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December 25, 200717 yr

Re: Registry Cleaner

That's DSH, kind sir.

CCleaner works for me and provides performance increases.

I also regularly use and recommend NTREGOPT.EXE.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

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> yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,

> regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase

> through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as

> "CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused

> temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and

> without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any

> increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame

> regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is

> negligible.

>

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> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

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>> There you have it.

>>

>> Even this MVP uses it.

>>

>> So do I.

>>

>> It's a very useful tool.

>>

>> DSH

>>

>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:AC5088B1-41F1-477E-BCC5-F445E35AD2C5@microsoft.com...

>>

>>>I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly

>>>myself...

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December 25, 200717 yr

Re: Registry Cleaner

I agree...

One needs to be cautious and careful.

DSH

"Poprivet`" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message

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> Yeah, I can't speak for Vista, but ccleaner is pretty good with all the

> previous versions of windows. I'm pretty curious about Vista and the "run

> & switch" type thing you mentioned, but not curious enough to buy it since

> it seems to give me nothing of any advantage over what I currently have

> and which is very satisfactory.

> IMO whenever one comes across some purist who says to "never" use a

> certain application when it's been around for as long as ccleaner (and

> several others) has and with its good history, they can pretty much be

> ignored.

> I would caution however that, as with ANY application that plays with

> the registry or any system files or functions, one should always RTFM and

> be certain their data is backed up. At the very least, with XP, do a

> System State backup first; it's quick and easy to Restore, and more

> reliable then Restore Points. And every copy of XP is capable of it.

>

> HTH

>

> Pop`

>

> John Barnett MVP <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>> I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I

>> regularly myself. While I agree with Bruce Chambers

>> sentiments regarding CCleaner checking what CCleaner is

>> actually removing, in the few years I've been using

>> CCleaner I can't say that I've actually been in a

>> position were CCleaner has located a large amount of

>> 'problems' that needed fixing, even on brand new

>> machine. I purchased a new machine two weeks ago,

>> installed and run CCleaner and it only found 2 problems.

>> Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how,

>> after using a registry cleaner one automatically thinks,

>> WoW that certainly improved things when, in reality it

>> has done nothing of the sort. I certainly haven't seen

>> any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable,

>> anyway.

>> One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at

>> any rate is that when CCleaner is doing general

>> housekeeping, i.e., removing temporary internet files,

>> history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image of Windows

>> Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens

>> to be a fluke I am beginning to ask myself who I actually

>> cleaning what CCleaner or Vista Disk Cleanup?

>> --

>>

>> "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in

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>>> No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used

>>> Ccleaner and have only found the clearing of temp files

>>> to be beneficial. If you've done more extensive testing,

>>> good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who made

>>> the claim in the first place! And I still find it

>>> interesting you're unwilling to back it up. Belief and knowledge are two

>>> different things...

>>>

>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in

>>> message news:ePC1jw7HIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Right!

>>>>

>>>> He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

>>>>

>>>> DSH

>>>>

>>>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ."

>>>> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in

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>>>>

>>>>> he is a sly one and

>>>>> was just baiting you.

>>>>>

>>>>> if he had such an open

>>>>> mind, he could download

>>>>> the program and test it

>>>>> himself.

>>>>> --

>>>>>

>>>>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , .

>>>>> .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸.

>>>>>> <)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..

>>>>>> ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

>>>>>

>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in

>>>>> message news:OW29SL1HIHA.1316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>>> I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me

>>>>>> or not. I'm not trying to sell anything.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, it's not worth my time and effort to post

>>>>>> elaborate results of the tests

>>>>>> I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of

>>>>>> worthless back and forth

>>>>>> caterwauling.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I can use that time far better in other useful

>>>>>> pursuits such as managing my

>>>>>> stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a

>>>>>> historical post or email or

>>>>>> doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily

>>>>>> in that order. <g> I ran controlled tests on nine different machines

>>>>>> with various configurations -- using the Registry

>>>>>> Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer

>>>>>> hangs and pauses, faster

>>>>>> loading of applications, faster executions of

>>>>>> commands and faster startups

>>>>>> and shutdowns.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not

>>>>>> Have Been Removed -- No

>>>>>> FUD.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners

>>>>>> -- so I can't speak to

>>>>>> them.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make

>>>>>> changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot

>>>>>> empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, Run Your Own Tests.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Bonne Chance!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> DSH

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>

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December 25, 200717 yr

Re: Registry Cleaner

Poprivet` wrote:

> Bruce Chambers <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

> ...

>> CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I

>> use

>> it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused

>> temporary files from the hard drive.

>

> That sounds a tad suspicious when that ability is

> available natively . But, you're entitled to your

> opinion, applicability and reality aside.

>

> Pop`

>

"Suspicious?" How so? I could understand if you'd said "redundant" or

"unnecessary."

The ability to remove temporary files is available natively, as you

say, but it's a rather tedious process, as the WinXP disk cleaning

routine cleans those files _only_ from the profile of the user running

the cleanup utility. If there's only ever one user on the computer,

this is fine. But, for computers with by multiple users, one must

either log into each individual account and run the disk cleanup, or one

must manually clean all of the files out of all of the other user

profiles. CCleaner allows one user (with administrative privileges, of

course) to clean the temp files out of all - or a few targeted -

profiles at once. It's a handy time-saver, primarily.

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December 25, 200717 yr

Re: Registry Cleaner

Poprivet` wrote:

> Because it comes from an MVP doesn't make it that much

> better than any other thughtful poster on this group.

> At least two other MVPs will tell you not to use it

> under any circumstances for registry work. Those same

> two instead suggest editing the registry manually;

> completely folly for a lot more people than using a

> cleaner ever screwed up.

While it's true that there is some risk in editing the registry

manually, there is far less chance of a single manual registry change

rendering the computer unbootable, than there is when allowing a poorly

understood software utility to make global changes. And we always

advise a backup be made first.

> All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests

> in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating

> system. That's good, but it doesn't mean that their

> expertise is in the area of any particular thread, nor

> that they are going to have any more common sense than

> the next guy. All it says is they passed the test to

> get the title. A few even use the title when it's not

> true, but I don't see a lot of that on this particular

> group.

No, that's completely wrong. There's no test (other than "the test of

time") to become an MVP. The MVP status is awarded for one's having

given frequent and consistently accurate technical advice for at least

the past year.

> So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could

> also be no better than anyone else's responses. As

> with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning

> who the better players are.

It is true that even MVPs can make mistakes, have opinions, etc. So

it's worthwhile, as always, to weigh the various options before choosing

a course of action.

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December 25, 200717 yr

Re: Registry Cleaner

Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding.

The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry

Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it.

I certainly do.

DSH

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December 25, 200717 yr

Re: Registry Cleaner

If you correctly think of how the registry works, its purpose etc. you will

absolutely KNOW that

cleaning it (deleting orphan entries etc.) will result in absolutely no

increase in performance whatsoever.

Ask any intelligent knowledgeable programmer.

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

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> That's DSH, kind sir.

>

> CCleaner works for me and provides performance increases.

>

> I also regularly use and recommend NTREGOPT.EXE.

>

> DSH

>

> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>

> "John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

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>

>> yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,

>> regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase

>> through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as

>> "CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused

>> temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and

>> without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any

>> increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame

>> regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is

>> negligible.

>>

>> --

>> John Barnett MVP

>> Associate Expert

>> Windows - Shell/User

>>

>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org

>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

>>

>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any

>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,

>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable

>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out

>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in

>> this mail/post..

>>

>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

>> news:u7Z7MEnRIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>>> There you have it.

>>>

>>> Even this MVP uses it.

>>>

>>> So do I.

>>>

>>> It's a very useful tool.

>>>

>>> DSH

>>>

>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

>>> news:AC5088B1-41F1-477E-BCC5-F445E35AD2C5@microsoft.com...

>>>

>>>>I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly

>>>>myself...

>

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December 25, 200717 yr

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D. Spencer Hines wrote:

> Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding.

>

No, I know the user base quite well, actually.

> The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry

> Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it.

>

But will the average home consumer know what to check for? Of course

not! That's why they shouldn't use a registry "cleaner."

> I certainly do.

>

That has no bearing on others, though, does it? And you've still not

offered any evidence, whatsoever, that the use of a registry "cleaner"

does anything at all useful, even after others have asked you to do so.

Why is that?

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December 25, 200717 yr

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And of course you KNOW each and every one?

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message

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> Chambers seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding.

>

> The smart user of CCleaner makes sure he checks each and every Registry

> Entry Deletion BEFORE deleting it.

>

> I certainly do.

>

> DSH

>

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December 25, 200717 yr

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The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the

Registry.

DSH

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December 25, 200717 yr

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D. Spencer Hines wrote:

> The Proof Is In The Pudding...

>

> Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

>

> I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

>

> Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the

> Registry.

>

Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.

CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner, just

keep it away from the Registry, is all.

Cheers,

Cliff

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'hilarious', it usually isn't?

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December 25, 200717 yr

Re: Registry Cleaner

Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

"Enkidu" <enkidu.com@com.cliffp.com> wrote in message

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> D. Spencer Hines wrote:

>> The Proof Is In The Pudding...

>>

>> Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

>>

>> I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

>>

>> Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the

>> Registry.

>>

> Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.

> CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner, just keep

> it away from the Registry, is all.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Cliff

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December 26, 200717 yr

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Apologies for getting your initial wrong' I'm beginning to think my keyboard

has a will of its own:-)

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