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October 4, 200717 yr

gknicks wrote:

> this is America

*This* is an international group, not "America", and you obviously see

fit to exclude most of America, thinking, erroneously, that the USA is

all of America.

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October 4, 200717 yr

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> somehow got his flippers to type message

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> On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:12:34 -0400, "seven" <seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>

>>> Damn, did you even finish the forth grade or maybe you got lead

>>> poisoning or something to retard your mental development?

>>>

>>

>>Quackers, even your numb brain must see the format of the post I replied

>>too.

>>Keep up, old timer.

>

> quack, quack ...quack quack quack.

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October 4, 200717 yr

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Found this in another newsgroup...

>

> A very successful lawyer parked his brand new Porsche Carrera GT in

> front of the office, ready to show it off to his colleagues. As he got

> out, a truck came along too close to the curb and completely tore off

> the driver's door.

>

> Fortunately, a cop in a police car was close enough to see the accident

> and pulled up behind the Porsche , his lights flashing. But, before the

> cop had a chance to ask any questions, the lawyer started screaming

> hysterically about how his Porsche, which he had just picked up the day

> before, was now completely ruined and would never be the same, no matter

> how hard the body shop tries to make it new again.

>

> After the lawyer finally wound down from his rant, the cop shook his

> head in disgust and disbelief. "I can't believe how materialistic you

> lawyers are," he said. "You are so focused on your possessions that you

> neglect the most important things in life"

>

> "How can you say such a thing?" asked the lawyer.

>

> The cop replied, "Don't you even realize that your left arm is missing?

> It got ripped off when the truck hit you!!!"

>

> "OH, MY GOD!" screamed the lawyer.

> .

> "MY ROLEX!"

Interesting, seems to fit current Microsoft to a T.

Their considerations for VistaSP2 should be in SP1,

that only takes a few hours to recompile (as anyone who

actually compiled anything would know) and some days

to debug/edit the useless features out (or gui them).

The actual SP2 should include a switch for offline

versus online security which enables/disables all these

new features by client preference not hardcoded errors.

As far as Server 2008 is concerned Charlie..

by the time everything surplus is turned off you

end up with a 6gb install base for 800mb of code,

and still use +300mb of ram for < 128 mb workload,

(that's with goodies already turned off)

at least it supports DX10 and dynamic drive sizing.

<sigh> It does look a bit cleaner than Vista and

does run fine otherwise (shutdown bugs still there).

Put Windows XPsp2 on new hardware, run in a vbox

and add some portable open source Server container.

then maybe add more ram so it's fast and a bit secure.

Don't expect headless security. <heh>

You could learn how to write code and make your

own repairs faster than Microsoft will come out

with anything useful (at this point) since it

appears that so much of Vista may be outsourced

that it's just a bunch of clueless newbies anyway.

India has outsource depots that train fresh

students to code in six months or less...

I'd say Win2000 Server (if you have one) could be

used in a vbox, the days of relying on Microsoft

for anything have hit the dirt hard with the only

thing saving them is directx imho which actually

does work...consider letting DX team run MS.

I still consider WinXP a step backwards from Vista,

although porting DX8 or better to Ubuntu seems to

be a viable option at this point. More than half

of my day is spent on MS OS's using open sourced

utilities and tools anyway, a one gb download for

a waik kit and an open sourced tool less than 4mb

does all I need for MS deployment..I am shocked.

NT Canuck

'Seek and ye shall find'

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October 4, 200717 yr

Charlie Tame wrote:

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> A very successful lawyer parked his brand new Porsche Carrera GT in

> front of the office, ready to show it off to his colleagues. As he got

> out, a truck came along too close to the curb and completely tore off

> the driver's door.

>

> Fortunately, a cop in a police car was close enough to see the accident

> and pulled up behind the Porsche , his lights flashing. But, before the

> cop had a chance to ask any questions, the lawyer started screaming

> hysterically about how his Porsche, which he had just picked up the day

> before, was now completely ruined and would never be the same, no matter

> how hard the body shop tries to make it new again.

>

> After the lawyer finally wound down from his rant, the cop shook his

> head in disgust and disbelief. "I can't believe how materialistic you

> lawyers are," he said. "You are so focused on your possessions that you

> neglect the most important things in life"

>

> "How can you say such a thing?" asked the lawyer.

>

> The cop replied, "Don't you even realize that your left arm is missing?

> It got ripped off when the truck hit you!!!"

>

> "OH, MY GOD!" screamed the lawyer.

> .

> "MY ROLEX!"

Hehe! :D

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October 4, 200717 yr

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fdvv3p$7jf$1@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:fdvsrk$m1$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Off the top of my head, here are some of the defects:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> WPA

>>>>>>> WGA

>>>>>>> WGA/N

>>>>>>> UAC

>>>>>>> Indexing

>>>>>>> "Search"

>>>>>>

>>>>>> All the above are product features not defects - unless you can

>>>>>> state some specific areas where that feature breaks or is

>>>>>> defective (your personal opinion as to the use of WGA or WPA

>>>>>> should exist are not relevent) then these are not valid.

>>>>>

>>>>> I consider these additions to be unnecessary and cause grief to the

>>>>> end user. That, I would say, is a defect.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> No - not a defect - you person opinion as to if you like a feature

>>>> or function is not valid as defect. A defect is a feature or

>>>> function that does not perform as designed etc.

>>>

>>> OK, not your definition of a defect but unnecessary and causes grief

>>> to the end user, which, to me, is a defect.

>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No Compiz-Fusion

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sorry no idea what that means

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.google.com

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> So again more UI nonsense and thus a feature request and not a defect.

>>>

>>> Not up to par better?

>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Clunky, fixed Windows

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Look and feel of the OS is not a defect but a design decision and

>>>>>> does not impact functionality of the product.

>>>>>

>>>>> It ain't groovy and I like my computer to be groovy.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> But again NOT a defect. Just you want a fancier UI then aero. This

>>>> is just a product request and thus no basis for a class action suit

>>>> or general bitches about the product being defective.

>>>

>>> I said a class action suit is stupid, remember? Let's use "not up to

>>> par" instead of defect, OK?

>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> IE7

>>>>>>> WMP 11

>>>>>>> DRM

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Again just features or technologies - you have not stated what the

>>>>>> defect is.

>>>>>

>>>>> DRM and IE7 is so virus prone, clunky and ugly.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Clucky/Ugly are not defects - that is user perception UI likes or

>>>> dislikes.

>>>

>>> A users likes and dislikes have a lot to do with whether a user will

>>> purchase something or not. I would say that it is not up to par.

>>>

>>>> Attack surface opportunities are not actually defects in most cases

>>>> - but you could make some claim that they are holes/bugs in the OS

>>>> that allow malicious code execution. These defects are however

>>>> addressed in fixes so probably not a great case.

>>>

>>> LOL! Windows boxes, in the hundreds of thousands, are part of herd

>>> bots and you're saying that Windows is secure? That's rich.

>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Price is waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in Europe, i.e., over 800 US

>>>>>>> Dollars for Ultimate Retail.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Windows Ultimate Retail is about £234.04 (UK) which is appox$450 USD.

>>>>>> I see no problem with that as retail US is $319.99 (USD)

>>>>>> [source UK - http://www.ebuyer.com , US - http://www.newegg.com]

>>>>>> Of course price comparison is tricky at the moment with USD being

>>>>>> so week against other currencies e.g. $1 USD is now £0.45 UK

>>>>>

>>>>> In Spain, it costs over 800 US dollars for Windows Ultimate Retail.

>>>>> This is a rip off.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> UK - £312 - $620

>>>> Spain - £395 (http://www.elcorteingles.es) $790

>>>> US - $320

>>>

>>> El Corte Inglés:

>>>

>>> http://www.elcorteingles.es/informatica/producto/producto_lst.asp?tlst=00000007&tsel=2&tmar=000000001&orden=&letra=&pagina=2

>>>

>>> Windows Vista Ultimate

>>> Marca: Microsoft

>>>

>>> Windows Vista Ultimate es la mejor edición de Windows Vista, con la

>>> potencia, seguridad y movilidad necesaria para el trabajo, y las

>>> posibilidades de... (Leer más)

>>> Precio Habitual:

>>> 599 euros

>>> Desc. (5%): 29,95

>>> Precio oferta: 569,05 euros

>>> 94.682 PTA

>>> 845,61 USD

>>>

>>>> Well there are always interesting issues with price - but it is

>>>> still not a product defect.

>>>> You can always shop online and internationally.

>>>

>>> No US online company that I know of will ship to Spain and let you

>>> pay the dollar price. They've jumped on the charge them more if they

>>> use euros or pounds bandwagon.

>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No 3D Cube

>>>>>>> Only one desktop

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Neither of these are defects - they are just UI features that are

>>>>>> not in the product. This is no more a defect then one car having

>>>>>> a sun roof and the other having air conditioning.

>>>>>

>>>>> Not having more than one desktop is a defect. No 3D cube isn't groovy.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> NO again -you cannot claim a defect for a design decision and

>>>> functionality - such as multiple desktop tops and other UI features

>>>> that other operating systems or UI layers on top of other platforms

>>>> may have. Is your Pickup truck defective because it does not have a

>>>> Ferrari 530 body ?

>>>

>>> OK, not up to par, then. Defect is a bad word to use.

>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The need for a high end computer to run it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Again not a defect - Windows Vista Basic has an extremely low

>>>>>> minimum specification. And an increase in required spec is not a

>>>>>> defect for a new product with greater features and functionality

>>>>>> over the previous version. You might as well say Windows XP is

>>>>>> defective when you compare the min requirements to those of

>>>>>> Windows 3.1.

>>>>>

>>>>> The latest Ubuntu need not be run on a high end computer. If Open

>>>>> Source can do it, why can't MS?

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> SO WHAT !!! - this is not Ubuntu or MacOS etc this is Windows - the

>>>> minimum spec is specific to this product so again you cannot call

>>>> "defect" as you cannot compare it to another OS in those terms. (My

>>>> truck runs on diesel, but my Ferrari uses high octane petrol -

>>>> neither is in defect they are both motor vehicles but obviously not

>>>> the same)

>>>

>>> OK, not up to par then.

>>>

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That said, a class action suit is stupid. If one doesn't want or

>>>>>>> like Vista, there are plenty of better alternatives including XP.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Indeed.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>

>>>> You are just not getting this - Windows Vista is not Ubuntu or MacOS

>>>> or any other operating system - (or OS plus a choice of layer UI

>>>> bits and pieces) - it is Windows Vista. It is no good stamping your

>>>> feet and saying it does not do this if it was never designed to do

>>>> that or saying it should do this because the totally different

>>>> product can do it.

>>>> This thread was about a person claim that Windows is "defective" -

>>>> so far neither you or anyone else has yet to actually make a valid

>>>> case for this.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Right, it isn't defective but not up to par and is not on the

>>> bleeding edge of computing by any stretch of the imagination. It's

>>> just MS pushing out an obsolete OS to make money.

>>>

>>

>> How would you even know. You don't have Vista.

>

> I bought Vista months ago and posted about it. Please try to keep up.

>

>> So stop the lies.

>> Frank

>

> You're the liar.

You don't have Vista installed do you?

No lies!

Frank

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October 4, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:12:36 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>Tibery-OS wrote:

>

>>>Now if you cannot understand what the heck im talking about, well you are a

>>>total idiot!

>>>

>>

>>Fukk, you have no idea what you're talking about, you friggn moron!

>>Frank

>

> Frank, were you dropped on your head when you still were a small

> child? I'm trying to find a valid excuse for you always acting like a

> babbling baboon that has Rabies.

>

> Apparently you need to have something repeated over and over in rapid

> succession before it has a chance to penetrate that cement block that

> passes for your head. So simply saying once what this newsgroup

> collectively thinks of you apparently isn't getting through to you.

>

> So in an attempt to reach you this little video snip repeats the

> message over and over, more than a hundred times. Do listen and learn

> Frank. It is what we all think of you constant ranting and raving.

>

> WARNING Contains loads of ADULT LANGUAGE all just for Frank, the

> newsgroup moron.

>

You're falling down slobbering drunk again aren't you georgie-boy.

Loser.

Frank

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October 4, 200717 yr

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Tibery-OS" <Tib@OS.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:470370b6$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>

>>>>> Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to know

>>>>>

>>>>> What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?

>>>>>

>>>>> Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of vista

>>>>> is too well integrated with that darn OS.

>>>>>

>>>>> If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch THEN

>>>>> we might be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not rewrites...

>>>>> the mainly fix some issues,

>>>>> and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont be

>>>>> adding anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and

>>>>> simply cannot go back now!

>>>>>

>>>>> The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an OS

>>>>> should be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS had

>>>>> the experience but Vista shows

>>>>> that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of

>>>>> collages, or the people guiding the teams were new to this and have

>>>>> no idea what people want.

>>>>>

>>>>> Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...

>>>>>

>>>>> so look ahead into a better and brighter future..

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> He is asking for a class action suit and cannot (as yet) actually

>>>> justify his claims of defects.

>>>> Unless he can come back with a detailed list of so called defects he

>>>> does not have a case.

>>>> You are not helping either as again you are just using the the

>>>> "vista sucks and that's all you have to know" acquisition against

>>>> the product. Again meaningless ,so yes we would all like to see

>>>> that list of defects provide in detail and not just some this

>>>> doesn't work like it did in XP or it's "stupid" childish approaches.

>>>>

>>>> Microsoft do not have to withdrawn anything to get you to provide

>>>> "detailed answers" if you don't provide it now how do you expect

>>>> anyone (including Microsoft) to actually understand what your

>>>> problems are then triage them for fixing etc.

>>>> Again it is no good stamping your feet like a petulant child and

>>>> saying "they have to rewrite it" and yet not provide the detail

>>>> anyone would expect for such as demand or a class action suit.

>>>>

>>>> Please by all means when you provide the detail of defects - also

>>>> include your better then Microsoft's understanding of "the very idea

>>>> about what an OS should be"

>>>> So lets have the detail of defects and then your view of an OS.

>>>> It really is as simple as if you cannot provide the list of defects

>>>> then you might as well refrain from any further postulating with

>>>> "vista is doomed .. dead" etc.

>>>

>>> Off the top of my head, here are some of the defects:

>>>

>>> WPA

>>> WGA

>>> WGA/N

>>> UAC

>>> Indexing

>>> "Search"

>>> No Compiz-Fusion

>>> Clunky, fixed Windows

>>> IE7

>>> WMP 11

>>> DRM

>>> Price is waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in Europe, i.e., over 800 US Dollars

>>> for Ultimate Retail.

>>> No 3D Cube

>>> Only one desktop

>>> The need for a high end computer to run it.

>>>

>>> That said, a class action suit is stupid. If one doesn't want or like

>>> Vista, there are plenty of better alternatives including XP.

>>>

>>

>> Fukk you!

>

> No thanks. Sorry, I prefer women.

>

>> You don't have, nor have you ever had, Vista installed on your computer.

>

> False. I had it installed and it was so horrible I removed it and

> replaced it with a dual boot of XP and Ubuntu.

>

>> So what you post is nothing but more of your lies.

>> Loser.

>> Frank

>

> Care to refute the issues or merely bluster about and hurl insults? Oh,

> I forgot, you haven't been able to refute anyone here so why should I

> expect you to start now?

>

Like I said liar...you don't have Vista installed!

Get lost. Leave...don't come back again as*hole.

Frank

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October 4, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:04:39 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>>>Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>

>>>>"Tibery-OS" <Tib@OS.com> wrote in message

>>>>news:470370b6$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>

>>>>>Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to know

>>>>>

>>>>>What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?

>>>>>

>>>>>Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of vista

>>>>>is too well integrated with that darn OS.

>>>>>

>>>>>If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch THEN

>>>>>we might be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not rewrites...

>>>>>the mainly fix some issues,

>>>>>and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont be

>>>>>adding anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and simply

>>>>>cannot go back now!

>>>>>

>>>>>The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an OS

>>>>>should be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS had the

>>>>>experience but Vista shows

>>>>>that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of

>>>>>collages, or the people guiding the teams were new to this and have

>>>>>no idea what people want.

>>>>>

>>>>>Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...

>>>>>

>>>>>so look ahead into a better and brighter future..

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>He is asking for a class action suit and cannot (as yet) actually

>>>>justify his claims of defects.

>>>>Unless he can come back with a detailed list of so called defects he

>>>>does not have a case.

>>>>You are not helping either as again you are just using the the "vista

>>>>sucks and that's all you have to know" acquisition against the

>>>>product. Again meaningless ,so yes we would all like to see that list

>>>>of defects provide in detail and not just some this doesn't work like

>>>>it did in XP or it's "stupid" childish approaches.

>>>>

>>>>Microsoft do not have to withdrawn anything to get you to provide

>>>>"detailed answers" if you don't provide it now how do you expect

>>>>anyone (including Microsoft) to actually understand what your problems

>>>>are then triage them for fixing etc.

>>>>Again it is no good stamping your feet like a petulant child and

>>>>saying "they have to rewrite it" and yet not provide the detail anyone

>>>>would expect for such as demand or a class action suit.

>>>>

>>>>Please by all means when you provide the detail of defects - also

>>>>include your better then Microsoft's understanding of "the very idea

>>>>about what an OS should be"

>>>>So lets have the detail of defects and then your view of an OS.

>>>>It really is as simple as if you cannot provide the list of defects

>>>>then you might as well refrain from any further postulating with

>>>>"vista is doomed .. dead" etc.

>>>

>>>Off the top of my head, here are some of the defects:

>>>

>>>WPA

>>>WGA

>>>WGA/N

>>>UAC

>>>Indexing

>>>"Search"

>>>No Compiz-Fusion

>>>Clunky, fixed Windows

>>>IE7

>>>WMP 11

>>>DRM

>>>Price is waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in Europe, i.e., over 800 US Dollars

>>>for Ultimate Retail.

>>>No 3D Cube

>>>Only one desktop

>>>The need for a high end computer to run it.

>>>

>>>That said, a class action suit is stupid. If one doesn't want or like

>>>Vista, there are plenty of better alternatives including XP.

>>>

>>

>>Fukk you! You don't have, nor have you ever had, Vista installed on your

>>computer. So what you post is nothing but more of your lies.

>>Loser.

>>Frank

>

> Hey Frank, you keeping telling us that you have Vista installed on 11

> computers and you lie 11 times as much. Damn Frank, did anybody remind

> you today what a a-hole you always act like? Well now they have. LOL!

>

Hey adam as*hole...I see that now everyone is enjoying kicking your

stupid fat arse all over this ng. In fact, you've become the ng whipping

boy...hahaha...and you so deserve it.

Frank

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> One doesn't have to jump off a 50 story building to know that it

>>> isn't a good idea.

>>

>> Is that the same "logic" that has led you to live a Godless life?

>

> Does this mean that you think that jumping off a 50 story building is a

> good idea?

Is that your stupidly ignorant and very childish unrelated analogy?

You're really that dumb aren't you.

>

>> Are you suggesting that one should just blindly buy something

>>

>>> without researching it first?

>>

>> How stupid you sound of late.

>> Frank

>

> Does this mean you blindly buy things without researching them first?

hehehe...ok alias...you actually think jumping off a 50 story building

is the same as buying software without "researching" it? And what does

"researching" software mean? Software reacts differently to various

hardware setups...I guess you didn't know that.

Your logic is flawed and you're a fringe atheist person and it's obvious

that it permeates your every though and action.

Frank

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> hehehe...ok alias...you actually think jumping off a 50 story building

> is the same as buying software without "researching" it? And what does

> "researching" software mean? Software reacts differently to various

> hardware setups...I guess you didn't know that.

> Your logic is flawed and you're a fringe atheist person and it's obvious

Athiests are good, Vista is bad.

Oh oh I can smell the smokin keyboards now!

Microsoft is evil (if one still believes in a god)

and just plain greedy for those who don't.

Greed is bad because it benifits the one at

the expense of the many. This is harmful to the

species as we try to keep our planet alive today.

Vista sux

Greed sux

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October 4, 200717 yr

"Soundchaser" <none@fyour.business> wrote in message

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>> hehehe...ok alias...you actually think jumping off a 50 story building

>> is the same as buying software without "researching" it? And what does

>> "researching" software mean? Software reacts differently to various

>> hardware setups...I guess you didn't know that.

>> Your logic is flawed and you're a fringe atheist person and it's obvious

>

> Athiests are good, Vista is bad.

> Oh oh I can smell the smokin keyboards now!

> Microsoft is evil (if one still believes in a god)

> and just plain greedy for those who don't.

> Greed is bad because it benifits the one at

> the expense of the many. This is harmful to the

> species as we try to keep our planet alive today.

> Vista sux

> Greed sux

>

" Greed is bad because it benifits the one at

the expense of the many. "

Really?

So, only one individual at Microsoft drawls a paycheck?

If capitalism isn't your thing...live in a cave, eat raw fish, lick lichen

off of rocks.

Sell your PC so you can give the money to people who don't eat properly.

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Soundchaser wrote:

>>hehehe...ok alias...you actually think jumping off a 50 story building

>>is the same as buying software without "researching" it? And what does

>>"researching" software mean? Software reacts differently to various

>>hardware setups...I guess you didn't know that.

>>Your logic is flawed and you're a fringe atheist person and it's obvious

>

> Athiests are good, Vista is bad.

> Oh oh I can smell the smokin keyboards now!

> Microsoft is evil (if one still believes in a god)

> and just plain greedy for those who don't.

> Greed is bad because it benifits the one at

> the expense of the many. This is harmful to the

> species as we try to keep our planet alive today.

> Vista sux

> Greed sux

>

And you sux!

Frank

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October 4, 200717 yr

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fdvv3p$7jf$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fdvsrk$m1$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Off the top of my head, here are some of the defects:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> WPA

>>>>>>>> WGA

>>>>>>>> WGA/N

>>>>>>>> UAC

>>>>>>>> Indexing

>>>>>>>> "Search"

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> All the above are product features not defects - unless you can

>>>>>>> state some specific areas where that feature breaks or is

>>>>>>> defective (your personal opinion as to the use of WGA or WPA

>>>>>>> should exist are not relevent) then these are not valid.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I consider these additions to be unnecessary and cause grief to

>>>>>> the end user. That, I would say, is a defect.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> No - not a defect - you person opinion as to if you like a feature

>>>>> or function is not valid as defect. A defect is a feature or

>>>>> function that does not perform as designed etc.

>>>>

>>>> OK, not your definition of a defect but unnecessary and causes grief

>>>> to the end user, which, to me, is a defect.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> No Compiz-Fusion

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Sorry no idea what that means

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.google.com

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> So again more UI nonsense and thus a feature request and not a defect.

>>>>

>>>> Not up to par better?

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Clunky, fixed Windows

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Look and feel of the OS is not a defect but a design decision and

>>>>>>> does not impact functionality of the product.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It ain't groovy and I like my computer to be groovy.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> But again NOT a defect. Just you want a fancier UI then aero.

>>>>> This is just a product request and thus no basis for a class action

>>>>> suit or general bitches about the product being defective.

>>>>

>>>> I said a class action suit is stupid, remember? Let's use "not up to

>>>> par" instead of defect, OK?

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> IE7

>>>>>>>> WMP 11

>>>>>>>> DRM

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Again just features or technologies - you have not stated what

>>>>>>> the defect is.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> DRM and IE7 is so virus prone, clunky and ugly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Clucky/Ugly are not defects - that is user perception UI likes or

>>>>> dislikes.

>>>>

>>>> A users likes and dislikes have a lot to do with whether a user will

>>>> purchase something or not. I would say that it is not up to par.

>>>>

>>>>> Attack surface opportunities are not actually defects in most cases

>>>>> - but you could make some claim that they are holes/bugs in the OS

>>>>> that allow malicious code execution. These defects are however

>>>>> addressed in fixes so probably not a great case.

>>>>

>>>> LOL! Windows boxes, in the hundreds of thousands, are part of herd

>>>> bots and you're saying that Windows is secure? That's rich.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Price is waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in Europe, i.e., over 800 US

>>>>>>>> Dollars for Ultimate Retail.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Windows Ultimate Retail is about £234.04 (UK) which is appox$450

>>>>>>> USD.

>>>>>>> I see no problem with that as retail US is $319.99 (USD)

>>>>>>> [source UK - http://www.ebuyer.com , US - http://www.newegg.com]

>>>>>>> Of course price comparison is tricky at the moment with USD being

>>>>>>> so week against other currencies e.g. $1 USD is now £0.45 UK

>>>>>>

>>>>>> In Spain, it costs over 800 US dollars for Windows Ultimate

>>>>>> Retail. This is a rip off.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> UK - £312 - $620

>>>>> Spain - £395 (http://www.elcorteingles.es) $790

>>>>> US - $320

>>>>

>>>> El Corte Inglés:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.elcorteingles.es/informatica/producto/producto_lst.asp?tlst=00000007&tsel=2&tmar=000000001&orden=&letra=&pagina=2

>>>>

>>>> Windows Vista Ultimate

>>>> Marca: Microsoft

>>>>

>>>> Windows Vista Ultimate es la mejor edición de Windows Vista, con la

>>>> potencia, seguridad y movilidad necesaria para el trabajo, y las

>>>> posibilidades de... (Leer más)

>>>> Precio Habitual:

>>>> 599 euros

>>>> Desc. (5%): 29,95

>>>> Precio oferta: 569,05 euros

>>>> 94.682 PTA

>>>> 845,61 USD

>>>>

>>>>> Well there are always interesting issues with price - but it is

>>>>> still not a product defect.

>>>>> You can always shop online and internationally.

>>>>

>>>> No US online company that I know of will ship to Spain and let you

>>>> pay the dollar price. They've jumped on the charge them more if they

>>>> use euros or pounds bandwagon.

>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> No 3D Cube

>>>>>>>> Only one desktop

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Neither of these are defects - they are just UI features that are

>>>>>>> not in the product. This is no more a defect then one car having

>>>>>>> a sun roof and the other having air conditioning.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Not having more than one desktop is a defect. No 3D cube isn't

>>>>>> groovy.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> NO again -you cannot claim a defect for a design decision and

>>>>> functionality - such as multiple desktop tops and other UI features

>>>>> that other operating systems or UI layers on top of other platforms

>>>>> may have. Is your Pickup truck defective because it does not have a

>>>>> Ferrari 530 body ?

>>>>

>>>> OK, not up to par, then. Defect is a bad word to use.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The need for a high end computer to run it.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Again not a defect - Windows Vista Basic has an extremely low

>>>>>>> minimum specification. And an increase in required spec is not a

>>>>>>> defect for a new product with greater features and functionality

>>>>>>> over the previous version. You might as well say Windows XP is

>>>>>>> defective when you compare the min requirements to those of

>>>>>>> Windows 3.1.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The latest Ubuntu need not be run on a high end computer. If Open

>>>>>> Source can do it, why can't MS?

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> SO WHAT !!! - this is not Ubuntu or MacOS etc this is Windows - the

>>>>> minimum spec is specific to this product so again you cannot call

>>>>> "defect" as you cannot compare it to another OS in those terms. (My

>>>>> truck runs on diesel, but my Ferrari uses high octane petrol -

>>>>> neither is in defect they are both motor vehicles but obviously not

>>>>> the same)

>>>>

>>>> OK, not up to par then.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That said, a class action suit is stupid. If one doesn't want or

>>>>>>>> like Vista, there are plenty of better alternatives including XP.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Indeed.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>

>>>>> You are just not getting this - Windows Vista is not Ubuntu or

>>>>> MacOS or any other operating system - (or OS plus a choice of layer

>>>>> UI bits and pieces) - it is Windows Vista. It is no good stamping

>>>>> your feet and saying it does not do this if it was never designed

>>>>> to do that or saying it should do this because the totally

>>>>> different product can do it.

>>>>> This thread was about a person claim that Windows is "defective" -

>>>>> so far neither you or anyone else has yet to actually make a valid

>>>>> case for this.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Right, it isn't defective but not up to par and is not on the

>>>> bleeding edge of computing by any stretch of the imagination. It's

>>>> just MS pushing out an obsolete OS to make money.

>>>>

>>>

>>> How would you even know. You don't have Vista.

>>

>> I bought Vista months ago and posted about it. Please try to keep up.

>>

>>> So stop the lies.

>>> Frank

>>

>> You're the liar.

>

> You don't have Vista installed do you?

I bought Vista months ago and posted about it. Please try to keep up.

> No lies!

> Frank

Lies are your forte, Frank, as well as projecting your faults on others,

typical of Christians.

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Tibery-OS" <Tib@OS.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:470370b6$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to know

>>>>>>

>>>>>> What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of vista

>>>>>> is too well integrated with that darn OS.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch

>>>>>> THEN we might be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not

>>>>>> rewrites... the mainly fix some issues,

>>>>>> and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont be

>>>>>> adding anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and

>>>>>> simply cannot go back now!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an OS

>>>>>> should be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS had

>>>>>> the experience but Vista shows

>>>>>> that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of

>>>>>> collages, or the people guiding the teams were new to this and

>>>>>> have no idea what people want.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> so look ahead into a better and brighter future..

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> He is asking for a class action suit and cannot (as yet) actually

>>>>> justify his claims of defects.

>>>>> Unless he can come back with a detailed list of so called defects

>>>>> he does not have a case.

>>>>> You are not helping either as again you are just using the the

>>>>> "vista sucks and that's all you have to know" acquisition against

>>>>> the product. Again meaningless ,so yes we would all like to see

>>>>> that list of defects provide in detail and not just some this

>>>>> doesn't work like it did in XP or it's "stupid" childish approaches.

>>>>>

>>>>> Microsoft do not have to withdrawn anything to get you to provide

>>>>> "detailed answers" if you don't provide it now how do you expect

>>>>> anyone (including Microsoft) to actually understand what your

>>>>> problems are then triage them for fixing etc.

>>>>> Again it is no good stamping your feet like a petulant child and

>>>>> saying "they have to rewrite it" and yet not provide the detail

>>>>> anyone would expect for such as demand or a class action suit.

>>>>>

>>>>> Please by all means when you provide the detail of defects - also

>>>>> include your better then Microsoft's understanding of "the very

>>>>> idea about what an OS should be"

>>>>> So lets have the detail of defects and then your view of an OS.

>>>>> It really is as simple as if you cannot provide the list of defects

>>>>> then you might as well refrain from any further postulating with

>>>>> "vista is doomed .. dead" etc.

>>>>

>>>> Off the top of my head, here are some of the defects:

>>>>

>>>> WPA

>>>> WGA

>>>> WGA/N

>>>> UAC

>>>> Indexing

>>>> "Search"

>>>> No Compiz-Fusion

>>>> Clunky, fixed Windows

>>>> IE7

>>>> WMP 11

>>>> DRM

>>>> Price is waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in Europe, i.e., over 800 US

>>>> Dollars for Ultimate Retail.

>>>> No 3D Cube

>>>> Only one desktop

>>>> The need for a high end computer to run it.

>>>>

>>>> That said, a class action suit is stupid. If one doesn't want or

>>>> like Vista, there are plenty of better alternatives including XP.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Fukk you!

>>

>> No thanks. Sorry, I prefer women.

>>

>>> You don't have, nor have you ever had, Vista installed on your computer.

>>

>> False. I had it installed and it was so horrible I removed it and

>> replaced it with a dual boot of XP and Ubuntu.

>>

>>> So what you post is nothing but more of your lies.

>>> Loser.

>>> Frank

>>

>> Care to refute the issues or merely bluster about and hurl insults?

>> Oh, I forgot, you haven't been able to refute anyone here so why

>> should I expect you to start now?

>>

>

> Like I said liar...you don't have Vista installed!

I did and it was horrible. I removed it.

> Get lost. Leave...don't come back again as*hole.

> Frank

No. If you really want this newsgroup to improve, you should either

learn some manners or leave.

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> One doesn't have to jump off a 50 story building to know that it

>>>> isn't a good idea.

>>>

>>> Is that the same "logic" that has led you to live a Godless life?

>>

>> Does this mean that you think that jumping off a 50 story building is

>> a good idea?

>

> Is that your stupidly ignorant and very childish unrelated analogy?

> You're really that dumb aren't you.

>>

>>> Are you suggesting that one should just blindly buy something

>>>

>>>> without researching it first?

>>>

>>> How stupid you sound of late.

>>> Frank

>>

>> Does this mean you blindly buy things without researching them first?

>

> hehehe...ok alias...you actually think jumping off a 50 story building

> is the same as buying software without "researching" it? And what does

> "researching" software mean? Software reacts differently to various

> hardware setups...I guess you didn't know that.

> Your logic is flawed and you're a fringe atheist person and it's obvious

> that it permeates your every though and action.

> Frank

>

No, the analogy just flew right over your head and you reacted, as you

always do, with lies, insults and bluster.

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:fdvv3p$7jf$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:fdvsrk$m1$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Off the top of my head, here are some of the defects:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> WPA

>>>>>>>>> WGA

>>>>>>>>> WGA/N

>>>>>>>>> UAC

>>>>>>>>> Indexing

>>>>>>>>> "Search"

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> All the above are product features not defects - unless you can

>>>>>>>> state some specific areas where that feature breaks or is

>>>>>>>> defective (your personal opinion as to the use of WGA or WPA

>>>>>>>> should exist are not relevent) then these are not valid.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I consider these additions to be unnecessary and cause grief to

>>>>>>> the end user. That, I would say, is a defect.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No - not a defect - you person opinion as to if you like a feature

>>>>>> or function is not valid as defect. A defect is a feature or

>>>>>> function that does not perform as designed etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> OK, not your definition of a defect but unnecessary and causes

>>>>> grief to the end user, which, to me, is a defect.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> No Compiz-Fusion

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Sorry no idea what that means

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://www.google.com

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So again more UI nonsense and thus a feature request and not a

>>>>>> defect.

>>>>>

>>>>> Not up to par better?

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Clunky, fixed Windows

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Look and feel of the OS is not a defect but a design decision

>>>>>>>> and does not impact functionality of the product.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It ain't groovy and I like my computer to be groovy.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> But again NOT a defect. Just you want a fancier UI then aero.

>>>>>> This is just a product request and thus no basis for a class

>>>>>> action suit or general bitches about the product being defective.

>>>>>

>>>>> I said a class action suit is stupid, remember? Let's use "not up

>>>>> to par" instead of defect, OK?

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> IE7

>>>>>>>>> WMP 11

>>>>>>>>> DRM

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Again just features or technologies - you have not stated what

>>>>>>>> the defect is.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> DRM and IE7 is so virus prone, clunky and ugly.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Clucky/Ugly are not defects - that is user perception UI likes or

>>>>>> dislikes.

>>>>>

>>>>> A users likes and dislikes have a lot to do with whether a user

>>>>> will purchase something or not. I would say that it is not up to par.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Attack surface opportunities are not actually defects in most

>>>>>> cases - but you could make some claim that they are holes/bugs in

>>>>>> the OS that allow malicious code execution. These defects are

>>>>>> however addressed in fixes so probably not a great case.

>>>>>

>>>>> LOL! Windows boxes, in the hundreds of thousands, are part of herd

>>>>> bots and you're saying that Windows is secure? That's rich.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Price is waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in Europe, i.e., over 800 US

>>>>>>>>> Dollars for Ultimate Retail.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Windows Ultimate Retail is about £234.04 (UK) which is appox$450

>>>>>>>> USD.

>>>>>>>> I see no problem with that as retail US is $319.99 (USD)

>>>>>>>> [source UK - http://www.ebuyer.com , US - http://www.newegg.com]

>>>>>>>> Of course price comparison is tricky at the moment with USD

>>>>>>>> being so week against other currencies e.g. $1 USD is now £0.45 UK

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In Spain, it costs over 800 US dollars for Windows Ultimate

>>>>>>> Retail. This is a rip off.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> UK - £312 - $620

>>>>>> Spain - £395 (http://www.elcorteingles.es) $790

>>>>>> US - $320

>>>>>

>>>>> El Corte Inglés:

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.elcorteingles.es/informatica/producto/producto_lst.asp?tlst=00000007&tsel=2&tmar=000000001&orden=&letra=&pagina=2

>>>>>

>>>>> Windows Vista Ultimate

>>>>> Marca: Microsoft

>>>>>

>>>>> Windows Vista Ultimate es la mejor edición de Windows Vista, con la

>>>>> potencia, seguridad y movilidad necesaria para el trabajo, y las

>>>>> posibilidades de... (Leer más)

>>>>> Precio Habitual:

>>>>> 599 euros

>>>>> Desc. (5%): 29,95

>>>>> Precio oferta: 569,05 euros

>>>>> 94.682 PTA

>>>>> 845,61 USD

>>>>>

>>>>>> Well there are always interesting issues with price - but it is

>>>>>> still not a product defect.

>>>>>> You can always shop online and internationally.

>>>>>

>>>>> No US online company that I know of will ship to Spain and let you

>>>>> pay the dollar price. They've jumped on the charge them more if

>>>>> they use euros or pounds bandwagon.

>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> No 3D Cube

>>>>>>>>> Only one desktop

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Neither of these are defects - they are just UI features that

>>>>>>>> are not in the product. This is no more a defect then one car

>>>>>>>> having a sun roof and the other having air conditioning.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Not having more than one desktop is a defect. No 3D cube isn't

>>>>>>> groovy.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> NO again -you cannot claim a defect for a design decision and

>>>>>> functionality - such as multiple desktop tops and other UI

>>>>>> features that other operating systems or UI layers on top of other

>>>>>> platforms may have. Is your Pickup truck defective because it does

>>>>>> not have a Ferrari 530 body ?

>>>>>

>>>>> OK, not up to par, then. Defect is a bad word to use.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The need for a high end computer to run it.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Again not a defect - Windows Vista Basic has an extremely low

>>>>>>>> minimum specification. And an increase in required spec is not

>>>>>>>> a defect for a new product with greater features and

>>>>>>>> functionality over the previous version. You might as well say

>>>>>>>> Windows XP is defective when you compare the min requirements to

>>>>>>>> those of Windows 3.1.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The latest Ubuntu need not be run on a high end computer. If Open

>>>>>>> Source can do it, why can't MS?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> SO WHAT !!! - this is not Ubuntu or MacOS etc this is Windows -

>>>>>> the minimum spec is specific to this product so again you cannot

>>>>>> call "defect" as you cannot compare it to another OS in those

>>>>>> terms. (My truck runs on diesel, but my Ferrari uses high octane

>>>>>> petrol - neither is in defect they are both motor vehicles but

>>>>>> obviously not the same)

>>>>>

>>>>> OK, not up to par then.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That said, a class action suit is stupid. If one doesn't want

>>>>>>>>> or like Vista, there are plenty of better alternatives

>>>>>>>>> including XP.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Indeed.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You are just not getting this - Windows Vista is not Ubuntu or

>>>>>> MacOS or any other operating system - (or OS plus a choice of

>>>>>> layer UI bits and pieces) - it is Windows Vista. It is no good

>>>>>> stamping your feet and saying it does not do this if it was never

>>>>>> designed to do that or saying it should do this because the

>>>>>> totally different product can do it.

>>>>>> This thread was about a person claim that Windows is "defective" -

>>>>>> so far neither you or anyone else has yet to actually make a valid

>>>>>> case for this.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Right, it isn't defective but not up to par and is not on the

>>>>> bleeding edge of computing by any stretch of the imagination. It's

>>>>> just MS pushing out an obsolete OS to make money.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> How would you even know. You don't have Vista.

>>>

>>> I bought Vista months ago and posted about it. Please try to keep up.

>>>

>>>> So stop the lies.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> You're the liar.

>>

>> You don't have Vista installed do you?

>

> I bought Vista months ago and posted about it. Please try to keep up.

>

>> No lies!

>> Frank

>

> Lies are your forte, Frank, as well as projecting your faults on others,

> typical of Christians.

Still can't answer any direct questions can you.

That is the hallmark of a pathological liar like you.

You're only lying to yourself.

We all see thru your lies.

Give it up.

Get help and leave this ng for good.

Frank

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> One doesn't have to jump off a 50 story building to know that it

>>>>> isn't a good idea.

>>>>

>>>> Is that the same "logic" that has led you to live a Godless life?

>>>

>>> Does this mean that you think that jumping off a 50 story building is

>>> a good idea?

>>

>> Is that your stupidly ignorant and very childish unrelated analogy?

>> You're really that dumb aren't you.

>>

>>>

>>>> Are you suggesting that one should just blindly buy something

>>>>

>>>>> without researching it first?

>>>>

>>>> How stupid you sound of late.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> Does this mean you blindly buy things without researching them first?

>>

>> hehehe...ok alias...you actually think jumping off a 50 story building

>> is the same as buying software without "researching" it? And what does

>> "researching" software mean? Software reacts differently to various

>> hardware setups...I guess you didn't know that.

>> Your logic is flawed and you're a fringe atheist person and it's

>> obvious that it permeates your every though and action.

>> Frank

>>

>

> No, the analogy just flew right over your head and you reacted, as you

> always do, with lies, insults and bluster.

>

Translation: alias didn't get it (as usual).

Yawn.

Frank

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> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Tibery-OS" <Tib@OS.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:470370b6$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to know

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of vista

>>>>>>> is too well integrated with that darn OS.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch

>>>>>>> THEN we might be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not

>>>>>>> rewrites... the mainly fix some issues,

>>>>>>> and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont be

>>>>>>> adding anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and

>>>>>>> simply cannot go back now!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an OS

>>>>>>> should be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS had

>>>>>>> the experience but Vista shows

>>>>>>> that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of

>>>>>>> collages, or the people guiding the teams were new to this and

>>>>>>> have no idea what people want.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> so look ahead into a better and brighter future..

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> He is asking for a class action suit and cannot (as yet) actually

>>>>>> justify his claims of defects.

>>>>>> Unless he can come back with a detailed list of so called defects

>>>>>> he does not have a case.

>>>>>> You are not helping either as again you are just using the the

>>>>>> "vista sucks and that's all you have to know" acquisition

>>>>>> against the product. Again meaningless ,so yes we would all like

>>>>>> to see that list of defects provide in detail and not just some

>>>>>> this doesn't work like it did in XP or it's "stupid" childish

>>>>>> approaches.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Microsoft do not have to withdrawn anything to get you to provide

>>>>>> "detailed answers" if you don't provide it now how do you expect

>>>>>> anyone (including Microsoft) to actually understand what your

>>>>>> problems are then triage them for fixing etc.

>>>>>> Again it is no good stamping your feet like a petulant child and

>>>>>> saying "they have to rewrite it" and yet not provide the detail

>>>>>> anyone would expect for such as demand or a class action suit.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Please by all means when you provide the detail of defects - also

>>>>>> include your better then Microsoft's understanding of "the very

>>>>>> idea about what an OS should be"

>>>>>> So lets have the detail of defects and then your view of an OS.

>>>>>> It really is as simple as if you cannot provide the list of

>>>>>> defects then you might as well refrain from any further

>>>>>> postulating with "vista is doomed .. dead" etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> Off the top of my head, here are some of the defects:

>>>>>

>>>>> WPA

>>>>> WGA

>>>>> WGA/N

>>>>> UAC

>>>>> Indexing

>>>>> "Search"

>>>>> No Compiz-Fusion

>>>>> Clunky, fixed Windows

>>>>> IE7

>>>>> WMP 11

>>>>> DRM

>>>>> Price is waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in Europe, i.e., over 800 US

>>>>> Dollars for Ultimate Retail.

>>>>> No 3D Cube

>>>>> Only one desktop

>>>>> The need for a high end computer to run it.

>>>>>

>>>>> That said, a class action suit is stupid. If one doesn't want or

>>>>> like Vista, there are plenty of better alternatives including XP.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Fukk you!

>>>

>>> No thanks. Sorry, I prefer women.

>>>

>>>> You don't have, nor have you ever had, Vista installed on your

>>>> computer.

>>>

>>> False. I had it installed and it was so horrible I removed it and

>>> replaced it with a dual boot of XP and Ubuntu.

>>>

>>>> So what you post is nothing but more of your lies.

>>>> Loser.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> Care to refute the issues or merely bluster about and hurl insults?

>>> Oh, I forgot, you haven't been able to refute anyone here so why

>>> should I expect you to start now?

>>>

>>

>> Like I said liar...you don't have Vista installed!

>

> I did and it was horrible. I removed it.

>

>> Get lost. Leave...don't come back again as*hole.

>> Frank

>

> No. If you really want this newsgroup to improve, you should either

> learn some manners or leave.

>

I strongly suggest you take your own advice.

Frank

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> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Tibery-OS" <Tib@OS.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:470370b6$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to

>>>>>>>> know

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of

>>>>>>>> vista

>>>>>>>> is too well integrated with that darn OS.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch

>>>>>>>> THEN we might be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not

>>>>>>>> rewrites... the mainly fix some issues,

>>>>>>>> and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont

>>>>>>>> be adding anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and

>>>>>>>> simply cannot go back now!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an

>>>>>>>> OS should be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS

>>>>>>>> had the experience but Vista shows

>>>>>>>> that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of

>>>>>>>> collages, or the people guiding the teams were new to this and

>>>>>>>> have no idea what people want.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> so look ahead into a better and brighter future..

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> He is asking for a class action suit and cannot (as yet)

>>>>>>> actually justify his claims of defects.

>>>>>>> Unless he can come back with a detailed list of so called defects

>>>>>>> he does not have a case.

>>>>>>> You are not helping either as again you are just using the the

>>>>>>> "vista sucks and that's all you have to know" acquisition

>>>>>>> against the product. Again meaningless ,so yes we would all like

>>>>>>> to see that list of defects provide in detail and not just some

>>>>>>> this doesn't work like it did in XP or it's "stupid" childish

>>>>>>> approaches.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Microsoft do not have to withdrawn anything to get you to provide

>>>>>>> "detailed answers" if you don't provide it now how do you expect

>>>>>>> anyone (including Microsoft) to actually understand what your

>>>>>>> problems are then triage them for fixing etc.

>>>>>>> Again it is no good stamping your feet like a petulant child and

>>>>>>> saying "they have to rewrite it" and yet not provide the detail

>>>>>>> anyone would expect for such as demand or a class action suit.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Please by all means when you provide the detail of defects - also

>>>>>>> include your better then Microsoft's understanding of "the very

>>>>>>> idea about what an OS should be"

>>>>>>> So lets have the detail of defects and then your view of an OS.

>>>>>>> It really is as simple as if you cannot provide the list of

>>>>>>> defects then you might as well refrain from any further

>>>>>>> postulating with "vista is doomed .. dead" etc.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Off the top of my head, here are some of the defects:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> WPA

>>>>>> WGA

>>>>>> WGA/N

>>>>>> UAC

>>>>>> Indexing

>>>>>> "Search"

>>>>>> No Compiz-Fusion

>>>>>> Clunky, fixed Windows

>>>>>> IE7

>>>>>> WMP 11

>>>>>> DRM

>>>>>> Price is waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in Europe, i.e., over 800 US

>>>>>> Dollars for Ultimate Retail.

>>>>>> No 3D Cube

>>>>>> Only one desktop

>>>>>> The need for a high end computer to run it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That said, a class action suit is stupid. If one doesn't want or

>>>>>> like Vista, there are plenty of better alternatives including XP.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Fukk you!

>>>>

>>>> No thanks. Sorry, I prefer women.

>>>>

>>>>> You don't have, nor have you ever had, Vista installed on your

>>>>> computer.

>>>>

>>>> False. I had it installed and it was so horrible I removed it and

>>>> replaced it with a dual boot of XP and Ubuntu.

>>>>

>>>>> So what you post is nothing but more of your lies.

>>>>> Loser.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> Care to refute the issues or merely bluster about and hurl insults?

>>>> Oh, I forgot, you haven't been able to refute anyone here so why

>>>> should I expect you to start now?

>>>>

>>>

>>> Like I said liar...you don't have Vista installed!

>>

>> I did and it was horrible. I removed it.

>>

>>> Get lost. Leave...don't come back again as*hole.

>>> Frank

>>

>> No. If you really want this newsgroup to improve, you should either

>> learn some manners or leave.

>>

>

> I strongly suggest you take your own advice.

> Frank

There you go again, projecting. You're the one with no manners, Frank.

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> One doesn't have to jump off a 50 story building to know that it

>>>>>> isn't a good idea.

>>>>>

>>>>> Is that the same "logic" that has led you to live a Godless life?

>>>>

>>>> Does this mean that you think that jumping off a 50 story building

>>>> is a good idea?

>>>

>>> Is that your stupidly ignorant and very childish unrelated analogy?

>>> You're really that dumb aren't you.

>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Are you suggesting that one should just blindly buy something

>>>>>

>>>>>> without researching it first?

>>>>>

>>>>> How stupid you sound of late.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> Does this mean you blindly buy things without researching them first?

>>>

>>> hehehe...ok alias...you actually think jumping off a 50 story

>>> building is the same as buying software without "researching" it? And

>>> what does "researching" software mean? Software reacts differently to

>>> various hardware setups...I guess you didn't know that.

>>> Your logic is flawed and you're a fringe atheist person and it's

>>> obvious that it permeates your every though and action.

>>> Frank

>>>

>>

>> No, the analogy just flew right over your head and you reacted, as you

>> always do, with lies, insults and bluster.

>>

>

> Translation: alias didn't get it (as usual).

> Yawn.

> Frank

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On Oct 2, 11:38 pm, wheelman <wheel...@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote:

> looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a class

> action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do not care

> about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give away

> money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some of the

> billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of this

> defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are just

> going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get this

> lawsuit started...

Gates should have stuck with xp and simply added more features until a

"real" upgrade was ready. Vista is actually worse than win95. It

crashed the very first day and about everything but the recycle bin

sound is worse than xp. MS loves to peddle half-baked sofware for

quick bucks. Profit profit profit is the bottom line and when the

competition is near zero, a company can screw the end user without

recourse. A big class-action lawsuit would be nice, but unfortunately

it's a pipedream. Gates is well padded with topnotch lawyers.

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Did you attempt to return it?

I certainly would have returned that made me feel that way.

Returns are easy, at least in North America.

Microsoft may peddle but no one has to buy it.

Windows XP will probably be supported for several more years.

And there are also non Microsoft alternatives.

But I will keep Windows Vista.

Runs well for me on two older computers.

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> Gates should have stuck with xp and simply added more features until

> a

> "real" upgrade was ready. Vista is actually worse than win95. It

> crashed the very first day and about everything but the recycle bin

> sound is worse than xp. MS loves to peddle half-baked sofware for

> quick bucks. Profit profit profit is the bottom line and when the

> competition is near zero, a company can screw the end user without

> recourse. A big class-action lawsuit would be nice, but

> unfortunately

> it's a pipedream. Gates is well padded with topnotch lawyers.

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Show me a public company that isn't all about profit - please!

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> On Oct 2, 11:38 pm, wheelman <wheel...@discussions.microsoft.com>

> wrote:

>> looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a class

>> action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do not

>> care

>> about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give

>> away

>> money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some of

>> the

>> billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of

>> this

>> defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are just

>> going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get

>> this

>> lawsuit started...

>

> Gates should have stuck with xp and simply added more features until a

> "real" upgrade was ready. Vista is actually worse than win95. It

> crashed the very first day and about everything but the recycle bin

> sound is worse than xp. MS loves to peddle half-baked sofware for

> quick bucks. Profit profit profit is the bottom line and when the

> competition is near zero, a company can screw the end user without

> recourse. A big class-action lawsuit would be nice, but unfortunately

> it's a pipedream. Gates is well padded with topnotch lawyers.

>

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In message <e1HKEBoEIHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> "Richard Urban"

<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Show me a public company that isn't all about profit - please!

And show me one company that isn't all about profit, I'll show you one

that is violating the law.

As a matter of all, all public corporations are required to maximize

profits for their stockholders.

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On Oct 19, 11:06 am, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupi...@hotnomail.com> wrote:

> Did you attempt to return it?

> I certainly would have returned that made me feel that way.

> Returns are easy, at least in North America.

Seems that way.

MS's software return address:

RE: MICROSOFT PRODUCT RETURN

2031 Buroughs Ave.

San Leandro, CA 94577

(888) 673-8624

> Microsoft may peddle but no one has to buy it.

True, but how you gonna know if an OS rocks or sucks without buying

it?

> Windows XP will probably be supported for several more years.

> And there are also non Microsoft alternatives.

None as good as XP at the moment.

>

> But I will keep Windows Vista.

> Runs well for me on two older computers.

Cool, but Vista still sux.

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