Does Redmond Control Your Compuer Remotely?

Posted September 13, 200717 yr

You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

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A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

permission. I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

Are they going to see a bunch posts to the vista.general group and get a

laugh out of the content?

If you have bootleg software on your machine, do you think that the

MicroSquish police are going to knock down your door at 2 AM and take you

into custody? Come on now.

Alias, you are safe with your Ubuntu and I suggest you remove your network

connectivity with your Vista machine and just continue to play games on it.

That way they won't be watching you play Doom.

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

>

> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

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Bill Yanaire wrote:

> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

> permission.

Ah! But they're *not* doing it without permission. Read your EULA.

(The linked article, while substantially true, uses a deliberately false

and sensational head line.) Actually, this is *not* being done

_without_ user consent. Just the opposite. Every user of each

operating systems has been given advance notice that such things could

happen, and has consented to it.

Read the Vista EULA. Section 7 makes it clear that this could happen:

========================================================================

7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based services

with the software. It may *change* or cancel them at any time.

a. Consent for Internet-Based Services. The software features

described below and in the Windows Vista Privacy Statement connect to

Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In

some cases, you will *not* receive a separate notice when they connect.

You may switch off these features or not use them. For more information

about these features, see the Windows Vista Privacy Statement at

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=20615. By using these features,

you consent to the transmission of this information. Microsoft does not

use the information to identify or contact you.

========================================================================

(Emphasis mine)

The WinXP EULA also made this clear:

========================================================================

Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains

components that enable and facilitate the use of certain

Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that

MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may

automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or

its components that you are utilizing and may provide

upgrades or supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be

*automatically* downloaded to your COMPUTER.

========================================================================

(Again, emphasis mine)

Do I approve of this practice? Not really. I'd prefer to know

about each and every change as it happens, just on the off chance that,

if a problem occurs, I've better information on which to base my

troubleshooting. But I'm an exception most people simply don't want to

know about technical details of how the OS is working.

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Bill Yanaire wrote:

> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

> permission.

You can say that indeed.

Here is another article describing the same:

(from Adrian Kingsley-Hughes, ZDnet)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?cat=55&tag=nl.e622

I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

So what?

Are you really totally ignorant or just trolling?

> Are they going to see a bunch posts to the vista.general group and get a

> laugh out of the content?

They don't need a backdoor in your PC to see what is published here, do

they?

>

> If you have bootleg software on your machine, do you think that the

> MicroSquish police are going to knock down your door at 2 AM and take you

> into custody? Come on now.

Get better informed or shut it up.

>

> Alias, you are safe with your Ubuntu and I suggest you remove your network

> connectivity with your Vista machine and just continue to play games on it.

> That way they won't be watching you play Doom.

I think you are really the ignorant idiot you pretend to be.

In case you live in under some precious dictator, here is some news for

you: Some people on this planet cherish their freedom and privacy.

So they made laws to protect themselfs from megalomaniacs.

Many countries also have laws concerning electronic burglary.

It is a crime.

Period.

Grow up, get an education, then read Orwell. In your case 5 times.

No regards,

Erwin Moller

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fcbnm2$60f$1@aioe.org...

>> You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

>>

>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

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Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>> permission.

>

> Ah! But they're *not* doing it without permission. Read your EULA.

> (The linked article, while substantially true, uses a deliberately false

> and sensational head line.) Actually, this is *not* being done

> _without_ user consent. Just the opposite. Every user of each

> operating systems has been given advance notice that such things could

> happen, and has consented to it.

>

> Read the Vista EULA. Section 7 makes it clear that this could happen:

>

> ========================================================================

>

> 7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based services

> with the software. It may *change* or cancel them at any time.

> a. Consent for Internet-Based Services. The software features

> described below and in the Windows Vista Privacy Statement connect to

> Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In

> some cases, you will *not* receive a separate notice when they connect.

> You may switch off these features or not use them. For more information

> about these features, see the Windows Vista Privacy Statement at

> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=20615. By using these features,

> you consent to the transmission of this information. Microsoft does not

> use the information to identify or contact you.

>

> ========================================================================

> (Emphasis mine)

>

> The WinXP EULA also made this clear:

>

> ========================================================================

>

> Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains

> components that enable and facilitate the use of certain

> Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that

> MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may

> automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or

> its components that you are utilizing and may provide

> upgrades or supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be

> *automatically* downloaded to your COMPUTER.

>

> ========================================================================

> (Again, emphasis mine)

>

> Do I approve of this practice? Not really. I'd prefer to know

> about each and every change as it happens, just on the off chance that,

> if a problem occurs, I've better information on which to base my

> troubleshooting. But I'm an exception most people simply don't want to

> know about technical details of how the OS is working.

>

When you have a de facto monopoly and the knowledge that most people do

not read the EULA, you can do almost anything you please.

The EULA was written by a team of lawyers to tell you what you *can't*

do with your computer. The Open Source license was written by a human

being to tell you what you *can* do with your computer.

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"Erwin Moller"

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> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>> permission.

>

> You can say that indeed.

>

> Here is another article describing the same:

> (from Adrian Kingsley-Hughes, ZDnet)

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?cat=55&tag=nl.e622

>

> I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

>

> So what?

> Are you really totally ignorant or just trolling?

You are pretty stupid. Microsoft isn't spying on us, I was making a joke.

>

>> Are they going to see a bunch posts to the vista.general group and get a

>> laugh out of the content?

>

> They don't need a backdoor in your PC to see what is published here, do

> they?

>

>>

>> If you have bootleg software on your machine, do you think that the

>> MicroSquish police are going to knock down your door at 2 AM and take you

>> into custody? Come on now.

>

> Get better informed or shut it up.

A response to Alias so STFU.

>

>>

>> Alias, you are safe with your Ubuntu and I suggest you remove your

>> network connectivity with your Vista machine and just continue to play

>> games on it. That way they won't be watching you play Doom.

>

> I think you are really the ignorant idiot you pretend to be.

I may be "pretending" but you are an actual IDIOT.

>

> In case you live in under some precious dictator, here is some news for

> you: Some people on this planet cherish their freedom and privacy.

> So they made laws to protect themselfs from megalomaniacs.

> Many countries also have laws concerning electronic burglary.

> It is a crime.

> Period.

>

> Grow up, get an education, then read Orwell. In your case 5 times.

Grow up, get some manners and stop being an A$$. I think Vista is probably

too complicated for you. I think you would be better off with DOS 6.2

>

> No regards,

> Erwin Moller

Who the hell would want regards from a douche bag like you? Just FYI.

>

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fcbnm2$60f$1@aioe.org...

>>> You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

>>>

>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Bruce Chambers wrote:

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>>> permission.

>>

>> Ah! But they're *not* doing it without permission. Read your EULA.

>> (The linked article, while substantially true, uses a deliberately false

>> and sensational head line.) Actually, this is *not* being done _without_

>> user consent. Just the opposite. Every user of each operating systems

>> has been given advance notice that such things could happen, and has

>> consented to it.

>>

>> Read the Vista EULA. Section 7 makes it clear that this could happen:

>>

>> ========================================================================

>>

>> 7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based services

>> with the software. It may *change* or cancel them at any time.

>> a. Consent for Internet-Based Services. The software features

>> described below and in the Windows Vista Privacy Statement connect to

>> Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In

>> some cases, you will *not* receive a separate notice when they connect.

>> You may switch off these features or not use them. For more information

>> about these features, see the Windows Vista Privacy Statement at

>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=20615. By using these features,

>> you consent to the transmission of this information. Microsoft does not

>> use the information to identify or contact you.

>>

>> ========================================================================

>> (Emphasis mine)

>>

>> The WinXP EULA also made this clear:

>>

>> ========================================================================

>>

>> Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains

>> components that enable and facilitate the use of certain

>> Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that

>> MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may

>> automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or

>> its components that you are utilizing and may provide

>> upgrades or supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be

>> *automatically* downloaded to your COMPUTER.

>>

>> ========================================================================

>> (Again, emphasis mine)

>>

>> Do I approve of this practice? Not really. I'd prefer to know about

>> each and every change as it happens, just on the off chance that, if a

>> problem occurs, I've better information on which to base my

>> troubleshooting. But I'm an exception most people simply don't want to

>> know about technical details of how the OS is working.

>>

>

> When you have a de facto monopoly and the knowledge that most people do

> not read the EULA, you can do almost anything you please.

>

> The EULA was written by a team of lawyers to tell you what you *can't* do

> with your computer. The Open Source license was written by a human being

> to tell you what you *can* do with your computer.

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

WOW Microsoft doesn't have human being lawyers? Amazing!

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Vista User wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fcbpes$anc$1@aioe.org...

>> Bruce Chambers wrote:

>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>>>> permission.

>>>

>>> Ah! But they're *not* doing it without permission. Read your EULA.

>>> (The linked article, while substantially true, uses a deliberately false

>>> and sensational head line.) Actually, this is *not* being done _without_

>>> user consent. Just the opposite. Every user of each operating systems

>>> has been given advance notice that such things could happen, and has

>>> consented to it.

>>>

>>> Read the Vista EULA. Section 7 makes it clear that this could happen:

>>>

>>> ========================================================================

>>>

>>> 7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based services

>>> with the software. It may *change* or cancel them at any time.

>>> a. Consent for Internet-Based Services. The software features

>>> described below and in the Windows Vista Privacy Statement connect to

>>> Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In

>>> some cases, you will *not* receive a separate notice when they connect.

>>> You may switch off these features or not use them. For more information

>>> about these features, see the Windows Vista Privacy Statement at

>>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=20615. By using these features,

>>> you consent to the transmission of this information. Microsoft does not

>>> use the information to identify or contact you.

>>>

>>> ========================================================================

>>> (Emphasis mine)

>>>

>>> The WinXP EULA also made this clear:

>>>

>>> ========================================================================

>>>

>>> Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains

>>> components that enable and facilitate the use of certain

>>> Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that

>>> MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may

>>> automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or

>>> its components that you are utilizing and may provide

>>> upgrades or supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be

>>> *automatically* downloaded to your COMPUTER.

>>>

>>> ========================================================================

>>> (Again, emphasis mine)

>>>

>>> Do I approve of this practice? Not really. I'd prefer to know about

>>> each and every change as it happens, just on the off chance that, if a

>>> problem occurs, I've better information on which to base my

>>> troubleshooting. But I'm an exception most people simply don't want to

>>> know about technical details of how the OS is working.

>>>

>> When you have a de facto monopoly and the knowledge that most people do

>> not read the EULA, you can do almost anything you please.

>>

>> The EULA was written by a team of lawyers to tell you what you *can't* do

>> with your computer. The Open Source license was written by a human being

>> to tell you what you *can* do with your computer.

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

> WOW Microsoft doesn't have human being lawyers? Amazing!

>

You said it I didn't. 'Course, due to the location of your head, you

didn't notice what the real message is but what else is new?

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Bill Yanaire wrote:

> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

> permission. I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

> Are they going to see a bunch posts to the vista.general group and get a

> laugh out of the content?

Redmond doesn't have access to newsgroups?

>

> If you have bootleg software on your machine, do you think that the

> MicroSquish police are going to knock down your door at 2 AM and take you

> into custody? Come on now.

No, they will just shut down Windows, much worse, because in court MS

would probably lose.

>

> Alias, you are safe with your Ubuntu and I suggest you remove your network

> connectivity with your Vista machine and just continue to play games on it.

> That way they won't be watching you play Doom.

I'm not worried about them "watching" me but I do not like them changing

my computer without my knowledge. Do you?

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To email me, remove shoes

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fcbnm2$60f$1@aioe.org...

>> You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

>>

>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Vista User wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fcbpes$anc$1@aioe.org...

>>> Bruce Chambers wrote:

>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>>>>> permission.

>>>>

>>>> Ah! But they're *not* doing it without permission. Read your

>>>> EULA. (The linked article, while substantially true, uses a

>>>> deliberately false and sensational head line.) Actually, this is *not*

>>>> being done _without_ user consent. Just the opposite. Every user of

>>>> each operating systems has been given advance notice that such things

>>>> could happen, and has consented to it.

>>>>

>>>> Read the Vista EULA. Section 7 makes it clear that this could happen:

>>>>

>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>

>>>> 7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based services

>>>> with the software. It may *change* or cancel them at any time.

>>>> a. Consent for Internet-Based Services. The software features

>>>> described below and in the Windows Vista Privacy Statement connect to

>>>> Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In

>>>> some cases, you will *not* receive a separate notice when they connect.

>>>> You may switch off these features or not use them. For more

>>>> information about these features, see the Windows Vista Privacy

>>>> Statement at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=20615. By using

>>>> these features, you consent to the transmission of this information.

>>>> Microsoft does not use the information to identify or contact you.

>>>>

>>>> ========================================================================

>>>> (Emphasis mine)

>>>>

>>>> The WinXP EULA also made this clear:

>>>>

>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>

>>>> Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains

>>>> components that enable and facilitate the use of certain

>>>> Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that

>>>> MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may

>>>> automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or

>>>> its components that you are utilizing and may provide

>>>> upgrades or supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be

>>>> *automatically* downloaded to your COMPUTER.

>>>>

>>>> ========================================================================

>>>> (Again, emphasis mine)

>>>>

>>>> Do I approve of this practice? Not really. I'd prefer to know

>>>> about each and every change as it happens, just on the off chance that,

>>>> if a problem occurs, I've better information on which to base my

>>>> troubleshooting. But I'm an exception most people simply don't want

>>>> to know about technical details of how the OS is working.

>>>>

>>> When you have a de facto monopoly and the knowledge that most people do

>>> not read the EULA, you can do almost anything you please.

>>>

>>> The EULA was written by a team of lawyers to tell you what you *can't*

>>> do with your computer. The Open Source license was written by a human

>>> being to tell you what you *can* do with your computer.

Yea, but you can't really do anything with your OpenSource license so it

doesn't matter! At least with Microsoft products you can get some real work

done!

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>> WOW Microsoft doesn't have human being lawyers? Amazing!

>

> You said it I didn't. 'Course, due to the location of your head, you

> didn't notice what the real message is but what else is new?

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>> permission. I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

>> Are they going to see a bunch posts to the vista.general group and get a

>> laugh out of the content?

>

> Redmond doesn't have access to newsgroups?

>

>>

>> If you have bootleg software on your machine, do you think that the

>> MicroSquish police are going to knock down your door at 2 AM and take you

>> into custody? Come on now.

>

> No, they will just shut down Windows, much worse, because in court MS

> would probably lose.

>

>>

>> Alias, you are safe with your Ubuntu and I suggest you remove your

>> network connectivity with your Vista machine and just continue to play

>> games on it. That way they won't be watching you play Doom.

>

> I'm not worried about them "watching" me but I do not like them changing

> my computer without my knowledge. Do you?

What do you think happens when you run the Windows Updates? Your computer

gets changed. According to the EULA, you do give them permission to "work

behind the scenes" .

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

>

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fcbnm2$60f$1@aioe.org...

>>> You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

>>>

>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:45:16 +0200, Alias <iamalias@shoesgmail.com>

wrote:

>The EULA was written by a team of lawyers to tell you what you *can't*

>do with your computer. The Open Source license was written by a human

>being to tell you what you *can* do with your computer.

Yes, but that's way too deep for the typical fanboy to understand.

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Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fcbqhi$ch9$2@aioe.org...

>> Vista User wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fcbpes$anc$1@aioe.org...

>>>> Bruce Chambers wrote:

>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>>>>>> permission.

>>>>> Ah! But they're *not* doing it without permission. Read your

>>>>> EULA. (The linked article, while substantially true, uses a

>>>>> deliberately false and sensational head line.) Actually, this is *not*

>>>>> being done _without_ user consent. Just the opposite. Every user of

>>>>> each operating systems has been given advance notice that such things

>>>>> could happen, and has consented to it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Read the Vista EULA. Section 7 makes it clear that this could happen:

>>>>>

>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>

>>>>> 7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based services

>>>>> with the software. It may *change* or cancel them at any time.

>>>>> a. Consent for Internet-Based Services. The software features

>>>>> described below and in the Windows Vista Privacy Statement connect to

>>>>> Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In

>>>>> some cases, you will *not* receive a separate notice when they connect.

>>>>> You may switch off these features or not use them. For more

>>>>> information about these features, see the Windows Vista Privacy

>>>>> Statement at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=20615. By using

>>>>> these features, you consent to the transmission of this information.

>>>>> Microsoft does not use the information to identify or contact you.

>>>>>

>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>> (Emphasis mine)

>>>>>

>>>>> The WinXP EULA also made this clear:

>>>>>

>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>

>>>>> Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains

>>>>> components that enable and facilitate the use of certain

>>>>> Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that

>>>>> MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may

>>>>> automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or

>>>>> its components that you are utilizing and may provide

>>>>> upgrades or supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be

>>>>> *automatically* downloaded to your COMPUTER.

>>>>>

>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>> (Again, emphasis mine)

>>>>>

>>>>> Do I approve of this practice? Not really. I'd prefer to know

>>>>> about each and every change as it happens, just on the off chance that,

>>>>> if a problem occurs, I've better information on which to base my

>>>>> troubleshooting. But I'm an exception most people simply don't want

>>>>> to know about technical details of how the OS is working.

>>>>>

>>>> When you have a de facto monopoly and the knowledge that most people do

>>>> not read the EULA, you can do almost anything you please.

>>>>

>>>> The EULA was written by a team of lawyers to tell you what you *can't*

>>>> do with your computer. The Open Source license was written by a human

>>>> being to tell you what you *can* do with your computer.

>

> Yea, but you can't really do anything with your OpenSource license so it

> doesn't matter! At least with Microsoft products you can get some real work

> done!

False. There isn't anything I do with Windows that I can't do with

Ubuntu except play some games. So, you are lying (again). The question

is why do you lie?

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>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>> WOW Microsoft doesn't have human being lawyers? Amazing!

>> You said it I didn't. 'Course, due to the location of your head, you

>> didn't notice what the real message is but what else is new?

>>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>

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Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fcbqm0$ch9$3@aioe.org...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>>> permission. I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

>>> Are they going to see a bunch posts to the vista.general group and get a

>>> laugh out of the content?

>> Redmond doesn't have access to newsgroups?

>>

>>> If you have bootleg software on your machine, do you think that the

>>> MicroSquish police are going to knock down your door at 2 AM and take you

>>> into custody? Come on now.

>> No, they will just shut down Windows, much worse, because in court MS

>> would probably lose.

>>

>>> Alias, you are safe with your Ubuntu and I suggest you remove your

>>> network connectivity with your Vista machine and just continue to play

>>> games on it. That way they won't be watching you play Doom.

>> I'm not worried about them "watching" me but I do not like them changing

>> my computer without my knowledge. Do you?

>

> What do you think happens when you run the Windows Updates? Your computer

> gets changed. According to the EULA, you do give them permission to "work

> behind the scenes" .

I have a choice with Windows Update. For example, I can choose NOT to

download and install WGA/N or any other lame program I don't want. This

is done without your knowledge.

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>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fcbnm2$60f$1@aioe.org...

>>>> You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>

>

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fcbqhi$ch9$2@aioe.org...

>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fcbpes$anc$1@aioe.org...

>>>>> Bruce Chambers wrote:

>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our

>>>>>>> express permission.

>>>>>> Ah! But they're *not* doing it without permission. Read your

>>>>>> EULA. (The linked article, while substantially true, uses a

>>>>>> deliberately false and sensational head line.) Actually, this is

>>>>>> *not* being done _without_ user consent. Just the opposite. Every

>>>>>> user of each operating systems has been given advance notice that

>>>>>> such things could happen, and has consented to it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Read the Vista EULA. Section 7 makes it clear that this could

>>>>>> happen:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based

>>>>>> services with the software. It may *change* or cancel them at any

>>>>>> time.

>>>>>> a. Consent for Internet-Based Services. The software features

>>>>>> described below and in the Windows Vista Privacy Statement connect to

>>>>>> Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In

>>>>>> some cases, you will *not* receive a separate notice when they

>>>>>> connect. You may switch off these features or not use them. For more

>>>>>> information about these features, see the Windows Vista Privacy

>>>>>> Statement at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=20615. By using

>>>>>> these features, you consent to the transmission of this information.

>>>>>> Microsoft does not use the information to identify or contact you.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>> (Emphasis mine)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The WinXP EULA also made this clear:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains

>>>>>> components that enable and facilitate the use of certain

>>>>>> Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that

>>>>>> MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may

>>>>>> automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or

>>>>>> its components that you are utilizing and may provide

>>>>>> upgrades or supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be

>>>>>> *automatically* downloaded to your COMPUTER.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>> (Again, emphasis mine)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Do I approve of this practice? Not really. I'd prefer to know

>>>>>> about each and every change as it happens, just on the off chance

>>>>>> that, if a problem occurs, I've better information on which to base

>>>>>> my troubleshooting. But I'm an exception most people simply don't

>>>>>> want to know about technical details of how the OS is working.

>>>>>>

>>>>> When you have a de facto monopoly and the knowledge that most people

>>>>> do not read the EULA, you can do almost anything you please.

>>>>>

>>>>> The EULA was written by a team of lawyers to tell you what you *can't*

>>>>> do with your computer. The Open Source license was written by a human

>>>>> being to tell you what you *can* do with your computer.

>>

>> Yea, but you can't really do anything with your OpenSource license so it

>> doesn't matter! At least with Microsoft products you can get some real

>> work done!

>

> False. There isn't anything I do with Windows that I can't do with Ubuntu

> except play some games. So, you are lying (again). The question is why do

> you lie?

>

For the same reason you do :-)

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

>

>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>> WOW Microsoft doesn't have human being lawyers? Amazing!

>>> You said it I didn't. 'Course, due to the location of your head, you

>>> didn't notice what the real message is but what else is new?

>>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fcbqm0$ch9$3@aioe.org...

>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>>>> permission. I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so

>>>> what? Are they going to see a bunch posts to the vista.general group

>>>> and get a laugh out of the content?

>>> Redmond doesn't have access to newsgroups?

>>>

>>>> If you have bootleg software on your machine, do you think that the

>>>> MicroSquish police are going to knock down your door at 2 AM and take

>>>> you into custody? Come on now.

>>> No, they will just shut down Windows, much worse, because in court MS

>>> would probably lose.

>>>

>>>> Alias, you are safe with your Ubuntu and I suggest you remove your

>>>> network connectivity with your Vista machine and just continue to play

>>>> games on it. That way they won't be watching you play Doom.

>>> I'm not worried about them "watching" me but I do not like them changing

>>> my computer without my knowledge. Do you?

>>

>> What do you think happens when you run the Windows Updates? Your

>> computer gets changed. According to the EULA, you do give them

>> permission to "work behind the scenes" .

>

> I have a choice with Windows Update. For example, I can choose NOT to

> download and install WGA/N or any other lame program I don't want. This is

> done without your knowledge.

>

If you agreed to the EULA (which you did by continuing the install) then you

agree to the "behind the scenes" update. I don't like it either. Should

Microsoft do it? No. But we "signed" up for it! Maybe if this practice is

brought out into the public and made a big deal, Microsoft might back down

on their shady practices.

In about 6 years I'll retire and if I don't need to use their products maybe

I'll switch over to something else. By that time, Ubuntu might start

looking good. Especially if I don't get free software from Microsoft

anymore :-)

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

>

>>

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fcbnm2$60f$1@aioe.org...

>>>>> You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>> --

>>>>> Alias

>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

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Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fcbsjm$jgi$1@aioe.org...

>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fcbqhi$ch9$2@aioe.org...

>>>> Vista User wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fcbpes$anc$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>> Bruce Chambers wrote:

>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our

>>>>>>>> express permission.

>>>>>>> Ah! But they're *not* doing it without permission. Read your

>>>>>>> EULA. (The linked article, while substantially true, uses a

>>>>>>> deliberately false and sensational head line.) Actually, this is

>>>>>>> *not* being done _without_ user consent. Just the opposite. Every

>>>>>>> user of each operating systems has been given advance notice that

>>>>>>> such things could happen, and has consented to it.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Read the Vista EULA. Section 7 makes it clear that this could

>>>>>>> happen:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based

>>>>>>> services with the software. It may *change* or cancel them at any

>>>>>>> time.

>>>>>>> a. Consent for Internet-Based Services. The software features

>>>>>>> described below and in the Windows Vista Privacy Statement connect to

>>>>>>> Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In

>>>>>>> some cases, you will *not* receive a separate notice when they

>>>>>>> connect. You may switch off these features or not use them. For more

>>>>>>> information about these features, see the Windows Vista Privacy

>>>>>>> Statement at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=20615. By using

>>>>>>> these features, you consent to the transmission of this information.

>>>>>>> Microsoft does not use the information to identify or contact you.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>>> (Emphasis mine)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The WinXP EULA also made this clear:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains

>>>>>>> components that enable and facilitate the use of certain

>>>>>>> Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that

>>>>>>> MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may

>>>>>>> automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or

>>>>>>> its components that you are utilizing and may provide

>>>>>>> upgrades or supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be

>>>>>>> *automatically* downloaded to your COMPUTER.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ========================================================================

>>>>>>> (Again, emphasis mine)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Do I approve of this practice? Not really. I'd prefer to know

>>>>>>> about each and every change as it happens, just on the off chance

>>>>>>> that, if a problem occurs, I've better information on which to base

>>>>>>> my troubleshooting. But I'm an exception most people simply don't

>>>>>>> want to know about technical details of how the OS is working.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> When you have a de facto monopoly and the knowledge that most people

>>>>>> do not read the EULA, you can do almost anything you please.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The EULA was written by a team of lawyers to tell you what you *can't*

>>>>>> do with your computer. The Open Source license was written by a human

>>>>>> being to tell you what you *can* do with your computer.

>>> Yea, but you can't really do anything with your OpenSource license so it

>>> doesn't matter! At least with Microsoft products you can get some real

>>> work done!

>> False. There isn't anything I do with Windows that I can't do with Ubuntu

>> except play some games. So, you are lying (again). The question is why do

>> you lie?

>>

> For the same reason you do :-)

Another lie, tsk, tsk.

--

Alias

To email me, remove shoes

>

>> --

>> Alias

>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>>>> WOW Microsoft doesn't have human being lawyers? Amazing!

>>>> You said it I didn't. 'Course, due to the location of your head, you

>>>> didn't notice what the real message is but what else is new?

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Alias

>>>> To email me, remove shoes

>

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Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>> permission.

>

> Ah! But they're *not* doing it without permission. Read your EULA.

> (The linked article, while substantially true, uses a deliberately false

> and sensational head line.) Actually, this is *not* being done

> _without_ user consent. Just the opposite. Every user of each

> operating systems has been given advance notice that such things could

> happen, and has consented to it.

>

> Read the Vista EULA. Section 7 makes it clear that this could happen:

>

> ========================================================================

>

> 7. INTERNET-BASED SERVICES. Microsoft provides Internet-based services

> with the software. It may *change* or cancel them at any time.

> a. Consent for Internet-Based Services. The software features

> described below and in the Windows Vista Privacy Statement connect to

> Microsoft or service provider computer systems over the Internet. In

> some cases, you will *not* receive a separate notice when they connect.

> You may switch off these features or not use them.

How doe I switch off this 'feature' or not use it?!?

> For more information

> about these features, see the Windows Vista Privacy Statement at

> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=20615. By using these features,

> you consent to the transmission of this information. Microsoft does not

> use the information to identify or contact you.

>

> ========================================================================

> (Emphasis mine)

>

> The WinXP EULA also made this clear:

>

> ========================================================================

>

> Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains

> components that enable and facilitate the use of certain

> Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree that

> MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may

> automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or

> its components that you are utilizing and may provide

> upgrades or supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be

> *automatically* downloaded to your COMPUTER.

>

> ========================================================================

> (Again, emphasis mine)

>

> Do I approve of this practice? Not really. I'd prefer to know

> about each and every change as it happens, just on the off chance that,

> if a problem occurs, I've better information on which to base my

> troubleshooting. But I'm an exception most people simply don't want to

> know about technical details of how the OS is working.

>

--

Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>> permission. I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

>> Are they going to see a bunch posts to the vista.general group and get a

>> laugh out of the content?

>

> Redmond doesn't have access to newsgroups?

>

>>

>> If you have bootleg software on your machine, do you think that the

>> MicroSquish police are going to knock down your door at 2 AM and take you

>> into custody? Come on now.

>

> No, they will just shut down Windows, much worse, because in court MS

> would probably lose.

>

>>

>> Alias, you are safe with your Ubuntu and I suggest you remove your

>> network connectivity with your Vista machine and just continue to play

>> games on it. That way they won't be watching you play Doom.

>

> I'm not worried about them "watching" me but I do not like them changing

> my computer without my knowledge. Do you?

>

> --

> Alias

> To email me, remove shoes

>

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fcbnm2$60f$1@aioe.org...

>>> You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

>>>

>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

>>> --

>>> Alias

>>> To email me, remove shoes

>>

>

Alias, what's to stop any Linux distro from doing the same thing?

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How Windows Update Keeps Itself Up-to-Date

http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2007/09/13/how-windows-update-keeps-itself-up-to-date.aspx

"Erwin Moller"

<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_much@spamyourself.com> wrote in

message news:46e9688a$0$227$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...

| Bill Yanaire wrote:

| > A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

| > permission.

|

| You can say that indeed.

|

| Here is another article describing the same:

| (from Adrian Kingsley-Hughes, ZDnet)

| http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?cat=55&tag=nl.e622

|

| I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

|

| So what?

| Are you really totally ignorant or just trolling?

|

| > Are they going to see a bunch posts to the vista.general group and get a

| > laugh out of the content?

|

| They don't need a backdoor in your PC to see what is published here, do

| they?

|

| >

| > If you have bootleg software on your machine, do you think that the

| > MicroSquish police are going to knock down your door at 2 AM and take

you

| > into custody? Come on now.

|

| Get better informed or shut it up.

|

| >

| > Alias, you are safe with your Ubuntu and I suggest you remove your

network

| > connectivity with your Vista machine and just continue to play games on

it.

| > That way they won't be watching you play Doom.

|

| I think you are really the ignorant idiot you pretend to be.

|

| In case you live in under some precious dictator, here is some news for

| you: Some people on this planet cherish their freedom and privacy.

| So they made laws to protect themselfs from megalomaniacs.

| Many countries also have laws concerning electronic burglary.

| It is a crime.

| Period.

|

| Grow up, get an education, then read Orwell. In your case 5 times.

|

| No regards,

| Erwin Moller

|

| >

| > "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message

| > news:fcbnm2$60f$1@aioe.org...

| >> You can bet your sweet a$$ they do:

| >>

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036058&intsrc=hm_list

| >> --

| >> Alias

| >> To email me, remove shoes

| >

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Michael Solomon wrote:

>

>>

> Alias, what's to stop any Linux distro from doing the same thing?

>

Actually, Ubuntu's ability and practice of doing just that are one of

the "advantages" Alias hypocritically boasts about in his many

pro-Ubuntu proselytizing posts.

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Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:

> How Windows Update Keeps Itself Up-to-Date

> http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2007/09/13/how-windows-update-keeps-itself-up-to-date.aspx

>

Hi Tom,

I read it.

I reread it.

Then I found a bunch of lies and inconsistencies.

Of course M$ has a 'perfectly good' explanation why they do it.

But if you read it well, you can see it is bull.

I think this is the central part in their line of thought:

<quote>

One question we have been asked is why do we update the client code for

Windows Update automatically if the customer did not opt into

automatically installing updates without further notice? The answer is

simple: any user who chooses to use Windows Update either expected

updates to be installed or to at least be notified that updates were

available. Had we failed to update the service automatically, users

would not have been able to successfully check for updates and, in turn,

users would not have had updates installed automatically or received

expected notifications. That result would not only fail to meet

customer expectations but even worse, that result would lead users to

believe that they were secure even though there was no installation

and/or notification of upgrades. To avoid creating such a false

impression, the Windows Update client is configured to automatically

check for updates anytime a system uses the WU service, independent of

the selected settings for handling updates (for example, “check for

updates but let me choose whether to download or install them”). This

has been the case since we introduced the automatic update feature in

Windows XP. In fact, WU has auto-updated itself many times in the past.

</quote>

That is just not true.

In fact they are claiming that it is impossible for W$ to offer their

updates on older WU software.

which of course doesn't make sense.

They could easily have choosen for a model where the WU tells the client

it should first update itself before continuing the real update.

If fact I have seen that scheme many times before in other softwarepackages.

And this part is really completely hilarious:

"That result would not only fail to meet customer expectations but even

worse, that result would lead users to believe that they were secure

even though there was no installation and/or notification of upgrades."

So phoning home behind the users back is meeting customers expectations

BETTER than just staying quit, as ASKED by the user that disabled WU?

And WHAT is the point of updating WU itself if it is disabled in the

first place?

I hope you don't fall for that dribble. It is logical nonsense, and

clearly false propaganda, aimed at simpletons like Bill Yanaire.

Dont believe everything M$ want you to believe.

Their record has not been excactly clean in the past, and so have been

their lies.

I have absolutely no problems with people using MS software, I do it

myself. But PLEASE don't expect MS users to believe in their good

character and best intents, they have none.

Regards,

Erwin Moller

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Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Michael Solomon wrote:

>>

>>>

>> Alias, what's to stop any Linux distro from doing the same thing?

>>

>

> Actually, Ubuntu's ability and practice of doing just that are one

> of the "advantages" Alias hypocritically boasts about in his many

> pro-Ubuntu proselytizing posts.

>

Michael and Bruce, you don't see what the problem is.

The problem with M$ is simply they are installing stuff on your computer

and you have no CLUE what it is or what is does.

If you REALLY wanted to know you should try to reverse engineer the

binaries, which are probably hopelessly obfuscated.

With Ubuntu you can ALWAYS look at the sourcecode, written in clear C

most of the time.

The bottomline is you can control WHAT is going on in the new software.

In windows you can never.

That is a very big diff.

Regards,

Erwin

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"Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

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>A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>permission. I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

this is the exact same don't-know-don't-care mentality that brought us Bush,

Cheney, Rumsfield, the Patriot Act, etc. etc.

the gov't loves people like you.

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john wrote:

> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

> news:eQ03KKi9HHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> A little scary that MicroSquish is updating files without our express

>> permission. I don't think they are spying on us and if they are so what?

>

> this is the exact same don't-know-don't-care mentality that brought us Bush,

> Cheney, Rumsfield, the Patriot Act, etc. etc.

> the gov't loves people like you.

>

Scary eh?

What is even worse, in the other thread this Bill claims to retire in 6

years. One expects a little more wisdom on that age...

Seriously, I knew more of the world when I was 14 (by then I read Animal

Farm which is a good kickstart for the young brain of course.).

Ah well, I bet Bill goes to church every sunday and is a good boy (meeeh).

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