"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:25:25 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>

>>> Comprehension isn't required. Only being able to read English. Stop

>>> making feeble excuses for your poor conduct. You called Alias crazy.

>>> Own up to it or be seen as a sniveling coward. Your choice.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Damn man, seek help. Don't walk, run to the nearly mental health

>>>>> facility. You are border line psycho for sure.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Now more insults.

>>>

>>> Not insults, FACTS. You lied, first pretending you didn't say what you

>>> said, then you attempted to make excuses for what you said. That is

>>> the very essence of delusional behavior or just being a pathological

>>> liar. Maybe you would prefer that label. Take your pick.

>>>

>>>>you really are desperate trying to persuade people that I

>>>>have said something that I have not even though the evidence is all

>>>>there

>>>>in

>>>>black and green.

>>>

>>> You're still in denial. Another sign of a delusional mental state.

>>> What you said is clear. You accused Alias of being crazy. Now you are

>>> desperate to try to parse what you said.

>>>

>>> Your conduct was totally uncalled for since Alias seems to be one of

>>> the more rational posters. Never mind he's passionate about Linux,

>>> which many here hold against him. So what, a lot of "crazies" here are

>>> far more passionate about Vista. The difference is Alias doesn't fly

>>> off the handle or rant and rave like some loons here always do.

>>>

>>> While Alias and I disagree on several things none the less we can

>>> respect each other and still have a normal conversation. Something the

>>> fanboy crowd rarely is capable of.

>>>

>>

>>You are being stupid.

>

> Oh I see, this must be another of your comments where you don't mean

> what you're saying I'm just confused, right?

>

>>Note: that doesn't say you are stupid just in case you are stupid and

>>can't

>>understand.

>

> You're right on cue. I understand you perfectly. You think you can

> insult people, then deny you insulted them then go on pretending when

> you call someone crazy or stupid you're just playing or we don't

> understand what you really meant. Got it.

 

The more you say the more stupid you sound.

Just in case this is a cultural misunderstanding what nationality are you

and are you fluent in English?

>>

>>BTW why do you have this fixation on a fanboy crowd?

>

> No fixation, just an observation how most of the crazies here act

> alike. You're no exception. Want me to explain it to you in still

> simpler terms?

>

>>Isn't it something of your own creation?

>

> Now you're confusing me with the village idiot Frank. It creates

> things out of his fantasy world. His latest creation is he's a WWII

> vet. That makes him pushing 90. You won't have to wait long for him to

> say oh, I didn't meant that and like you pretend he didn't understand

> to imply he served in WWII, he just got WWII benefits. Sure right.

 

Frank has explained that in simple terms that most people understand.. but

you act stupid and don't understand.

Or at least I think its an act but I may wrong.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:22:14 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>The more you say the more stupid you sound.

>Just in case this is a cultural misunderstanding what nationality are you

>and are you fluent in English?

 

Just admit you lied and I'll get off your back.

>

>>>

>>>BTW why do you have this fixation on a fanboy crowd?

>>

>> No fixation, just an observation how most of the crazies here act

>> alike. You're no exception. Want me to explain it to you in still

>> simpler terms?

>>

>>>Isn't it something of your own creation?

>>

>> Now you're confusing me with the village idiot Frank. It creates

>> things out of his fantasy world. His latest creation is he's a WWII

>> vet. That makes him pushing 90. You won't have to wait long for him to

>> say oh, I didn't meant that and like you pretend he didn't understand

>> to imply he served in WWII, he just got WWII benefits. Sure right.

>

>Frank has explained that in simple terms that most people understand.. but

>you act stupid and don't understand.

>Or at least I think its an act but I may wrong.

 

Look who's calling who stupid. You lied. You then deny it. Then you

admitted you lied after being called on it, weakly tying to parse your

words to suite your lies. Then you try to make up some half-ass

reason why you lied and now you call me stupid?

 

Hell man, I know there are a lot of dim witted fools in this newsgroup

but for you to pretend you have superior intelligence is really

stretching it.

 

ROTFLAMO!

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:22:14 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>>The more you say the more stupid you sound.

>>Just in case this is a cultural misunderstanding what nationality are you

>>and are you fluent in English?

>

> Just admit you lied and I'll get off your back.

>>

>>>>

>>>>BTW why do you have this fixation on a fanboy crowd?

>>>

>>> No fixation, just an observation how most of the crazies here act

>>> alike. You're no exception. Want me to explain it to you in still

>>> simpler terms?

>>>

>>>>Isn't it something of your own creation?

>>>

>>> Now you're confusing me with the village idiot Frank. It creates

>>> things out of his fantasy world. His latest creation is he's a WWII

>>> vet. That makes him pushing 90. You won't have to wait long for him to

>>> say oh, I didn't meant that and like you pretend he didn't understand

>>> to imply he served in WWII, he just got WWII benefits. Sure right.

>>

>>Frank has explained that in simple terms that most people understand.. but

>>you act stupid and don't understand.

>>Or at least I think its an act but I may wrong.

>

> Look who's calling who stupid. You lied. You then deny it. Then you

> admitted you lied after being called on it, weakly tying to parse your

> words to suite your lies. Then you try to make up some half-ass

> reason why you lied and now you call me stupid?

>

> Hell man, I know there are a lot of dim witted fools in this newsgroup

> but for you to pretend you have superior intelligence is really

> stretching it.

>

> ROTFLAMO!

>

>

 

Don't roll on the floor Preacher Man.

You should be kneeling.

Getting ready for your next sanctimonious sermon.

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>> "Erwin Moller"

>>>> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com>

>>>> wrote in message news:46eeaa68$0$227$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...

>>>>

>>>>> So lets focus on the argument, and simply not take each other word

>>>>> for it.

>>>>

>>>> There is no argument..

>>>> you have the view that because the code is public lots of people

>>>> will read it, understand it, and make sure its safe.

>>>> I say they can't/don't do that and have offered evidence that backs

>>>> my view.

>>>> Until you have some actual evidence the argument is finished.

>>>

>>>

>>> Just a quick scan before giving up for the night and a happened to

>>> find this post :)

>>>

>>> Have to say Dennis that is something I've always said...

>>>

>>> Why, unless working on a section of it currently, would anyone sit

>>> and wade through the code for (say) a Linux Kernel?

>>>

>>> Surely you would modify the bit you were working on and compile the

>>> whole thing again... thus recompiling something that may be incorrect

>>> or even malicious that sneaked in before. I mean I know this

>>> "Shouldn't" happen but that does not equate to "Couldn't" happen, and

>>> it seems to me that risk is somewhat dependent on such things as a

>>> strict version control system.

>>>

>>> Considering that there are many more independent "Fingers in the pie"

>>> than there are with (Say) Sun or Microsoft I don't think you can make

>>> a straight comparison between open and closed code. There's no

>>> doubting that errors still happen.

>>

>> Yeah, but Windows boxes have been proven to be more virus prone and

>> Windows boxes are the only boxes that are members of herd bots that

>> send us all the spam. You are talking about a theoretical possibility

>> when, in reality, Windows boxes are the ones spreading crap all over

>> the Internet, not Linux boxes. Proof is in the pudding and all that jazz.

>>

>> The fact that preinstalled Windows boxes that come from the likes of

>> Dell and HP are bundled with trial crap should tell you how much the

>> large computer vendors care about their customers.

>>

>

>

> Actually I made a careless mistake a few months back leaving a mail

> server "Open Relay" for a few minutes while making some settings changes

> (Simply didn't notice it had started up) and it was put to use

> immediately, which considering the time is was up and running might

> surprise you. That was Debian. Absolutely nothing to do with the

> software or the OS, entirely my own fault.

>

> I agree that many MS defaults were badly designed, better to make it not

> work and have people turn it on that have it all on and nobody aware

> enough to notice, and even some that are aware make mistakes like I did,

> so yes "Windows" has been responsible for some problems, however MS have

> improved their defaults and now user problems are a large part of it,

> either because they have older installs with no updates or just simply

> lack knowledge. If you really want these people to leave Windows and

> join Linux than you have to expect the Windows Vs Linux argument to

> become Windows users Vs Linux users.

 

A properly set up Ubuntu would be far safer for an average user than a

box with Windows from any major OEM vendor. Most users don't set up

email servers they use Yahoo, Hotmail or their ISP's email servers.

 

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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:20:37 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>"

>Don't roll on the floor Preacher Man.

>You should be kneeling.

>Getting ready for your next sanctimonious sermon.

 

Very strange that Frank and all his "supports" have very similar

router hops at the start of their string.

 

Yours:TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

 

His: TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:20:37 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>

>>"

>>Don't roll on the floor Preacher Man.

>>You should be kneeling.

>>Getting ready for your next sanctimonious sermon.

>

> Very strange that Frank and all his "supports" have very similar

> router hops at the start of their string.

>

> Yours:TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

>

> His: TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

>

 

 

Amen to that...Oh Pointless Pontificator

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:20:37 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>

>

>>"

>>Don't roll on the floor Preacher Man.

>>You should be kneeling.

>>Getting ready for your next sanctimonious sermon.

>

>

> Very strange that Frank and all his "supports" have very similar

> router hops at the start of their string.

>

> Yours:TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

>

> His: TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

>

 

Still haven't figured out how to read a header yet, huh?

Figures...mr genius...lol!

Idiot!

Take your meds!

Frank

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:22:14 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>>The more you say the more stupid you sound.

>>Just in case this is a cultural misunderstanding what nationality are you

>>and are you fluent in English?

>

> Just admit you lied and I'll get off your back.

 

Now you are starting to sound crazy like most stalkers are.

>>>>BTW why do you have this fixation on a fanboy crowd?

>>>

>>> No fixation, just an observation how most of the crazies here act

>>> alike. You're no exception. Want me to explain it to you in still

>>> simpler terms?

>>>

>>>>Isn't it something of your own creation?

>>>

>>> Now you're confusing me with the village idiot Frank. It creates

>>> things out of his fantasy world. His latest creation is he's a WWII

>>> vet. That makes him pushing 90. You won't have to wait long for him to

>>> say oh, I didn't meant that and like you pretend he didn't understand

>>> to imply he served in WWII, he just got WWII benefits. Sure right.

>>

>>Frank has explained that in simple terms that most people understand.. but

>>you act stupid and don't understand.

>>Or at least I think its an act but I may wrong.

>

> Look who's calling who stupid. You lied. You then deny it. Then you

> admitted you lied after being called on it, weakly tying to parse your

> words to suite your lies. Then you try to make up some half-ass

> reason why you lied and now you call me stupid?

 

You need help.. I have said none of those things and they are a figment of

your imagination.

Your mind distorts what you see to fit your warped views even when things

are put as simply as possible.

It is a problem I can't help you with as it needs someone inside your warped

view that you trust.

Anything I say is distorted by you to fit whatever irrational agenda your

mind has.

> Hell man, I know there are a lot of dim witted fools in this newsgroup

> but for you to pretend you have superior intelligence is really

> stretching it.

 

You have really lost it.

I will leave it for one of your friends to explain to you how absurd what

you say is.. I can't as you have a problem with listening to what I write.

 

BTW in a vain attempt to make things absolutely clear. I told alias he was

talking crazy and that doesn't mean I think he is crazy.

However in your case I think you may well be crazy.

Have you had a check-up recently?

If so get a second opinion with a specialist, if not please do so.

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> A properly set up Ubuntu would be far safer for an average user than a box

> with Windows from any major OEM vendor. Most users don't set up email

> servers they use Yahoo, Hotmail or their ISP's email servers.

>

 

There is little difference between a properly setup windows machine and a

properly setup linux box as far as security goes.

However most users will find it far easier to setup a windows machine than a

linux machine and there is more help about to do it.

There are lots of tools about to help the absolute beginner secure a windows

machine while there are none for linux as the developers assume the user

knows too much.

Frank wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:20:37 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>>

>>

>>> "

>>> Don't roll on the floor Preacher Man.

>>> You should be kneeling.

>>> Getting ready for your next sanctimonious sermon.

>>

>>

>> Very strange that Frank and all his "supports" have very similar

>> router hops at the start of their string.

>> Yours:TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

>>

>> His: TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

>>

>

> Still haven't figured out how to read a header yet, huh?

> Figures...mr genius...lol!

> Idiot!

> Take your meds!

> Frank

 

Your insults are nothing but clichés. No imagination?

 

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dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fcv03c$fps$1@aioe.org...

>

>> A properly set up Ubuntu would be far safer for an average user than a

>> box with Windows from any major OEM vendor. Most users don't set up

>> email servers they use Yahoo, Hotmail or their ISP's email servers.

>>

>

> There is little difference between a properly setup windows machine and

> a properly setup linux box as far as security goes.

 

LOL! *that's* funny! You *are* kidding, right? Millions upon millions of

viruses for Windows in the wild and not even a hundred for Linux. Pull

the other one.

> However most users will find it far easier to setup a windows machine

> than a linux machine and there is more help about to do it.

 

OEMs set it up for Windows, not the users. I said if Ubuntu was properly

set up FOR the user, it would be far safer. That said, I think Ubuntu is

easier to install than Windows.

> There are lots of tools about to help the absolute beginner secure a

> windows machine while there are none for linux as the developers assume

> the user knows too much.

 

False. I have gotten a lot more, and better informed, help from the

Ubuntu forums than the Windows forums and that's putting it mildly.

 

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fcv03c$fps$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> A properly set up Ubuntu would be far safer for an average user than a

>>> box with Windows from any major OEM vendor. Most users don't set up

>>> email servers they use Yahoo, Hotmail or their ISP's email servers.

>>>

>>

>> There is little difference between a properly setup windows machine and a

>> properly setup linux box as far as security goes.

>

> LOL! *that's* funny! You *are* kidding, right? Millions upon millions of

> viruses for Windows in the wild and not even a hundred for Linux. Pull the

> other one.

 

Viruses that can't do anything to a properly set up computer are just

viruses that do nothing.

You disregard the pottential exploits in linux by claiming they are fixed

but refuse to do the same for windows.. why is that?

>

>> However most users will find it far easier to setup a windows machine

>> than a linux machine and there is more help about to do it.

>

> OEMs set it up for Windows, not the users. I said if Ubuntu was properly

> set up FOR the user, it would be far safer. That said, I think Ubuntu is

> easier to install than Windows.

>

>> There are lots of tools about to help the absolute beginner secure a

>> windows machine while there are none for linux as the developers assume

>> the user knows too much.

>

> False. I have gotten a lot more, and better informed, help from the Ubuntu

> forums than the Windows forums and that's putting it mildly.

 

Are you claiming to be a beginner now? If so who secured your computer and

what tools were used?

dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fd0366$5r1$1@aioe.org...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fcv03c$fps$1@aioe.org...

>>>

>>>> A properly set up Ubuntu would be far safer for an average user than

>>>> a box with Windows from any major OEM vendor. Most users don't set

>>>> up email servers they use Yahoo, Hotmail or their ISP's email servers.

>>>>

>>>

>>> There is little difference between a properly setup windows machine

>>> and a properly setup linux box as far as security goes.

>>

>> LOL! *that's* funny! You *are* kidding, right? Millions upon millions

>> of viruses for Windows in the wild and not even a hundred for Linux.

>> Pull the other one.

>

> Viruses that can't do anything to a properly set up computer are just

> viruses that do nothing.

> You disregard the pottential exploits in linux by claiming they are

> fixed but refuse to do the same for windows.. why is that?

 

I get at least one update a day with Avast. Every time I check the Clam

AV that comes with Ubuntu, there's never an update. I just cleaned up

three XP computers that owned by average users and all of them had over

20 viruses even though all of them had OEM set up computers from the

likes of HP and Dell. My upstairs neighbor is another average computer

user and he would get viruses every other day with Windows. Since I set

up Ubuntu for him, he hasn't that problem any more.

>

>>

>>> However most users will find it far easier to setup a windows machine

>>> than a linux machine and there is more help about to do it.

>>

>> OEMs set it up for Windows, not the users. I said if Ubuntu was

>> properly set up FOR the user, it would be far safer. That said, I

>> think Ubuntu is easier to install than Windows.

>>

>>> There are lots of tools about to help the absolute beginner secure a

>>> windows machine while there are none for linux as the developers

>>> assume the user knows too much.

>>

>> False. I have gotten a lot more, and better informed, help from the

>> Ubuntu forums than the Windows forums and that's putting it mildly.

>

> Are you claiming to be a beginner now?

 

No. How do you figure? No one is an expert and everyone needs assistance

every once in a while, especially when using a new OS, be it Windows or

Linux.

> If so who secured your computer

> and what tools were used?

 

I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I

only install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

 

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> dennis@home wrote:

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fd0366$5r1$1@aioe.org...

>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fcv03c$fps$1@aioe.org...

>>>>

>>>>> A properly set up Ubuntu would be far safer for an average user than a

>>>>> box with Windows from any major OEM vendor. Most users don't set up

>>>>> email servers they use Yahoo, Hotmail or their ISP's email servers.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> There is little difference between a properly setup windows machine and

>>>> a properly setup linux box as far as security goes.

>>>

>>> LOL! *that's* funny! You *are* kidding, right? Millions upon millions of

>>> viruses for Windows in the wild and not even a hundred for Linux. Pull

>>> the other one.

>>

>> Viruses that can't do anything to a properly set up computer are just

>> viruses that do nothing.

>> You disregard the pottential exploits in linux by claiming they are fixed

>> but refuse to do the same for windows.. why is that?

>

> I get at least one update a day with Avast. Every time I check the Clam AV

> that comes with Ubuntu, there's never an update. I just cleaned up three

> XP computers that owned by average users and all of them had over 20

> viruses even though all of them had OEM set up computers from the likes of

> HP and Dell. My upstairs neighbor is another average computer user and he

> would get viruses every other day with Windows. Since I set up Ubuntu for

> him, he hasn't that problem any more.

 

Well clam AV doesn't get updated because it doesn't do anything useful.

As for your neighbours being average then it doesn't sound like it to me..

they have had far more trouble than anyone I know unless you are being

selective and just reporting the ones with problems like news groups do.

>>>> However most users will find it far easier to setup a windows machine

>>>> than a linux machine and there is more help about to do it.

>>>

>>> OEMs set it up for Windows, not the users. I said if Ubuntu was properly

>>> set up FOR the user, it would be far safer. That said, I think Ubuntu is

>>> easier to install than Windows.

>>>

>>>> There are lots of tools about to help the absolute beginner secure a

>>>> windows machine while there are none for linux as the developers assume

>>>> the user knows too much.

>>>

>>> False. I have gotten a lot more, and better informed, help from the

>>> Ubuntu forums than the Windows forums and that's putting it mildly.

>>

>> Are you claiming to be a beginner now?

>

> No. How do you figure?

 

Because I said "..help the absolute beginner.. " and you said "False. I

have gotten a lot more, and better informed, help..". It implies that you

are a beginner.

> No one is an expert and everyone needs assistance every once in a while,

> especially when using a new OS, be it Windows or Linux.

 

That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes. IME

its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best way.. they

tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a particular

way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level they

are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

 

>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>

> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I only

> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

 

The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just click

"allow" anyway.

dennis@home wrote:

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fd04pr$aen$1@aioe.org...

>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fd0366$5r1$1@aioe.org...

>>>> dennis@home wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fcv03c$fps$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> A properly set up Ubuntu would be far safer for an average user

>>>>>> than a box with Windows from any major OEM vendor. Most users

>>>>>> don't set up email servers they use Yahoo, Hotmail or their ISP's

>>>>>> email servers.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> There is little difference between a properly setup windows machine

>>>>> and a properly setup linux box as far as security goes.

>>>>

>>>> LOL! *that's* funny! You *are* kidding, right? Millions upon

>>>> millions of viruses for Windows in the wild and not even a hundred

>>>> for Linux. Pull the other one.

>>>

>>> Viruses that can't do anything to a properly set up computer are just

>>> viruses that do nothing.

>>> You disregard the pottential exploits in linux by claiming they are

>>> fixed but refuse to do the same for windows.. why is that?

>>

>> I get at least one update a day with Avast. Every time I check the

>> Clam AV that comes with Ubuntu, there's never an update. I just

>> cleaned up three XP computers that owned by average users and all of

>> them had over 20 viruses even though all of them had OEM set up

>> computers from the likes of HP and Dell. My upstairs neighbor is

>> another average computer user and he would get viruses every other day

>> with Windows. Since I set up Ubuntu for him, he hasn't that problem

>> any more.

>

> Well clam AV doesn't get updated because it doesn't do anything useful.

> As for your neighbours being average then it doesn't sound like it to

> me.. they have had far more trouble than anyone I know unless you are

> being selective and just reporting the ones with problems like news

> groups do.

 

Obviously the ones who call have problems. I was at a family's house the

other day and found over twenty viruses and uncountable registry

problems. They have two teen-aged daughters and I noticed that they use

eMule. When I was done cleaning it up, the younger, 14 year old cried

out "Messenger" and ran to the computer to start chatting and accepting

files from her contacts. I said to myself, "I'll be back". They hadn't

updated *any* of the security apps and didn't know how to get the newer

Avast version and complained that Avast kept telling them to update.

They had over 3,000 fragmented files. This is what I mean by an "average

user". I must give credit to XP, though, in that it still booted up with

all the above programs.

>

>>>>> However most users will find it far easier to setup a windows

>>>>> machine than a linux machine and there is more help about to do it.

>>>>

>>>> OEMs set it up for Windows, not the users. I said if Ubuntu was

>>>> properly set up FOR the user, it would be far safer. That said, I

>>>> think Ubuntu is easier to install than Windows.

>>>>

>>>>> There are lots of tools about to help the absolute beginner secure

>>>>> a windows machine while there are none for linux as the developers

>>>>> assume the user knows too much.

>>>>

>>>> False. I have gotten a lot more, and better informed, help from the

>>>> Ubuntu forums than the Windows forums and that's putting it mildly.

>>>

>>> Are you claiming to be a beginner now?

>>

>> No. How do you figure?

>

> Because I said "..help the absolute beginner.. " and you said "False. I

> have gotten a lot more, and better informed, help..". It implies that

> you are a beginner.

 

Well, I didn't mean it that way. I was just saying that an absolute

beginner, if they open Firefox after booting up Ubuntu, will get links

to forums, support and IRC.

>> No one is an expert and everyone needs assistance every once in a

>> while, especially when using a new OS, be it Windows or Linux.

>

> That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes.

 

*No one* is an expert.

> IME its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best

> way.. they tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in

> a particular way.. you should always try to listen to other people

> whatever level they are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

 

I agree.

>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>

>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I

>> only install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>

> The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

> software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just

> click "allow" anyway.

 

Agreed. With Ubuntu, it's also a good idea to only install programs from

the Ubuntu repository.

 

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:59 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

 

>That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes. IME

>its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best way.. they

>tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a particular

>way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level they

>are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

>

>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>

>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I only

>> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>

>The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

>software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just click

>"allow" anyway.

 

Oh God, not again. Another wannabe type trying to imply he's some

world renowned expert but oh, nearly everybody else in this newsgroup

must be below average in computer knowledge. I see you only as a LIAR.

You lie, then when caught you desperately try to parse your words and

try to fake you didn't say what you said. I guess you're too dumb to

know it, but you just described the actions of UAC.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:86j7f313884o79u7im1o6shjf3sdvjh5gd@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:59 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>

>>That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes. IME

>>its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best way.. they

>>tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a particular

>>way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level they

>>are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

>>

>>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>>

>>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I

>>> only

>>> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>>

>>The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

>>software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just click

>>"allow" anyway.

>

> Oh God, not again. Another wannabe type trying to imply he's some

> world renowned expert but oh, nearly everybody else in this newsgroup

> must be below average in computer knowledge. I see you only as a LIAR.

> You lie, then when caught you desperately try to parse your words and

> try to fake you didn't say what you said. I guess you're too dumb to

> know it, but you just described the actions of UAC.

>

 

I only see you as crazy.

Yes I did say I think you are crazy.

However I am not qualified to actually state that you really are crazy but I

am entitled to an opinion and you get what you deserve.

You have lost touch with reality and try to reach conclusions that are

irrational, a sure sign of problems.

You also appear to lie for no reason what so ever.. you gain nothing so you

must have a problem to do it.

HTH.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:86j7f313884o79u7im1o6shjf3sdvjh5gd@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:59 +0100, "dennis@home"

> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>

>

>>That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes. IME

>>its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best way.. they

>>tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a particular

>>way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level they

>>are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

>>

>>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>>

>>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I

>>> only

>>> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>>

>>The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

>>software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just click

>>"allow" anyway.

>

> Oh God, not again. Another wannabe type trying to imply he's some

> world renowned expert but oh, nearly everybody else in this newsgroup

> must be below average in computer knowledge. I see you only as a LIAR.

> You lie, then when caught you desperately try to parse your words and

> try to fake you didn't say what you said. I guess you're too dumb to

> know it, but you just described the actions of UAC.

>

 

 

Jealousy is a sin, Preacher Man

Hallelujah

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:38:55 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:86j7f313884o79u7im1o6shjf3sdvjh5gd@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:59 +0100, "dennis@home"

>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes. IME

>>>its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best way.. they

>>>tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a particular

>>>way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level they

>>>are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

>>>

>>>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>>>

>>>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I

>>>> only

>>>> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>>>

>>>The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

>>>software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just click

>>>"allow" anyway.

>>

>> Oh God, not again. Another wannabe type trying to imply he's some

>> world renowned expert but oh, nearly everybody else in this newsgroup

>> must be below average in computer knowledge. I see you only as a LIAR.

>> You lie, then when caught you desperately try to parse your words and

>> try to fake you didn't say what you said. I guess you're too dumb to

>> know it, but you just described the actions of UAC.

>>

>

>

>Jealousy is a sin, Preacher Man

>Hallelujah

 

So what are you jealous of? My intelligence or maybe it just pisses

clowns like you off how easily I swat away members of the fanboy

crowd.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:7r09f31ormlrj7j4nhrtb62hq67f7bmc52@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:38:55 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:86j7f313884o79u7im1o6shjf3sdvjh5gd@4ax.com...

>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:59 +0100, "dennis@home"

>>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes.

>>>>IME

>>>>its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best way..

>>>>they

>>>>tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a

>>>>particular

>>>>way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level

>>>>they

>>>>are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

>>>>

>>>>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>>>>

>>>>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I

>>>>> only

>>>>> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>>>>

>>>>The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

>>>>software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just

>>>>click

>>>>"allow" anyway.

>>>

>>> Oh God, not again. Another wannabe type trying to imply he's some

>>> world renowned expert but oh, nearly everybody else in this newsgroup

>>> must be below average in computer knowledge. I see you only as a LIAR.

>>> You lie, then when caught you desperately try to parse your words and

>>> try to fake you didn't say what you said. I guess you're too dumb to

>>> know it, but you just described the actions of UAC.

>>>

>>

>>

>>Jealousy is a sin, Preacher Man

>>Hallelujah

>

> So what are you jealous of? My intelligence or maybe it just pisses

> clowns like you off how easily I swat away members of the fanboy

> crowd.

>

 

 

I'm jealous of Bill Gates fortune...not some doofus that post 6000 times in

a ng how smart he is.

For that many post, you are either unemployed or.....unemployable.

Good thing the monkey shares his quarters with you.

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:03:50 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:7r09f31ormlrj7j4nhrtb62hq67f7bmc52@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:38:55 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>>

>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>news:86j7f313884o79u7im1o6shjf3sdvjh5gd@4ax.com...

>>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:59 +0100, "dennis@home"

>>>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes.

>>>>>IME

>>>>>its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best way..

>>>>>they

>>>>>tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a

>>>>>particular

>>>>>way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level

>>>>>they

>>>>>are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I

>>>>>> only

>>>>>> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>>>>>

>>>>>The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

>>>>>software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just

>>>>>click

>>>>>"allow" anyway.

>>>>

>>>> Oh God, not again. Another wannabe type trying to imply he's some

>>>> world renowned expert but oh, nearly everybody else in this newsgroup

>>>> must be below average in computer knowledge. I see you only as a LIAR.

>>>> You lie, then when caught you desperately try to parse your words and

>>>> try to fake you didn't say what you said. I guess you're too dumb to

>>>> know it, but you just described the actions of UAC.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Jealousy is a sin, Preacher Man

>>>Hallelujah

>>

>> So what are you jealous of? My intelligence or maybe it just pisses

>> clowns like you off how easily I swat away members of the fanboy

>> crowd.

>>

>

>

>I'm jealous of Bill Gates fortune...not some doofus that post 6000 times in

>a ng how smart he is.

>For that many post, you are either unemployed or.....unemployable.

>Good thing the monkey shares his quarters with you.

 

Funny, looking at your header, same sequence at the start (read right

to left) as Vista User and Frankie numbnuts. How revealing.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:gl59f39hr07ej7ujmutfeu1m2k1parjofh@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:03:50 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:7r09f31ormlrj7j4nhrtb62hq67f7bmc52@4ax.com...

>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:38:55 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>

>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>news:86j7f313884o79u7im1o6shjf3sdvjh5gd@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:59 +0100, "dennis@home"

>>>>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes.

>>>>>>IME

>>>>>>its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best way..

>>>>>>they

>>>>>>tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a

>>>>>>particular

>>>>>>way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level

>>>>>>they

>>>>>>are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I

>>>>>>> only

>>>>>>> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

>>>>>>software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just

>>>>>>click

>>>>>>"allow" anyway.

>>>>>

>>>>> Oh God, not again. Another wannabe type trying to imply he's some

>>>>> world renowned expert but oh, nearly everybody else in this newsgroup

>>>>> must be below average in computer knowledge. I see you only as a LIAR.

>>>>> You lie, then when caught you desperately try to parse your words and

>>>>> try to fake you didn't say what you said. I guess you're too dumb to

>>>>> know it, but you just described the actions of UAC.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Jealousy is a sin, Preacher Man

>>>>Hallelujah

>>>

>>> So what are you jealous of? My intelligence or maybe it just pisses

>>> clowns like you off how easily I swat away members of the fanboy

>>> crowd.

>>>

>>

>>

>>I'm jealous of Bill Gates fortune...not some doofus that post 6000 times

>>in

>>a ng how smart he is.

>>For that many post, you are either unemployed or.....unemployable.

>>Good thing the monkey shares his quarters with you.

>

> Funny, looking at your header, same sequence at the start (read right

> to left) as Vista User and Frankie numbnuts. How revealing.

>

 

 

Wow.

Ingenious Sherlock.

I guess you have also figured out I am using a computer.

I'm impressed.

Seven wrote:

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:gl59f39hr07ej7ujmutfeu1m2k1parjofh@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:03:50 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>>

>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>> news:7r09f31ormlrj7j4nhrtb62hq67f7bmc52@4ax.com...

>>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:38:55 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:86j7f313884o79u7im1o6shjf3sdvjh5gd@4ax.com...

>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:59 +0100, "dennis@home"

>>>>>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help

>>>>>>> sometimes.

>>>>>>> IME

>>>>>>> its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best

>>>>>>> way..

>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>> tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a

>>>>>>> particular

>>>>>>> way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level

>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>> are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard

>>>>>>>> firewall. I

>>>>>>>> only

>>>>>>>> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have

>>>>>>> one.. the

>>>>>>> software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just

>>>>>>> click

>>>>>>> "allow" anyway.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Oh God, not again. Another wannabe type trying to imply he's some

>>>>>> world renowned expert but oh, nearly everybody else in this newsgroup

>>>>>> must be below average in computer knowledge. I see you only as a

>>>>>> LIAR.

>>>>>> You lie, then when caught you desperately try to parse your words and

>>>>>> try to fake you didn't say what you said. I guess you're too dumb to

>>>>>> know it, but you just described the actions of UAC.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Jealousy is a sin, Preacher Man

>>>>> Hallelujah

>>>>

>>>> So what are you jealous of? My intelligence or maybe it just pisses

>>>> clowns like you off how easily I swat away members of the fanboy

>>>> crowd.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I'm jealous of Bill Gates fortune...not some doofus that post 6000

>>> times in

>>> a ng how smart he is.

>>> For that many post, you are either unemployed or.....unemployable.

>>> Good thing the monkey shares his quarters with you.

>>

>> Funny, looking at your header, same sequence at the start (read right

>> to left) as Vista User and Frankie numbnuts. How revealing.

>>

>

>

> Wow.

> Ingenious Sherlock.

> I guess you have also figured out I am using a computer.

> I'm impressed.

 

 

The Etch a Sketch broke did it?

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:31:27 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:gl59f39hr07ej7ujmutfeu1m2k1parjofh@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:03:50 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>>

>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>news:7r09f31ormlrj7j4nhrtb62hq67f7bmc52@4ax.com...

>>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:38:55 -0400, "Seven" <Seven@linux.sux> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>>news:86j7f313884o79u7im1o6shjf3sdvjh5gd@4ax.com...

>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:59 +0100, "dennis@home"

>>>>>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>That is almost true.. it should say even experts need help sometimes.

>>>>>>>IME

>>>>>>>its not usually an expert that solves most problems in the best way..

>>>>>>>they

>>>>>>>tend to get stuck in a mind set that you have to do things in a

>>>>>>>particular

>>>>>>>way.. you should always try to listen to other people whatever level

>>>>>>>they

>>>>>>>are at as sometimes they have the better idea.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> If so who secured your computer and what tools were used?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I did and I have the Gnome Security Suite and a NAT hard firewall. I

>>>>>>>> only

>>>>>>>> install programs that are in the Ubuntu repositories.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>The best part of that is the firewall.. everyone should have one.. the

>>>>>>>software ones are a waste of time to the average user who will just

>>>>>>>click

>>>>>>>"allow" anyway.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Oh God, not again. Another wannabe type trying to imply he's some

>>>>>> world renowned expert but oh, nearly everybody else in this newsgroup

>>>>>> must be below average in computer knowledge. I see you only as a LIAR.

>>>>>> You lie, then when caught you desperately try to parse your words and

>>>>>> try to fake you didn't say what you said. I guess you're too dumb to

>>>>>> know it, but you just described the actions of UAC.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>Jealousy is a sin, Preacher Man

>>>>>Hallelujah

>>>>

>>>> So what are you jealous of? My intelligence or maybe it just pisses

>>>> clowns like you off how easily I swat away members of the fanboy

>>>> crowd.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>I'm jealous of Bill Gates fortune...not some doofus that post 6000 times

>>>in

>>>a ng how smart he is.

>>>For that many post, you are either unemployed or.....unemployable.

>>>Good thing the monkey shares his quarters with you.

>>

>> Funny, looking at your header, same sequence at the start (read right

>> to left) as Vista User and Frankie numbnuts. How revealing.

>>

>

>

>Wow.

>Ingenious Sherlock.

>I guess you have also figured out I am using a computer.

>I'm impressed.

 

Why would anybody be impressed with some psycho like you that lies his

ass off, and posts under multiple names? Such kid stuff.

Adam Albright wrote:

> So what are you jealous of? My intelligence or maybe it just pisses

> clowns like you off how easily I swat away members of the fanboy

> crowd.

>

You have yet to even reach the "mental midget" level in anything in

life, let alone computers. You're a big mouth blowhard drunken idiot who

also just happens to be a moron. You've got your bald pointy head shoved

so far up you fat as* that the sun always appears to be brown in color

to you.

You're also a braggart and a know liar on top of being just a plain old

as*hole.

You are nothing but a piece of sh*t loser!

Frank

 

Oh, and you are a member in good standing of my kennel...lol!