A I predicted even before RTM was released vista is a horrible flop.

Am I right??? I am right, of course as with everything I have said about

vista.

 

No one wants it, small retails are stripping it from machines and installing

XP

again as I predicted,

the big retails cant do that much because MS is holding them by the

balloons...

however consumer pressure is forcing MS to continue to offer XP...

 

AS I PREDICTED, everyone hates vista, and no one wants it...

 

And this is what you can see from the press... I can see it all around me,

people don't like vista, they format it and use XP, or dual boot and forget

vista...

 

The only fans are some diehard pathetic loser vista boys that infest this

newsgroup with their propaganda. The MVPs? They do their usual mud throwing,

blaming the user always for everything...

 

VISTA IS GOING DOWN, and it will do so much disaster to Microsoft that no

one would ever been able to do, not Linux, not macOS. Its as if Microsoft

wanted to commit suicide and said, lets make the most CRAPPY os that ever

was!

And lets call it VISTA! Vista is totally YUK!

In article <46fd0670@newsgate.x-privat.org>, Tibery@yahoo.com says...

> VISTA IS GOING DOWN, and it will do so much disaster to Microsoft that no

> one would ever been able to do, not Linux, not macOS. Its as if Microsoft

> wanted to commit suicide and said, lets make the most CRAPPY os that ever

> was!

 

The people that like vista are the ones that have NEW computers or Core

2 Duo computers with 512MB Video cards. Some others that have high-end

workstations with fast video cards also like vista.

 

Most people that have used XP and not been compromised have no need for

Vista and don't like it.

 

Every customer I have has requested that we not get Vista, and I agree

with them - telling them to get a computer that is fully capable of

running Vista, but to get XP Prof instead.

 

My own father just bought a Quad Core System and a fast video card and

loaded the 64bit version of Vista and he's enjoying it, although living

with several pains that he didn't have in XP, but it seems like such a

waste of power to install Vista when XP still provides all that is

needed that was promised in Vista.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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More facts and less hysteria on Vista:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=785

* Tiberius:

> A I predicted even before RTM was released vista is a horrible flop.

> Am I right??? I am right, of course as with everything I have said about

> vista.

>

> No one wants it, small retails are stripping it from machines and installing

> XP

> again as I predicted,

> the big retails cant do that much because MS is holding them by the

> balloons...

> however consumer pressure is forcing MS to continue to offer XP...

>

> AS I PREDICTED, everyone hates vista, and no one wants it...

>

> And this is what you can see from the press... I can see it all around me,

> people don't like vista, they format it and use XP, or dual boot and forget

> vista...

>

> The only fans are some diehard pathetic loser vista boys that infest this

> newsgroup with their propaganda. The MVPs? They do their usual mud throwing,

> blaming the user always for everything...

>

> VISTA IS GOING DOWN, and it will do so much disaster to Microsoft that no

> one would ever been able to do, not Linux, not macOS. Its as if Microsoft

> wanted to commit suicide and said, lets make the most CRAPPY os that ever

> was!

> And lets call it VISTA! Vista is totally YUK!

 

I agree with some of the points you make about Vista and also

about how some defend Microsoft no matter what.

 

However, I don't hate Vista and I don't think it sucks, and I'm

certainly not part of "some diehard pathetic loser vista boys".

 

Hate is really a strong word to use when applied to Vista-

it's just an operating system.... a piece of software, that's all.

Who really has that much time and energy to hate code?

 

My biggest problem with Vista, is feeling quite underwhelmed

by the whole thing. The silly EULA and the "piracy" protection

mechanisms are lame, too. It does *not* stop the pirates.

I actually have Vista working well on three machines and I've grown

used to it. Do I see anything in Vista that makes for a needed or

compelling upgrade? Absolutely not. Do I think it's too expensive?

Yes. Are there problems with Vista? Yes!

If someone were to ask me if they should use Vista or XP, at this

point in time, I would say stick with XP.

 

Why do I have Vista? Because that's the way I am. I generally like

to use the latest stuff.... that can actually be a weakness, I know.

I really just got used to it after using it most of the time since

June 2006. It wasn't smooth sailing, but I did work through the

problems. I would never use an OS on my primary machines that

I didn't feel was stable enough. For me and three machines, Vista

does fine... really. There are some things I still do not like, but I've

dealt with those issues for the most part.

 

I do understand why a lot of folks are upset, Microsoft did not live up

to the expectations they helped create. Far too long in the making to

offer an OS that many folks at best describe as "almost as fast as XP, just

about as good as XP."

 

 

-Michael

"Tiberius" <Tibery@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:46fd0670@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>A I predicted even before RTM was released vista is a horrible flop.

> Am I right??? I am right, of course as with everything I have said about

> vista.

>

 

Not true.

While the sales of Vista have not been as high as originally predicted the

sales figures are still healthy. IN terms both OEM and corporate sales as

well as end user individual purchases.

> No one wants it, small retails are stripping it from machines and

> installing XP

> again as I predicted,

> the big retails cant do that much because MS is holding them by the

> balloons...

> however consumer pressure is forcing MS to continue to offer XP...

>

 

You really need to not use such sweeping generalizations - there is no way

you can actually say "no one wants it". There are millions of users of

Vista out there, many consciously upgraded an businesses are deploying it in

their thousands. I for one can absolutely say that the customer I am working

with are deploying many thousand of seats on Vista for sound business and

technical reasons.

> AS I PREDICTED, everyone hates vista, and no one wants it...

>

 

Again there you go with the totally pointless "everyone". As with all

product so people like it some do not. But your level of generalization is

too great and therefore pretty meaningless as anything other then your usual

anti Vista rants.

> And this is what you can see from the press... I can see it all around me,

> people don't like vista, they format it and use XP, or dual boot and

> forget vista...

>

 

Some press, not all and your small circle of acquaintances is not

statistically significant to allow you to again generalize so heavily.

> The only fans are some diehard pathetic loser vista boys that infest this

> newsgroup with their propaganda. The MVPs? They do their usual mud

> throwing, blaming the user always for everything...

>

 

Ah, just throwing insults now you have no real case to make or more

importantly help to provide to those that come to this peer to peer support

newsgroups seeking assistance. maybe if you have no help to give and only

wish to rant you could find somewhere else to do it other then cluttering up

this group.

> VISTA IS GOING DOWN, and it will do so much disaster to Microsoft that no

> one would ever been able to do, not Linux, not macOS.

 

Again you lack any real vision of the larger picture - respected analysts

such as Gartner have published figures showing a massive increase in Vista

usage from next year when SP1 ships and then another rise into 2009. So

again you rants do not stand up against professional quality analysts work.

> Its as if Microsoft wanted to commit suicide and said, lets make the most

> CRAPPY os that ever was!

> And lets call it VISTA! Vista is totally YUK!

 

Well if you dislike it so much go use something else and leave this group.

And let us that use it every day and deploy it to thousands of machines that

run day in day out without issue or problem allowing multinational

businesses to work and grow, continue to use the OS and assists others where

we can.

 

--

 

Mike Brannigan

>

Not true...

 

the shelf versions of vista are selling nil.

The oem preinstalled versions of vista are selling ONLY because you cannot

get a computer with xp at some stores...

 

This is how MS always pushes a new version down everyone throats...

And remember there are a lot of computer illiterate people who just get a

computer..they may not even know what vista is until they start the computer

and say.. hey, things are different here....

The salesmen of course when asked what is vista, they will only say, its the

new version of windows, without pointing out all the frustration and dangers

that go with it. They dont because they want to sell computers dahhh....

 

this is not true sales because people want vista, they are forced sales..

and FYI most people format and install XP or dual boot after they get the

vista machine...

 

You seem still not convinced.. ok lets wait some more months until more news

trickles in... you cannot remain blind forever, nor can you wish it is not

true that vista is a flop and the issue will just go away. I am not wrong

and you will see.

 

 

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message

news:B6D8C556-96EE-436B-BFAA-A25F1C093C42@microsoft.com...

> "Tiberius" <Tibery@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:46fd0670@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>A I predicted even before RTM was released vista is a horrible flop.

>> Am I right??? I am right, of course as with everything I have said about

>> vista.

>>

>

> Not true.

> While the sales of Vista have not been as high as originally predicted the

> sales figures are still healthy. IN terms both OEM and corporate sales as

> well as end user individual purchases.

>

>> No one wants it, small retails are stripping it from machines and

>> installing XP

>> again as I predicted,

>> the big retails cant do that much because MS is holding them by the

>> balloons...

>> however consumer pressure is forcing MS to continue to offer XP...

>>

>

> You really need to not use such sweeping generalizations - there is no way

> you can actually say "no one wants it". There are millions of users of

> Vista out there, many consciously upgraded an businesses are deploying it

> in their thousands. I for one can absolutely say that the customer I am

> working with are deploying many thousand of seats on Vista for sound

> business and technical reasons.

>

>> AS I PREDICTED, everyone hates vista, and no one wants it...

>>

>

> Again there you go with the totally pointless "everyone". As with all

> product so people like it some do not. But your level of generalization

> is too great and therefore pretty meaningless as anything other then your

> usual anti Vista rants.

>

>> And this is what you can see from the press... I can see it all around

>> me, people don't like vista, they format it and use XP, or dual boot and

>> forget vista...

>>

>

> Some press, not all and your small circle of acquaintances is not

> statistically significant to allow you to again generalize so heavily.

>

>> The only fans are some diehard pathetic loser vista boys that infest this

>> newsgroup with their propaganda. The MVPs? They do their usual mud

>> throwing, blaming the user always for everything...

>>

>

> Ah, just throwing insults now you have no real case to make or more

> importantly help to provide to those that come to this peer to peer

> support newsgroups seeking assistance. maybe if you have no help to give

> and only wish to rant you could find somewhere else to do it other then

> cluttering up this group.

>

>> VISTA IS GOING DOWN, and it will do so much disaster to Microsoft that no

>> one would ever been able to do, not Linux, not macOS.

>

> Again you lack any real vision of the larger picture - respected analysts

> such as Gartner have published figures showing a massive increase in Vista

> usage from next year when SP1 ships and then another rise into 2009. So

> again you rants do not stand up against professional quality analysts

> work.

>

>> Its as if Microsoft wanted to commit suicide and said, lets make the most

>> CRAPPY os that ever was!

>> And lets call it VISTA! Vista is totally YUK!

>

> Well if you dislike it so much go use something else and leave this group.

> And let us that use it every day and deploy it to thousands of machines

> that run day in day out without issue or problem allowing multinational

> businesses to work and grow, continue to use the OS and assists others

> where we can.

>

> --

>

> Mike Brannigan

>

>>

>

Tiberius wrote:

> A I predicted even before RTM was released vista is a horrible flop.

> Am I right??? I am right, of course as with everything I have said about

> vista.

 

You're wrong and you're sick!

>

> No one wants it, small retails are stripping it from machines and installing

> XP

> again as I predicted,

> the big retails cant do that much because MS is holding them by the

> balloons...

> however consumer pressure is forcing MS to continue to offer XP...

 

Bullsh*t!

>

> AS I PREDICTED, everyone hates vista, and no one wants it..

 

Who the hell do you think you are?

..

>

> And this is what you can see from the press... I can see it all around me,

> people don't like vista, they format it and use XP, or dual boot and forget

> vista...

 

You're obviously blind.

>

> The only fans are some diehard pathetic loser vista boys that infest this

> newsgroup with their propaganda. The MVPs? They do their usual mud throwing,

> blaming the user always for everything...

 

Sorry pal. Learn to count. YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY...GOT IT...THE MINORITY!

>

> VISTA IS GOING DOWN, and it will do so much disaster to Microsoft that no

> one would ever been able to do, not Linux, not macOS. Its as if Microsoft

> wanted to commit suicide and said, lets make the most CRAPPY os that ever

> was!

> And lets call it VISTA! Vista is totally YUK!

 

Lets just call you a whacked out idiot loser ok?

Works for me.

Frank

>

>

Tiberius wrote:

> Not true...

>

> the shelf versions of vista are selling nil.

> The oem preinstalled versions of vista are selling ONLY because you cannot

> get a computer with xp at some stores...

>

> This is how MS always pushes a new version down everyone throats...

> And remember there are a lot of computer illiterate people who just get a

> computer..they may not even know what vista is until they start the computer

> and say.. hey, things are different here....

> The salesmen of course when asked what is vista, they will only say, its the

> new version of windows, without pointing out all the frustration and dangers

> that go with it. They dont because they want to sell computers dahhh....

>

> this is not true sales because people want vista, they are forced sales..

> and FYI most people format and install XP or dual boot after they get the

> vista machine...

>

> You seem still not convinced.. ok lets wait some more months until more news

> trickles in... you cannot remain blind forever, nor can you wish it is not

> true that vista is a flop and the issue will just go away. I am not wrong

> and you will see.

 

I asked two owners of two franchises that are national chains in Spain

and over 95% of their computer sales have XP, as requested by the

customer. The other 5% consist of Vista and Linux, specifically Ubuntu.

 

Vista is a white elephant just like Windows Me and was only pushed out

to generate revenue without any consideration whatsoever for the paying

customer who MS obvious holds in disdain.

 

On the bright side Ubuntu Gutsy is coming out next month and the BETA

testers tell me it's better than ever!

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

>

>

> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message

> news:B6D8C556-96EE-436B-BFAA-A25F1C093C42@microsoft.com...

>> "Tiberius" <Tibery@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> news:46fd0670@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> A I predicted even before RTM was released vista is a horrible flop.

>>> Am I right??? I am right, of course as with everything I have said about

>>> vista.

>>>

>> Not true.

>> While the sales of Vista have not been as high as originally predicted the

>> sales figures are still healthy. IN terms both OEM and corporate sales as

>> well as end user individual purchases.

>>

>>> No one wants it, small retails are stripping it from machines and

>>> installing XP

>>> again as I predicted,

>>> the big retails cant do that much because MS is holding them by the

>>> balloons...

>>> however consumer pressure is forcing MS to continue to offer XP...

>>>

>> You really need to not use such sweeping generalizations - there is no way

>> you can actually say "no one wants it". There are millions of users of

>> Vista out there, many consciously upgraded an businesses are deploying it

>> in their thousands. I for one can absolutely say that the customer I am

>> working with are deploying many thousand of seats on Vista for sound

>> business and technical reasons.

>>

>>> AS I PREDICTED, everyone hates vista, and no one wants it...

>>>

>> Again there you go with the totally pointless "everyone". As with all

>> product so people like it some do not. But your level of generalization

>> is too great and therefore pretty meaningless as anything other then your

>> usual anti Vista rants.

>>

>>> And this is what you can see from the press... I can see it all around

>>> me, people don't like vista, they format it and use XP, or dual boot and

>>> forget vista...

>>>

>> Some press, not all and your small circle of acquaintances is not

>> statistically significant to allow you to again generalize so heavily.

>>

>>> The only fans are some diehard pathetic loser vista boys that infest this

>>> newsgroup with their propaganda. The MVPs? They do their usual mud

>>> throwing, blaming the user always for everything...

>>>

>> Ah, just throwing insults now you have no real case to make or more

>> importantly help to provide to those that come to this peer to peer

>> support newsgroups seeking assistance. maybe if you have no help to give

>> and only wish to rant you could find somewhere else to do it other then

>> cluttering up this group.

>>

>>> VISTA IS GOING DOWN, and it will do so much disaster to Microsoft that no

>>> one would ever been able to do, not Linux, not macOS.

>> Again you lack any real vision of the larger picture - respected analysts

>> such as Gartner have published figures showing a massive increase in Vista

>> usage from next year when SP1 ships and then another rise into 2009. So

>> again you rants do not stand up against professional quality analysts

>> work.

>>

>>> Its as if Microsoft wanted to commit suicide and said, lets make the most

>>> CRAPPY os that ever was!

>>> And lets call it VISTA! Vista is totally YUK!

>> Well if you dislike it so much go use something else and leave this group.

>> And let us that use it every day and deploy it to thousands of machines

>> that run day in day out without issue or problem allowing multinational

>> businesses to work and grow, continue to use the OS and assists others

>> where we can.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Mike Brannigan

>>

>

>

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:25:55 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

wrote:

>I agree with some of the points you make about Vista and also

>about how some defend Microsoft no matter what.

>

>However, I don't hate Vista and I don't think it sucks, and I'm

>certainly not part of "some diehard pathetic loser vista boys".

>

>Hate is really a strong word to use when applied to Vista-

>it's just an operating system.... a piece of software, that's all.

>Who really has that much time and energy to hate code?

 

Exactly! Surprise, I don't hate Vista or Microsoft either, though

you'll always see the same loons doing their best to paint those of us

that speak out FACTUALLY as haters, losers, beginners, etc..

 

I'm simply sick and tired of a small but unusually vocal yet mostly

clueless fanatics ie fanboys screaming, yelling and doing their best

to suppress FACTS about how messed up Vista is for SOME users. It

makes no sense and that is what's wrong with this goofy newsgroup.

 

Yes, for Pete's sake, SOME users have no or few problems. Whoopee for

them, I would guess these are in the minority. The sad FACT is many

users, I dare say most DO have issues ranging from minor annoyances to

full blown disasters that make Vista all but unusable for some. Why in

the hell can't these FACTS be discussed in a calm, reasoned way and

solutions if there are any presented without the loony tune fanboy mob

ending up throwing feces around in every thread like a bunch of rabid

monkeys?

 

Like it or not the following are FACTS.

 

1. Vista in it's present state is flawed. Far from a stable OS.

2. Claiming all problems are the user's fault is a red herring.

3. Pretending all problems are driver related is another red herring.

4. Claiming a "clean install" is a cure all is wishful thinking.

5. Painting everyone that speaks out as a Linux fan is disingenuous.

6. Pretending UAC is a benefit is at best simplistic and misguided.

7. Acting like the EULA give Microsoft unlimited rights is insanity.

8. Denying that Microsoft doesn't respect it's customers is laughable.

9. Pretending DRM, activation, piracy protection other mindless

intrusions into privacy including snooping and phoning home is

unethical and delusional.

<Look, if this was Raid Roach Killer NG, you would complain about the

roach spry didn't kill the roach fast enough. That's the perception of

you by a whole lot I would suspect. You're just one of these people that

need to complain about something, a complainer. It doesn't matter what

it's about -- IT DOESN'T MATTER - (as the Rock would say). You are what

you are and that is a complainer. :)>

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:r86qf316q17163svbc803c9vhk7tnpqb4q@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:25:55 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>

> wrote:

 

SNIP? took out usual rant.

 

 

>

> Like it or not the following are FACTS.

>

> 1. Vista in it's present state is flawed. Far from a stable OS.

 

How do you explain the fact that many users use the OS everyday without any

stability problems?

And yes they actuallly do real work. (I can see that one comming from you

already)

> 2. Claiming all problems are the user's fault is a red herring.

 

Only to the extent that they didn't check the software, and devices, they

wanted to use with Vista for compatablity problems.

Or some users just have to start editing registry settings and really hose

there computers.

> 3. Pretending all problems are driver related is another red herring.

 

We all know how much any OS depends on drivers, just look at how many

versions of video drivers have been released for Vista.

The early drivers DID cause problems and I just don't understand your

failure to admit drivers can cause problems.

> 4. Claiming a "clean install" is a cure all is wishful thinking.

 

If you have ever worked with computers for any period of time you would

already know upgrades can cause serious problems.

> 5. Painting everyone that speaks out as a Linux fan is disingenuous.

 

And claiming everyone who uses Vista and enjoys it is a Fanboy is just as

disingenuous.

> 6. Pretending UAC is a benefit is at best simplistic and misguided.

 

UAC was a attempt to proteck the average uses from installing things that

can harm the computer. Maybe not the best way to go but you can turn it off

so whats the big deal.

> 7. Acting like the EULA give Microsoft unlimited rights is insanity.

 

Well rant and rave all you want about this one but the fact is you did not

purchase the software just a license to use it.

 

> 8. Denying that Microsoft doesn't respect it's customers is laughable.

 

Depends on what your talking about in the way of respect. My experence both

by phone and in person, Microsoft employees have always been repectiful to

me.

> 9. Pretending DRM, activation, piracy protection other mindless

 

Blame the music industry for DRM. Activation does what is was designed to do

stop casual copying.

> intrusions into privacy including snooping and phoning home is

> unethical and delusional.

 

Snooping? You think someone at Microsoft is reading you files?

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:27:59 +0100, "Mike Brannigan"

<Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote:

>"Tiberius" <Tibery@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>news:46fd0670@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>A I predicted even before RTM was released vista is a horrible flop.

>> Am I right??? I am right, of course as with everything I have said about

>> vista.

>>

>

>Not true.

>While the sales of Vista have not been as high as originally predicted the

>sales figures are still healthy. IN terms both OEM and corporate sales as

>well as end user individual purchases.

 

Actual sales figures are closely held secrets. Welcome to the real

world. Everything you see in the press is Microsoft puffing. Real

sales would translate to how many people have installed and activated

Vista, something Microsoft never provides, not how many copies of

Vista sit in vendor's warehouse, on retail store shelves or are in

some deal to be included in some pre built box by builders like Dell.

 

Besides, why should anyone give a rat's ass? I never cease to be

amazed how some seem to obsess over how many copies of Vista or

anything else Microsoft sells.

>Again there you go with the totally pointless "everyone". As with all

>product so people like it some do not. But your level of generalization is

>too great and therefore pretty meaningless as anything other then your usual

>anti Vista rants.

 

Ditto for what you've claimed in your obviously pro Microsoft stance.

What's the difference? You want a real fact? EVERYBODY's opinion is

colored by their bias for or against Microsoft which really is

Microsoft's biggest problem, not how many copies of X it sells.

Microsoft from it's inception has had poor customer relations and has

always been viewed as anti-competition, overly aggressive constantly

engaging in unfair business practices.

>Again you lack any real vision of the larger picture - respected analysts

>such as Gartner have published figures showing a massive increase in Vista

>usage from next year when SP1 ships and then another rise into 2009. So

>again you rants do not stand up against professional quality analysts work.

 

That's funny, you base your wishful thinking on a projection. Get back

to me when you see Microsoft's stock price actually making a

noticeable move higher. It's been dead in the water for years doing

nothing. In January of 2001 it was roughly $26 a share, today it is at

$29 and change. Hardly impressive performance from an investor's

viewpoint.

By contrast Apple has exploded from $11 a share to over $153.

>

>> Its as if Microsoft wanted to commit suicide and said, lets make the most

>> CRAPPY os that ever was!

>> And lets call it VISTA! Vista is totally YUK!

>

>Well if you dislike it so much go use something else and leave this group.

 

The default answer of all fanboys. I guess you're just another guy

that can't handle the truth.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:59:29 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>Tiberius wrote:

>> A I predicted even before RTM was released vista is a horrible flop.

>> Am I right??? I am right, of course as with everything I have said about

>> vista.

>

>You're wrong and you're sick!

 

Typical Frankie numbnuts response. No facts, just the usual bluster.

Vista User wrote:

>

> Blame the music industry for DRM.

 

The music industry saw the writing on the wall and now is selling DRM

free MP3s on the Net. When will MS see the writing on the wall?

> Activation does what is was designed to do

> stop casual copying.

 

False. It's given rise to cracked copies of Vista, although most people

go for the cracked copies of XP. What activation, genuinization, tamper

state, etc. do is turn people off to Windows. You can't accuse your

paying customers of being thieves until they prove otherwise and expect

to stay in business.

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:27:59 +0100, "Mike Brannigan"

> <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote:

>

>> "Tiberius" <Tibery@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> news:46fd0670@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> A I predicted even before RTM was released vista is a horrible flop.

>>> Am I right??? I am right, of course as with everything I have said about

>>> vista.

>>>

>> Not true.

>> While the sales of Vista have not been as high as originally predicted the

>> sales figures are still healthy. IN terms both OEM and corporate sales as

>> well as end user individual purchases.

>

> Actual sales figures are closely held secrets. Welcome to the real

> world. Everything you see in the press is Microsoft puffing. Real

> sales would translate to how many people have installed and activated

> Vista, something Microsoft never provides, not how many copies of

> Vista sit in vendor's warehouse, on retail store shelves or are in

> some deal to be included in some pre built box by builders like Dell.

>

> Besides, why should anyone give a rat's ass? I never cease to be

> amazed how some seem to obsess over how many copies of Vista or

> anything else Microsoft sells.

>

>> Again there you go with the totally pointless "everyone". As with all

>> product so people like it some do not. But your level of generalization is

>> too great and therefore pretty meaningless as anything other then your usual

>> anti Vista rants.

>

> Ditto for what you've claimed in your obviously pro Microsoft stance.

> What's the difference? You want a real fact? EVERYBODY's opinion is

> colored by their bias for or against Microsoft which really is

> Microsoft's biggest problem, not how many copies of X it sells.

> Microsoft from it's inception has had poor customer relations and has

> always been viewed as anti-competition, overly aggressive constantly

> engaging in unfair business practices.

>

>> Again you lack any real vision of the larger picture - respected analysts

>> such as Gartner have published figures showing a massive increase in Vista

>> usage from next year when SP1 ships and then another rise into 2009. So

>> again you rants do not stand up against professional quality analysts work.

>

> That's funny, you base your wishful thinking on a projection. Get back

> to me when you see Microsoft's stock price actually making a

> noticeable move higher. It's been dead in the water for years doing

> nothing. In January of 2001 it was roughly $26 a share, today it is at

> $29 and change. Hardly impressive performance from an investor's

> viewpoint.

> By contrast Apple has exploded from $11 a share to over $153.

>>> Its as if Microsoft wanted to commit suicide and said, lets make the most

>>> CRAPPY os that ever was!

>>> And lets call it VISTA! Vista is totally YUK!

>> Well if you dislike it so much go use something else and leave this group.

>

> The default answer of all fanboys. I guess you're just another guy

> that can't handle the truth.

>

>

 

<And you're just another *clown* that's got to give your worthless two

cents on everything. And in your crazy looking eyes, EVERYONE IS A

FANBOY. If the mail man was delivering the mail to you, you were in

conversation with the mail man about this, that or the other, and he

told you he liked working for the US Postal Service, what would come out

of your mouth is "YOU ARE A US POSTAL SERVICE FANBOY!* :) Albright, say

it wouldn't be so. <g>>

Tiberius wrote:

> Not true...

>

> the shelf versions of vista are selling nil.

 

Not true!

> The oem preinstalled versions of vista are selling ONLY because you cannot

> get a computer with xp at some stores...

 

Not true.

You have now turned into a complete liar.

Congratulations!

Have aliens invaded your brain and put that little "get stupid" capsule

in you capin' crunch?

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Tiberius wrote:

>

>> Not true...

>>

>> the shelf versions of vista are selling nil.

>> The oem preinstalled versions of vista are selling ONLY because you

>> cannot get a computer with xp at some stores...

>>

>> This is how MS always pushes a new version down everyone throats...

>> And remember there are a lot of computer illiterate people who just

>> get a computer..they may not even know what vista is until they start

>> the computer and say.. hey, things are different here....

>> The salesmen of course when asked what is vista, they will only say,

>> its the new version of windows, without pointing out all the

>> frustration and dangers that go with it. They dont because they want

>> to sell computers dahhh....

>>

>> this is not true sales because people want vista, they are forced sales..

>> and FYI most people format and install XP or dual boot after they get

>> the vista machine...

>>

>> You seem still not convinced.. ok lets wait some more months until

>> more news trickles in... you cannot remain blind forever, nor can you

>> wish it is not true that vista is a flop and the issue will just go

>> away. I am not wrong and you will see.

>

>

> I asked two owners of two franchises that are national chains in Spain

> and over 95% of their computer sales have XP, as requested by the

> customer. The other 5% consist of Vista and Linux, specifically Ubuntu.

>

> Vista is a white elephant just like Windows Me and was only pushed out

> to generate revenue without any consideration whatsoever for the paying

> customer who MS obvious holds in disdain.

>

> On the bright side Ubuntu Gutsy is coming out next month and the BETA

> testers tell me it's better than ever!

>

 

More of you're lies?

Give it up, ok?

Get lost.

You're not wanted here.

Frank

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

news:fdj8tb$jme$1@aioe.org...

> Vista User wrote:

>

>>

>> Blame the music industry for DRM.

>

> The music industry saw the writing on the wall and now is selling DRM free

> MP3s on the Net. When will MS see the writing on the wall?

>

 

When the music industry stops making Microsoft use it. Until then its just

going to be there.

Does is stop you from playing music or videos? No. Can you still use other

programs to copy your CD's? Yes.

So what is the problem?

 

>> Activation does what is was designed to do stop casual copying.

>

> False. It's given rise to cracked copies of Vista, although most people go

> for the cracked copies of XP. What activation, genuinization, tamper

> state, etc. do is turn people off to Windows. You can't accuse your paying

> customers of being thieves until they prove otherwise and expect to stay

> in business.

>

 

Your definition of casual copying is not what I'm talking about.

Alias wrote:

> Vista User wrote:

>

>>

>> Blame the music industry for DRM.

>

>

> The music industry saw the writing on the wall and now is selling DRM

> free MP3s on the Net. When will MS see the writing on the wall?

 

Another uninformed stupid statement.

>

>> Activation does what is was designed to do stop casual copying.

>

>

> False.

 

Liar. Of course it does. If you don't believe that then you don't have

any idea what "casual pirating" is.

Frank

ok here is the situation... PLEASE don't feed the trolls

 

People, PLEASE PLEASE don't feed the trolls.

 

And if you can't resist, don't leave the troll's message in your reply.

 

Thank you,

Tom Dacon

Dacon Software Consulting

The Windows Pimp complained:

> <Look, if this was Raid Roach Killer NG, you would complain about the

> roach spry didn't kill the roach fast enough. That's the perception of

> you by a whole lot I would suspect. You're just one of these people that

> need to complain about something, a complainer. It doesn't matter what

> it's about -- IT DOESN'T MATTER - (as the Rock would say). You are what

> you are and that is a complainer. :)>

 

And you are complaining about who? Being as you snipped the message you

are replying to, it is impossible to know.

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

Vista User wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fdj8tb$jme$1@aioe.org...

>> Vista User wrote:

>>

>>> Blame the music industry for DRM.

>> The music industry saw the writing on the wall and now is selling DRM free

>> MP3s on the Net. When will MS see the writing on the wall?

>>

>

> When the music industry stops making Microsoft use it. Until then its just

> going to be there.

> Does is stop you from playing music or videos? No. Can you still use other

> programs to copy your CD's? Yes.

> So what is the problem?

 

I don't have a problem. I use Ubuntu for music.

>

>

>>> Activation does what is was designed to do stop casual copying.

>> False. It's given rise to cracked copies of Vista, although most people go

>> for the cracked copies of XP. What activation, genuinization, tamper

>> state, etc. do is turn people off to Windows. You can't accuse your paying

>> customers of being thieves until they prove otherwise and expect to stay

>> in business.

>>

>

> Your definition of casual copying is not what I'm talking about.

>

>

What *are* you talking about, then?

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Vista User wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Blame the music industry for DRM.

>>

>>

>> The music industry saw the writing on the wall and now is selling DRM

>> free MP3s on the Net. When will MS see the writing on the wall?

>

> Another uninformed stupid statement.

 

Just saying so isn't enough. Refute the statement (you can't).

>>> Activation does what is was designed to do stop casual copying.

>>

>>

>> False.

>

> Liar. Of course it does. If you don't believe that then you don't have

> any idea what "casual pirating" is.

> Frank

 

Sure, Frank, sure. If you knew how many clients I have who purposefully

put a cracked copy of XP on their machine, you would have a stroke.

These are not computer savvy people but people who email, surf, download

crap from eMule and chat on Windows Live Messenger. Each had a copy of

the cracked XP and freely shared it with friends and relatives. Oops,

Frank's wrong AGAIN.

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Tiberius wrote:

>>

>>> Not true...

>>>

>>> the shelf versions of vista are selling nil.

>>> The oem preinstalled versions of vista are selling ONLY because you

>>> cannot get a computer with xp at some stores...

>>>

>>> This is how MS always pushes a new version down everyone throats...

>>> And remember there are a lot of computer illiterate people who just

>>> get a computer..they may not even know what vista is until they start

>>> the computer and say.. hey, things are different here....

>>> The salesmen of course when asked what is vista, they will only say,

>>> its the new version of windows, without pointing out all the

>>> frustration and dangers that go with it. They dont because they want

>>> to sell computers dahhh....

>>>

>>> this is not true sales because people want vista, they are forced

>>> sales..

>>> and FYI most people format and install XP or dual boot after they get

>>> the vista machine...

>>>

>>> You seem still not convinced.. ok lets wait some more months until

>>> more news trickles in... you cannot remain blind forever, nor can you

>>> wish it is not true that vista is a flop and the issue will just go

>>> away. I am not wrong and you will see.

>>

>>

>> I asked two owners of two franchises that are national chains in Spain

>> and over 95% of their computer sales have XP, as requested by the

>> customer. The other 5% consist of Vista and Linux, specifically Ubuntu.

>>

>> Vista is a white elephant just like Windows Me and was only pushed out

>> to generate revenue without any consideration whatsoever for the

>> paying customer who MS obvious holds in disdain.

>>

>> On the bright side Ubuntu Gutsy is coming out next month and the BETA

>> testers tell me it's better than ever!

>>

>

> More of you're lies?

 

No.

> Give it up, ok?

 

No.

> Get lost.

 

No.

> You're not wanted here.

> Frank

 

They love me here. How could you possibly think differently?

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

Alias wrote:

> The Windows Pimp complained:

>

>> <Look, if this was Raid Roach Killer NG, you would complain about the

>> roach spry didn't kill the roach fast enough. That's the perception of

>> you by a whole lot I would suspect. You're just one of these people

>> that need to complain about something, a complainer. It doesn't matter

>> what it's about -- IT DOESN'T MATTER - (as the Rock would say). You

>> are what you are and that is a complainer. :)>

>

> And you are complaining about who? Being as you snipped the message you

> are replying to, it is impossible to know.

>

 

<It could be you for all I care, fool.>