

And remember this is not a vista.HELP.ONLY newsgroup its vista.general

 

if everyone was in here chanting how great vista was, do you think that

would have a good effect?

The result would be that many would say.. hey vista really is good.. then

they would run to the store and get it..

 

then what? they would most probably run into a long list of problems, This

is not something theoretical.. people have problems..

lots of them... more than usual more than they should of had.

 

Anyway.. I like your style.. perhaps we need someone like you in here to

maintain a more civilized tone :-)

you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something negitive

about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some useing four

letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont beleive you

guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some are geting

paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here and do damage

control

 

"SX" wrote:

> Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about problems I

> might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I an

> expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop is IE

> freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not too bad

> in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my wife's

> laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to Ultimate

> myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad slower than

> hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

> I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

> answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with that

> attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are exceptional at

> being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other posters,

> Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some helpful

> informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista, it's

> simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of you

> expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant, rave and

> cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to fire

> the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be more than

> 13.

>

> --

> SX

"you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

negitive"

What do you see when someone posts positive about Windows Vista.

 

Is misinformation OK as long as it is against Windows Vista?

Is anything that supports Windows Vista wrong even though there is

proof it is true?

 

"i just tested this"

The other post of yours had several clearly false statements.

I am curious as to how you respond to what is clearly shown to be

false.

Such false statements ask for trouble.

That does not give any excuse for personal attacks, but it does not

help either.

 

"some are geting paid by microsoft,or geting something"

Total nonsense, except those clearly Microsoft employees.

And I rarely see Microsoft in this newsgroup.

Some spread this myth in hopes the lie will fuel anger.

Hopefully that is not your reason.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:BDF5B28B-0667-4C38-916A-30A261E5DF63@microsoft.com...

> you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

> negitive

> about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some useing

> four

> letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont

> beleive you

> guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some

> are geting

> paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here and

> do damage

> control

>

> "SX" wrote:

>

>> Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about

>> problems I

>> might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am

>> I an

>> expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my

>> laptop is IE

>> freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days.

>> Not too bad

>> in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my

>> wife's

>> laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to

>> Ultimate

>> myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad

>> slower than

>> hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

>> I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive

>> when

>> answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP

>> with that

>> attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are

>> exceptional at

>> being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the

>> other posters,

>> Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply

>> some helpful

>> informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing

>> Vista, it's

>> simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both

>> of you

>> expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to

>> rant, rave and

>> cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting

>> to fire

>> the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be

>> more than

>> 13.

>>

>> --

>> SX

just proved another point..these MVP,S they are monitoring our post and what

we say and are comeing on.to attack us..to do damage control..

 

if they are not receiveing compisation of some kind..why are they doing this..

but as they see..vista is so defective

you cant even begin to slow down the negitive post..you can monitor us

day and night..its not going to do any good

too many people are haveing trouble with this os

but what gets me is..its something brand new

years in the makeing

cost a lot of money

and it is worst then win xp was ever..out of the box..

the only reson i bought vista was because

i seen bill gates on a show,interviewing him and he was telling how great

this os was -----he lied---he had to know it was this bad..out of the box..he

lied to the people--its 2007

and they still cant get it right..i will never buy another product,,of

microsoft..never

 

im just glad i got my old win xp..on my other computer,,so i can do on

there the things vista want let me do..when an os..makes all of your software

and dvd and cd burners,that are just a couple of years old,,stop working..

and you have to go out and buy new software..so the same old ones will

work.in vista

thats just not right

now the gates foundation is giveing away 100 million dollars away to over

seas countries..for grants..he gave us,,a defective os..thats what we got for

the money..that they are giveing away..

that money should be given back to all the people he just robbed

on this vista os.thats my freedom of speach,,opion

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> "you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

> negitive"

> What do you see when someone posts positive about Windows Vista.

>

> Is misinformation OK as long as it is against Windows Vista?

> Is anything that supports Windows Vista wrong even though there is

> proof it is true?

>

> "i just tested this"

> The other post of yours had several clearly false statements.

> I am curious as to how you respond to what is clearly shown to be

> false.

> Such false statements ask for trouble.

> That does not give any excuse for personal attacks, but it does not

> help either.

>

> "some are geting paid by microsoft,or geting something"

> Total nonsense, except those clearly Microsoft employees.

> And I rarely see Microsoft in this newsgroup.

> Some spread this myth in hopes the lie will fuel anger.

> Hopefully that is not your reason.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

>

> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:BDF5B28B-0667-4C38-916A-30A261E5DF63@microsoft.com...

> > you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

> > negitive

> > about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some useing

> > four

> > letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont

> > beleive you

> > guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some

> > are geting

> > paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here and

> > do damage

> > control

> >

> > "SX" wrote:

> >

> >> Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about

> >> problems I

> >> might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am

> >> I an

> >> expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my

> >> laptop is IE

> >> freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days.

> >> Not too bad

> >> in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my

> >> wife's

> >> laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to

> >> Ultimate

> >> myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad

> >> slower than

> >> hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

> >> I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive

> >> when

> >> answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP

> >> with that

> >> attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are

> >> exceptional at

> >> being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the

> >> other posters,

> >> Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply

> >> some helpful

> >> informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing

> >> Vista, it's

> >> simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both

> >> of you

> >> expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to

> >> rant, rave and

> >> cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting

> >> to fire

> >> the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be

> >> more than

> >> 13.

> >>

> >> --

> >> SX

>

>

MVP's are simply people that MS gave a title to as they spend a great

deal of time in these forums helping others. As normal people, just

like the rest of us, I'm sure they have good days and bad. I know I've

been guilty of posting the odd rant when I've been frustrated by Vista

and I'm sure as an MVP reading rants day in and day out can try ones

patience. I don't think it is productive to label all MVP's as a

certain type no different than it is to label all would be trolls as a

certain type. Both are just folks with a strong preference either for

or against Vista. We likely all need to put Vista in perspective at

times, it is just a freaking operating system.

 

I've been running Vista since the Beta 2 days in addition to running XP

Pro and MCE. I've also been running Ubuntu, SLED 10, PCLinux2007 and

Linspire. While there are things I like in Linux there are others I

prefer about Vista. While I have only played around on a MAC, I suspect

there are pros and cons to them as well. My point is there isn't a

perfect operating system out there, each have positive and negative

aspects. Just like other things though people have personal

preferences. Why we tend to evangelize one operating system over

another is likely to defend our own choice.

 

"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:BDF5B28B-0667-4C38-916A-30A261E5DF63@microsoft.com:

> you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something negitive

> about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some useing four

> letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont beleive you

> guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some are geting

> paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here and do damage

> control

>

> "SX" wrote:

>

>

> > Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about problems I

> > might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I an

> > expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop is IE

> > freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not too bad

> > in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my wife's

> > laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to Ultimate

> > myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad slower than

> > hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

> > I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

> > answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with that

> > attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are exceptional at

> > being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other posters,

> > Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some helpful

> > informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista, it's

> > simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of you

> > expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant, rave and

> > cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to fire

> > the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be more than

> > 13.

> >

> > --

> > SX

Taibear ios wrote:

> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its bad.

>

> what is the problem with that?

 

Well, that's only your uneducated personal opinion and is considered not

to be true by billions of very satisfied Vista users.

You're in the minority in case you didn't know.

>

>

> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

> never

> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

 

Who cares? I actually enjoy booting your stupid ass all over this ng.

Frank

Taibear ios wrote:

> its a long story that started before even vista was called vista..

>

> a battle between the many who insisted that vista was some sort of act of

> god,

> and the few who kept pointing out that vista has too many problems.

> We knew the impact it would have.. and how many people would suffer.

>

> it is one of the fundamental laws of nature.. where there is action there is

> reaction.

>

> You are seeing this reaction in here .. but its all over the place...

>

> in forums in peoples homes, in stores... lots of people are displeased with

> vista.

>

> This could have been avoided if vista was good. Then the ones complaining

> would be kooks.

>

> In this situation the people who are defending a defective product are the

> kooks.

>

> All they have to do is acknowledge its crappieness and then there will be no

> reason to bash it anymore.. lol

>

> then we would focus only on helping the poor unfortunate users.

>

> I care and I am very disappointed from Vista.

>

>

> "SX" <SX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:38ABA80C-7516-41EA-80BC-D6F372454813@microsoft.com...

>

>>No problem Tai, I just think the bashing is kind of over done as well as

>>the

>>attitude shown by some of the MVP's. I also think Vista should have been

>>better but bashing it here, where people come for help and to learn, I

>>don't

>>see the purpose. Could you enlighten me? Thanks.

>>--

>>SX

>>

>>

>>"Taibear ios" wrote:

>>

>>

>>>I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>>>bad.

>>>

>>>what is the problem with that?

>>>

>>>

>>>I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>>>never

>>>be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>"SX" <SX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>news:DDE61AD6-EDF3-49DA-926A-B0B04A6C88D9@microsoft.com...

>>>

>>>>Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about

>>>>problems

>>>>I

>>>>might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I

>>>>an

>>>>expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop

>>>>is

>>>>IE

>>>>freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not

>>>>too

>>>>bad

>>>>in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my

>>>>wife's

>>>>laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to

>>>>Ultimate

>>>>myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad

>>>>slower

>>>>than

>>>>hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

>>>>I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

>>>>answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with

>>>>that

>>>>attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are

>>>>exceptional

>>>>at

>>>>being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other

>>>>posters,

>>>>Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some

>>>>helpful

>>>>informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista,

>>>>it's

>>>>simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of

>>>>you

>>>>expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant,

>>>>rave

>>>>and

>>>>cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to

>>>>fire

>>>>the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be

>>>>more

>>>>than

>>>>13.

>>>>

>>>>--

>>>>SX

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

>

What a crock of crap!

Frank

Taibear ios wrote:

> I agree 100%

>

> XP did not have problems on its own.. it was the external creation of

> viruses that caused the problems,

> something that MS could not foresee

>

> Vista is bad because of its own design flaws

>

Care to list your industrial/mechanical design credentials? Otherwise

you need to change your hate Vista design statement to..."in my personal

opinion"...or else provide proof of professional design acumen, ok?

Frank

"just proved another point..these MVP,S they are monitoring our post"

And your post proved you are monitoring our posts.

Be careful what you make of something.

As in this case, it is not always there.

 

"why are they doing this"

Why are you doing this?

Answer that question and you are a step toward discovering why I post.

 

"the only reson i bought vista was because"

Surely you did not buy a product simply because someone you have never

met and has something to gain by your purchase said "how great this os

was"

No one should purchase any product unless there is something they

expect to be gained.

The existance of a new product by itself is insufficient reason to

purchase.

This applies to all products, not just computers and technology.

 

"i will never buy another product"

That is fine.

There are choices and everyone needs to exercise the choice that best

meets their needs.

Windows Vista best meets my needs and NO ONE is qualified to dispute

that any more than they can dispute what you determine is best for

you.

Any one that trys is probably a fool.

 

"that are just a couple of years old,,stop working"

That suggests you purchased quickly without determining if your

essential hardware and software was prepared for Windows Vista.

Some is and some is not and only you and not me, Microsoft or anyone

else can tell you.

Did you verify Windows Vista with your essential hardware and software

before purchasing?

 

"a defective os"

Debatable since it works for me on two older computers.

Windows Vista works for many.

 

"now the gates foundation is giveing away 100 million dollars"

Irrelevant.

 

"money should be given back"

Refunds are easy, particularily in North America.

As long as it is within 45 days.

I certainly would not keep something that did not work for 45 days.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:FF479E2B-DBF6-476D-9B3C-6AA76C08F907@microsoft.com...

> just proved another point..these MVP,S they are monitoring our post

> and what

> we say and are comeing on.to attack us..to do damage control..

>

> if they are not receiveing compisation of some kind..why are they

> doing this..

> but as they see..vista is so defective

> you cant even begin to slow down the negitive post..you can monitor

> us

> day and night..its not going to do any good

> too many people are haveing trouble with this os

> but what gets me is..its something brand new

> years in the makeing

> cost a lot of money

> and it is worst then win xp was ever..out of the box..

> the only reson i bought vista was because

> i seen bill gates on a show,interviewing him and he was telling how

> great

> this os was -----he lied---he had to know it was this bad..out of

> the box..he

> lied to the people--its 2007

> and they still cant get it right..i will never buy another

> product,,of

> microsoft..never

>

> im just glad i got my old win xp..on my other computer,,so i can

> do on

> there the things vista want let me do..when an os..makes all of your

> software

> and dvd and cd burners,that are just a couple of years old,,stop

> working..

> and you have to go out and buy new software..so the same old ones

> will

> work.in vista

> thats just not right

> now the gates foundation is giveing away 100 million dollars away to

> over

> seas countries..for grants..he gave us,,a defective os..thats what

> we got for

> the money..that they are giveing away..

> that money should be given back to all the people he just robbed

> on this vista os.thats my freedom of speach,,opion

>

> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

>

>> "you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

>> negitive"

>> What do you see when someone posts positive about Windows Vista.

>>

>> Is misinformation OK as long as it is against Windows Vista?

>> Is anything that supports Windows Vista wrong even though there is

>> proof it is true?

>>

>> "i just tested this"

>> The other post of yours had several clearly false statements.

>> I am curious as to how you respond to what is clearly shown to be

>> false.

>> Such false statements ask for trouble.

>> That does not give any excuse for personal attacks, but it does not

>> help either.

>>

>> "some are geting paid by microsoft,or geting something"

>> Total nonsense, except those clearly Microsoft employees.

>> And I rarely see Microsoft in this newsgroup.

>> Some spread this myth in hopes the lie will fuel anger.

>> Hopefully that is not your reason.

>>

>> --

>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

>> http://www.dts-l.org

>>

>>

>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:BDF5B28B-0667-4C38-916A-30A261E5DF63@microsoft.com...

>> > you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say

>> > something

>> > negitive

>> > about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some

>> > useing

>> > four

>> > letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont

>> > beleive you

>> > guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some

>> > are geting

>> > paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here

>> > and

>> > do damage

>> > control

>> >

>> > "SX" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn

>> >> about

>> >> problems I

>> >> might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means

>> >> am

>> >> I an

>> >> expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my

>> >> laptop is IE

>> >> freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few

>> >> days.

>> >> Not too bad

>> >> in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on

>> >> my

>> >> wife's

>> >> laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to

>> >> Ultimate

>> >> myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a

>> >> tad

>> >> slower than

>> >> hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

>> >> I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive

>> >> when

>> >> answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP

>> >> with that

>> >> attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are

>> >> exceptional at

>> >> being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the

>> >> other posters,

>> >> Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply

>> >> some helpful

>> >> informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing

>> >> Vista, it's

>> >> simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like

>> >> both

>> >> of you

>> >> expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to

>> >> rant, rave and

>> >> cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers

>> >> wanting

>> >> to fire

>> >> the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't

>> >> be

>> >> more than

>> >> 13.

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> SX

>>

>>

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ekvz3fHDIHA.5348@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Thanks for the compliment Kristan. I agree, we need to get back to the

> fundamentals of what the newsgroups are about and that is helping people.

> Yes, we have our differences and our personal views but I believe its best

> we channel them in a more positive way that actually helps each of us. I

> am sure folks from Microsoft and the MVPs themselves read these NGs and

> communicate back our problems as feedback to help improve the products and

> technologies we use. Lets move beyond knowledge and more towards sharing

> and gaining knowldge. :)

> --

> Andre

> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com

> My Vista Quickstart Guide:

> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

 

 

Hey, Andre... nice to see you back in the mix. Nice to see someone who posts

with a positive attitude. (Not necessarily "Vista-positive," just positive.)

 

Welcome back.

 

Lang

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:27mtg3de7jje1c4mote3n5193no19mjkm5@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:16:01 -0700, SX <SX@discussions.microsoft.com>

> wrote:

>

> I've used every version of Windows Microsoft ever released going back

> to Windows 2.0. There never was any "official" version one.

 

 

What!?! Uh, wrong? I just sold my copy of Windows 1.01 on eBay for $153.

Yah, it was "official."

 

Lang

Hey Lang,

 

Great to see you too my friend. :)

--

Andre

Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com

My Vista Quickstart Guide:

http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:F48899B3-9540-46EF-96DD-D61B918F5018@microsoft.com...

> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:ekvz3fHDIHA.5348@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Thanks for the compliment Kristan. I agree, we need to get back to the

>> fundamentals of what the newsgroups are about and that is helping people.

>> Yes, we have our differences and our personal views but I believe its

>> best we channel them in a more positive way that actually helps each of

>> us. I am sure folks from Microsoft and the MVPs themselves read these NGs

>> and communicate back our problems as feedback to help improve the

>> products and technologies we use. Lets move beyond knowledge and more

>> towards sharing and gaining knowldge. :)

>> --

>> Andre

>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com

>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:

>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

>

>

> Hey, Andre... nice to see you back in the mix. Nice to see someone who

> posts with a positive attitude. (Not necessarily "Vista-positive," just

> positive.)

>

> Welcome back.

>

> Lang

"SX" <SX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:34182BF4-E413-4BD7-9395-DA84BF81569E@microsoft.com...

> Andre and Kristan had excellent replies. I just don't see how the rantings

> help Adam, I really don't think Bill is sitting around reading these

> posts.

> Let's try and just concentrate on helping others instead of ranting, it

> does

> no good. And yes, some of your replies have been far more helpful than

> some

> of the other MVP's who should lose their status just for the attitude they

> show. And yes, like you, I've done the beta test thingy for MS for years

> and

> Vista should have been much more but the sad fact is it wasn't, it's not

> that

> bad after all for me, even though I was expecting much me, so lets deal

> with

> what we've got or else use alternatives. Let's spend more time helping

> instead of complaining.

> --

> SX

>

>

 

 

Well... good luck with that suggestion. Don't hold your breath.

 

I think the point here is... not complaining, but the manner in which one

posts. I have complaints about Vista, yet I don't cast aspersions on one's

intelligence, computer skills, or ancestry when someone takes exception to

my complaint. It comes down to civility. Plain and simple. And some folks

will -never- be civil in this arena. And some folks will attempt to justify

their lack of civility until the end of days. So... don't hold your breath.

 

Nice to see civil folks joining in the fray, though. -)

 

Lang

Taibear ios wrote:

> I started using vista in a heavily production environment before SP1

> I did excellent work without any problem at all... my prior OS was win98

> that could not

> handle memory well and the pc's kept crashing no matter how much memory I

> would install.

> XP saved me.. had I known then that win2k was so stable I would have done

> that..

>

So let me get this straight...you have no users experience at all with

98SE, ME or 2K...yet you think you're some kind of an MS OS design critic?

Give me a break!

> I fell in love with XP and I have never said a bad word about it ever.

 

Then go back to it. Obviously, from your stated user experience, you're

a relatively newbie to computers.

>

> It expanded win2k giving it more multimedia features but it retained

> stability.

>

> I defended XP because I knew how much good it would do to the world, and it

> kept getting better and better.

>

> I knew this. And I also know and I am stating it CLEAR HERE> VISTA WILL NOT

> BE FIXED WITH SERVICE PACKS.

>

> Its basic concept and design is bad.. it needs a redesign and that wont

> happen.

>

> MS will eat its losses and go on to windows 7.

>

OMG, you're really suffering from delusions of grandeur and self

importance!

Get some real help immediately capin' crunch!

Frank

i would of returned this os in a heart beat,if i had of known they would of

took it back and i could of got my 240.00 back,,when they emailed me about

it,,i had been trying to get ti to work and had it four months..i didnt know

about the 45 day thing..i didnt think any one took opened software back...

 

when i watched bill gates being interviewed..for over 30 minutes,,he didnt

say one thing about vista haveing all of these problems and that it has..bugs

or what ever,,he didnt say one time,that it was messed up and it would have

to go for a lot of updates and service packs to get it fixed and working..

 

he knew,,that this operateing system was..not whole..he knew it was not a

finished product..and whats on the box,,,it says windows vista home

premium..wouldnt you take that..as saying..there is a complete os in this

package..it does not say..on the front any where,that this os is not complete

and it will have to go for updates

 

and fixes,,so it will work corresctly..this is no where on the package,no

where on the front does it say,,we will return your money if returned..within

45 days..i even read the back..its not on there..

 

it took me a long time to get this working,a lot of grief..i had never went

though anything like this..this was just crazy..

i down load win xp..no problems at all..dont even have to go for any

updates..it works,right first time every time..

 

its a self contained os..needs nothing..ok shoot me..i beleived all of bills

hype...

 

i thought it was going to be the bomb and it was going to be better then

xp..its diffently not.so shoot me..

 

 

 

"Kevin Young" wrote:

> MVP's are simply people that MS gave a title to as they spend a great

> deal of time in these forums helping others. As normal people, just

> like the rest of us, I'm sure they have good days and bad. I know I've

> been guilty of posting the odd rant when I've been frustrated by Vista

> and I'm sure as an MVP reading rants day in and day out can try ones

> patience. I don't think it is productive to label all MVP's as a

> certain type no different than it is to label all would be trolls as a

> certain type. Both are just folks with a strong preference either for

> or against Vista. We likely all need to put Vista in perspective at

> times, it is just a freaking operating system.

>

> I've been running Vista since the Beta 2 days in addition to running XP

> Pro and MCE. I've also been running Ubuntu, SLED 10, PCLinux2007 and

> Linspire. While there are things I like in Linux there are others I

> prefer about Vista. While I have only played around on a MAC, I suspect

> there are pros and cons to them as well. My point is there isn't a

> perfect operating system out there, each have positive and negative

> aspects. Just like other things though people have personal

> preferences. Why we tend to evangelize one operating system over

> another is likely to defend our own choice.

>

> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:BDF5B28B-0667-4C38-916A-30A261E5DF63@microsoft.com:

>

> > you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something negitive

> > about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some useing four

> > letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont beleive you

> > guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some are geting

> > paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here and do damage

> > control

> >

> > "SX" wrote:

> >

> >

> > > Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about problems I

> > > might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I an

> > > expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop is IE

> > > freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not too bad

> > > in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my wife's

> > > laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to Ultimate

> > > myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad slower than

> > > hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

> > > I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

> > > answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with that

> > > attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are exceptional at

> > > being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other posters,

> > > Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some helpful

> > > informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista, it's

> > > simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of you

> > > expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant, rave and

> > > cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to fire

> > > the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be more than

> > > 13.

> > >

> > > --

> > > SX

>

>

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

> improved every six months, not every seven years.

 

Illogical.

Stable and changed every six months do not go together especially for a

complex piece of software.

If you want stable don't use an OS that frequently adds new features just to

impress users with bells and whistles.

Frank

I did use Me only lightly, since I did not allow it on a production machine.

 

I had win ME as a dual boot on my own machines and as a single boot too...

 

Me was really only a win98SE with some more features. No big deal...

it was slower than win98 and thats why I was not thrilled about it.

I had no trouble servicing the small number of winme machines that some

clients had.

They were not many since no one liked windowsMe.

 

As for win2k at the time period I am talking about no I had not used it.

 

My work with win2k started after XP was made.

 

I have made sure that I have used and know very well all microsoft OS.

 

The only versions of MS os I have not used are NT3x and 4 that are now

obsolete.

I have no reason to investigate them even now.

 

From all these years of experience using microsoft products, the worse by

far (taking into mind what is possible in the current times) is vista.

 

Vista is like windows Me but worse. Windows Me at lease could use 99.9% the

drivers of win9x.

 

 

"Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message

news:uOh73TJDIHA.3712@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Taibear ios wrote:

>

>> I started using vista in a heavily production environment before SP1

>> I did excellent work without any problem at all... my prior OS was win98

>> that could not

>> handle memory well and the pc's kept crashing no matter how much memory I

>> would install.

>> XP saved me.. had I known then that win2k was so stable I would have done

>> that..

>>

> So let me get this straight...you have no users experience at all with

> 98SE, ME or 2K...yet you think you're some kind of an MS OS design critic?

> Give me a break!

>

>> I fell in love with XP and I have never said a bad word about it ever.

>

> Then go back to it. Obviously, from your stated user experience, you're

> a relatively newbie to computers.

>>

>> It expanded win2k giving it more multimedia features but it retained

>> stability.

>>

>> I defended XP because I knew how much good it would do to the world, and

>> it kept getting better and better.

>>

>> I knew this. And I also know and I am stating it CLEAR HERE> VISTA WILL

>> NOT BE FIXED WITH SERVICE PACKS.

>>

>> Its basic concept and design is bad.. it needs a redesign and that wont

>> happen.

>>

>> MS will eat its losses and go on to windows 7.

>

>>

> OMG, you're really suffering from delusions of grandeur and self

> importance!

> Get some real help immediately capin' crunch!

> Frank

>

You can find those old versions on some sites on the internet...

 

of course this is still illegal since copyright applies, but you can find

them out of historical interest.

 

 

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:168F272B-1DAF-4F2C-A10D-C2A13F3BE61B@microsoft.com...

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:27mtg3de7jje1c4mote3n5193no19mjkm5@4ax.com...

>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:16:01 -0700, SX <SX@discussions.microsoft.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> I've used every version of Windows Microsoft ever released going back

>> to Windows 2.0. There never was any "official" version one.

>

>

> What!?! Uh, wrong? I just sold my copy of Windows 1.01 on eBay for $153.

> Yah, it was "official."

>

> Lang

Wheelman

 

It is a complete OS but will not work for every person and machine

combination, just as XP did not.

 

Before upgrading, one has to assess the capability of the the target

computer, and also determine whether the cost of the upgrade is really

necessary for the work done on the computer. One also has to be ready for

changes and be the type of person who accommodates change easily.

 

You were ill-prepared on all counts, just following a desire to have the

latest OS on your computer. You gotten it wrong of course, hence your

dialogue, and now you want to blame MS and Vista for your woes.

 

You would have had exactly the same issues had you been upgrading to XP on a

lowish end, aging Win 98 computer.

 

As for the response you received when first coming here, that was determined

by your general attitude. Many who come here ask nicely. They do their best

to explain problems encountered, and the response they get back is positive.

Nobody here gets paid to support Vista or to take generalized or personal

insults.

 

XP SP2 has been around for a while now, and over time has collected support

from software and hardware manufacturers. It does work out of the box for

those people who have XP compatible hardware and software, but I could

produce a computer used by one of my clients still that does not have a hope

in hell of ever running XP, and were you the owner of that computer, you

would be saying stuff about XP just as you have with Vista, and none of it

would be good. You might want to visit the XP newsgroups where you will see

that installing and running XP is not plain sailing for all as you have

suggested it is.

 

Incidentally, a fresh install of XP SP2 still brings with it over 80 updates

necessary after installation.

 

Vista works for many people/computer combinations, therefore it can't be all

bad. That is not to say that Vista does not have issues. This newsgroup

would not exist if it didn't. Not all of Vista's issues will affect all

people. Some of Vista's issues are down to a lack or unwillingness by 3rd

party manufacturers to give Vista support their product lines. In almost all

cases, this is because the 3rd party manufacturer wants to sell new stuff,

and in fact needs to sell new stuff in order to stay alive.

 

Had you sought decent help in the initial stages of having Vista, you could

have quickly determined that Vista was not for you, and would have undoubted

been given advice to return the product. I am not sure what course you

actually took, but it obviously didn't work for you.

 

At this point, returning it is probably out of the question, so your options

are limited. You could try selling it and recouping some of your losses, or

you could try asking nicely for help. MVPs and many others are here to help

and to learn themselves. The choice is yours, but I have to say that

continued ranting and raving will not get your money back or garner

anybody's best wishes here.

 

 

"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:FA606199-6571-4E98-9BE8-F541A2205714@microsoft.com...

>i would of returned this os in a heart beat,if i had of known they would of

> took it back and i could of got my 240.00 back,,when they emailed me about

> it,,i had been trying to get ti to work and had it four months..i didnt

> know

> about the 45 day thing..i didnt think any one took opened software back...

>

> when i watched bill gates being interviewed..for over 30 minutes,,he didnt

> say one thing about vista haveing all of these problems and that it

> has..bugs

> or what ever,,he didnt say one time,that it was messed up and it would

> have

> to go for a lot of updates and service packs to get it fixed and working..

>

> he knew,,that this operateing system was..not whole..he knew it was not a

> finished product..and whats on the box,,,it says windows vista home

> premium..wouldnt you take that..as saying..there is a complete os in this

> package..it does not say..on the front any where,that this os is not

> complete

> and it will have to go for updates

>

> and fixes,,so it will work corresctly..this is no where on the package,no

> where on the front does it say,,we will return your money if

> returned..within

> 45 days..i even read the back..its not on there..

>

> it took me a long time to get this working,a lot of grief..i had never

> went

> though anything like this..this was just crazy..

> i down load win xp..no problems at all..dont even have to go for any

> updates..it works,right first time every time..

>

> its a self contained os..needs nothing..ok shoot me..i beleived all of

> bills

> hype...

>

> i thought it was going to be the bomb and it was going to be better then

> xp..its diffently not.so shoot me..

>

>

>

> "Kevin Young" wrote:

>

>> MVP's are simply people that MS gave a title to as they spend a great

>> deal of time in these forums helping others. As normal people, just

>> like the rest of us, I'm sure they have good days and bad. I know I've

>> been guilty of posting the odd rant when I've been frustrated by Vista

>> and I'm sure as an MVP reading rants day in and day out can try ones

>> patience. I don't think it is productive to label all MVP's as a

>> certain type no different than it is to label all would be trolls as a

>> certain type. Both are just folks with a strong preference either for

>> or against Vista. We likely all need to put Vista in perspective at

>> times, it is just a freaking operating system.

>>

>> I've been running Vista since the Beta 2 days in addition to running XP

>> Pro and MCE. I've also been running Ubuntu, SLED 10, PCLinux2007 and

>> Linspire. While there are things I like in Linux there are others I

>> prefer about Vista. While I have only played around on a MAC, I suspect

>> there are pros and cons to them as well. My point is there isn't a

>> perfect operating system out there, each have positive and negative

>> aspects. Just like other things though people have personal

>> preferences. Why we tend to evangelize one operating system over

>> another is likely to defend our own choice.

>>

>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:BDF5B28B-0667-4C38-916A-30A261E5DF63@microsoft.com:

>>

>> > you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

>> > negitive

>> > about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some useing

>> > four

>> > letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont

>> > beleive you

>> > guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some are

>> > geting

>> > paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here and do

>> > damage

>> > control

>> >

>> > "SX" wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> > > Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about

>> > > problems I

>> > > might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I

>> > > an

>> > > expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my

>> > > laptop is IE

>> > > freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not

>> > > too bad

>> > > in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my

>> > > wife's

>> > > laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to

>> > > Ultimate

>> > > myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad

>> > > slower than

>> > > hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

>> > > I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

>> > > answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with

>> > > that

>> > > attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are

>> > > exceptional at

>> > > being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other

>> > > posters,

>> > > Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some

>> > > helpful

>> > > informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista,

>> > > it's

>> > > simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of

>> > > you

>> > > expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant,

>> > > rave and

>> > > cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to

>> > > fire

>> > > the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be

>> > > more than

>> > > 13.

>> > >

>> > > --

>> > > SX

>>

>>

it looks like you didnt read anything i wrote..i guess its your shift to

monitor us and the site..

i build my own computers..it is ready for anything..except something like

this vista

i have been useing win xp for years..i install it and i dont have to go for

updates..never have and never will

 

why get updates.for something that works perfect..out of the box..if it does

not do that for you

maybe you should of checked with some one..that new computers and could of

helped you..get your computer right

before you installed xp

there are plenty of people here that would of advised you and gave you help..

it sounded like you didnt know what you were doing..if you had all of those

problems with xp and i had none..

being this vista is so bad

sure it gave me a lot of grief...i had to install it two times and do the

register,,the stupid thing..because microsoft had there site problems

i had a few more problems,i figured them all out on my own

no one here was smart enough to help

not the boys at microsoft either...they didnt even know

so suport is not so much suport..

if this os,,had not been so flawed,,i wouldnt of had to walk away from it

when i bought..i seen how messed up it was out of the box

and just walked away from it

then when i had time..to put into it i reinstalled it and started

going though all the grief,,untill i got it all..strightened out

so far now its working ok...it was a lot of hard work...

i stuck with it..and with no help from any one..

i got it done..

it took five years for them to make something like this

any other company,,a product like this,would of sunk the company

they would of had to close there doors..

i hope every one else on here,,gets there computer ,with vista on it stright

one thing for sure,you cant get your money back past 45 days,,i asked

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:

> Wheelman

>

> It is a complete OS but will not work for every person and machine

> combination, just as XP did not.

>

> Before upgrading, one has to assess the capability of the the target

> computer, and also determine whether the cost of the upgrade is really

> necessary for the work done on the computer. One also has to be ready for

> changes and be the type of person who accommodates change easily.

>

> You were ill-prepared on all counts, just following a desire to have the

> latest OS on your computer. You gotten it wrong of course, hence your

> dialogue, and now you want to blame MS and Vista for your woes.

>

> You would have had exactly the same issues had you been upgrading to XP on a

> lowish end, aging Win 98 computer.

>

> As for the response you received when first coming here, that was determined

> by your general attitude. Many who come here ask nicely. They do their best

> to explain problems encountered, and the response they get back is positive.

> Nobody here gets paid to support Vista or to take generalized or personal

> insults.

>

> XP SP2 has been around for a while now, and over time has collected support

> from software and hardware manufacturers. It does work out of the box for

> those people who have XP compatible hardware and software, but I could

> produce a computer used by one of my clients still that does not have a hope

> in hell of ever running XP, and were you the owner of that computer, you

> would be saying stuff about XP just as you have with Vista, and none of it

> would be good. You might want to visit the XP newsgroups where you will see

> that installing and running XP is not plain sailing for all as you have

> suggested it is.

>

> Incidentally, a fresh install of XP SP2 still brings with it over 80 updates

> necessary after installation.

>

> Vista works for many people/computer combinations, therefore it can't be all

> bad. That is not to say that Vista does not have issues. This newsgroup

> would not exist if it didn't. Not all of Vista's issues will affect all

> people. Some of Vista's issues are down to a lack or unwillingness by 3rd

> party manufacturers to give Vista support their product lines. In almost all

> cases, this is because the 3rd party manufacturer wants to sell new stuff,

> and in fact needs to sell new stuff in order to stay alive.

>

> Had you sought decent help in the initial stages of having Vista, you could

> have quickly determined that Vista was not for you, and would have undoubted

> been given advice to return the product. I am not sure what course you

> actually took, but it obviously didn't work for you.

>

> At this point, returning it is probably out of the question, so your options

> are limited. You could try selling it and recouping some of your losses, or

> you could try asking nicely for help. MVPs and many others are here to help

> and to learn themselves. The choice is yours, but I have to say that

> continued ranting and raving will not get your money back or garner

> anybody's best wishes here.

>

>

> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:FA606199-6571-4E98-9BE8-F541A2205714@microsoft.com...

> >i would of returned this os in a heart beat,if i had of known they would of

> > took it back and i could of got my 240.00 back,,when they emailed me about

> > it,,i had been trying to get ti to work and had it four months..i didnt

> > know

> > about the 45 day thing..i didnt think any one took opened software back...

> >

> > when i watched bill gates being interviewed..for over 30 minutes,,he didnt

> > say one thing about vista haveing all of these problems and that it

> > has..bugs

> > or what ever,,he didnt say one time,that it was messed up and it would

> > have

> > to go for a lot of updates and service packs to get it fixed and working..

> >

> > he knew,,that this operateing system was..not whole..he knew it was not a

> > finished product..and whats on the box,,,it says windows vista home

> > premium..wouldnt you take that..as saying..there is a complete os in this

> > package..it does not say..on the front any where,that this os is not

> > complete

> > and it will have to go for updates

> >

> > and fixes,,so it will work corresctly..this is no where on the package,no

> > where on the front does it say,,we will return your money if

> > returned..within

> > 45 days..i even read the back..its not on there..

> >

> > it took me a long time to get this working,a lot of grief..i had never

> > went

> > though anything like this..this was just crazy..

> > i down load win xp..no problems at all..dont even have to go for any

> > updates..it works,right first time every time..

> >

> > its a self contained os..needs nothing..ok shoot me..i beleived all of

> > bills

> > hype...

> >

> > i thought it was going to be the bomb and it was going to be better then

> > xp..its diffently not.so shoot me..

> >

> >

> >

> > "Kevin Young" wrote:

> >

> >> MVP's are simply people that MS gave a title to as they spend a great

> >> deal of time in these forums helping others. As normal people, just

> >> like the rest of us, I'm sure they have good days and bad. I know I've

> >> been guilty of posting the odd rant when I've been frustrated by Vista

> >> and I'm sure as an MVP reading rants day in and day out can try ones

> >> patience. I don't think it is productive to label all MVP's as a

> >> certain type no different than it is to label all would be trolls as a

> >> certain type. Both are just folks with a strong preference either for

> >> or against Vista. We likely all need to put Vista in perspective at

> >> times, it is just a freaking operating system.

> >>

> >> I've been running Vista since the Beta 2 days in addition to running XP

> >> Pro and MCE. I've also been running Ubuntu, SLED 10, PCLinux2007 and

> >> Linspire. While there are things I like in Linux there are others I

> >> prefer about Vista. While I have only played around on a MAC, I suspect

> >> there are pros and cons to them as well. My point is there isn't a

> >> perfect operating system out there, each have positive and negative

> >> aspects. Just like other things though people have personal

> >> preferences. Why we tend to evangelize one operating system over

> >> another is likely to defend our own choice.

> >>

> >> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:BDF5B28B-0667-4C38-916A-30A261E5DF63@microsoft.com:

> >>

> >> > you see the MVP,S come on and attack my post when i say something

> >> > negitive

> >> > about vista..they attack me in a lot of different ways...some useing

> >> > four

> >> > letters words against me..i just tested this.with the post.i dont

> >> > beleive you

> >> > guys..go read that and see all the ones that came on.i think some are

> >> > geting

> >> > paid by microsoft,or geting something from them to come on here and do

> >> > damage

> >> > control

> >> >

> >> > "SX" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > > Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about

> >> > > problems I

> >> > > might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I

> >> > > an

> >> > > expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my

> >> > > laptop is IE

> >> > > freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not

> >> > > too bad

> >> > > in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my

> >> > > wife's

> >> > > laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to

> >> > > Ultimate

> >> > > myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad

> >> > > slower than

> >> > > hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

> >> > > I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

> >> > > answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with

> >> > > that

> >> > > attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are

> >> > > exceptional at

> >> > > being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other

> >> > > posters,

> >> > > Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some

> >> > > helpful

> >> > > informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista,

> >> > > it's

> >> > > simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of

> >> > > you

> >> > > expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant,

> >> > > rave and

> >> > > cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to

> >> > > fire

> >> > > the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be

> >> > > more than

> >> > > 13.

> >> > >

> >> > > --

> >> > > SX

> >>

> >>

>

>

Frank reveals how profound, sophisticated and educated he really is:

> What a crock of crap!

> Frank

 

 

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Spanky deMonkey wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:feml3a$1u7$1@aioe.org...

>> Spanky deMonkey wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>>>> Taibear ios wrote:

>>>>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>>>>> bad.

>>>>>

>>>>> what is the problem with that?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>>>>> never

>>>>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>>>> In all fairness, XP wasn't that great until SP2. Vista will be your

>>>> usual Windows OS after it has SP2. If MS decides to drop the WGA "anti

>>>> piracy" shenanigans, fixes the file transfers, is more hardware change

>>>> tolerant and changes the UAC to something useful, I may even reinstall

>>>> the one I have to be able to play the new games that will be "Vista

>>>> Only" for PCs.

>>>>

>>>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

>>>> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>>>>

>>> Oh yea, now we are back to the business of Ubuntu Marketing. Have you

>>> taken a look at the OpenSource Office suite? It needs about 4 or 5 more

>>> years to get up to where Office 2000 was. You keep preaching to the

>>> community and eventually, 5 or 6 more people will come on board. That

>>> will make it all worth it!!!!!

>>>

>>> Yea, right.....

>>>

>> How come you're not using Vista?

>

> I use Vista on my other machine about 5 feet away. It's a slower machine

> and I don't use it very much.

 

Giggle.

 

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>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>

>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

>> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>

> Illogical.

> Stable and changed every six months do not go together especially for a

> complex piece of software.

> If you want stable don't use an OS that frequently adds new features

> just to impress users with bells and whistles.

 

I started with Ubuntu 6.06 and it was great. I upgraded to 7.04 and it

was even better. 7.10 will continue the improvement so you were saying?

 

MS had six years to improve XP and flopped. The only reasons for using

Windows nowadays is for gaming and programs like AutoCad that only work

with Windows.

 

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John Hanley wrote:

> The only way to deal with pests, trolls, flamers, and other trouble

> makers in news groups is to ignore them.

> DO NOT REPLY TO THEM.

> DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM.

> DO NOT TRY TO REFUTE THEM.

> DO NOT TRY TO CONVERT THEM.

> DO NOT TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

> DO NOT TRY TO REASON WITH THEM.

> In other words, ignore them completely. They will eventually tire of

> the game and go away. Do a ‘Block Sender’ or kill-file if you want, but

> shunning is the best remedy.

>

 

Problem is that MS has, by default, included their newsgroups in Windows

Mail and the chaos hasn't even begun yet.

 

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> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

>>> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>>

>> Illogical.

>> Stable and changed every six months do not go together especially for a

>> complex piece of software.

>> If you want stable don't use an OS that frequently adds new features just

>> to impress users with bells and whistles.

>

> I started with Ubuntu 6.06 and it was great. I upgraded to 7.04 and it was

> even better. 7.10 will continue the improvement so you were saying?

>

> MS had six years to improve XP and flopped. The only reasons for using

> Windows nowadays is for gaming and programs like AutoCad that only work

> with Windows.

>

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Why ubuntu 6.06, 7.04, 7.10. ?

Are they just adding larger numbers for the heck of it?