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September 18, 200717 yr

Re: Another stupid response

I eat vista wrote:

> windows 2003 that is a server OS was used by many many many people as a

> desktop OS!

>

> They claimed better stabily and I can say that that must have been true

> since

> the kernel of win2003 was 5.2 while on XP it was 5.1

>

> So if all these people were using win2003 as a desktop I see no reason why

> people will not use server 2008 as a desktop.

>

> The only problem really is the cost.. since you can make 2008 function as a

> desktop OS>

>

> "Peter M" . wrote in message

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>> <kevpan815@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:CC9F2C81-5B3F-4088-9813-DA222E22AB41@microsoft.com...

>>> Windows Server 2008 Beta 3 Public Beta Is A Much Better Operating System

>>> Then Windows Vista RTM, Just FYI.

>>>

>> OH mighty postal employee (and we know what the IQ requirements to be a

>> postman are) you do realize vista is built on the server kernel and in

>> fact sp1beta updates vista to the exact same kernel as server 2008. But

>> hey, keep licking those stamps and one day you might gravitate to

>> envelopes.

>

Server 2003 was a good stable OS and apart from the lack of rounded

corners it could be made just as usable as a desktop as XP. No movie

maker, and the default IE was so restricted it had to be unlocked for

browsing normally (Which says a lot about IE really) but aside from that

and turning off unwanted services there were no real differences. Oh,

and the "Search" function worked...

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September 18, 200717 yr

"I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>> Distro called "XP Pro".

>

> lol gee its the vista-virus getting to whats left of their brains!!!!

At least they have brains. You don't

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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>> Ron K. wrote:

>>> Ah another Linux troll.

>>

>> Another top posting Wintard who has reading comprehension problem.

>> "Harry" said he "went back to XP Pro". Last I checked, there is no Linux

>> Distro called "XP Pro".

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>>>

>>> "Harry" wrote:

>>>

>>>> I fully agree with you and went back to XP Pro

>>>> "I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:46ee8cb9@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>> I am very happy to say that things I have been saying over the past 1

>>>>> year

>>>>> are all confirmed. Of course I am sad to see that I had to say all

>>>>> these things in the first place.

>>>>> Vista should have been better, then no need for criticism and

>>>>> rejection would exist.

>>>>>

>>>>> - Vista is far slower than XP

>>>>> - Vista search is horrid, slow, gets corrupted and thrashes the disk.

>>>>> The

>>>>> service should be turned off. It doesnt work.

>>>>> - The vista start menu design is extremely bad, with menus that

>>>>> collapse

>>>>> upon itself.

>>>>> - Vista is unstable and incompatible with no great reason since it is

>>>>> NT

>>>>> kernel.

>>>>> - Vista is not user friendly, creating frustration to the simple user

>>>>> - Readyboost is a gimmick that helps only a small percentage of

>>>>> machines.

>>>>> Its more of a crutch to help vista pull its own obese weight. Many

>>>>> have

>>>>> reported a NEGATIVE result when trying it on machines with much ram.

>>>>> - Vista is not compatible with XP when in dual boot, since its restore

>>>>> format conflicts with XP and XP detects it and erases it. Clearly a

>>>>> vista

>>>>> problem since the vista designers should have taken this into account.

>>>>> -The colors and fonts and general design of the theme makes it hard to

>>>>> see

>>>>> the information presented. Numerous people have complained about this

>>>>> with

>>>>> good cause.

>>>>> - The SPEECH to Text function is a joke. It doesnt work!

>>>>> - Vistas "better memory management" is a myth. By loading vast amount

>>>>> of

>>>>> data on to the ram and therefore "using it all" there is no

>>>>> significant

>>>>> improvement in performance compared to XP. In fact XP wins hands down

>>>>> on

>>>>> almost all comparisons.

>>>>> - The fast vista boot is also a myth. Systems with lots of programs

>>>>> installed,

>>>>> start just as slow as XP

>>>>> - The "Branded sounds" in Vista was a stupid thing that users don't

>>>>> like and

>>>>> are looking for ways to change.

>>>>> - Windows Mail uses EML format and that creates thousands upon

>>>>> thousands of

>>>>> files when you have lots of emails, the result is slower loading of

>>>>> windows

>>>>> mail and very bad performance.

>>>>> - The simplified vista DEFRAGMENT with no visual feedback is slower,

>>>>> and

>>>>> most people absolutely hate it. A clear degrade from XP's defrag. The

>>>>> result

>>>>> is people searching for third party solutions

>>>>> -Copying and moving files in vista is a joke.. even deleting small

>>>>> files

>>>>> takes up to much time.

>>>>> -Network speed is horrendous

>>>>> -People hate the internet explorer 7 toolbar that cannot be

>>>>> configured.

>>>>> -SP1 will not save vista, its bad design is so well integrated that

>>>>> nothing

>>>>> can save it.

>>>>> -Windows vista is over-all comparably the worse OS Microsoft has ever

>>>>> made..

>>>>> even worse that windows Me.

>>>>> -The cost of use of vista (in time, labor and upgrade expenses) is

>>>>> more than anything ever seen before.

>>>>> -People who really like vista are stupid. No one who has above average

>>>>> intelligence could actually think vista is a good OS. Sorry guys.

>>>>>

>>>>> Over all vista has a "not finished" badly designed, amateur, and

>>>>> stupid

>>>>> feeling to it that frustrates the common user. So much that people

>>>>> have shot vista computers with guns!

>>>>>

>>>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>>>>

>>>>

>

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Ron K. wrote:

>> Ah another Linux troll.

>

> Another top posting Wintard who has reading comprehension problem. "Harry"

> said he "went back to XP Pro". Last I checked, there is no Linux Distro

> called "XP Pro".

>

You out of prison already -

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

>

>>

>> "Harry" wrote:

>>

>>> I fully agree with you and went back to XP Pro

>>> "I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:46ee8cb9@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>> I am very happy to say that things I have been saying over the past 1

>>>> year

>>>> are all confirmed. Of course I am sad to see that I had to say all

>>>> these things in the first place.

>>>> Vista should have been better, then no need for criticism and rejection

>>>> would exist.

>>>>

>>>> - Vista is far slower than XP

>>>> - Vista search is horrid, slow, gets corrupted and thrashes the disk.

>>>> The

>>>> service should be turned off. It doesnt work.

>>>> - The vista start menu design is extremely bad, with menus that

>>>> collapse

>>>> upon itself.

>>>> - Vista is unstable and incompatible with no great reason since it is

>>>> NT

>>>> kernel.

>>>> - Vista is not user friendly, creating frustration to the simple user

>>>> - Readyboost is a gimmick that helps only a small percentage of

>>>> machines.

>>>> Its more of a crutch to help vista pull its own obese weight. Many have

>>>> reported a NEGATIVE result when trying it on machines with much ram.

>>>> - Vista is not compatible with XP when in dual boot, since its restore

>>>> format conflicts with XP and XP detects it and erases it. Clearly a

>>>> vista

>>>> problem since the vista designers should have taken this into account.

>>>> -The colors and fonts and general design of the theme makes it hard to

>>>> see

>>>> the information presented. Numerous people have complained about this

>>>> with

>>>> good cause.

>>>> - The SPEECH to Text function is a joke. It doesnt work!

>>>> - Vistas "better memory management" is a myth. By loading vast amount

>>>> of

>>>> data on to the ram and therefore "using it all" there is no significant

>>>> improvement in performance compared to XP. In fact XP wins hands down

>>>> on

>>>> almost all comparisons.

>>>> - The fast vista boot is also a myth. Systems with lots of programs

>>>> installed,

>>>> start just as slow as XP

>>>> - The "Branded sounds" in Vista was a stupid thing that users don't

>>>> like and

>>>> are looking for ways to change.

>>>> - Windows Mail uses EML format and that creates thousands upon

>>>> thousands of

>>>> files when you have lots of emails, the result is slower loading of

>>>> windows

>>>> mail and very bad performance.

>>>> - The simplified vista DEFRAGMENT with no visual feedback is slower,

>>>> and

>>>> most people absolutely hate it. A clear degrade from XP's defrag. The

>>>> result

>>>> is people searching for third party solutions

>>>> -Copying and moving files in vista is a joke.. even deleting small

>>>> files

>>>> takes up to much time.

>>>> -Network speed is horrendous

>>>> -People hate the internet explorer 7 toolbar that cannot be configured.

>>>> -SP1 will not save vista, its bad design is so well integrated that

>>>> nothing

>>>> can save it.

>>>> -Windows vista is over-all comparably the worse OS Microsoft has ever

>>>> made..

>>>> even worse that windows Me.

>>>> -The cost of use of vista (in time, labor and upgrade expenses) is more

>>>> than anything ever seen before.

>>>> -People who really like vista are stupid. No one who has above average

>>>> intelligence could actually think vista is a good OS. Sorry guys.

>>>>

>>>> Over all vista has a "not finished" badly designed, amateur, and stupid

>>>> feeling to it that frustrates the common user. So much that people have

>>>> shot vista computers with guns!

>>>>

>>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>>>

>>>

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September 18, 200717 yr

Saucy wrote:

> INLINE:

>

> "I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>> I am very happy to say that things I have been saying over the past 1

>> year

>> are all confirmed. Of course I am sad to see that I had to say all

>> these things in the first place.

>> Vista should have been better, then no need for criticism and

>> rejection would exist.

>

> Sure sure.

>

>> - Vista is far slower than XP

>

> Huh? not here. About the same for regular apps.

It is here, what do you call a "Regular App", one that eats a lot of fiber?

>> - Vista search is horrid, slow, gets corrupted and thrashes the disk. The

>> service should be turned off. It doesnt work.

>

> 'Can't comment. I know where to find my stuff so ..

Well you better take others' word for it then, it sucks beyond all sense

and reason and can only be improved by a tortuous route through registry

changes and major settings changes. In it's default state it couldn't

find itself in it's own folder...

>> - The vista start menu design is extremely bad, with menus that collapse

>> upon itself.

>

> I like it.

There's always one.

>> - Vista is unstable and incompatible with no great reason since it is NT

>> kernel.

>

> Stable and compatible here. To be honest my cheap Logitech Webcam would

> only work with Beta drivers and *Logitech* decided to drop support. I

> use a much better camera now so it doesn't matter. All else works A1.

Lucky you...

>> - Vista is not user friendly, creating frustration to the simple user

>

> Wrong. It's very good that way.

At causing frustration it leads the field...

>> - Readyboost is a gimmick that helps only a small percentage of machines.

>

> I've read that it has less of an impact the more RAM one has. As my

> machine has over 1GB I don't really need it.

You must be running "Hello World"

>> Its more of a crutch to help vista pull its own obese weight. Many have

>> reported a NEGATIVE result when trying it on machines with much ram.

>

> Poor quality stick. One needs to use a stick that's quick, of course ..

> duh.

I suspect it is something that was requested by hardware vendors, they

shell out for less real RAM and YOU shell out to buy a bloody Ram stick.

>> - Vista is not compatible with XP when in dual boot, since its restore

>> format conflicts with XP and XP detects it and erases it. Clearly a vista

>> problem since the vista designers should have taken this into account.

>

> Install XP .. switch active partitions .. install Vista .. switch active

> partion back .. bootpart [free]. Voila! No problems what so ever.

Well it is a completely unnecessary encumbrance when the system could

have been designed not to do that, but wait they don't want you running

side by side comparisons because guess what, you'd think "I just bought

this new OS and the old one is actually better". You would be able to

make a real comparison, same hardware same everything, but then you

would miss the fact that the only reason you perceive Vista as being

faster is because you just bought faster hardware :)

>> -The colors and fonts and general design of the theme makes it hard to

>> see

>> the information presented. Numerous people have complained about this

>> with

>> good cause.

>

> Adjust it. Some people perfer 120dpi than the default 96. It's right

> there in 'Personalization" if you cared to look before mouthing off.

No the themes are basically crap, the colors were poorly chosen

especially for highlighting. To hell with functionality when we can be

"Fashionable"

>> - The SPEECH to Text function is a joke. It doesnt work!

>

> 'Can't comment yet .. I still use a mouse.

In real world tests speech to text is truly crap. Although it works in

more things than XP that just means more things it gets wrong. It takes

20 minutes to type an email, using TTS it takes 20 minutes to dictate it

15 times until you get it close and then another 20 to scroll back,

proof read it twice and correct the errors that aren't so noticeable

such as "Two" instead of "to" and the like. Certainly needs more work.

>> - Vistas "better memory management" is a myth. By loading vast amount of

>> data on to the ram and therefore "using it all" there is no significant

>> improvement in performance compared to XP. In fact XP wins hands down on

>> almost all comparisons.

>

> [clearing my throat] Sure sure. Vista does a better job at scheduling

> the processor, memory management etc. etc. and the code is from the

> Server 2003 fork. So please ..

Never had a problem with XP, define "Better".

>> - The fast vista boot is also a myth. Systems with lots of programs

>> installed,

>> start just as slow as XP

>

> ZZZzzzzz Boots just fine here, particularly my laptop. 50-53 seconds to

> stable desktop [no hour glasses] on an ordinary laptop and that's

> including the selecting of an account and entering a password.

You really have only "Hello World" installed haven't you?

>> - The "Branded sounds" in Vista was a stupid thing that users don't

>> like and

>> are looking for ways to change.

>

> Oh, please. If the user wants to use other sounds it's right there.

Hardly mission critical, though I suppose for some it could be...

>> - Windows Mail uses EML format and that creates thousands upon

>> thousands of

>> files when you have lots of emails, the result is slower loading of

>> windows

>> mail and very bad performance.

>

> Works quite well with newsgroups and there's thousands of headers and

> hundreds of bodies in those files.

You haven't used Thunderbird have you. ALL the Vista mail clients they

had released (Until I simply gave up and installed Thunderbird) ran like

a three legged rhinoceros with gout. Killing OE was a serious error of

judgment, especially when the replacement was written by people who'd

obviously never actually used a newsreader and probably have yahoo.com

or AOL email addresses.

>> - The simplified vista DEFRAGMENT with no visual feedback is slower, and

>> most people absolutely hate it. A clear degrade from XP's defrag. The

>> result

>> is people searching for third party solutions

>

> The general purpose defragger will keep the disks healthy and performing

> well .. it's designed as a behinds the scenes utility i.e. no particular

> need for visual feedback .. set it and forget it. Third party programs

> are good too as they provide real enhancements that some users might want.

Ah, you mean like actually "Working".

>> -Copying and moving files in vista is a joke.. even deleting small files

>> takes up to much time.

>

> Bull. It's fast. I'm copying gigabytes worth all the time and it works

> very well.

Fast compared to what? Are you sure you are using Vista and weren't sold

a pirate copy of XP? Is the CD Label handwritten by any chance?

>> -Network speed is horrendous

>

> No. It's as fast or faster.

If it is faster then there was something wrong with what you had before,

not uncommon for a clean install to appear much faster.

>> -People hate the internet explorer 7 toolbar that cannot be configured.

>

> Absolutely wrong. The tool bar is configurable.

No it isn't. Adding "Yahoo" and AOL shortcuts isn't "Configurable"

>> -SP1 will not save vista, its bad design is so well integrated that

>> nothing

>> can save it.

>

> Sinners need salvation. Successful money making operating systems such

> as Windows Vista don't need to be "saved".

Oh but the successful and money making parts of that statement depend on

the customers impressions, not on what you or MS "Think" customers want...

>> -Windows vista is over-all comparably the worse OS Microsoft has ever

>> made..

>> even worse that windows Me.

>

> Bull. Windows Me had its with upgrades. Funnily enough, with a clean

> install on the right hardware it was almost as stable as NT. But this

> fact was usually overlooked by its critics.

Define "The right hardware"

>> -The cost of use of vista (in time, labor and upgrade expenses) is

>> more than anything ever seen before.

>

> Windows Basic can upgrade the older hardware (one does need 512-1024MB

> RAM). For all the eye-candy, yes one will need WDDM video. But what's a

> RAM upgrade? I've done so many ..

What's the point when after all that you end up with a system that can

do less than XP on the same hardware?

>> -People who really like vista are stupid. No one who has above average

>> intelligence could actually think vista is a good OS. Sorry guys.

>

> You should be sorry, it's a strange statement.

Vista was released unfinished, prime example the mail client, which

updated version are they on now?

>> Over all vista has a "not finished" badly designed, amateur, and stupid

>> feeling to it that frustrates the common user. So much that people

>> have shot vista computers with guns!

>

> Cute, but the guy who did that probably had issues. First off, what's a

> handgun doing outside of lock and key?

A handgun that's locked away is no use if you are attacked, was that

description of Vista one you chose not to comment on by any chance?

>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>

>

> It's OK if you don't bother .. really.

>

> Saucy

I don't know why I bothered really either, but YOUR statements here have

been exactly what you accused the other poster of saying, ie "My

personal anecdotal opinion is...

We're all very delighted I'm sure that you have no issues, which seems

in part to due to the fact that you "Conveniently" do not use those

functions which exhibit the major issues that impact most users.

In order to fulfill the "Promises" made during early development (Or

weren't you watching back then) and to fulfill the promises made in

advertising and dare I say "Hype" there are some serious issues that MS

need to address promptly, very promptly.

Vista is at best a very small improvement over XP, IF you have the right

hardware, something you said yourself above. As an upgrade OS for MOST

people it is a retrograde step, which is a pity because the

compatibility of XP is by contrast legendary. I have installed XP for

test purposes on machines I can't even get any sort of Linux GUI to run

on. At the same time I have stuff that won't run on Vista or runs very

poorly yet is fine on XP.

XP had problems when it first arrived, SP2 appeared to me to be almost a

complete rewrite, are we waiting for MS to rewrite Vista when they have

spent 5 years hyping it up? All that time Linux has been improving. I'm

a bit surprised that Sun are not doing more too, although I think they

place too much emphasis on Java (and probably drink too much of it too),

when instead some real innovation is necessary.

A word you will find often used is disappointing...

>

http://www.google.com/search?q=vista+disappointing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

The competition may appear to be far behind but appearances can be

deceptive, so instead of crowing about what IS perhaps a little thought

should be given to what "May" be in the future. eh?

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September 18, 200717 yr

Ezmerelda LaDouche wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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>

>>Ron K. wrote:

>>

>>>Ah another Linux troll.

>>

>>Another top posting Wintard who has reading comprehension problem. "Harry"

>>said he "went back to XP Pro". Last I checked, there is no Linux Distro

>>called "XP Pro".

>>

>

> You out of prison already -

hehehe...he's on the early release program cause of overcrowding1

Frank

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September 18, 200717 yr

Charlie Tame wrote:

>>> -People who really like vista are stupid. No one who has above average

>>> intelligence could actually think vista is a good OS. Sorry guys.

>>

>> You should be sorry, it's a strange statement.

>

> Vista was released unfinished, prime example the mail client, which

> updated version are they on now?

I actually like Vista but practically had to build it from

scratch and some 10gb of source files, still a bit rough.

I agree that Vista is unfinished...LongHorn beta's from

almost 4 years ago were much more polished and except for

one single memory leak they would have made better rtm's.

WinXP 'sp2' actually was almost a rewrite and did contain

a lot of Vista items/security. MS really tried that time.

I left the door open.

for Vista Updates.

Now my cat is gone.

NT Canuck

'Seek and ye shall find'

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September 18, 200717 yr

Charlie..

good responses...

I would actually take the time to answer too if he didn't BORE me to death!

lol

Talking to people that are flexible as granite is not so fun ya know...

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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> Saucy wrote:

>> INLINE:

>>

>> "I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:46ee8cb9@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> I am very happy to say that things I have been saying over the past 1

>>> year

>>> are all confirmed. Of course I am sad to see that I had to say all these

>>> things in the first place.

>>> Vista should have been better, then no need for criticism and rejection

>>> would exist.

>>

>> Sure sure.

>>

>>> - Vista is far slower than XP

>>

>> Huh? not here. About the same for regular apps.

>

> It is here, what do you call a "Regular App", one that eats a lot of

> fiber?

>

>>> - Vista search is horrid, slow, gets corrupted and thrashes the disk.

>>> The

>>> service should be turned off. It doesnt work.

>>

>> 'Can't comment. I know where to find my stuff so ..

>

> Well you better take others' word for it then, it sucks beyond all sense

> and reason and can only be improved by a tortuous route through registry

> changes and major settings changes. In it's default state it couldn't find

> itself in it's own folder...

>

>>> - The vista start menu design is extremely bad, with menus that collapse

>>> upon itself.

>>

>> I like it.

>

> There's always one.

>

>>> - Vista is unstable and incompatible with no great reason since it is NT

>>> kernel.

>>

>> Stable and compatible here. To be honest my cheap Logitech Webcam would

>> only work with Beta drivers and *Logitech* decided to drop support. I use

>> a much better camera now so it doesn't matter. All else works A1.

>

> Lucky you...

>

>>> - Vista is not user friendly, creating frustration to the simple user

>>

>> Wrong. It's very good that way.

>

> At causing frustration it leads the field...

>

>>> - Readyboost is a gimmick that helps only a small percentage of

>>> machines.

>>

>> I've read that it has less of an impact the more RAM one has. As my

>> machine has over 1GB I don't really need it.

>

> You must be running "Hello World"

>

>>> Its more of a crutch to help vista pull its own obese weight. Many have

>>> reported a NEGATIVE result when trying it on machines with much ram.

>>

>> Poor quality stick. One needs to use a stick that's quick, of course ..

>> duh.

>

> I suspect it is something that was requested by hardware vendors, they

> shell out for less real RAM and YOU shell out to buy a bloody Ram stick.

>

>>> - Vista is not compatible with XP when in dual boot, since its restore

>>> format conflicts with XP and XP detects it and erases it. Clearly a

>>> vista

>>> problem since the vista designers should have taken this into account.

>>

>> Install XP .. switch active partitions .. install Vista .. switch active

>> partion back .. bootpart [free]. Voila! No problems what so ever.

>

> Well it is a completely unnecessary encumbrance when the system could have

> been designed not to do that, but wait they don't want you running side by

> side comparisons because guess what, you'd think "I just bought this new

> OS and the old one is actually better". You would be able to make a real

> comparison, same hardware same everything, but then you would miss the

> fact that the only reason you perceive Vista as being faster is because

> you just bought faster hardware :)

>

>>> -The colors and fonts and general design of the theme makes it hard to

>>> see

>>> the information presented. Numerous people have complained about this

>>> with

>>> good cause.

>>

>> Adjust it. Some people perfer 120dpi than the default 96. It's right

>> there in 'Personalization" if you cared to look before mouthing off.

>

> No the themes are basically crap, the colors were poorly chosen especially

> for highlighting. To hell with functionality when we can be "Fashionable"

>

>>> - The SPEECH to Text function is a joke. It doesnt work!

>>

>> 'Can't comment yet .. I still use a mouse.

>

> In real world tests speech to text is truly crap. Although it works in

> more things than XP that just means more things it gets wrong. It takes 20

> minutes to type an email, using TTS it takes 20 minutes to dictate it 15

> times until you get it close and then another 20 to scroll back, proof

> read it twice and correct the errors that aren't so noticeable such as

> "Two" instead of "to" and the like. Certainly needs more work.

>

>>> - Vistas "better memory management" is a myth. By loading vast amount of

>>> data on to the ram and therefore "using it all" there is no significant

>>> improvement in performance compared to XP. In fact XP wins hands down on

>>> almost all comparisons.

>>

>> [clearing my throat] Sure sure. Vista does a better job at scheduling the

>> processor, memory management etc. etc. and the code is from the Server

>> 2003 fork. So please ..

>

> Never had a problem with XP, define "Better".

>

>>> - The fast vista boot is also a myth. Systems with lots of programs

>>> installed,

>>> start just as slow as XP

>>

>> ZZZzzzzz Boots just fine here, particularly my laptop. 50-53 seconds to

>> stable desktop [no hour glasses] on an ordinary laptop and that's

>> including the selecting of an account and entering a password.

>

> You really have only "Hello World" installed haven't you?

>

>>> - The "Branded sounds" in Vista was a stupid thing that users don't like

>>> and

>>> are looking for ways to change.

>>

>> Oh, please. If the user wants to use other sounds it's right there.

>

> Hardly mission critical, though I suppose for some it could be...

>

>>> - Windows Mail uses EML format and that creates thousands upon thousands

>>> of

>>> files when you have lots of emails, the result is slower loading of

>>> windows

>>> mail and very bad performance.

>>

>> Works quite well with newsgroups and there's thousands of headers and

>> hundreds of bodies in those files.

>

> You haven't used Thunderbird have you. ALL the Vista mail clients they had

> released (Until I simply gave up and installed Thunderbird) ran like a

> three legged rhinoceros with gout. Killing OE was a serious error of

> judgment, especially when the replacement was written by people who'd

> obviously never actually used a newsreader and probably have yahoo.com or

> AOL email addresses.

>

>>> - The simplified vista DEFRAGMENT with no visual feedback is slower, and

>>> most people absolutely hate it. A clear degrade from XP's defrag. The

>>> result

>>> is people searching for third party solutions

>>

>> The general purpose defragger will keep the disks healthy and performing

>> well .. it's designed as a behinds the scenes utility i.e. no particular

>> need for visual feedback .. set it and forget it. Third party programs

>> are good too as they provide real enhancements that some users might

>> want.

>

> Ah, you mean like actually "Working".

>

>>> -Copying and moving files in vista is a joke.. even deleting small files

>>> takes up to much time.

>>

>> Bull. It's fast. I'm copying gigabytes worth all the time and it works

>> very well.

>

> Fast compared to what? Are you sure you are using Vista and weren't sold a

> pirate copy of XP? Is the CD Label handwritten by any chance?

>

>>> -Network speed is horrendous

>>

>> No. It's as fast or faster.

>

> If it is faster then there was something wrong with what you had before,

> not uncommon for a clean install to appear much faster.

>

>>> -People hate the internet explorer 7 toolbar that cannot be configured.

>>

>> Absolutely wrong. The tool bar is configurable.

>

> No it isn't. Adding "Yahoo" and AOL shortcuts isn't "Configurable"

>

>>> -SP1 will not save vista, its bad design is so well integrated that

>>> nothing

>>> can save it.

>>

>> Sinners need salvation. Successful money making operating systems such

>> as Windows Vista don't need to be "saved".

>

> Oh but the successful and money making parts of that statement depend on

> the customers impressions, not on what you or MS "Think" customers want...

>

>>> -Windows vista is over-all comparably the worse OS Microsoft has ever

>>> made..

>>> even worse that windows Me.

>>

>> Bull. Windows Me had its with upgrades. Funnily enough, with a clean

>> install on the right hardware it was almost as stable as NT. But this

>> fact was usually overlooked by its critics.

>

> Define "The right hardware"

>

>>> -The cost of use of vista (in time, labor and upgrade expenses) is more

>>> than anything ever seen before.

>>

>> Windows Basic can upgrade the older hardware (one does need 512-1024MB

>> RAM). For all the eye-candy, yes one will need WDDM video. But what's a

>> RAM upgrade? I've done so many ..

>

> What's the point when after all that you end up with a system that can do

> less than XP on the same hardware?

>

>>> -People who really like vista are stupid. No one who has above average

>>> intelligence could actually think vista is a good OS. Sorry guys.

>>

>> You should be sorry, it's a strange statement.

>

> Vista was released unfinished, prime example the mail client, which

> updated version are they on now?

>

>>> Over all vista has a "not finished" badly designed, amateur, and stupid

>>> feeling to it that frustrates the common user. So much that people have

>>> shot vista computers with guns!

>>

>> Cute, but the guy who did that probably had issues. First off, what's a

>> handgun doing outside of lock and key?

>

> A handgun that's locked away is no use if you are attacked, was that

> description of Vista one you chose not to comment on by any chance?

>

>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>>

>>

>> It's OK if you don't bother .. really.

>>

>> Saucy

>

> I don't know why I bothered really either, but YOUR statements here have

> been exactly what you accused the other poster of saying, ie "My personal

> anecdotal opinion is...

>

> We're all very delighted I'm sure that you have no issues, which seems in

> part to due to the fact that you "Conveniently" do not use those functions

> which exhibit the major issues that impact most users.

>

> In order to fulfill the "Promises" made during early development (Or

> weren't you watching back then) and to fulfill the promises made in

> advertising and dare I say "Hype" there are some serious issues that MS

> need to address promptly, very promptly.

>

> Vista is at best a very small improvement over XP, IF you have the right

> hardware, something you said yourself above. As an upgrade OS for MOST

> people it is a retrograde step, which is a pity because the compatibility

> of XP is by contrast legendary. I have installed XP for test purposes on

> machines I can't even get any sort of Linux GUI to run on. At the same

> time I have stuff that won't run on Vista or runs very poorly yet is fine

> on XP.

>

> XP had problems when it first arrived, SP2 appeared to me to be almost a

> complete rewrite, are we waiting for MS to rewrite Vista when they have

> spent 5 years hyping it up? All that time Linux has been improving. I'm a

> bit surprised that Sun are not doing more too, although I think they place

> too much emphasis on Java (and probably drink too much of it too), when

> instead some real innovation is necessary.

>

> A word you will find often used is disappointing...

>

> >

> http://www.google.com/search?q=vista+disappointing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

>

> The competition may appear to be far behind but appearances can be

> deceptive, so instead of crowing about what IS perhaps a little thought

> should be given to what "May" be in the future. eh?

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stop insulting people who are smarter and better than you and smarter than

you...

wait. I said said smarter than you twice..

perhaps its because you are incredibly stupid!

"Ezmerelda LaDouche" <ELD@ladouche.com> wrote in message

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> Aren't you the one with that mentally disabled syndrome. Just FYI. I am

> so sorry to hear about your condition. Just FYI. I hear there are

> facilities throughout the country that can help someone like you. Just

> FYI.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Just FYI

>

> "Erwin Moller"

> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com> wrote in

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>>I eat vista wrote:

>>> I am very happy to say that things I have been saying over the past 1

>>> year

>>> are all confirmed. Of course I am sad to see that I had to say all these

>>> things in the first place.

>>> Vista should have been better, then no need for criticism and rejection

>>> would exist.

>>>

>>> - Vista is far slower than XP

>>> - Vista search is horrid, slow, gets corrupted and thrashes the disk.

>>> The

>>> service should be turned off. It doesnt work.

>>> - The vista start menu design is extremely bad, with menus that collapse

>>> upon itself.

>>> - Vista is unstable and incompatible with no great reason since it is NT

>>> kernel.

>>> - Vista is not user friendly, creating frustration to the simple user

>>> - Readyboost is a gimmick that helps only a small percentage of

>>> machines.

>>> Its more of a crutch to help vista pull its own obese weight. Many have

>>> reported a NEGATIVE result when trying it on machines with much ram.

>>> - Vista is not compatible with XP when in dual boot, since its restore

>>> format conflicts with XP and XP detects it and erases it. Clearly a

>>> vista

>>> problem since the vista designers should have taken this into account.

>>> -The colors and fonts and general design of the theme makes it hard to

>>> see

>>> the information presented. Numerous people have complained about this

>>> with

>>> good cause.

>>> - The SPEECH to Text function is a joke. It doesnt work!

>>> - Vistas "better memory management" is a myth. By loading vast amount of

>>> data on to the ram and therefore "using it all" there is no significant

>>> improvement in performance compared to XP. In fact XP wins hands down on

>>> almost all comparisons.

>>> - The fast vista boot is also a myth. Systems with lots of programs

>>> installed,

>>> start just as slow as XP

>>> - The "Branded sounds" in Vista was a stupid thing that users don't like

>>> and

>>> are looking for ways to change.

>>> - Windows Mail uses EML format and that creates thousands upon thousands

>>> of

>>> files when you have lots of emails, the result is slower loading of

>>> windows

>>> mail and very bad performance.

>>> - The simplified vista DEFRAGMENT with no visual feedback is slower, and

>>> most people absolutely hate it. A clear degrade from XP's defrag. The

>>> result

>>> is people searching for third party solutions

>>> -Copying and moving files in vista is a joke.. even deleting small files

>>> takes up to much time.

>>> -Network speed is horrendous

>>> -People hate the internet explorer 7 toolbar that cannot be configured.

>>> -SP1 will not save vista, its bad design is so well integrated that

>>> nothing

>>> can save it.

>>> -Windows vista is over-all comparably the worse OS Microsoft has ever

>>> made..

>>> even worse that windows Me.

>>> -The cost of use of vista (in time, labor and upgrade expenses) is more

>>> than anything ever seen before.

>>> -People who really like vista are stupid. No one who has above average

>>> intelligence could actually think vista is a good OS. Sorry guys.

>>>

>>> Over all vista has a "not finished" badly designed, amateur, and stupid

>>> feeling to it that frustrates the common user. So much that people have

>>> shot vista computers with guns!

>>>

>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>>

>>

>> Please add some of my 'favorite' annoyances:

>>

>> - Impossible to change language of the OS (unless it is Zulu)

>> - Impossible to resize some windows (core-Vista windows. I have windows

>> in IIS7/msconfig that contain information I cannot read because it is

>> behind a button or something like that.)

>> - Why can Vista not copy a 300MB file from cdrom?

>> I am sure my old W95 box could do that...

>> I get exceptions/errors thrown at my head if I try. (Workaround, zip the

>> file from cdrom to desktop, unzip it there. Even if the zipping gives 0

>> results in smaller filesize, it circumvents Vistas inability to copy

>> large files.)

>>

>> Regards,

>> Erwin Moller

>

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Don't tell the EU that. They are wild enough to double it.

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>> Are you paid by Bill ? Your earnings will decrease for sure after

>> Microsof has paid European Community ! 500,000,000 â‚¬ ....

>

> Ehhh, while that's a nice amount...isn't that pretty much just spare

> pocket change to MS?

>

> --

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Ezmerelda LaDouche wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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>> Ron K. wrote:

>>> Ah another Linux troll.

>> Another top posting Wintard who has reading comprehension problem. "Harry"

>> said he "went back to XP Pro". Last I checked, there is no Linux Distro

>> called "XP Pro".

>>

> You out of prison already -

How desperate can you get, making up lies instead of addressing content.

Trying to be like Frank, are ya?

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Frank wrote:

> Ezmerelda LaDouche wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fcn1tv$uvh$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> Ron K. wrote:

>>>

>>>> Ah another Linux troll.

>>>

>>> Another top posting Wintard who has reading comprehension problem.

>>> "Harry" said he "went back to XP Pro". Last I checked, there is no

>>> Linux Distro called "XP Pro".

>>>

>>

>> You out of prison already -

>

> hehehe...he's on the early release program cause of overcrowding1

> Frank

Good old Frank, never addresses content and lamely tries to "win" the

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Frank wrote:

> I eat vista wrote:

>

>> Yanaire I see you are following the footsteps of your role model Frank..

>> be careful, he is dumber than you.. but you are trying hard to reach

>> his level of stupidity.

>>

>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>> news:eNuWFSX%23HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> "I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:46eef4ea@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>

>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn" uses

>>>> disk

>>>> structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of Windows.

>>>>

>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

>>>

>>> Actually you are wrong. The problem occurs is when you type

>>> something and post to the vista.general group.

>>>

>>>> AGAIN YOU STUPID IDIOT

>>>

>>> You are talking about yourself again.

>>>

>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

>>>>

>>>

>>> The problem occurs when you do anything, anywhere. Best thing you

>>> can do is flush yourself down the toilet. Just FYI.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Frank" <fb@nosspan.clim> wrote in message

>>>> news:uyUDMuW%23HHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:42:52 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> First of all space cadet, you need to realize that the

>>>>>>> restore/delete

>>>>>>> problem is an XP problem.

>>>>>>> Not a Vista problem.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Actually it is a Vista problem. XP already existed, so why doesn't

>>>>>> Vista create it's restore points in such a way that XP doesn't get

>>>>>> confused by them and delete them?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> XP can't look in the future and know Vista exists so it can't take

>>>>>> changes in Vista into account.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista however was created after XP so it shouldn't be creating

>>>>>> restore points in such a way that it causes XP to delete them. It

>>>>>> isn't causing problems with XP..it's ultimately causing problems

>>>>>> with Vista, making it a Vista problem.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> It's an XP problem:

>>>>>

>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185

>>>>>

>>>>> ..."This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn" uses

>>>>> disk structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of

>>>>> Windows. Therefore, the earlier operating system deletes Windows

>>>>> Vista shadow copies or Windows Server "Longhorn" shadow copies

>>>>> together with the associated restore points. This behavior occurs

>>>>> because the earlier Windows operating systems do not recognize the

>>>>> new disk structures."

>>>>>

>>>>> Proly be fixed by XP SP3.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>

>>

> Why are you here?

> You're not using Vista are you?

> Frank

Can you prove you are by using Windows Mail instead of T-Bird?

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Ezmerelda LaDouche wrote:

> Aren't you the one with that mentally disabled syndrome. Just FYI. I am so

> sorry to hear about your condition. Just FYI. I hear there are facilities

> throughout the country that can help someone like you. Just FYI.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Just FYI

Hi again silly,

"Just FYI?"

I wonder why I see that useless phrase in every line you write.

Why do you do that?

It is compulsive?

Are you jalous and looking for a way to get a syndrome named after YOU?

And stop topposting please.

You are clearly completely clueless when it comes to usenet.

If you feel adventerous, you could try to max your attentionspan to your

utter limit and read this:

http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

It boils down to this old summary:

Answer: It destroys the order of the conversation.

Question: Why is that?

Answer: Topposting!

Question: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

And one last thing: Why don't you try to add some content to the

conversations in here for a change? Like actually helping somebody or

asking a question that makes sense?

Bye bye.

Erwin

>

> "Erwin Moller"

> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com> wrote in

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>> I eat vista wrote:

>>> I am very happy to say that things I have been saying over the past 1

>>> year

>>> are all confirmed. Of course I am sad to see that I had to say all these

>>> things in the first place.

>>> Vista should have been better, then no need for criticism and rejection

>>> would exist.

>>>

>>> - Vista is far slower than XP

>>> - Vista search is horrid, slow, gets corrupted and thrashes the disk. The

>>> service should be turned off. It doesnt work.

>>> - The vista start menu design is extremely bad, with menus that collapse

>>> upon itself.

>>> - Vista is unstable and incompatible with no great reason since it is NT

>>> kernel.

>>> - Vista is not user friendly, creating frustration to the simple user

>>> - Readyboost is a gimmick that helps only a small percentage of machines.

>>> Its more of a crutch to help vista pull its own obese weight. Many have

>>> reported a NEGATIVE result when trying it on machines with much ram.

>>> - Vista is not compatible with XP when in dual boot, since its restore

>>> format conflicts with XP and XP detects it and erases it. Clearly a vista

>>> problem since the vista designers should have taken this into account.

>>> -The colors and fonts and general design of the theme makes it hard to

>>> see

>>> the information presented. Numerous people have complained about this

>>> with

>>> good cause.

>>> - The SPEECH to Text function is a joke. It doesnt work!

>>> - Vistas "better memory management" is a myth. By loading vast amount of

>>> data on to the ram and therefore "using it all" there is no significant

>>> improvement in performance compared to XP. In fact XP wins hands down on

>>> almost all comparisons.

>>> - The fast vista boot is also a myth. Systems with lots of programs

>>> installed,

>>> start just as slow as XP

>>> - The "Branded sounds" in Vista was a stupid thing that users don't like

>>> and

>>> are looking for ways to change.

>>> - Windows Mail uses EML format and that creates thousands upon thousands

>>> of

>>> files when you have lots of emails, the result is slower loading of

>>> windows

>>> mail and very bad performance.

>>> - The simplified vista DEFRAGMENT with no visual feedback is slower, and

>>> most people absolutely hate it. A clear degrade from XP's defrag. The

>>> result

>>> is people searching for third party solutions

>>> -Copying and moving files in vista is a joke.. even deleting small files

>>> takes up to much time.

>>> -Network speed is horrendous

>>> -People hate the internet explorer 7 toolbar that cannot be configured.

>>> -SP1 will not save vista, its bad design is so well integrated that

>>> nothing

>>> can save it.

>>> -Windows vista is over-all comparably the worse OS Microsoft has ever

>>> made..

>>> even worse that windows Me.

>>> -The cost of use of vista (in time, labor and upgrade expenses) is more

>>> than anything ever seen before.

>>> -People who really like vista are stupid. No one who has above average

>>> intelligence could actually think vista is a good OS. Sorry guys.

>>>

>>> Over all vista has a "not finished" badly designed, amateur, and stupid

>>> feeling to it that frustrates the common user. So much that people have

>>> shot vista computers with guns!

>>>

>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>>

>> Please add some of my 'favorite' annoyances:

>>

>> - Impossible to change language of the OS (unless it is Zulu)

>> - Impossible to resize some windows (core-Vista windows. I have windows in

>> IIS7/msconfig that contain information I cannot read because it is behind

>> a button or something like that.)

>> - Why can Vista not copy a 300MB file from cdrom?

>> I am sure my old W95 box could do that...

>> I get exceptions/errors thrown at my head if I try. (Workaround, zip the

>> file from cdrom to desktop, unzip it there. Even if the zipping gives 0

>> results in smaller filesize, it circumvents Vistas inability to copy large

>> files.)

>>

>> Regards,

>> Erwin Moller

>

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> I eat vista wrote:

>>

>>> Yanaire I see you are following the footsteps of your role model Frank..

>>> be careful, he is dumber than you.. but you are trying hard to reach

>>> his level of stupidity.

>>>

>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eNuWFSX%23HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> "I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:46eef4ea@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>

>>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn" uses

>>>>> disk

>>>>> structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of Windows.

>>>>>

>>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

>>>>

>>>> Actually you are wrong. The problem occurs is when you type

>>>> something and post to the vista.general group.

>>>>

>>>>> AGAIN YOU STUPID IDIOT

>>>>

>>>> You are talking about yourself again.

>>>>

>>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> The problem occurs when you do anything, anywhere. Best thing you

>>>> can do is flush yourself down the toilet. Just FYI.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Frank" <fb@nosspan.clim> wrote in message

>>>>> news:uyUDMuW%23HHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:42:52 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> First of all space cadet, you need to realize that the

>>>>>>>> restore/delete

>>>>>>>> problem is an XP problem.

>>>>>>>> Not a Vista problem.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Actually it is a Vista problem. XP already existed, so why

>>>>>>> doesn't Vista create it's restore points in such a way that XP

>>>>>>> doesn't get confused by them and delete them?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> XP can't look in the future and know Vista exists so it can't

>>>>>>> take changes in Vista into account.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vista however was created after XP so it shouldn't be creating

>>>>>>> restore points in such a way that it causes XP to delete them. It

>>>>>>> isn't causing problems with XP..it's ultimately causing problems

>>>>>>> with Vista, making it a Vista problem.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It's an XP problem:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ..."This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn"

>>>>>> uses disk structures that are incompatible with earlier versions

>>>>>> of Windows. Therefore, the earlier operating system deletes

>>>>>> Windows Vista shadow copies or Windows Server "Longhorn" shadow

>>>>>> copies together with the associated restore points. This behavior

>>>>>> occurs because the earlier Windows operating systems do not

>>>>>> recognize the new disk structures."

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Proly be fixed by XP SP3.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>> Why are you here?

>> You're not using Vista are you?

>> Frank

>

> Can you prove you are by using Windows Mail instead of T-Bird?

>

hehehe...still haven't learned how to read a header, huh?

You're pathetic!

Idiot!

Frank

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> I eat vista wrote:

>>>

>>>> Yanaire I see you are following the footsteps of your role model

>>>> Frank..

>>>> be careful, he is dumber than you.. but you are trying hard to reach

>>>> his level of stupidity.

>>>>

>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:eNuWFSX%23HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> "I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:46eef4ea@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn"

>>>>>> uses disk

>>>>>> structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of Windows.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

>>>>>

>>>>> Actually you are wrong. The problem occurs is when you type

>>>>> something and post to the vista.general group.

>>>>>

>>>>>> AGAIN YOU STUPID IDIOT

>>>>>

>>>>> You are talking about yourself again.

>>>>>

>>>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The problem occurs when you do anything, anywhere. Best thing you

>>>>> can do is flush yourself down the toilet. Just FYI.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Frank" <fb@nosspan.clim> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:uyUDMuW%23HHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:42:52 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> First of all space cadet, you need to realize that the

>>>>>>>>> restore/delete

>>>>>>>>> problem is an XP problem.

>>>>>>>>> Not a Vista problem.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Actually it is a Vista problem. XP already existed, so why

>>>>>>>> doesn't Vista create it's restore points in such a way that XP

>>>>>>>> doesn't get confused by them and delete them?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> XP can't look in the future and know Vista exists so it can't

>>>>>>>> take changes in Vista into account.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vista however was created after XP so it shouldn't be creating

>>>>>>>> restore points in such a way that it causes XP to delete them.

>>>>>>>> It isn't causing problems with XP..it's ultimately causing

>>>>>>>> problems with Vista, making it a Vista problem.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It's an XP problem:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ..."This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that

>>>>>>> is included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn"

>>>>>>> uses disk structures that are incompatible with earlier versions

>>>>>>> of Windows. Therefore, the earlier operating system deletes

>>>>>>> Windows Vista shadow copies or Windows Server "Longhorn" shadow

>>>>>>> copies together with the associated restore points. This behavior

>>>>>>> occurs because the earlier Windows operating systems do not

>>>>>>> recognize the new disk structures."

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Proly be fixed by XP SP3.

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>> Why are you here?

>>> You're not using Vista are you?

>>> Frank

>>

>> Can you prove you are by using Windows Mail instead of T-Bird?

>>

>

> hehehe...still haven't learned how to read a header, huh?

> You're pathetic!

> Idiot!

> Frank

I didn't notice that you're using NT 6.0. I made a mistake. Will you

forgive me?

That said, T-Bird is Open Source. After all the bluster, lies and

insults that you've hurled at Open Source, one could say that you're a

bloody hypocrite. How come you're not using the groovy Windows Mail,

Frankie? It T-Bird better than Windows Mail?

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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:29:56 -0700, Frank <fb@nosspan.clim> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> I eat vista wrote:

>>>

>>>> Yanaire I see you are following the footsteps of your role model Frank..

>>>> be careful, he is dumber than you.. but you are trying hard to reach

>>>> his level of stupidity.

>>>>

>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:eNuWFSX%23HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> "I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:46eef4ea@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn" uses

>>>>>> disk

>>>>>> structures that are incompatible with earlier versions of Windows.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

>>>>>

>>>>> Actually you are wrong. The problem occurs is when you type

>>>>> something and post to the vista.general group.

>>>>>

>>>>>> AGAIN YOU STUPID IDIOT

>>>>>

>>>>> You are talking about yourself again.

>>>>>

>>>>>> This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The problem occurs when you do anything, anywhere. Best thing you

>>>>> can do is flush yourself down the toilet. Just FYI.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Frank" <fb@nosspan.clim> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:uyUDMuW%23HHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:42:52 -0700, Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> First of all space cadet, you need to realize that the

>>>>>>>>> restore/delete

>>>>>>>>> problem is an XP problem.

>>>>>>>>> Not a Vista problem.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Actually it is a Vista problem. XP already existed, so why

>>>>>>>> doesn't Vista create it's restore points in such a way that XP

>>>>>>>> doesn't get confused by them and delete them?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> XP can't look in the future and know Vista exists so it can't

>>>>>>>> take changes in Vista into account.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vista however was created after XP so it shouldn't be creating

>>>>>>>> restore points in such a way that it causes XP to delete them. It

>>>>>>>> isn't causing problems with XP..it's ultimately causing problems

>>>>>>>> with Vista, making it a Vista problem.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It's an XP problem:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ..."This problem occurs because the volume snapshot driver that is

>>>>>>> included with Windows Vista and with Windows Server "Longhorn"

>>>>>>> uses disk structures that are incompatible with earlier versions

>>>>>>> of Windows. Therefore, the earlier operating system deletes

>>>>>>> Windows Vista shadow copies or Windows Server "Longhorn" shadow

>>>>>>> copies together with the associated restore points. This behavior

>>>>>>> occurs because the earlier Windows operating systems do not

>>>>>>> recognize the new disk structures."

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Proly be fixed by XP SP3.

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>> Why are you here?

>>> You're not using Vista are you?

>>> Frank

>>

>> Can you prove you are by using Windows Mail instead of T-Bird?

>>

>

>hehehe...still haven't learned how to read a header, huh?

>You're pathetic!

>Idiot!

>Frank

More unbelievable stupidity from the newsgroup moron Frank. It is

BECAUSE many of us CAN read a newsgroup header we know the idiot Frank

posts under multiple names.

ROTFLMAO!

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> That said, T-Bird is Open Source. After all the bluster, lies and

> insults that you've hurled at Open Source, one could say that you're a

> bloody hypocrite.

Apparently, on top of not being able to reade a header you don't know

the difference between an os and a news reader.

How come you're not using the groovy Windows Mail,

I've never used OE nor WM and have no intentions of doing so.

You're really one confused, sad person.

> Frankie? It T-Bird better than Windows Mail?

How would I know? I'm not using either.

Frank

>

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Adam Albright wrote:

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> More unbelievable stupidity from the newsgroup moron Frank. It is

> BECAUSE many of us CAN read a newsgroup header we know the idiot Frank

> posts under multiple names.

>

> ROTFLMAO!

>

Multiple names?

Sorry, never, ever done that.

You're drunk again right?

You're getting your stupid act down really good!

Frank

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"bob_c_b" <bob_c_b.2x29g1@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

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>

> I eat vista454408 Wrote:

>>

>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>

> I feel so fortunate :sarc:

>

> Honestly, most of this is mis-informed opinion. Vista was a bumpy ride

> back in January but things have gotten much better.

RC1 won't update any more, and "I Eat Vista" can't afford the proper OS

until he gets his birthday money - it's a good one this year, as he reaches

his teen years! Trouble is, he's got to wait for his Christmas money too if

he wants to get "Home Basic".

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> "bob_c_b" <bob_c_b.2x29g1@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

> news:bob_c_b.2x29g1@no-mx.forums.net...

>

>>

>> I eat vista454408 Wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>

>> I feel so fortunate :sarc:

>>

>> Honestly, most of this is mis-informed opinion. Vista was a bumpy ride

>> back in January but things have gotten much better.

>

> RC1 won't update any more, and "I Eat Vista" can't afford the proper OS

> until he gets his birthday money - it's a good one this year, as he

> reaches his teen years! Trouble is, he's got to wait for his Christmas

> money too if he wants to get "Home Basic".

hehehe...that's funny! :-)

Frank

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Re: Oh my... Aren't you the one...

"I eat vista" <Ieatvista@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> stop insulting people who are smarter and better than you and smarter than

> you...

>

> wait. I said said smarter than you twice..

See how stupid you are? You should wipe Vista from your PC and install

Ubuntu - Just FYI

>

> perhaps its because you are incredibly stupid!

No numbnuts, you are an a-hole- Just FYI

Just FYI

>

> "Ezmerelda LaDouche" <ELD@ladouche.com> wrote in message

> news:O7DTJWZ%23HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Aren't you the one with that mentally disabled syndrome. Just FYI. I am

>> so sorry to hear about your condition. Just FYI. I hear there are

>> facilities throughout the country that can help someone like you. Just

>> FYI.

>>

>> Good luck.

>>

>> Just FYI

>>

>> "Erwin Moller"

>> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com> wrote in

>> message news:46ee9920$0$244$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...

>>>I eat vista wrote:

>>>> I am very happy to say that things I have been saying over the past 1

>>>> year

>>>> are all confirmed. Of course I am sad to see that I had to say all

>>>> these things in the first place.

>>>> Vista should have been better, then no need for criticism and rejection

>>>> would exist.

>>>>

>>>> - Vista is far slower than XP

>>>> - Vista search is horrid, slow, gets corrupted and thrashes the disk.

>>>> The

>>>> service should be turned off. It doesnt work.

>>>> - The vista start menu design is extremely bad, with menus that

>>>> collapse

>>>> upon itself.

>>>> - Vista is unstable and incompatible with no great reason since it is

>>>> NT

>>>> kernel.

>>>> - Vista is not user friendly, creating frustration to the simple user

>>>> - Readyboost is a gimmick that helps only a small percentage of

>>>> machines.

>>>> Its more of a crutch to help vista pull its own obese weight. Many have

>>>> reported a NEGATIVE result when trying it on machines with much ram.

>>>> - Vista is not compatible with XP when in dual boot, since its restore

>>>> format conflicts with XP and XP detects it and erases it. Clearly a

>>>> vista

>>>> problem since the vista designers should have taken this into account.

>>>> -The colors and fonts and general design of the theme makes it hard to

>>>> see

>>>> the information presented. Numerous people have complained about this

>>>> with

>>>> good cause.

>>>> - The SPEECH to Text function is a joke. It doesnt work!

>>>> - Vistas "better memory management" is a myth. By loading vast amount

>>>> of

>>>> data on to the ram and therefore "using it all" there is no significant

>>>> improvement in performance compared to XP. In fact XP wins hands down

>>>> on

>>>> almost all comparisons.

>>>> - The fast vista boot is also a myth. Systems with lots of programs

>>>> installed,

>>>> start just as slow as XP

>>>> - The "Branded sounds" in Vista was a stupid thing that users don't

>>>> like and

>>>> are looking for ways to change.

>>>> - Windows Mail uses EML format and that creates thousands upon

>>>> thousands of

>>>> files when you have lots of emails, the result is slower loading of

>>>> windows

>>>> mail and very bad performance.

>>>> - The simplified vista DEFRAGMENT with no visual feedback is slower,

>>>> and

>>>> most people absolutely hate it. A clear degrade from XP's defrag. The

>>>> result

>>>> is people searching for third party solutions

>>>> -Copying and moving files in vista is a joke.. even deleting small

>>>> files

>>>> takes up to much time.

>>>> -Network speed is horrendous

>>>> -People hate the internet explorer 7 toolbar that cannot be configured.

>>>> -SP1 will not save vista, its bad design is so well integrated that

>>>> nothing

>>>> can save it.

>>>> -Windows vista is over-all comparably the worse OS Microsoft has ever

>>>> made..

>>>> even worse that windows Me.

>>>> -The cost of use of vista (in time, labor and upgrade expenses) is more

>>>> than anything ever seen before.

>>>> -People who really like vista are stupid. No one who has above average

>>>> intelligence could actually think vista is a good OS. Sorry guys.

>>>>

>>>> Over all vista has a "not finished" badly designed, amateur, and stupid

>>>> feeling to it that frustrates the common user. So much that people have

>>>> shot vista computers with guns!

>>>>

>>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>>>

>>>

>>> Please add some of my 'favorite' annoyances:

>>>

>>> - Impossible to change language of the OS (unless it is Zulu)

>>> - Impossible to resize some windows (core-Vista windows. I have windows

>>> in IIS7/msconfig that contain information I cannot read because it is

>>> behind a button or something like that.)

>>> - Why can Vista not copy a 300MB file from cdrom?

>>> I am sure my old W95 box could do that...

>>> I get exceptions/errors thrown at my head if I try. (Workaround, zip the

>>> file from cdrom to desktop, unzip it there. Even if the zipping gives 0

>>> results in smaller filesize, it circumvents Vistas inability to copy

>>> large files.)

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Erwin Moller

>>

>

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> John Whitworth wrote:

>>

>> "bob_c_b" <bob_c_b.2x29g1@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

>> news:bob_c_b.2x29g1@no-mx.forums.net...

>>

>>>

>>> I eat vista454408 Wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>>

>>> I feel so fortunate :sarc:

>>>

>>> Honestly, most of this is mis-informed opinion. Vista was a bumpy ride

>>> back in January but things have gotten much better.

>>

>> RC1 won't update any more, and "I Eat Vista" can't afford the proper

>> OS until he gets his birthday money - it's a good one this year, as he

>> reaches his teen years! Trouble is, he's got to wait for his Christmas

>> money too if he wants to get "Home Basic".

>

> hehehe...that's funny! :-)

> Frank

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> Alias wrote:

>

>>

>> That said, T-Bird is Open Source. After all the bluster, lies and

>> insults that you've hurled at Open Source, one could say that you're a

>> bloody hypocrite.

>

> Apparently, on top of not being able to reade a header you don't know

> the difference between an os and a news reader.

Of course I do. That won't stop you from LYING and saying I don't, will it?

>

> How come you're not using the groovy Windows Mail,

>

> I've never used OE nor WM and have no intentions of doing so.

> You're really one confused, sad person.

I thought you think that Vista is the best thing since sliced bread.

>

>> Frankie? It T-Bird better than Windows Mail?

>

> How would I know? I'm not using either.

> Frank

You're using an Open Source news reader. I guess you've conveniently

forgotten all your "open sores" references yet you use Open Source

yourself. This makes you a hypocrite.

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> Frank wrote:

>

>> John Whitworth wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> "bob_c_b" <bob_c_b.2x29g1@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

>>> news:bob_c_b.2x29g1@no-mx.forums.net...

>>>

>>>>

>>>> I eat vista454408 Wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>>>

>>>> I feel so fortunate :sarc:

>>>>

>>>> Honestly, most of this is mis-informed opinion. Vista was a bumpy ride

>>>> back in January but things have gotten much better.

>>>

>>> RC1 won't update any more, and "I Eat Vista" can't afford the proper

>>> OS until he gets his birthday money - it's a good one this year, as

>>> he reaches his teen years! Trouble is, he's got to wait for his

>>> Christmas money too if he wants to get "Home Basic".

>>

>> hehehe...that's funny! :-)

>> Frank

>

> Right on cue, Frank salutes someone who uses lies, insults and bluster.

>

hehehe...my little Pavlovian dog!

Frank

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> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> John Whitworth wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "bob_c_b" <bob_c_b.2x29g1@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:bob_c_b.2x29g1@no-mx.forums.net...

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I eat vista454408 Wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have more.. I might add with later posts...

>>>>>

>>>>> I feel so fortunate :sarc:

>>>>>

>>>>> Honestly, most of this is mis-informed opinion. Vista was a bumpy ride

>>>>> back in January but things have gotten much better.

>>>>

>>>> RC1 won't update any more, and "I Eat Vista" can't afford the proper

>>>> OS until he gets his birthday money - it's a good one this year, as

>>>> he reaches his teen years! Trouble is, he's got to wait for his

>>>> Christmas money too if he wants to get "Home Basic".

>>>

>>> hehehe...that's funny! :-)

>>> Frank

>>

>> Right on cue, Frank salutes someone who uses lies, insults and bluster.

>>

>

> hehehe...my little Pavlovian dog!

> Frank

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