On Oct 19, 11:45 am, "Richard Urban"

<richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Show me a public company that isn't all about profit - please!

 

Read my whole post. Vista was released before it was finished for

quick profit. Nothing new for gates. In fact this is his signature.

On Oct 19, 12:50 pm, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat.net> wrote:

> In message <e1HKEBoEIHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> "Richard Urban"

>

> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >Show me a public company that isn't all about profit - please!

>

> And show me one company that isn't all about profit, I'll show you one

> that is violating the law.

>

> As a matter of all, all public corporations are required to maximize

> profits for their stockholders.

 

That may be true, but morally and ethically the consumer/end user

should be considered somewhere in the equation. And even business-

wise, it makes sense to satisfy the customer, especially down the

road.

 

Truth be known, Gates has a monopoly on OS. Apparently this is all

that counts. If there were competition, then Gates might release

robust software - sad commentary.

steve wrote:

> On Oct 19, 12:50 pm, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat.net> wrote:

>> In message <e1HKEBoEIHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> "Richard Urban"

>>

>> <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> Show me a public company that isn't all about profit - please!

>> And show me one company that isn't all about profit, I'll show you one

>> that is violating the law.

>>

>> As a matter of all, all public corporations are required to maximize

>> profits for their stockholders.

>

> That may be true, but morally and ethically the consumer/end user

> should be considered somewhere in the equation. And even business-

> wise, it makes sense to satisfy the customer, especially down the

> road.

>

> Truth be known, Gates has a monopoly on OS. Apparently this is all

> that counts. If there were competition, then Gates might release

> robust software - sad commentary.

>

>

 

 

This may be true...

>> As a matter of all, all public corporations are required to maximize

>> profits for their stockholders.

 

but can be interpreted (like almost everything else) in several ways.

 

Selling a defective product (Chinese made toys with lead paint) does NOT

maximize profits and therefore is not only bad for business but could,

using the above statement, be judged to be illegal if done deliberately

or without due care.

 

Enron maximized profits, the sub-prime mortgage business maximized

profits, not doubt Halliburton, Blackwater and KBR are all about

maximizing profits, the question is does MS really want to be tarred

with the same brush as it were...

steve wrote:

> On Oct 19, 11:06 am, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupi...@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>> Did you attempt to return it?

>> I certainly would have returned that made me feel that way.

>> Returns are easy, at least in North America.

>

> Seems that way.

>

> MS's software return address:

>

> RE: MICROSOFT PRODUCT RETURN

> 2031 Buroughs Ave.

> San Leandro, CA 94577

> (888) 673-8624

>

>> Microsoft may peddle but no one has to buy it.

>

> True, but how you gonna know if an OS rocks or sucks without buying

> it?

>

>> Windows XP will probably be supported for several more years.

>> And there are also non Microsoft alternatives.

>

> None as good as XP at the moment.

>> But I will keep Windows Vista.

>> Runs well for me on two older computers.

>

> Cool, but Vista still sux.

>

 

And here is a bit more information on returns of windows:

 

But you can return it anyway, and hopefully if enough people do it it

will send them a message. Quoted from the MS website:

 

http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/productrefund/refund.mspx

 

"Microsoft offers a 45 day refund on all there products.

 

Along with a up to 7.00 for return shipping. The number to call:

 

1-888-673-8624

 

This applies to retail items purchased in North America only. If it is

an OEM item, you need to return it for a refund from the OEM you

purchased it from."

 

 

--

Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

 

"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

Just thought I'd update the world on the condition of my WINDOWS VISTA

refund.

 

What refund? A complete no show. It's been over a month and nothing.

Parr for Bill Gates and MS. But you'd think they'd do something right,

just once. Knowing MS & that idiot Gates, I'd be more surprised if it

eventually shows up. I'll keep you posted, but don't hold your breath.

 

Steve

steve525910 Wrote:

> Just thought I'd update the world on the condition of my WINDOWS VISTA

> refund.

>

> What refund? A complete no show. It's been over a month and nothing.

> Parr for Bill Gates and MS. But you'd think they'd do something right,

> just once. Knowing MS & that idiot Gates, I'd be more surprised if it

> eventually shows up. I'll keep you posted, but don't hold your breath.

>

> Steve

> Knowing MS & that idiot Gates...

You know Bill Gates :eek:

 

 

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On Nov 26, 12:39 pm, steve <effac...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just thought I'd update the world on the condition of my WINDOWS VISTA

> refund.

>

> What refund? A complete no show. It's been over a month and nothing.

> Parr for Bill Gates and MS. But you'd think they'd do something right,

> just once. Knowing MS & that idiot Gates, I'd be more surprised if it

> eventually shows up. I'll keep you posted, but don't hold your breath.

>

> Steve

 

The MS Vista refund finally arrive. It took MS 5 weeks, but hey they

even included the tax. So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

offer a refund and keep his word. In Gates defense, few software

companies allow refunds and many peddle even more worthless,

antiquated, user-unfriendly software than Vista.

"So apparently Gates knows..."

That policy is many years old so any assumptions about Windows Vista

based on this policy will probably be false.

Also hardware and software is included in the refund policy, not just

Windows.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

"steve" <effacers@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:272b7476-eb57-461c-a3a0-9ea2d0b6cb0d@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> The MS Vista refund finally arrive. It took MS 5 weeks, but hey they

> even included the tax. So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough

> to

> offer a refund and keep his word. In Gates defense, few software

> companies allow refunds and many peddle even more worthless,

> antiquated, user-unfriendly software than Vista.

steve wrote:

> On Nov 26, 12:39 pm, steve <effac...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>>Just thought I'd update the world on the condition of my WINDOWS VISTA

>>refund.

>>

>>What refund? A complete no show. It's been over a month and nothing.

>>Parr for Bill Gates and MS. But you'd think they'd do something right,

>>just once. Knowing MS & that idiot Gates, I'd be more surprised if it

>>eventually shows up. I'll keep you posted, but don't hold your breath.

>>

>>Steve

>

>

> The MS Vista refund finally arrive.

 

You didn't think it would?

 

It took MS 5 weeks, but hey they

> even included the tax.

 

Great! You're lucky it didn't take as long as most mail-in refunds

do...like 12+ weeks.

 

So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

> offer a refund and keep his word.

 

You're pretty stupid aren't you. These types of refunds have been

available from most all computer/software manufacturers for yrs.

 

In Gates defense, few software

> companies allow refunds and many peddle even more worthless,

> antiquated, user-unfriendly software than Vista.

 

There is nothing wrong with Vista. Usually it's either the hardware some

idiot tries to load it on or else they are so confused (re: computer

illiterate) and lost, they just give up.

I'd recommend you go to toys-r-us and pick up an etch-a-sketch. Of

course first check their return policy.

You just might need to take advantage of it.

Frank

On Dec 2, 10:53 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

> Great! You're lucky it didn't take as long as most mail-in refunds

> do...like 12+ weeks.

 

12+ weeks?? Where you live? Turkey? I've had my fair share of refunds.

Most took a month, some even arrived in 3 weeks.

>

> So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

>

> > offer a refund and keep his word.

>

> You're pretty stupid aren't you. These types of refunds have been

> available from most all computer/software manufacturers for yrs.

 

Complete B.S. dude. Most software is non-refundable, in fact this is

the first software that I was ever able to have a full refund. Where

you live?

>

> In Gates defense, few software

>

> > companies allow refunds and many peddle even more worthless,

> > antiquated, user-unfriendly software than Vista.

>

> There is nothing wrong with Vista.

 

LMFAO. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands on the class action

lawsuit list.

But you're kinda right, Vista is much worse than just "wrong." I'll

save you the laundry list of problems associated with Vista.

>Usually it's either the hardware some

> idiot tries to load it on or else they are so confused (re: computer

> illiterate) and lost, they just give up.

> I'd recommend you go to toys-r-us and pick up an etch-a-sketch. Of

> course first check their return policy.

> You just might need to take advantage of it.

> Frank

 

I'd recommend you fire your shrink.

steve wrote:

> On Dec 2, 10:53 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>

>

>>Great! You're lucky it didn't take as long as most mail-in refunds

>>do...like 12+ weeks.

>

>

> 12+ weeks?? Where you live? Turkey? I've had my fair share of refunds.

> Most took a month, some even arrived in 3 weeks.

 

Sorry pal, but that just ain't true. 90+days is norm which is why

Congress and many States are trying to outlaw the mail-in rebate practice.

Oh, I live in So Cal and I'm waiting for 6 mail-ins, all over 45 days old.

>

>

>> So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

>>

>>

>>>offer a refund and keep his word.

>>

>>You're pretty stupid aren't you. These types of refunds have been

>>available from most all computer/software manufacturers for yrs.

>

>

> Complete B.S. dude. Most software is non-refundable, in fact this is

> the first software that I was ever able to have a full refund.

 

Then you don't know what your doing.

 

Where

> you live?

 

SoCal.

>

>

>> In Gates defense, few software

>>

>>

>>>companies allow refunds and many peddle even more worthless,

>>>antiquated, user-unfriendly software than Vista.

>>

>>There is nothing wrong with Vista.

>

>

> LMFAO. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands on the class action

> lawsuit list.

 

Name them? Ain't happening dude.

> But you're kinda right, Vista is much worse than just "wrong." I'll

> save you the laundry list of problems associated with Vista.

 

You're obviously too stupid to use Vista. Take my first advice and get

an etch-a-sketch.

>

>

>>Usually it's either the hardware some

>>idiot tries to load it on or else they are so confused (re: computer

>>illiterate) and lost, they just give up.

>>I'd recommend you go to toys-r-us and pick up an etch-a-sketch. Of

>>course first check their return policy.

>>You just might need to take advantage of it.

>>Frank

>

>

> I'd recommend you fire your shrink.

 

I'd recommend you get one loser.

Frank

On Dec 3, 9:42 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

> steve wrote:

> > On Dec 2, 10:53 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>

> >>Great! You're lucky it didn't take as long as most mail-in refunds

> >>do...like 12+ weeks.

>

> > 12+ weeks?? Where you live? Turkey? I've had my fair share of refunds.

> > Most took a month, some even arrived in 3 weeks.

>

> Sorry pal, but that just ain't true. 90+days is norm which is why

> Congress and many States are trying to outlaw the mail-in rebate practice.

> Oh, I live in So Cal and I'm waiting for 6 mail-ins, all over 45 days old.

 

Ok, you know when my rebates arrived lol. Rebates should be banned

years ago.

>

>

>

> >> So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

>

> >>>offer a refund and keep his word.

>

> >>You're pretty stupid aren't you. These types of refunds have been

> >>available from most all computer/software manufacturers for yrs.

>

> > Complete B.S. dude. Most software is non-refundable, in fact this is

> > the first software that I was ever able to have a full refund.

>

> Then you don't know what your doing.

 

Ok wise one, explain to the world how you get software refunds when

all stores selling software rejects refunds and the software companies

reject refunds.

> > LMFAO. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands on the class action

> > lawsuit list.

>

> Name them? Ain't happening dude.

 

It's happening dude. Google.

>

> > But you're kinda right, Vista is much worse than just "wrong." I'll

> > save you the laundry list of problems associated with Vista.

>

> You're obviously too stupid to use Vista. Take my first advice and get

> an etch-a-sketch.

 

Vista sucks. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. There's a laundry list

of problems. Tell me, did you enjoy Windows 3.0 back in the day too?

Everything that came before xp sucked .. and so far after. These are

facts. Anyone with OS experience knows this. Obviously you lack

experience.

> I'd recommend you get one loser.

> Frank

 

Give me your shrink's name so I know which one to avoid.

Steve

steve wrote:

> On Dec 3, 9:42 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>

>>steve wrote:

>>

>>>On Dec 2, 10:53 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>

>>>>Great! You're lucky it didn't take as long as most mail-in refunds

>>>>do...like 12+ weeks.

>>

>>>12+ weeks?? Where you live? Turkey? I've had my fair share of refunds.

>>>Most took a month, some even arrived in 3 weeks.

>>

>>Sorry pal, but that just ain't true. 90+days is norm which is why

>>Congress and many States are trying to outlaw the mail-in rebate practice.

>>Oh, I live in So Cal and I'm waiting for 6 mail-ins, all over 45 days old.

>

>

> Ok, you know when my rebates arrived lol. Rebates should be banned

> years ago.

>

>

>>

>>

>>>> So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

>>

>>>>>offer a refund and keep his word.

>>

>>>>You're pretty stupid aren't you. These types of refunds have been

>>>>available from most all computer/software manufacturers for yrs.

>>

>>>Complete B.S. dude. Most software is non-refundable, in fact this is

>>>the first software that I was ever able to have a full refund.

>>

>>Then you don't know what your doing.

>

>

> Ok wise one, explain to the world how you get software refunds when

> all stores selling software rejects refunds and the software companies

> reject refunds.

>

>

>>>LMFAO. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands on the class action

>>>lawsuit list.

>>

>>Name them? Ain't happening dude.

>

>

> It's happening dude. Google.

>

>

>>>But you're kinda right, Vista is much worse than just "wrong." I'll

>>>save you the laundry list of problems associated with Vista.

>>

>>You're obviously too stupid to use Vista. Take my first advice and get

>>an etch-a-sketch.

>

>

> Vista sucks. It's not an opinion.

 

Yeah and that's all it is.

 

It's a fact.

 

It's only your personal opinion, not a fact.

 

There's a laundry list

> of problems.

 

Not really. Most of them have been fixed thru updates.

 

Tell me, did you enjoy Windows 3.0 back in the day too?

Everything that came before xp sucked .. and so far after.

 

Again, that is only your personal opinion.

 

These are

> facts.

 

Nope...just your opinion.

 

Anyone with OS experience knows this. Obviously you lack

> experience.

 

Let me see if I fully understand your way of reasoning. You can't get

one little install of Vista to run correctly so you open your big fukkin

mouth about suing MS and finally return Vista for a full refund. Of

course you blame MS for your own stupidity and computer incompetence, right?

Whereas I've got over 12 seats of Vista Ultimate running correctly in my

company and for me personally.

Obviously, you're the one with no computer experience or acumen.

>

>

>>I'd recommend you get one loser.

>>Frank

>

>

> Give me your shrink's name so I know which one to avoid.

> Steve

 

If you need a "shrink", try google.

Frank

>

On Dec 4, 9:34 am, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

> > Vista sucks. It's not an opinion.

>

> Yeah and that's all it is.

>

> It's a fact.

>

> It's only your personal opinion, not a fact.

>

> There's a laundry list

>

> > of problems.

>

Not true. It's a fact. If it wasn't a fact, MS wouldn't have to

unleash patch after patch. There's are all kinds of proof out there.

Google is your friend.

Again I ask you, was Windows 3.0 a wonderful experience for you too?

> Not really. Most of them have been fixed thru updates.

 

Case n point. Thanks for agreeing.

>

> Tell me, did you enjoy Windows 3.0 back in the day too?

> Everything that came before xp sucked .. and so far after.

>

> Again, that is only your personal opinion.

 

Ok Windows 3.0 rocked. You win.

steve wrote:

> On Dec 4, 9:34 am, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>>Vista sucks. It's not an opinion.

>>

>>Yeah and that's all it is.

>

>

>> It's a fact.

>>

>>It's only your personal opinion, not a fact.

>>

>> There's a laundry list

>>

>>

>>>of problems.

>>

> Not true. It's a fact. If it wasn't a fact, MS wouldn't have to

> unleash patch after patch. There's are all kinds of proof out there.

> Google is your friend.

> Again I ask you, was Windows 3.0 a wonderful experience for you too?

>

>

>>Not really. Most of them have been fixed thru updates.

>

>

> Case n point. Thanks for agreeing.

>

>

>> Tell me, did you enjoy Windows 3.0 back in the day too?

>>Everything that came before xp sucked .. and so far after.

>>

>>Again, that is only your personal opinion.

>

>

> Ok Windows 3.0 rocked. You win.

>

 

No steve, you lost.

Frank

Frank wrote:

> steve wrote:

>> On Dec 3, 9:42 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>

>>> steve wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Dec 2, 10:53 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>>

>>>>> Great! You're lucky it didn't take as long as most mail-in refunds

>>>>> do...like 12+ weeks.

>>>

>>>> 12+ weeks?? Where you live? Turkey? I've had my fair share of refunds.

>>>> Most took a month, some even arrived in 3 weeks.

>>>

>>> Sorry pal, but that just ain't true. 90+days is norm which is why

>>> Congress and many States are trying to outlaw the mail-in rebate

>>> practice.

>>> Oh, I live in So Cal and I'm waiting for 6 mail-ins, all over 45 days

>>> old.

>>

>>

>> Ok, you know when my rebates arrived lol. Rebates should be banned

>> years ago.

>>

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>> So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

>>>

>>>>>> offer a refund and keep his word.

>>>

>>>>> You're pretty stupid aren't you. These types of refunds have been

>>>>> available from most all computer/software manufacturers for yrs.

>>>

>>>> Complete B.S. dude. Most software is non-refundable, in fact this is

>>>> the first software that I was ever able to have a full refund.

>>>

>>> Then you don't know what your doing.

>>

>>

>> Ok wise one, explain to the world how you get software refunds when

>> all stores selling software rejects refunds and the software companies

>> reject refunds.

>>

>>

>>>> LMFAO. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands on the class action

>>>> lawsuit list.

>>>

>>> Name them? Ain't happening dude.

>>

>>

>> It's happening dude. Google.

>>

>>

>>>> But you're kinda right, Vista is much worse than just "wrong." I'll

>>>> save you the laundry list of problems associated with Vista.

>>>

>>> You're obviously too stupid to use Vista. Take my first advice and get

>>> an etch-a-sketch.

>>

>>

>> Vista sucks. It's not an opinion.

>

> Yeah and that's all it is.

>

> It's a fact.

>

> It's only your personal opinion, not a fact.

>

> There's a laundry list

>> of problems.

>

> Not really. Most of them have been fixed thru updates.

>

> Tell me, did you enjoy Windows 3.0 back in the day too?

> Everything that came before xp sucked .. and so far after.

>

> Again, that is only your personal opinion.

>

> These are

>> facts.

>

> Nope...just your opinion.

>

> Anyone with OS experience knows this. Obviously you lack

>> experience.

>

> Let me see if I fully understand your way of reasoning. You can't get

> one little install of Vista to run correctly so you open your big fukkin

> mouth about suing MS and finally return Vista for a full refund. Of

> course you blame MS for your own stupidity and computer incompetence,

> right?

> Whereas I've got over 12 seats of Vista Ultimate running correctly in my

> company and for me personally.

> Obviously, you're the one with no computer experience or acumen.

>>

>>

>>> I'd recommend you get one loser.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Give me your shrink's name so I know which one to avoid.

>> Steve

>

> If you need a "shrink", try google.

> Frank

>>

I wonder if by tweaking frank's statement slightly it can aptly describe

his attitude toward ubuntu:

I want you to fully understand my way of reasoning. I can't get

one little install of ubuntu to run correctly so I open my big fukkin

mouth. Of course, I blame ubuntu for my own stupidity and computer

incompetence. )

 

--

norm

norm wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> steve wrote:

>>

>>> On Dec 3, 9:42 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>>

>>>> steve wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On Dec 2, 10:53 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> Great! You're lucky it didn't take as long as most mail-in refunds

>>>>>> do...like 12+ weeks.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> 12+ weeks?? Where you live? Turkey? I've had my fair share of refunds.

>>>>> Most took a month, some even arrived in 3 weeks.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Sorry pal, but that just ain't true. 90+days is norm which is why

>>>> Congress and many States are trying to outlaw the mail-in rebate

>>>> practice.

>>>> Oh, I live in So Cal and I'm waiting for 6 mail-ins, all over 45

>>>> days old.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Ok, you know when my rebates arrived lol. Rebates should be banned

>>> years ago.

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>> offer a refund and keep his word.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> You're pretty stupid aren't you. These types of refunds have been

>>>>>> available from most all computer/software manufacturers for yrs.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Complete B.S. dude. Most software is non-refundable, in fact this is

>>>>> the first software that I was ever able to have a full refund.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Then you don't know what your doing.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Ok wise one, explain to the world how you get software refunds when

>>> all stores selling software rejects refunds and the software companies

>>> reject refunds.

>>>

>>>

>>>>> LMFAO. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands on the class action

>>>>> lawsuit list.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Name them? Ain't happening dude.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> It's happening dude. Google.

>>>

>>>

>>>>> But you're kinda right, Vista is much worse than just "wrong." I'll

>>>>> save you the laundry list of problems associated with Vista.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You're obviously too stupid to use Vista. Take my first advice and get

>>>> an etch-a-sketch.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Vista sucks. It's not an opinion.

>>

>>

>> Yeah and that's all it is.

>>

>> It's a fact.

>>

>> It's only your personal opinion, not a fact.

>>

>> There's a laundry list

>>

>>> of problems.

>>

>>

>> Not really. Most of them have been fixed thru updates.

>>

>> Tell me, did you enjoy Windows 3.0 back in the day too?

>> Everything that came before xp sucked .. and so far after.

>>

>> Again, that is only your personal opinion.

>>

>> These are

>>

>>> facts.

>>

>>

>> Nope...just your opinion.

>>

>> Anyone with OS experience knows this. Obviously you lack

>>

>>> experience.

>>

>>

>> Let me see if I fully understand your way of reasoning. You can't get

>> one little install of Vista to run correctly so you open your big

>> fukkin mouth about suing MS and finally return Vista for a full

>> refund. Of course you blame MS for your own stupidity and computer

>> incompetence, right?

>> Whereas I've got over 12 seats of Vista Ultimate running correctly in

>> my company and for me personally.

>> Obviously, you're the one with no computer experience or acumen.

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>> I'd recommend you get one loser.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Give me your shrink's name so I know which one to avoid.

>>> Steve

>>

>>

>> If you need a "shrink", try google.

>> Frank

>>

>>>

> I wonder if by tweaking frank's statement slightly it can aptly describe

> his attitude toward ubuntu:

> I want you to fully understand my way of reasoning. I can't get

> one little install of ubuntu to run correctly so I open my big fukkin

> mouth. Of course, I blame ubuntu for my own stupidity and computer

> incompetence. )

>

 

Sorry norm, but I've already had many distros of linux up and running

throughout the years.

I just don't care for it. It is not something that has anything that I

want or need.

It is not easier than Vista to install and anyone who has done both

knows that to be true.

The fact that you cannot run most of the major apps on it is the most

limiting factor of all.

Frank

 

on...I almost forgot. Ubuntu did not recognize my Matrox P750 video card

so I installed it on another box with an ATI card and used it for a few

days till I realized it was just the SOS, only painted up a little

differently.

Currently the only linux distro I have installed is PCLinuxOS, but

haven't booted into it for days. I'm afraid it's also domed to the trash.

Frank wrote:

> norm wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> steve wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Dec 3, 9:42 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> steve wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Dec 2, 10:53 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Great! You're lucky it didn't take as long as most mail-in refunds

>>>>>>> do...like 12+ weeks.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> 12+ weeks?? Where you live? Turkey? I've had my fair share of

>>>>>> refunds.

>>>>>> Most took a month, some even arrived in 3 weeks.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Sorry pal, but that just ain't true. 90+days is norm which is why

>>>>> Congress and many States are trying to outlaw the mail-in rebate

>>>>> practice.

>>>>> Oh, I live in So Cal and I'm waiting for 6 mail-ins, all over 45

>>>>> days old.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Ok, you know when my rebates arrived lol. Rebates should be banned

>>>> years ago.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>> offer a refund and keep his word.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> You're pretty stupid aren't you. These types of refunds have been

>>>>>>> available from most all computer/software manufacturers for yrs.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Complete B.S. dude. Most software is non-refundable, in fact this is

>>>>>> the first software that I was ever able to have a full refund.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Then you don't know what your doing.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Ok wise one, explain to the world how you get software refunds when

>>>> all stores selling software rejects refunds and the software companies

>>>> reject refunds.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> LMFAO. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands on the class action

>>>>>> lawsuit list.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Name them? Ain't happening dude.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> It's happening dude. Google.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> But you're kinda right, Vista is much worse than just "wrong." I'll

>>>>>> save you the laundry list of problems associated with Vista.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> You're obviously too stupid to use Vista. Take my first advice and get

>>>>> an etch-a-sketch.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Vista sucks. It's not an opinion.

>>>

>>>

>>> Yeah and that's all it is.

>>>

>>> It's a fact.

>>>

>>> It's only your personal opinion, not a fact.

>>>

>>> There's a laundry list

>>>

>>>> of problems.

>>>

>>>

>>> Not really. Most of them have been fixed thru updates.

>>>

>>> Tell me, did you enjoy Windows 3.0 back in the day too?

>>> Everything that came before xp sucked .. and so far after.

>>>

>>> Again, that is only your personal opinion.

>>>

>>> These are

>>>

>>>> facts.

>>>

>>>

>>> Nope...just your opinion.

>>>

>>> Anyone with OS experience knows this. Obviously you lack

>>>

>>>> experience.

>>>

>>>

>>> Let me see if I fully understand your way of reasoning. You can't get

>>> one little install of Vista to run correctly so you open your big

>>> fukkin mouth about suing MS and finally return Vista for a full

>>> refund. Of course you blame MS for your own stupidity and computer

>>> incompetence, right?

>>> Whereas I've got over 12 seats of Vista Ultimate running correctly in

>>> my company and for me personally.

>>> Obviously, you're the one with no computer experience or acumen.

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> I'd recommend you get one loser.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Give me your shrink's name so I know which one to avoid.

>>>> Steve

>>>

>>>

>>> If you need a "shrink", try google.

>>> Frank

>>>

>>>>

>> I wonder if by tweaking frank's statement slightly it can aptly

>> describe his attitude toward ubuntu:

>> I want you to fully understand my way of reasoning. I can't get

>> one little install of ubuntu to run correctly so I open my big fukkin

>> mouth. Of course, I blame ubuntu for my own stupidity and computer

>> incompetence. )

>>

>

> Sorry norm, but I've already had many distros of linux up and running

> throughout the years.

> I just don't care for it. It is not something that has anything that I

> want or need.

> It is not easier than Vista to install and anyone who has done both

> knows that to be true.

> The fact that you cannot run most of the major apps on it is the most

> limiting factor of all.

> Frank

>

> on...I almost forgot. Ubuntu did not recognize my Matrox P750 video card

> so I installed it on another box with an ATI card and used it for a few

> days till I realized it was just the SOS, only painted up a little

> differently.

> Currently the only linux distro I have installed is PCLinuxOS, but

> haven't booted into it for days. I'm afraid it's also domed to the trash.

 

I don't disagree that it is not for everyone due to the varied needs of

the user population, both business and private. However, unless one is

tied by business needs or other compelling reasons to use ms and other

commercial products, there is no reason that linux and the open source

offerings should not be thought of as very capable and cost effective

alternatives to many of the commercial products that exist.

--

norm

norm wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> norm wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> steve wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On Dec 3, 9:42 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> steve wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 10:53 pm, Frank <f...@jr.kmo> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Great! You're lucky it didn't take as long as most mail-in refunds

>>>>>>>> do...like 12+ weeks.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 12+ weeks?? Where you live? Turkey? I've had my fair share of

>>>>>>> refunds.

>>>>>>> Most took a month, some even arrived in 3 weeks.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sorry pal, but that just ain't true. 90+days is norm which is why

>>>>>> Congress and many States are trying to outlaw the mail-in rebate

>>>>>> practice.

>>>>>> Oh, I live in So Cal and I'm waiting for 6 mail-ins, all over 45

>>>>>> days old.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Ok, you know when my rebates arrived lol. Rebates should be banned

>>>>> years ago.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So apparently Gates knows Vista blows enough to

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> offer a refund and keep his word.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You're pretty stupid aren't you. These types of refunds have been

>>>>>>>> available from most all computer/software manufacturers for yrs.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Complete B.S. dude. Most software is non-refundable, in fact this is

>>>>>>> the first software that I was ever able to have a full refund.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Then you don't know what your doing.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Ok wise one, explain to the world how you get software refunds when

>>>>> all stores selling software rejects refunds and the software companies

>>>>> reject refunds.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> LMFAO. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands on the class action

>>>>>>> lawsuit list.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Name them? Ain't happening dude.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> It's happening dude. Google.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> But you're kinda right, Vista is much worse than just "wrong." I'll

>>>>>>> save you the laundry list of problems associated with Vista.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You're obviously too stupid to use Vista. Take my first advice and

>>>>>> get

>>>>>> an etch-a-sketch.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Vista sucks. It's not an opinion.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Yeah and that's all it is.

>>>>

>>>> It's a fact.

>>>>

>>>> It's only your personal opinion, not a fact.

>>>>

>>>> There's a laundry list

>>>>

>>>>> of problems.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Not really. Most of them have been fixed thru updates.

>>>>

>>>> Tell me, did you enjoy Windows 3.0 back in the day too?

>>>> Everything that came before xp sucked .. and so far after.

>>>>

>>>> Again, that is only your personal opinion.

>>>>

>>>> These are

>>>>

>>>>> facts.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Nope...just your opinion.

>>>>

>>>> Anyone with OS experience knows this. Obviously you lack

>>>>

>>>>> experience.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Let me see if I fully understand your way of reasoning. You can't

>>>> get one little install of Vista to run correctly so you open your

>>>> big fukkin mouth about suing MS and finally return Vista for a full

>>>> refund. Of course you blame MS for your own stupidity and computer

>>>> incompetence, right?

>>>> Whereas I've got over 12 seats of Vista Ultimate running correctly

>>>> in my company and for me personally.

>>>> Obviously, you're the one with no computer experience or acumen.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> I'd recommend you get one loser.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Give me your shrink's name so I know which one to avoid.

>>>>> Steve

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> If you need a "shrink", try google.

>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>>

>>> I wonder if by tweaking frank's statement slightly it can aptly

>>> describe his attitude toward ubuntu:

>>> I want you to fully understand my way of reasoning. I can't get

>>> one little install of ubuntu to run correctly so I open my big fukkin

>>> mouth. Of course, I blame ubuntu for my own stupidity and computer

>>> incompetence. )

>>>

>>

>> Sorry norm, but I've already had many distros of linux up and running

>> throughout the years.

>> I just don't care for it. It is not something that has anything that I

>> want or need.

>> It is not easier than Vista to install and anyone who has done both

>> knows that to be true.

>> The fact that you cannot run most of the major apps on it is the most

>> limiting factor of all.

>> Frank

>>

>> on...I almost forgot. Ubuntu did not recognize my Matrox P750 video

>> card so I installed it on another box with an ATI card and used it for

>> a few days till I realized it was just the SOS, only painted up a

>> little differently.

>> Currently the only linux distro I have installed is PCLinuxOS, but

>> haven't booted into it for days. I'm afraid it's also domed to the trash.

>

>

> I don't disagree that it is not for everyone due to the varied needs of

> the user population, both business and private. However, unless one is

> tied by business needs or other compelling reasons to use ms and other

> commercial products, there is no reason that linux and the open source

> offerings should not be thought of as very capable and cost effective

> alternatives to many of the commercial products that exist.

 

Then there has to be a compelling reason why they aren't.

Frank

On Dec 4, 10:04 am, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

> No steve, you lost.

> Frank- Hide quoted text -

 

In your words, that's an opinion. Let other's with a little more

intelligence read your responses and posts and see who lost and is

lost..

steve wrote:

> On Dec 4, 10:04 am, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>No steve, you lost.

>>Frank- Hide quoted text -

>

>

> In your words, that's an opinion. Let other's with a little more

> intelligence read your responses and posts and see who lost and is

> lost..

 

You'll get over it...eventually.

Frank

On Dec 4, 4:06 pm, Frank <f...@osspan.clm> wrote:

> You'll get over it...eventually.

> Frank

?

That shrink ain't working for you either.

And I'm still waiting for a response from you on how you get software

refunds.

Then vista sucks is a heavily opinionated opinion. Some people, including

myself, have It working just fine. I typed this completely with the Vista

speech recognition utility. Just FYI

--

"...I fail to understand why they feel the need to convince people

who are happy with Vista that they are wrong. That is aside from the

self-esteem issues they must have -)"

—Mark R. Cusumano

 

 

"Tibery-OS" wrote:

> look, its not my fault that you cannot see that the world is round and not

> flat..

>

> what do you want me to say... its alright to say the world is flat and just

> hush up about the world being round?

>

> No Sir, that will not happen.

>

> I am correct and you will see that I am correct... with time.. or you will

> insist vista is great until you are the only one left who believes so!

>

>

> "Universe_JDJ" <universejdj@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1191408748.149793.158850@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> > On Oct 3, 8:28 pm, "Tibery-OS" <T...@OS.com> wrote:

> >> You dont get it do you? Vista is so badly designed that its unfixable.

> >> Not even with a service pack will vista be saved.

> >>

> >

> > How about you stop your "Vista is evil" preaching and go back to your

> > hole in the ground. If you don't like Vista - that's fine but don't go

> > around posting as if your opinion is the only correct opinion in the

> > world. You instantly dismiss the opinions of others (without any sense

> > of reason whatsoever) and if you don't like Vista, what are you doing

> > in this newsgroup? You aren't helping anyone, and honestly no-one

> > would care if you left.

> >

> >

>

>

>

LOL!

Your jokes are priceless!

Typed with Vista speech recognition.

--

"...I fail to understand why they feel the need to convince people

who are happy with Vista that they are wrong. That is aside from the

self-esteem issues they must have -)"

—Mark R. Cusumano

 

 

"Frank" wrote:

> Tibery-OS wrote:

> > look, its not my fault that you cannot see that the world is round and not

> > flat..

> >

> > what do you want me to say... its alright to say the world is flat and just

> > hush up about the world being round?

> >

> > No Sir, that will not happen.

> >

> > I am correct and you will see that I am correct... with time.. or you will

> > insist vista is great until you are the only one left who believes so!

> >

> >

> > "Universe_JDJ" <universejdj@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > news:1191408748.149793.158850@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> >

> >>On Oct 3, 8:28 pm, "Tibery-OS" <T...@OS.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>>You dont get it do you? Vista is so badly designed that its unfixable.

> >>>Not even with a service pack will vista be saved.

> >>>

> >>

> >>How about you stop your "Vista is evil" preaching and go back to your

> >>hole in the ground. If you don't like Vista - that's fine but don't go

> >>around posting as if your opinion is the only correct opinion in the

> >>world. You instantly dismiss the opinions of others (without any sense

> >>of reason whatsoever) and if you don't like Vista, what are you doing

> >>in this newsgroup? You aren't helping anyone, and honestly no-one

> >>would care if you left.

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

> You're just a fukkin idiot and we all know it.

> Craw back into that cardboard space ship and don't get out again.!

> Frank

>

Been looking into those English classes yet?

--

"...I fail to understand why they feel the need to convince people

who are happy with Vista that they are wrong. That is aside from the

self-esteem issues they must have -)"

—Mark R. Cusumano

 

 

"Kevin Weaver" wrote:

> So ? We all know It's on the way. Question Is *WHEN* ??

>

> Not bad, Going to take them what a year and a half after it was shipped ?

> That should tell you something right there. But in the mean time, we the

> users pay the price.

>

> I've Installed the beta. And thank god it's a beta.

> And removed it less then a hour later.

>

> Sleep still does not work.

>

> "Saucy" <34ckw5d78@d6567.t72231h456.network> wrote in message

> news:%23lTSL1eBIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

> > news:R9RMi.38088$RX.28193@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...

> >> Just letting the truth be known hurts huh ?

> >>

> >> If they fix it then fine. But I don't see that's going to happen.

> >> You think Vista is working like it should > If so, you are a few that do.

> >> Even Microsoft says it's in need of help.

> >>

> >>

> >> "Universe_JDJ" <universejdj@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >> news:1191408748.149793.158850@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> >>> On Oct 3, 8:28 pm, "Tibery-OS" <T...@OS.com> wrote:

> >>>> You dont get it do you? Vista is so badly designed that its unfixable.

> >>>> Not even with a service pack will vista be saved.

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> How about you stop your "Vista is evil" preaching and go back to your

> >>> hole in the ground. If you don't like Vista - that's fine but don't go

> >>> around posting as if your opinion is the only correct opinion in the

> >>> world. You instantly dismiss the opinions of others (without any sense

> >>> of reason whatsoever) and if you don't like Vista, what are you doing

> >>> in this newsgroup? You aren't helping anyone, and honestly no-one

> >>> would care if you left.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

> > Read this:

> >

> > [inside Vista Service Pack 1]

> > http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_sp1_inside.asp

> >

> > Saucy

>

>