Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about problems I

might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I an

expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop is IE

freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not too bad

in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my wife's

laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to Ultimate

myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad slower than

hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with that

attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are exceptional at

being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other posters,

Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some helpful

informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista, it's

simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of you

expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant, rave and

cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to fire

the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be more than

13.

 

--

SX

I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its bad.

 

what is the problem with that?

 

 

I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

never

be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

 

 

 

 

 

 

"SX" <SX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:DDE61AD6-EDF3-49DA-926A-B0B04A6C88D9@microsoft.com...

> Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about problems

> I

> might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I an

> expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop is

> IE

> freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not too

> bad

> in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my wife's

> laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to Ultimate

> myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad slower

> than

> hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

> I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

> answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with that

> attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are exceptional

> at

> being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other

> posters,

> Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some

> helpful

> informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista, it's

> simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of you

> expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant, rave

> and

> cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to fire

> the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be more

> than

> 13.

>

> --

> SX

Taibear ios wrote:

> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its bad.

>

> what is the problem with that?

>

>

> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

> never

> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> "SX" <SX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:DDE61AD6-EDF3-49DA-926A-B0B04A6C88D9@microsoft.com...

>

>> Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about problems

>> I

>> might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I an

>> expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop is

>> IE

>> freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not too

>> bad

>> in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my wife's

>> laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to Ultimate

>> myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad slower

>> than

>> hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

>> I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

>> answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with that

>> attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are exceptional

>> at

>> being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other

>> posters,

>> Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some

>> helpful

>> informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista, it's

>> simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of you

>> expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant, rave

>> and

>> cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to fire

>> the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be more

>> than

>> 13.

>>

>> --

>> SX

>>

>

>

>

I can't help much, but in the same vein, maybe i should complain more

(ie ask technical questions), rather than just bash. :) hehe

 

the fanboys overlook all my specific complaints and instead gripe about

"whining". there's no winning with that crowd... blaming the user is

their favorite ploy when they have no fix.

Dave

No problem Tai, I just think the bashing is kind of over done as well as the

attitude shown by some of the MVP's. I also think Vista should have been

better but bashing it here, where people come for help and to learn, I don't

see the purpose. Could you enlighten me? Thanks.

--

SX

 

 

"Taibear ios" wrote:

> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its bad.

>

> what is the problem with that?

>

>

> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

> never

> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> "SX" <SX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:DDE61AD6-EDF3-49DA-926A-B0B04A6C88D9@microsoft.com...

> > Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about problems

> > I

> > might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I an

> > expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop is

> > IE

> > freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not too

> > bad

> > in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my wife's

> > laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to Ultimate

> > myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad slower

> > than

> > hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

> > I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

> > answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with that

> > attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are exceptional

> > at

> > being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other

> > posters,

> > Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some

> > helpful

> > informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista, it's

> > simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of you

> > expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant, rave

> > and

> > cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to fire

> > the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be more

> > than

> > 13.

> >

> > --

> > SX

>

>

>

Taibear ios wrote:

> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its bad.

>

> what is the problem with that?

>

>

> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

> never

> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

 

In all fairness, XP wasn't that great until SP2. Vista will be your

usual Windows OS after it has SP2. If MS decides to drop the WGA "anti

piracy" shenanigans, fixes the file transfers, is more hardware change

tolerant and changes the UAC to something useful, I may even reinstall

the one I have to be able to play the new games that will be "Vista

Only" for PCs.

 

For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

improved every six months, not every seven years.

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

> Taibear ios wrote:

>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>> bad.

>>

>> what is the problem with that?

>>

>>

>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>> never

>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>

> In all fairness, XP wasn't that great until SP2. Vista will be your usual

> Windows OS after it has SP2. If MS decides to drop the WGA "anti piracy"

> shenanigans, fixes the file transfers, is more hardware change tolerant

> and changes the UAC to something useful, I may even reinstall the one I

> have to be able to play the new games that will be "Vista Only" for PCs.

>

> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>

 

Oh yea, now we are back to the business of Ubuntu Marketing. Have you

taken a look at the OpenSource Office suite? It needs about 4 or 5 more

years to get up to where Office 2000 was. You keep preaching to the

community and eventually, 5 or 6 more people will come on board. That will

make it all worth it!!!!!

 

Yea, right.....

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

its a long story that started before even vista was called vista..

 

a battle between the many who insisted that vista was some sort of act of

god,

and the few who kept pointing out that vista has too many problems.

We knew the impact it would have.. and how many people would suffer.

 

it is one of the fundamental laws of nature.. where there is action there is

reaction.

 

You are seeing this reaction in here .. but its all over the place...

 

in forums in peoples homes, in stores... lots of people are displeased with

vista.

 

This could have been avoided if vista was good. Then the ones complaining

would be kooks.

 

In this situation the people who are defending a defective product are the

kooks.

 

All they have to do is acknowledge its crappieness and then there will be no

reason to bash it anymore.. lol

 

then we would focus only on helping the poor unfortunate users.

 

I care and I am very disappointed from Vista.

 

 

"SX" <SX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:38ABA80C-7516-41EA-80BC-D6F372454813@microsoft.com...

> No problem Tai, I just think the bashing is kind of over done as well as

> the

> attitude shown by some of the MVP's. I also think Vista should have been

> better but bashing it here, where people come for help and to learn, I

> don't

> see the purpose. Could you enlighten me? Thanks.

> --

> SX

>

>

> "Taibear ios" wrote:

>

>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>> bad.

>>

>> what is the problem with that?

>>

>>

>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>> never

>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "SX" <SX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:DDE61AD6-EDF3-49DA-926A-B0B04A6C88D9@microsoft.com...

>> > Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about

>> > problems

>> > I

>> > might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I

>> > an

>> > expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop

>> > is

>> > IE

>> > freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not

>> > too

>> > bad

>> > in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my

>> > wife's

>> > laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to

>> > Ultimate

>> > myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad

>> > slower

>> > than

>> > hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

>> > I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

>> > answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with

>> > that

>> > attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are

>> > exceptional

>> > at

>> > being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other

>> > posters,

>> > Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some

>> > helpful

>> > informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista,

>> > it's

>> > simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of

>> > you

>> > expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant,

>> > rave

>> > and

>> > cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to

>> > fire

>> > the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be

>> > more

>> > than

>> > 13.

>> >

>> > --

>> > SX

>>

>>

>>

Actually, XP was great from RTM upon until the summer of August 2003 when

that RPC virus was released. Things went back to normal with SP2. Well,

thats how I remember it.

--

Andre

Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com

My Vista Quickstart Guide:

http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

> Taibear ios wrote:

>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>> bad.

>>

>> what is the problem with that?

>>

>>

>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>> never

>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>

> In all fairness, XP wasn't that great until SP2. Vista will be your usual

> Windows OS after it has SP2. If MS decides to drop the WGA "anti piracy"

> shenanigans, fixes the file transfers, is more hardware change tolerant

> and changes the UAC to something useful, I may even reinstall the one I

> have to be able to play the new games that will be "Vista Only" for PCs.

>

> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

Spanky deMonkey wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>> Taibear ios wrote:

>>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>>> bad.

>>>

>>> what is the problem with that?

>>>

>>>

>>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>>> never

>>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>> In all fairness, XP wasn't that great until SP2. Vista will be your usual

>> Windows OS after it has SP2. If MS decides to drop the WGA "anti piracy"

>> shenanigans, fixes the file transfers, is more hardware change tolerant

>> and changes the UAC to something useful, I may even reinstall the one I

>> have to be able to play the new games that will be "Vista Only" for PCs.

>>

>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

>> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>>

>

> Oh yea, now we are back to the business of Ubuntu Marketing. Have you

> taken a look at the OpenSource Office suite? It needs about 4 or 5 more

> years to get up to where Office 2000 was. You keep preaching to the

> community and eventually, 5 or 6 more people will come on board. That will

> make it all worth it!!!!!

>

> Yea, right.....

>

 

How come you're not using Vista?

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

I started using vista in a heavily production environment before SP1

I did excellent work without any problem at all... my prior OS was win98

that could not

handle memory well and the pc's kept crashing no matter how much memory I

would install.

XP saved me.. had I known then that win2k was so stable I would have done

that..

 

I fell in love with XP and I have never said a bad word about it ever.

 

It expanded win2k giving it more multimedia features but it retained

stability.

 

I defended XP because I knew how much good it would do to the world, and it

kept getting better and better.

 

I knew this. And I also know and I am stating it CLEAR HERE> VISTA WILL NOT

BE FIXED WITH SERVICE PACKS.

 

Its basic concept and design is bad.. it needs a redesign and that wont

happen.

 

MS will eat its losses and go on to windows 7.

 

 

 

 

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

> Taibear ios wrote:

>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>> bad.

>>

>> what is the problem with that?

>>

>>

>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>> never

>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>

> In all fairness, XP wasn't that great until SP2. Vista will be your usual

> Windows OS after it has SP2. If MS decides to drop the WGA "anti piracy"

> shenanigans, fixes the file transfers, is more hardware change tolerant

> and changes the UAC to something useful, I may even reinstall the one I

> have to be able to play the new games that will be "Vista Only" for PCs.

>

> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

I agree 100%

 

XP did not have problems on its own.. it was the external creation of

viruses that caused the problems,

something that MS could not foresee

 

Vista is bad because of its own design flaws

 

 

Big difference!

 

 

 

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:eE2D3SHDIHA.5228@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Actually, XP was great from RTM upon until the summer of August 2003 when

> that RPC virus was released. Things went back to normal with SP2. Well,

> thats how I remember it.

> --

> Andre

> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com

> My Vista Quickstart Guide:

> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>> Taibear ios wrote:

>>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>>> bad.

>>>

>>> what is the problem with that?

>>>

>>>

>>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>>> never

>>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>>

>> In all fairness, XP wasn't that great until SP2. Vista will be your usual

>> Windows OS after it has SP2. If MS decides to drop the WGA "anti piracy"

>> shenanigans, fixes the file transfers, is more hardware change tolerant

>> and changes the UAC to something useful, I may even reinstall the one I

>> have to be able to play the new games that will be "Vista Only" for PCs.

>>

>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

>> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

>

CORRECTION!!!

 

I started using ***XP**** in a heavily production environment before SP1

 

 

"Taibear ios" <Taibear@ios.com> wrote in message

news:470ed7ef@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>I started using vista in a heavily production environment before SP1

> I did excellent work without any problem at all... my prior OS was win98

> that could not

> handle memory well and the pc's kept crashing no matter how much memory I

> would install.

> XP saved me.. had I known then that win2k was so stable I would have done

> that..

>

> I fell in love with XP and I have never said a bad word about it ever.

>

> It expanded win2k giving it more multimedia features but it retained

> stability.

>

> I defended XP because I knew how much good it would do to the world, and

> it kept getting better and better.

>

> I knew this. And I also know and I am stating it CLEAR HERE> VISTA WILL

> NOT BE FIXED WITH SERVICE PACKS.

>

> Its basic concept and design is bad.. it needs a redesign and that wont

> happen.

>

> MS will eat its losses and go on to windows 7.

>

>

>

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>> Taibear ios wrote:

>>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>>> bad.

>>>

>>> what is the problem with that?

>>>

>>>

>>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>>> never

>>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>>

>> In all fairness, XP wasn't that great until SP2. Vista will be your usual

>> Windows OS after it has SP2. If MS decides to drop the WGA "anti piracy"

>> shenanigans, fixes the file transfers, is more hardware change tolerant

>> and changes the UAC to something useful, I may even reinstall the one I

>> have to be able to play the new games that will be "Vista Only" for PCs.

>>

>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

>> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

>

I believe that these newsgroups provide a wonderful resource for information

whenever one has a problem and needs to seek alternative, free support, and

there are many knowledgable individuals here, such as MVPs, and a few people

that I know personally (Andre Da Costa being one of these individuals), who

are more than willing to lend a helping hand and resolve an issue for a

customer, an end-user, or just answer general questions.

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I believe that there are

better places to rant instead of these newsgroups -- such as a personal blog

(there are many free services available), etc.

 

Some individuals are dealing with many things in their personal lives

outside of these newsgroups, and perhaps they were just caught on a bad day,

however with that being said I also think that as humans we should all use

our good judgement and refrain from posting unhelpful information.

 

NOTE: This is just my personal opinion, and does not reflect those in the

Microsoft MVP program or other members of this newsgroup.

 

Have a great day,

 

--

Regards,

Kristan M. Kenney

Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

 

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

The only way to deal with pests, trolls, flamers, and other trouble makers

in news groups is to ignore them.

DO NOT REPLY TO THEM.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM.

DO NOT TRY TO REFUTE THEM.

DO NOT TRY TO CONVERT THEM.

DO NOT TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

DO NOT TRY TO REASON WITH THEM.

In other words, ignore them completely. They will eventually tire of the

game and go away. Do a ‘Block Sender’ or kill-file if you want, but

shunning is the best remedy.

>

> I knew this. And I also know and I am stating it CLEAR HERE> VISTA WILL NOT

> BE FIXED WITH SERVICE PACKS.

>

> Its basic concept and design is bad.. it needs a redesign and that wont

> happen.

>

>

>

 

sadly, i agree with your comments. Vista was ill conceived, and they

left out some of the gee whiz features that had been promised oh so long

ago.

 

Dave

John Hanley wrote:

> The only way to deal with pests, trolls, flamers, and other trouble

> makers in news groups is to ignore them.

> DO NOT REPLY TO THEM.

> DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM.

> DO NOT TRY TO REFUTE THEM.

> DO NOT TRY TO CONVERT THEM.

> DO NOT TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

> DO NOT TRY TO REASON WITH THEM.

> In other words, ignore them completely. They will eventually tire of

> the game and go away. Do a ‘Block Sender’ or kill-file if you want,

> but shunning is the best remedy.

>

you are right! I haven't added anyone to my list in ages, but tonight I

think it's time for one worthy addition who redefines the meaning of

pigheadedness. :)

 

Dave

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:feml3a$1u7$1@aioe.org...

> Spanky deMonkey wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:femjqf$uhc$1@aioe.org...

>>> Taibear ios wrote:

>>>> I want to help people with vista, but i want to bash vista because its

>>>> bad.

>>>>

>>>> what is the problem with that?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I can change the ratio of helping/bashing if you guys want.. but I will

>>>> never

>>>> be the one who will say that vista is good.. sorry!

>>> In all fairness, XP wasn't that great until SP2. Vista will be your

>>> usual Windows OS after it has SP2. If MS decides to drop the WGA "anti

>>> piracy" shenanigans, fixes the file transfers, is more hardware change

>>> tolerant and changes the UAC to something useful, I may even reinstall

>>> the one I have to be able to play the new games that will be "Vista

>>> Only" for PCs.

>>>

>>> For real work, however, I prefer a stable OS that is constantly being

>>> improved every six months, not every seven years.

>>>

>>

>> Oh yea, now we are back to the business of Ubuntu Marketing. Have you

>> taken a look at the OpenSource Office suite? It needs about 4 or 5 more

>> years to get up to where Office 2000 was. You keep preaching to the

>> community and eventually, 5 or 6 more people will come on board. That

>> will make it all worth it!!!!!

>>

>> Yea, right.....

>>

>

> How come you're not using Vista?

 

I use Vista on my other machine about 5 feet away. It's a slower machine

and I don't use it very much.

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:16:01 -0700, SX <SX@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote:

>Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about problems I

>might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I an

>expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop is IE

>freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not too bad

>in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my wife's

>laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to Ultimate

>myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad slower than

>hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

>I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

>answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with that

>attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are exceptional at

>being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other posters,

>Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some helpful

>informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista, it's

>simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of you

>expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant, rave and

>cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to fire

>the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be more than

>13.

 

It's called being objective. I've worked with main frame computers

when they filled half a good sized room and still used vacuum tubes

way back in the late sixties. I had a personal computer before 99.999%

of the population even knew there was just a thing. I had one of the

first "laptops" and lugged the damn 40 pound thing around with me.

I've used every version of Windows Microsoft ever released going back

to Windows 2.0. There never was any "official" version one.

 

I've been a beta tester for both IBM and Microsoft. Doing a quick

calculation in my head I'm guessing I've logged in excess of 100,000

hours using Windows. Reporting SOME of what I found 'broke' in Vista

isn't ranting. People with the kind of experience I have, and I'm not

for a second suggesting I'm the only one, KNOW Microsoft dropped the

ball with Vista. So does Gates and Ballmer.

 

Discussing problems with Vista is WHAT this newsgroup is suppose to be

for. MVPs and the hot heads referred to as fanboy want to shout down

anybody that doesn't praise Vista. Why, you'll have to ask them.

 

I'll ask you a simple question. Will you learn more from those that

point out what's wrong with it and where possible tell you how to work

around problems or will you learn from those claiming it's the

greatest thing since sliced bread (obviously lying) and 180 degrees

away from what Microsoft CEO admitted yesterday?

Thanks for the compliment Kristan. I agree, we need to get back to the

fundamentals of what the newsgroups are about and that is helping people.

Yes, we have our differences and our personal views but I believe its best

we channel them in a more positive way that actually helps each of us. I am

sure folks from Microsoft and the MVPs themselves read these NGs and

communicate back our problems as feedback to help improve the products and

technologies we use. Lets move beyond knowledge and more towards sharing and

gaining knowldge. :)

--

Andre

Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com

My Vista Quickstart Guide:

http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry

"Kristan M. Kenney [MVP]" <KristanMKenneyMVP@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote in message news:79254879-5DD7-4DA1-A3D1-C6EB077889ED@microsoft.com...

>I believe that these newsgroups provide a wonderful resource for

>information

> whenever one has a problem and needs to seek alternative, free support,

> and

> there are many knowledgable individuals here, such as MVPs, and a few

> people

> that I know personally (Andre Da Costa being one of these individuals),

> who

> are more than willing to lend a helping hand and resolve an issue for a

> customer, an end-user, or just answer general questions.

>

> Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I believe that there are

> better places to rant instead of these newsgroups -- such as a personal

> blog

> (there are many free services available), etc.

>

> Some individuals are dealing with many things in their personal lives

> outside of these newsgroups, and perhaps they were just caught on a bad

> day,

> however with that being said I also think that as humans we should all use

> our good judgement and refrain from posting unhelpful information.

>

> NOTE: This is just my personal opinion, and does not reflect those in the

> Microsoft MVP program or other members of this newsgroup.

>

> Have a great day,

>

> --

> Regards,

> Kristan M. Kenney

> Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

> rights.

I'm impressed Kristan, a helpful MVP with great attitude. Sorry Andre, as

much help as you have posted I thought you were MVP, you should be, but keep

up the good posts.

--

SX

 

 

"Kristan M. Kenney [MVP]" wrote:

> I believe that these newsgroups provide a wonderful resource for information

> whenever one has a problem and needs to seek alternative, free support, and

> there are many knowledgable individuals here, such as MVPs, and a few people

> that I know personally (Andre Da Costa being one of these individuals), who

> are more than willing to lend a helping hand and resolve an issue for a

> customer, an end-user, or just answer general questions.

>

> Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I believe that there are

> better places to rant instead of these newsgroups -- such as a personal blog

> (there are many free services available), etc.

>

> Some individuals are dealing with many things in their personal lives

> outside of these newsgroups, and perhaps they were just caught on a bad day,

> however with that being said I also think that as humans we should all use

> our good judgement and refrain from posting unhelpful information.

>

> NOTE: This is just my personal opinion, and does not reflect those in the

> Microsoft MVP program or other members of this newsgroup.

>

> Have a great day,

>

> --

> Regards,

> Kristan M. Kenney

> Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

> our good judgment and refrain from posting unhelpful information.

 

Clarifying the problems of vista in such a newsgroup is very important for

those who might want to

see if there are real problems before they make the step and change their

OS.

They might decide to stick with XP and this decision will save them much

time money and frustration.

 

I could argue that the blind supporters also have issues in their own life

and seek joy in a OS that is empty as

a digital bubble. I think that this part of your post is not the best thing

someone could say.

 

You speak in a calm way showing manners.. but what you say shows beliefs

that are not so civilized.

You look down on the people who are dissatisfied.

 

Do not underestimate the power of dissatisfaction for it is the spring that

leads to revolution.

 

The people who complain about vista are right about complaining.

 

 

 

 

"Kristan M. Kenney [MVP]" <KristanMKenneyMVP@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote in message news:79254879-5DD7-4DA1-A3D1-C6EB077889ED@microsoft.com...

>I believe that these newsgroups provide a wonderful resource for

>information

> whenever one has a problem and needs to seek alternative, free support,

> and

> there are many knowledgable individuals here, such as MVPs, and a few

> people

> that I know personally (Andre Da Costa being one of these individuals),

> who

> are more than willing to lend a helping hand and resolve an issue for a

> customer, an end-user, or just answer general questions.

>

> Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I believe that there are

> better places to rant instead of these newsgroups -- such as a personal

> blog

> (there are many free services available), etc.

>

> Some individuals are dealing with many things in their personal lives

> outside of these newsgroups, and perhaps they were just caught on a bad

> day,

> however with that being said I also think that as humans we should all use

> our good judgement and refrain from posting unhelpful information.

>

> NOTE: This is just my personal opinion, and does not reflect those in the

> Microsoft MVP program or other members of this newsgroup.

>

> Have a great day,

>

> --

> Regards,

> Kristan M. Kenney

> Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

> rights.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:20:39 -0700, David <david@invalid.com> wrote:

>

>>

>> I knew this. And I also know and I am stating it CLEAR HERE> VISTA WILL NOT

>> BE FIXED WITH SERVICE PACKS.

>>

>> Its basic concept and design is bad.. it needs a redesign and that wont

>> happen.

>>

>>

>>

>

>sadly, i agree with your comments. Vista was ill conceived, and they

>left out some of the gee whiz features that had been promised oh so long

>ago.

 

In case you didn't know, a lot of the gee whiz features WERE

originally in, and the Boys of Redmond couldn't make them work so they

got pulled out of the shipped version, but left the WOW campaign as is

so people would still buy it.

My apologies -- I do not look down upon anyone, whether they are satisfied or

dissatisfied, and I believe that everyone deserves to be treated equally, and

I am sorry if that is the way that my message came across as.

 

If one wishes to complain about Windows Vista, Windows XP, Linux, what ever

product they wish, that is up to them. I just think that it would be a better

choice to take such rants elsewhere instead of newsgroups which serve a

primary purpose of providing helpful information.

 

Have a great evening,

--

Regards,

Kristan M. Kenney

Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

 

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

 

"Taibear ios" wrote:

> > our good judgment and refrain from posting unhelpful information.

>

> Clarifying the problems of vista in such a newsgroup is very important for

> those who might want to

> see if there are real problems before they make the step and change their

> OS.

> They might decide to stick with XP and this decision will save them much

> time money and frustration.

>

> I could argue that the blind supporters also have issues in their own life

> and seek joy in a OS that is empty as

> a digital bubble. I think that this part of your post is not the best thing

> someone could say.

>

> You speak in a calm way showing manners.. but what you say shows beliefs

> that are not so civilized.

> You look down on the people who are dissatisfied.

>

> Do not underestimate the power of dissatisfaction for it is the spring that

> leads to revolution.

>

> The people who complain about vista are right about complaining.

>

>

>

>

> "Kristan M. Kenney [MVP]" <KristanMKenneyMVP@discussions.microsoft.com>

> wrote in message news:79254879-5DD7-4DA1-A3D1-C6EB077889ED@microsoft.com...

> >I believe that these newsgroups provide a wonderful resource for

> >information

> > whenever one has a problem and needs to seek alternative, free support,

> > and

> > there are many knowledgable individuals here, such as MVPs, and a few

> > people

> > that I know personally (Andre Da Costa being one of these individuals),

> > who

> > are more than willing to lend a helping hand and resolve an issue for a

> > customer, an end-user, or just answer general questions.

> >

> > Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I believe that there are

> > better places to rant instead of these newsgroups -- such as a personal

> > blog

> > (there are many free services available), etc.

> >

> > Some individuals are dealing with many things in their personal lives

> > outside of these newsgroups, and perhaps they were just caught on a bad

> > day,

> > however with that being said I also think that as humans we should all use

> > our good judgement and refrain from posting unhelpful information.

> >

> > NOTE: This is just my personal opinion, and does not reflect those in the

> > Microsoft MVP program or other members of this newsgroup.

> >

> > Have a great day,

> >

> > --

> > Regards,

> > Kristan M. Kenney

> > Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

> >

> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

> > rights.

>

>

>

I know that you didn't mean it that way.. I just wanted to explain something

to you.

 

what actually helps may be different than what you think .. though that is

what I am saying.

 

And remember this is not a vista.HELP.ONLY newsgroup its vista.general

 

if everyone was in here chanting how great vista was, do you think that

would have a good effect?

The result would be that many would say.. hey vista really is good.. then

they would run to the store and get it..

 

then what? they would most probably run into a long list of problems, This

is not something theoretical.. people have problems..

lots of them... more than usual more than they should of had.

 

Anyway.. I like your style.. perhaps we need someone like you in here to

maintain a more civilized tone :-)

 

 

"Kristan M. Kenney [MVP]" <KristanMKenneyMVP@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote in message news:9CF393DB-6668-4D02-A6FD-1E9C39663203@microsoft.com...

> My apologies -- I do not look down upon anyone, whether they are satisfied

> or

> dissatisfied, and I believe that everyone deserves to be treated equally,

> and

> I am sorry if that is the way that my message came across as.

>

> If one wishes to complain about Windows Vista, Windows XP, Linux, what

> ever

> product they wish, that is up to them. I just think that it would be a

> better

> choice to take such rants elsewhere instead of newsgroups which serve a

> primary purpose of providing helpful information.

>

> Have a great evening,

> --

> Regards,

> Kristan M. Kenney

> Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

> rights.

>

>

> "Taibear ios" wrote:

>

>> > our good judgment and refrain from posting unhelpful information.

>>

>> Clarifying the problems of vista in such a newsgroup is very important

>> for

>> those who might want to

>> see if there are real problems before they make the step and change their

>> OS.

>> They might decide to stick with XP and this decision will save them much

>> time money and frustration.

>>

>> I could argue that the blind supporters also have issues in their own

>> life

>> and seek joy in a OS that is empty as

>> a digital bubble. I think that this part of your post is not the best

>> thing

>> someone could say.

>>

>> You speak in a calm way showing manners.. but what you say shows beliefs

>> that are not so civilized.

>> You look down on the people who are dissatisfied.

>>

>> Do not underestimate the power of dissatisfaction for it is the spring

>> that

>> leads to revolution.

>>

>> The people who complain about vista are right about complaining.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Kristan M. Kenney [MVP]" <KristanMKenneyMVP@discussions.microsoft.com>

>> wrote in message

>> news:79254879-5DD7-4DA1-A3D1-C6EB077889ED@microsoft.com...

>> >I believe that these newsgroups provide a wonderful resource for

>> >information

>> > whenever one has a problem and needs to seek alternative, free support,

>> > and

>> > there are many knowledgable individuals here, such as MVPs, and a few

>> > people

>> > that I know personally (Andre Da Costa being one of these individuals),

>> > who

>> > are more than willing to lend a helping hand and resolve an issue for a

>> > customer, an end-user, or just answer general questions.

>> >

>> > Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I believe that there are

>> > better places to rant instead of these newsgroups -- such as a personal

>> > blog

>> > (there are many free services available), etc.

>> >

>> > Some individuals are dealing with many things in their personal lives

>> > outside of these newsgroups, and perhaps they were just caught on a bad

>> > day,

>> > however with that being said I also think that as humans we should all

>> > use

>> > our good judgement and refrain from posting unhelpful information.

>> >

>> > NOTE: This is just my personal opinion, and does not reflect those in

>> > the

>> > Microsoft MVP program or other members of this newsgroup.

>> >

>> > Have a great day,

>> >

>> > --

>> > Regards,

>> > Kristan M. Kenney

>> > Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

>> >

>> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

>> > rights.

>>

>>

>>

Andre and Kristan had excellent replies. I just don't see how the rantings

help Adam, I really don't think Bill is sitting around reading these posts.

Let's try and just concentrate on helping others instead of ranting, it does

no good. And yes, some of your replies have been far more helpful than some

of the other MVP's who should lose their status just for the attitude they

show. And yes, like you, I've done the beta test thingy for MS for years and

Vista should have been much more but the sad fact is it wasn't, it's not that

bad after all for me, even though I was expecting much me, so lets deal with

what we've got or else use alternatives. Let's spend more time helping

instead of complaining.

--

SX

 

 

"Adam Albright" wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:16:01 -0700, SX <SX@discussions.microsoft.com>

> wrote:

>

> >Well, I hang around these newsgroups just to read and learn about problems I

> >might run into with Vista to help myself and others. By no means am I an

> >expert, so far the only problem I have run into with Vista on my laptop is IE

> >freezes occasionally and has to be restarted once every few days. Not too bad

> >in my opinion considering it does the same thing occasionally on my wife's

> >laptop running XP Pro, both are Dell E1505's. I upgraded mine to Ultimate

> >myself and I will admit that Vista with 2GB's ram, mine, is a tad slower than

> >hers with only 1 GB ram running XP Pro.

> >I would agree that some of the MVP's on here are very defensive when

> >answering some questions and I wonder how they can become a MVP with that

> >attitude, those I won't name. There are some who I think are exceptional at

> >being helpful, Andre Da Costa being one. As far as some of the other posters,

> >Adam and Taibear, I don't get it, I have seen both of you supply some helpful

> >informtion to users and the next thing you'll are both bashing Vista, it's

> >simple guys, if you hate it that much, don't use it. I ,like both of you

> >expected a lot more when Vista came out but it does no good to rant, rave and

> >cry about it, geez, you'll sound like me after a few beers wanting to fire

> >the coach when my favorite team loses, and poor Frank, you can't be more than

> >13.

>

> It's called being objective. I've worked with main frame computers

> when they filled half a good sized room and still used vacuum tubes

> way back in the late sixties. I had a personal computer before 99.999%

> of the population even knew there was just a thing. I had one of the

> first "laptops" and lugged the damn 40 pound thing around with me.

> I've used every version of Windows Microsoft ever released going back

> to Windows 2.0. There never was any "official" version one.

>

> I've been a beta tester for both IBM and Microsoft. Doing a quick

> calculation in my head I'm guessing I've logged in excess of 100,000

> hours using Windows. Reporting SOME of what I found 'broke' in Vista

> isn't ranting. People with the kind of experience I have, and I'm not

> for a second suggesting I'm the only one, KNOW Microsoft dropped the

> ball with Vista. So does Gates and Ballmer.

>

> Discussing problems with Vista is WHAT this newsgroup is suppose to be

> for. MVPs and the hot heads referred to as fanboy want to shout down

> anybody that doesn't praise Vista. Why, you'll have to ask them.

>

> I'll ask you a simple question. Will you learn more from those that

> point out what's wrong with it and where possible tell you how to work

> around problems or will you learn from those claiming it's the

> greatest thing since sliced bread (obviously lying) and 180 degrees

> away from what Microsoft CEO admitted yesterday?

>

>